Start of trade talk....
3 games into the season and it appears Tyrus Thomas is the odd-man out. Not only is he not getting an extenstion, which makes him more tradeable, but he also is losing playing time to Taj Gibson. After watching these games it seems that the Bulls could make some noise this season if they had a scorer in the low post to go to when the office is stagnant.
Carlos Boozer is doing really well this season thus far; but it doesn't seem like the Jazz will be major contenders once the playoff race and maybe the trade deadline rolls around. This situation for trading Boozer is more complicated though because this is the last year of his contract so the Jazz wouldn't want to trade him for solely expiring contracts. And; I don't see them trading for or wanting Hinrich.
I'm not going to suggest trade ideas becuase anything could happen and Boozer may not even be an option; however, does anyone else this tyrus might get traded before the trade deadline?
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post, that he isn’t getting extension
by K_yle33 on Nov 2, 2009 4:55 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
We like to let our players walk in Chicago.
Cap space is an asset!
Things could be worse. We could have kept Boylan.
by stupidgenius on Nov 2, 2009 6:20 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Alright how about this
Share your trade
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yzudtzn
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by piccolomair on Nov 2, 2009 7:19 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
oh i should explain the trade
we get rid of thomas and salmons (salmons really?!) for boozer and kyle korver, what this does is gamble the season (arent we already) we either go big or die hard (much harder than we are currently) defensively we go down alot (so much for the new defensive philosophy) and offensively we got up big (big as in boozer) while adding much needed 3 pt shooting. We dont lose any money for free agency next year, nor does utah (yey money!!), plus utah gets to play tyrus off the bench while having okur and milsap start which seems likes its inevitable while adding more defense with thomas (who under ak-47s wing can be pretty good eventually) while the bulls really dont better their chance to win much especially if boozer goes down (more taj, i guess thats inevitable too) and with salmons gone i guess we can see more kirk also (also inevitable, and i dont mind so much, although i feel sorry for the rest of blogabull), but if boozer is healthy, i think it makes the game easier for deng (“im not longer the 1st option…YES!!!”) rose (i can pass it to someone who can score without my help") and noah. Neither teams is a contender, but utah probably values winning more than anything and would like to get something for boozer, since its getting likely boozer walks this year…Jerome james is just filler no one cares about…
Anyway i like this trade quite a bit, and see it in the realm of possibility, the organization also saves some more money on this (yey!! MONEY!!!)
What do you guys think (oh these parentheses are here for no reason, but since i filled my comments with these i thought id with one too, pretty cool huh?)
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Nov 2, 2009 7:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Fantastic trade
I hate to see Tyrus and really Salmons go (I think John’s just off to a poor start and the Heat game saw him getting his mojo back if just a bit; but they aren’t in the long term plans anyway and as you said, Korver, while a far cry from Salmons, is a legit 3 pt shooter, and well that’s more important to our need than having two should be 3’s playing 2/3 together….and I think Korver’s touch will help Rose….
Boozer obviously is the prize, but he’s so oft hurt and poor defensively that he’s a risk, especially when I still have gobs of faith in Tyrus and think it’s ridiculous that we’re not playing him…..but then again I thought it was ridiculous that we iced BG out a few years ago, and well, think it’s just another stupid Bulls move, we did a terrible job in the development cards with Tyrus…..really stupid….
But I’m all for it.
A Rose-Hinrich-Deng-Boozer-Noah is a solid lineup all around with Korver as a great major minute 6th man sub….now we just need Rose to get healthy fast.
Thurston Moore is a rock god
by majoyenrac on Nov 3, 2009 7:53 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The whole point with the salmons part of the trade
Whether or not salmons is actually good is little to the point, he is far better than kyle korver, however the concept is korver is a 3pt specialist, much more than pargo (and taller too!!) and more to the point is that his contract expires this year unlike salmons (where we are all left to play the guessing game if whether his money comes off the books or not). Rose and hinrich end up starting, pargo ends up actually running the point for a few stints (maybe in that role he will think to pass more…or maybe he will just chuck even more) but more importantly so long as boozer is on the floor we have a legitimate offense.
So starters look like this:
Rose
Hinrich
Deng
Boozer
Noah
with that lineup you basically have rose control the offense with noah still coming out for his screens, but because of boozer both bigs wont be able to accurately step out. rose can use the screen and penetrate, run the screen and roll with noah, or just lob it to boozer for some post play (i wonder what that actually looks like, been awhile since ive seen it). Guys like deng and hinrich, who are better at striking the defense when the defense isnt expecting it get to apply some nice per. game, with deng having more looks from midrange (seems to be working for him this year) and attacking the basket catching the defense off guard, while hinrich works the other half of the floor as an extra pg and 3 pt shooter. The per spacing should be pretty open with hinrich having the entire area outside of 3pt land, and rose and deng just within it, while defenses will have to really keep guys moving on the inside keeping rose from penetration, while also keeping boozer from establishing position and keeping an eye on deng and noah.
Bench
Pargo
Korver
James Johnson
Taj
Miller
not that this lineup would actually get alot of minutes, you would think there would be a starter sprinkled here and there, but thats what i like, replacing taj with noah or boozer actually makes that a strong rebounding lineup with some nice per. shooting, albeit not dominating but for 10 min stretches it could at least…survive? Likewise, putting hinrich at point, or deng at the sf would just add some control to a bench lineup that ultimately isnt bad (as far as bench lineups go). that lineup up there at least has length to it, so while it may not score much, it should be alright defensively (in terms of not giving up TOO many points) although again, that lineup really shouldnt be sent out without a starter sprinkled somewhere along it.
Ultimately the trade doesnt make the bulls that much better, but if boozer stats healthy, those high 40+ wins actually become more likely, plus the bulls can at least show off how they look with an actual post threat big, and derrick rose gets to be put into a situation where he has help offensively and still needs facilitate (dominate) it…while making reinsdorf happy since we ultimately save money and negotiations respectively with salmons and tyrus gone….
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Nov 3, 2009 3:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i think this is a good idea
but I wonder how the Bulls would do without Salmons penetrating. Still, the Bulls could use the 3pt shooting and post scoring. The onus would be really on Rose to create, but that may be a good thing. I think this is a good idea. That means it won’t happen.
by Basketball Smurf on Nov 3, 2009 4:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i think it helps the jazz alot more
than us, or at least improves them more than it improves us, and i dont think boozer would stay healthy, but all in all the experience that rose would get playing next to a low post player would help in the long run. Plus even vinny would get some practice on coaching since having a legit low post player changes the offensive style into not just ‘free up shooters and drive and penetrate’
I also would want someone to try the 2pg system or rather, create one…( i wrote about it above…)
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Nov 3, 2009 5:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
oh ill add the utah side of this too
Starters
Williams
Salmons
Ak
Milsap
Okur
The second best pg gets a few new toys to play with. Starter wise the jazz get an offensive upgrade at the sg position. I believe salmons is a better player than he has showed in the first two games (and maybe even the third) and his defense isnt gamestopper level but its adequate. Plus he wont be a number one option or anything on the jazz. Okur can handle most of the spot up outside shooting, while wililams can handle midrange jumpers and destroying defenses, and milsap can athletically dominate the inside, salmons has better offensive production than brewer and this allows utah to use for those few iso moments that may come, and ultimately they still keep brewer.
Bench
Price
Brewer
harpring/miles
Tyrus
koufas
Another one of those “sprinkle a starter somewhere” bench but its effective and balanced (compared to the bulls)
Ultimately THe jazz (despite sloan) get younger, and actually a bit better. They get something for boozer, and the something they get is a project that they can develop better than any other team. Ak can teach tyrus how to use his length and play defense properly (tyger would love that, except tyrus wouldnt be a bull) while tyrus can learn a thing from milsap on how to play on the inside while being coupled with a pg who knows how to use him (because williams is better than rose at least right now, and if nothing else is wiser). The jazz also get an offensive weopen that can be used at the 2 or 3 which helps them out alot, and brewer who is still young can come off the bench which i think helps him out in terms of learning and resting, without hurting the team. The jazz i think become much better, but sadly not good enough to contend this year. It puts them in a good position for next year, especially if they are able to develop tyrus, they have a damned good lineup for the next five years or so….
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Nov 3, 2009 3:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
this is
a really good trade idea. Also, by trading salmons it will free up the SG position anyways in hopes to sign joe johnson or Wade. Hinrich has been playing better than salmons this year anyways.
by K_yle33 on Nov 3, 2009 4:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yea trading salmons
works on many levels, and a healthy boozer would actually more than makeup for whatever offense we lose from salmons, if vdn was a real coach or in some form a genius and innovator, i would want him to create a two point guard offense system, since both rose and hinrich are combo guards with almost completely opposite games coupled with a front court in the same regards and deng….
It probably sounds confusing but it would be an offense that allowed boozer and hinrich to work together, and rose and noah to work together while deng was the connector between the two offensive sets…hmmm it probably still sounds confusing…its more or less you have rose play point, he has the ability to penetrate and kick it out, noah sets the screens for him and it allows a screen and roll action or dribble drive penetration, with rose healthy this alone is a good offense. We also have a kik out to kirk, if he is open its a shot, if not then hinrich starts an offense with boozer as a post up and screen option, playing a two man game there. Deng plays between the two offenses as an extra man to kik it out to for a midrange shot, rebounder, or slasher….its an idea ive been juggling but im no coach and have no idea how to actually haave it execute…itd be awesome if the bulls make the trade get someone to create a unique system like that…
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Nov 3, 2009 4:49 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
That sounds like a pretty kickass offense.
Two players that are creative (Rose and Noah), and two system type players (Hinrich and Boozer). My only problem with it would be that Deng, while this would play to his strengths (rebounding, cutting, midranger jumpers), he’s more of a system player too.
Things could be worse. We could have kept Boylan.
by stupidgenius on Nov 3, 2009 6:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
no matter how creative
you need to have a system of some sort or else defenses will make you pay, ultimately the offense system is designed to be two offenses working simulataneously, sort of like an offense if rose noah and deng were the only starters in, or hinrich boozer and deng were the only starters in. with the “weak side” of both offenses being the center of the court…but since the two offfenses would collide there it becomes more of a meshing point so not really a weak side. Deng is actually a key to this sort of offense because deng i think (and todays game showed it) is much better without the ball, cutting without the ball, getting rebounds and put backs, or catch and shoot situations, while also some mild posting up…deng would be the guy who would intertwine the offenses and essentially be an x factor. It would be well worth his 70+ million dollars.
Im thinking about calling this offense the Bulls Horns offense (horns have points, and a bull has 2 horns, or 2 points…point guards that is) again im not a coach or anyone that has any significant knowledge, but i guess this could be a nice project for me to try to develop something like this…man i really hope vinny reads blogabull…
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Nov 3, 2009 10:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If Vinny read blogabull
Then he would cry himself to sleep every night with all the bashing.
Things could be worse. We could have kept Boylan.
by stupidgenius on Nov 4, 2009 5:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Also
I see how Deng would work like that, and I just don’t think that he could pull something like that off unless he had good coaching (which isn’t VDN).
Things could be worse. We could have kept Boylan.
by stupidgenius on Nov 4, 2009 5:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i say we pick up reggie miller off wagers. He will at least give us some three point help
by LoveForTheGame on Nov 2, 2009 8:06 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Maybe 3 years ago, you think Reggie’s still in even decent game shape now tho?
by C Smoove on Nov 2, 2009 8:13 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
My vote is Tyrus for Gay
IF we could make that happen somehow I would be thrilled.
If we aren't careful, the leanness we now feel will be the starvation of those we serve.
by Chi 'Till I Die on Nov 2, 2009 8:36 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
i dunno if we can pull that off
Unless your trading with the U.S. Track team for Tyson Gay
by Gen on Nov 2, 2009 8:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
give the grizz some cash
and they’ll do the deal. Gay and Mayo are already fighting according to some reports.
by LoveForTheGame on Nov 2, 2009 10:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
why would the grizz do that trade??
nm, just remembered their GM.
by diedaily23 on Nov 3, 2009 8:04 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If
They traded Gasol for Kwame Brown, and trade for Z-Bo(when no one else would), anyhing can happen, they need to get rid of one of their ball chuckers, Gay could be had for Tyrus, judging by Memphis’s track record.
by QUINTEN DALEY on Nov 3, 2009 12:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i thought John Amaechi was retired.
Hiyooooo!
by M 80 on Nov 3, 2009 1:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
Trade Machine lets you trade Ty and Jerome for Gay and Jaric (7 mil per for this year and next).
Could you go to war with a Rose-Gay-Deng combo for the next 3 years? Can Gay play the 4?
"Your eyes can decieve you. Don't trust them." Obi-Wan Kenobi, the first sabermetrician...
by Curtain Jerker on Nov 4, 2009 8:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Gay is just a big scorer on a bad team. Doesn’t play D. Guy can score though, not a fan of his overall game.
by C Smoove on Nov 2, 2009 10:00 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
But he's tall
must be better than Gordon
I support the Tornado Release [See: Joakim Noah]
by Prevenge on Nov 4, 2009 11:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think Martell Webster would be an interesting guy to try and pick up
particularly if we decide to go the route of trading for a big man like Boozer or Amare. Webster’s a big, athletic guard that can hit a three.
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Nov 3, 2009 1:49 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
It's a shame I'm starting to hate my favorite basketball team.
by benhertz on Nov 3, 2009 6:25 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
* because of management reasons.
I root for the players, but the rotations/minutes distribution, signings (including summer camp rosters), and trades are killing my spirit.
by benhertz on Nov 3, 2009 6:29 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sadly it's yes
I’ve never seen a talented freak like Tyrus who they’ve invested 3 years into get the shortest leash in the league….not only that but he’s been playing well when getting more than a 4 minute at a time stretch. It’s ridiculous.
I hate this team right now, I hate Gar, I hate Pax, I hate Reinsdorf and I hate Vinny.
Tyrus Thomas will blow up elsewhere once given the 33-35 minutes a game he should have had consistently the last 2 years…..
Thurston Moore is a rock god
by majoyenrac on Nov 3, 2009 7:47 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Or maybe the Bulls should have drafted
Chase Budinger who had 17 points on 7 of 11 shooting last night in Houston’s win at Utah. He has made positive contributions when given minutes. Oh, and he can shoot. And from far distances. And can run and jump and finish with either hand. He doesn’t kickbox so that’s a negative.
The Bulls inability to draft or develop offensive talent reminds me of the Bears.
by Duck99 on Nov 3, 2009 9:26 AM CST via mobile reply actions 0 recs
All
of that falls on the coaches
by QUINTEN DALEY on Nov 3, 2009 12:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If a guy can't shoot by the time he's been drafted he's not going to learn
it in the pro game. Tyrus doesn’t have the mechanics, nor does Johnson, nor does Noah or Gibson. Hinrich is flawed. Deng is wayyyy flawed from a shooting perspective. The only pure shooter was Gordon and he had flaws (size, ball handling, no desire to operate within an offensesiv system, etc) that didn’t make him worth the contract he signed, but this team needs shooters. Scratch that. They need guys who can make shots. Budinger and Gibson would have been solid picks that would immediately contribute and Thomas could be traded other needs.
by Duck99 on Nov 3, 2009 6:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i present
jason kidd and tony parker as counter arguments…also d.rose and cp3….
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Nov 3, 2009 10:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Jason Kidd? Really.
Way to early to say Rose has improved and none of those guys you are legit shooters. All are drive first point guards.
by Duck99 on Nov 4, 2009 12:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
d.wade
kobe bryant, michael jordan, gerald wallace, amare, d. harris…..
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Nov 4, 2009 1:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
ultimately
a better argument is, if a guy doesnt learn how to shoot by his 3rd nba season, he probably wont be proficient at it…theres plenty of guys that come into the league on athleticism more than skill but eventually begin to develop strong shooting ability and expand their range….if that shooting ability doesnt become part of their game by the 3rd year, than chances become low for it to ever become part of their game (chances become low, but not null)..
And yes…jason kidd can shoot now, its just not something that he utilizes as part of his game normally….but if he needs to he can…
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Nov 4, 2009 1:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Also
Jermaine O’neal wasn’t good shooter, but now his shot is decent, Antonio Davis left the NBA w/ a pretty good jump shot, Antonio McDyess is a pretty good shooter now
by QUINTEN DALEY on Nov 4, 2009 4:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i agree this is a ridiculous claim
look how much better jordan and pippen got. both added a 3pt shot several years in to their careers. countless other examples
i'm hot for teacher
by DLRoth on Nov 4, 2009 8:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
This may be the dumbest thing I've ever read on this blog.
Wow. Thank you for setting a higher standard for everyone else.
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
by tyger1147 on Nov 5, 2009 9:55 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Tyrus actually has very good form on his J mechanically
by C Smoove on Nov 6, 2009 12:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He wasn't available at #26
;)
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Nov 3, 2009 12:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
hey, that's my guy!!!
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
by tyger1147 on Nov 3, 2009 12:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Budinger
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Nov 3, 2009 1:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Whoops
Budinger’s per 36 rookie numbers rival Ben Gordon’s and he doesn’t need nearly as many shots.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Nov 3, 2009 1:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I might have over-thought this...
But I can see the Grizz doing it to cut salary (i.e. Jaric’s contract) and the jazz doing it to get some perimeter help. he Bulls don’t help the outside shooting problem, but we do solidify our frontcourt for the season while giving us plenty of options in the offseason:
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yzudtzn
But, I’m not really sold on this idea myself; I was just messing around on the trade machine.
"This is not Vietnam, Smokey, there are rules here." - Walter Sobchak
by Rose Colored Goggles on Nov 3, 2009 10:07 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Ah damn, it didn't save it
basically it was:
Bulls get: Carlos Boozer, Rudy Gay and Marco Jaric
Jazz get: John Salmons and James Johnson
Grizzlies get: Tyrus Thomas and Jerome James
What say all of ye?
"This is not Vietnam, Smokey, there are rules here." - Walter Sobchak
by Rose Colored Goggles on Nov 3, 2009 11:10 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So the Bulls get the two best players in the deal and give up basically expiring deals?
I’m all for that!
1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box
by fundamentallysound on Nov 3, 2009 12:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Me too!
Nothing else too profound to say. But I managed to hit the reply button this time, I hope :\
by Rosenscrubs on Nov 3, 2009 12:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, you're right
but the Jazz are getting two guys who can help them this season and it frees up their frontcourt rotation. The Grizz save some money because of Jaric’s contract and the Bulls are only getting expiring deals too (except Jaric). John Salmons would start for the Jazz and JJ would probably get some burn.
Obviously, I threw this together very quickly and the chances of it happening are slim to none; but it’s all I could really think of.
"This is not Vietnam, Smokey, there are rules here." - Walter Sobchak
by Rose Colored Goggles on Nov 3, 2009 12:16 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Shit
I hate it when the reply button doesn’t work and I end up posting a new comment.
"This is not Vietnam, Smokey, there are rules here." - Walter Sobchak
by Rose Colored Goggles on Nov 3, 2009 12:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That trade would be great.
Depending on how the other two teams feel, it might only be slightly unrealistic too.
But it’s the kind of trade somebody like LA or SA could only pull off. Or anybody dealing with the Knicks or Kevin McHale.
by RyPac13 on Nov 3, 2009 12:41 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
The only trade the Bulls should make is a trade
that gets them closer to Chris Bosh. And frankly, I don’t think the Bulls will make a move unless it means they can get Bosh, Lebron or Wade. Since there is no way the last 2 get traded during the season, here is a Bosh trades -
1. Bulls trade Salmons to Toronto and Tyrus/Jerome to Utah
2. Toronto trades Bosh to the Bulls
3. Utah trades Boozer and Koufos to the Raptors
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yz6se6b
Bulls do this trade for Bosh. Obviously.
Toronto does this trade to get help on the wings and 2 vets who they could resign. Toronto has trouble attracting free agents, but with Salmons and Boozer they can offer both the most money which should help their cause. Plus, they are going to lose Bosh and Boozer fits with Hedo and Bargs on the front line. Calderon/Salmons/Hedo/Boozer/Bargs – not bad.
Utah gets a young prospect for Boozer and get rid of a chemistry issue.
by Basketball Smurf on Nov 3, 2009 1:00 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I think there's more of a market for Boozer than that. I imagine Riley would love to pair Boozer
with Wade and Beasley.
1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box
by fundamentallysound on Nov 3, 2009 1:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
But what's he going to trade for him?
Mario Chalmers and Udonis Haslem? I’m not sure how much better that is than Tyrus/Jerome. I think my trade where the Jazz get Salmons and JJ works out a little better for everyone involved (except for Memphis, haha, but they’re used to it). I would love to see one season of Rose-Hinrich-Gay-Boozer-Noah with Deng, Miller, Pargo and Taj coming off the bench. But that leaves us extremely thin at backup guard… How about this:
PG: Rose
SG: Pargo
SF: Gay
PF: Boozer
C: Noah
Bench (in order of appearance): Hinrich, Deng, Miller, Gibson
That’s a 4-5 seed team in the East I think. Extremely unlikely though.
"This is not Vietnam, Smokey, there are rules here." - Walter Sobchak
by Rose Colored Goggles on Nov 3, 2009 2:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
How is Tyrus and Jerome better than Chalmers and Haslem? Haslem is actually pretty
good (better than Tyrus) and Chalmers is waaaay better than Jerome’s rotting corpse.
Salmons and JJ maybe is a little better, but I’m still not sure it beats Chalmers, Haslem. Haslem would be a perfect big to backup Millsap, and Chalmers is a very solid PG who would be even better backing up DWill, or at the very least, is an asset they can move later. JJ is a pretty unknown quantity right now and he can’t even get off the bench on the Bulls, who are a worse team than the Jazz. Salmons is pretty good, but I don’t see how they have a need for him when they have Ronnie Brewer and Kirilenko.
1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box
by fundamentallysound on Nov 3, 2009 3:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The Jazz are hurting at the 2 spot
they have the backup PG spot locked up with Eric Maynor (1st round pick) and he’s actually looked pretty good.
I’m not saying that Haslem/Chalmers isn’t better than TT/Jerome, it most certainly is. But I’m not sure it’s that much better. The Jazz are looking to shed salary, and adding Haslem/Chalmers doesn’t do that — whereas TT/Jerome does.
I still think the Salmons/JJ thing is slightly better, but again, none of this is remotely plausible.
There’s another thread on BaB here that suggested a Deng + Tyrus for Bosh trade. I don’t think Toronto would go for that, but if their season is tanking and we throw in a couple draft picks then they might consider it come February. That leaves us with this roster:
Rose
Hinrich
Salmons
Bosh
Noah
Miller
Pargo
Gibson
JJ
Hunter
Gray
And we have Hunter, Gray, Miller and Salmons coming off the books at the end of the year. If my math’s right, that’s about 19-20 million. Factor in the declining salary cap (plus draft cap holds) and that leaves us about 15.5 million to pursue D-Wade or Joe Johnson (Johnson is much more likely to sign for that kind of cash than Wade in my opinion).
That seems like the best plan of action to me.
"This is not Vietnam, Smokey, there are rules here." - Walter Sobchak
by Rose Colored Goggles on Nov 3, 2009 3:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
your salary cap math doesn't work.
1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box
by fundamentallysound on Nov 3, 2009 5:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I just added it
Gray, Hunter, Miller and Salmons (if he opts out) is equal to $21,669,647 in expiring contracts. I believe the cap holds for draft picks will equal roughtly 2.5 million together, which brings us down to $19,169,647.
If the cap decreases by 2-3 million (we’ll say 2.5), that leaves us with $16,669,647 to pursue D-Wade or Joe Johnson. We can go over the cap to resign Bosh because he will have played with us for half a season and we’ll still have the MLE.
Now, if we end up throwing draft picks into the mix for the Bosh trade, that gives us a little more money (less holds).
Is there something I’m missing?
"This is not Vietnam, Smokey, there are rules here." - Walter Sobchak
by Rose Colored Goggles on Nov 3, 2009 5:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
you're assuming that the expiring contracts all come off the salary cap,
but the Bulls are over the salary cap (just under the luxury tax). First the money comes off that excess, THEN it starts coming off the cap.
1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box
by fundamentallysound on Nov 4, 2009 12:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Touche sir
"This is not Vietnam, Smokey, there are rules here." - Walter Sobchak
by Rose Colored Goggles on Nov 4, 2009 5:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So...
we’re looking at really more like 15 million (I forgot Pargo’s expiring 1 mil deal up there) after all’s said and done in my fictional scenario, right?
That might be enough to get Joe Johnson. Still, starting line-up would be nasty:
Rose
Joe Johnson
James Johnson (or some MLE guy)
Bosh
Noah
Bench: Hinrich, Gibson and some randoms.
Wow, that really doesn’t look quite as good as I had anticipated…
"This is not Vietnam, Smokey, there are rules here." - Walter Sobchak
by Rose Colored Goggles on Nov 4, 2009 5:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not seeing the difference in Haslem and Thomas that you are.
They each have their strengths and weaknesses. And of course, Thomas is 6 years younger. Both are up for contract extensions….
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
by tyger1147 on Nov 3, 2009 5:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
he's not substantially better than Tyrus, but he is better. plus, Tyrus is getting the
JR Smith treatment all of a sudden, so the Bulls are deflating his value. Great job guys!
1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box
by fundamentallysound on Nov 3, 2009 5:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
if Utah is interested in retaining the player they trade for
i think they have a far better chance of keeping Tyrus than Haslem.
by Basketball Smurf on Nov 3, 2009 5:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Why do you say he's better at all, though?
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
by tyger1147 on Nov 5, 2009 9:56 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Jerome James alone =
loss, no matter who you pair along w/ him in a trade
by QUINTEN DALEY on Nov 4, 2009 4:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
"Carlos Boozer is doing really well this season thus far;"
12.9 ppg, 9 rpg 35% from the field. sorry but that’s miserable
by Daniel Satan on Nov 4, 2009 9:21 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

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