Gar Forman's team is on the floor
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 18, 2009 11:53 PM CST
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It seems to be that point in the NBA season where teams are figuring out what they have and don't like, and as a result the rumor mill has been re-charged, buoyed especially this season by more prominent out-of-work NBA vets than usual.
But the Bulls will do nothing. Not because of their usual impotence and lack of foresight, but because they very publicly backed themselves into a corner this past offseason, and it's actually best for their goals that they do nothing.
They do not want to go into the luxury tax this season. At about $1m under currently, they haven't so far even used that room for short-term fixes while some injuries added up, and they can't deal away long-term money for a shorter (yet more expensive) contract.
They also do not want to take on 2010 salary, to maximize possible cap room in the upcoming offseason. So they can't deal away an expiring contract for a long-term deal.
What they could do is strive for a deal that brings long-term savings while being cap-neutral for this season, but the catch there is that they can't have much of a talent downgrade, since they want to make the playoffs this season. And one of the plusses of this current roster is their continuity and much-exalted team chemistry.
It'd be very hard to find such a deal to satisfy what the Bulls are trying to do this season (tread. water.), at least for now. By the trade deadline, it's possible that a player of high caliber is available and the Bulls cash in their 2010 chips early through dealing expiring contracts (and likely incurring the luxury tax this season, ha!). Or that the Bulls playoff chances are cemented (hopefully on the 'good' side) to where they can risk a slight talent shakeup in order to get some long-term money off their books.
But for now, it'll be very quiet, and I can't really blame the Bulls for that. Well except the not paying the luxury tax for one season thing, that's pretty aggravating.
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The more I think about it
Besides expiring contracts, there’s only Kirk Hinrich . . . who has actually played fairly well despite early shooting struggles.
But in my eyes, trade him for the following reasons
1) His value is still high amongst the league and you could very well receive cap flexibility for him to a contending team.
2) This leaves VDN with no other option than playing Rose and forcing him to break through this slump naturally, rather than pulling him out of the game every 6 minute mark into the 1st quarter.
Yes, this will put a dent into that team chemistry but it’s much worth it for the long haul of this franchise
I was somewhat joking about team chemistry being that important
but trading Hinrich is a definite risk, I don’t see any expiring deal being out there that makes up for his loss, and just hoping that Rose being better compensates for that doesn’t look to be the answer, since he’s not exactly blossoming with the dastardly Ben Gordon not around to steal his shots.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 19, 2009 12:16 AM CST up reply actions
Trade him for what? and can you motivate a guy to heal faster?
Kirk’s a combo guard who can play 1 or 2. You can trade him but for what/who? Who’s going defend and backup two positions or start? When you figure his high salary and that he’s being used to cover two positions and also defends, any trade is going to have to fill three needs.
I say his presence is insurance that this team can make a deep playoff run. To the 2nd round.
And putting more pressure on an injured Rose to do more will land us out of the playoffs.
Injury is part of a 82 game season and having Kirk gives us fresh legs and a tight rotation for team chemistry. I’d keep him as the 6th man unless someone wanted to deal an all-star and wanted parts and picks.
He said he's healed
And VDN obviously feels comfortable pulling him when he’s struggling.
I say let him play through it
i agree, keep kirk, he will only get better as the season progresses
Eat. Sleep. Pray. Watch chicago play.
P.S.
You've obviously mistaken me for someone who gives a shit about what you think.
by chi_till_eye_die on Nov 19, 2009 3:59 PM CST up reply actions
It is a worthy risk, I think
Hinrich costs too much for backup. If we can dump his salary I’d do it. Then sign a backup point like Earl Boykins, rashad mccants or anyone not called Marbury (or Pargo). We survive 2010 and play hardball at free agency
by JustAnotherFan on Nov 19, 2009 6:45 AM CST up reply actions
I still say send hinrich to Jazz
Trade Hinrich, Thomas, and James Johnson to the Jazz for Boozer and Brewer. We get expiring deals, the Jazz get a good backup for Williams and a young talent that they have always had their eye on. Heck, throw in a future 1st rounder if you have to. This makes us a better team this year and keeps options wide, wide open for 2010. It’s been proposed a million times, but it would work. We would have to wait until Tyrus was injury free, but it’s something.
Though I'll hate to see Tyrus blow up elsewhere cuz I think he will
I would hate more for him to do so by us not getting anything for him. Worst case is we make that trade and have Boozer to just finish this year and expire. Bulls could be ridiculuos players next offseason if they didn’t like Boozer enough to keep him….
Tyrus blowing up somewhere else
its bound to happen….i really dont think the bulls keep him for cap reasons or otherwise…might as well get something for him…
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Nov 19, 2009 12:55 PM CST up reply actions
the jazz would never do that deal
they get no savings this year, and they lose way too much talent— ronnie brewers a pretty good player, and i believe he’s still on his rookie contract
http://ExtendtheGame.blogspot.com
ha the pick
…is the knicks pick…
maybe a future first….its not a bad thought…i would like ronnie brewer cuz he gives back what we lose on defense with tyrus and kirk….korver is nice but i think it leaves our pg position thin, healthy rose or not….i mean you basically then have pargo playing 12 minutes or so a game, at the point!!!….and alongside him its either salmons or korver….one cant shoot 3s and the other can only shoot 3s…
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Nov 19, 2009 12:58 PM CST up reply actions
Solution
Lets talk to Golden State, they might be in the mood to part w/ some talent
by QUINTEN DALEY on Nov 19, 2009 10:17 AM CST up reply actions
I mentioned Mike Miller as a possibility. He's got an expiring contract
The problem is we don’t have any sort of reliable backup PG if we trade Kirk. But those sorts of guys are probably findable too.
at the minimum?
Though with ~2.5m committed to Pargo and Hunter, they’d probably just roll with that.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 19, 2009 1:04 PM CST up reply actions
hell yeah if you can get an expiring for Hinrich
who cares who you have behind Rose. Just go with Pargo balls to the wall.
indeed, and how sad is that
that they’d need to find ANOTHER backup PG given they have 2 on guaranteed contracts already?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 19, 2009 2:27 PM CST up reply actions
Miller I like...
…perhaps we could nab Foye in the deal too? Probably not, but I would look into it.
Why isn't your friendly Bulls Blogger friendly?
Yeah I agree the problem is...
as much as I would love to see the Bulls FINALLY move Hinrich.. they also according to popular belief have to win/ make the playoffs/ tread water to impress a 2010.
Trading Hinrich would have to bring you an expiring contract that can actually can produce.. if thats what you mean?
Lindsey Hunter makes thing difficult doesn’t he? Why is he on this team?
Should have done it last year
They should have kept Ben Gordon and shipped Kirk. We need BG more than Kirk. And it would be easier to trade BG by the deadline because he has more visibility. Maybe I am wrong but I think the Bulls would be 8-2 this season instead of 6-4
by JustAnotherFan on Nov 19, 2009 7:15 AM CST up reply actions
If you loved me you'd pay the lux tax and prove it.
There’s a reason unsigned Vets are unsigned. They’re marginal and not one of them will put the Bulls in the finals.
Joe Dumars got and spend his cap money. He traded Billups for Iverson and now has a .500 team to show for it.
So signing and paying the Lux tax isn’t about making the team “better” It’s symbolic.
Like someone wanting a big diamond ring.
If you use the luxury tax unwisely sure
But if you are smart, you end up with the Lakers or Celtics. They pay the tax and have great teams.
dont forget the magic too
they’re way into the tax, but they have a deep, and for the most part, relatively young, core of talent. and they even ::gasp:: overpaid for rashard lewis! the horror!
http://ExtendtheGame.blogspot.com
um, not quite
The unsigned Vets thing isn’t a big deal, I wouldn’t expect them to go into the tax to sign a marginal player either.
But if they had a deal presented to them that would make them “better” (though not ‘in the finals’), or one where they could get long-term money off the books, and it put them in the tax, would they do it? I don’t think they would.
But by your logic they should do nothing unless it puts them in the finals. Which they’re more than one move away from no matter what that move is (I guess getting LeBron to sign outright?), so you’re cool with them doing nothing in perpetuity. I think Derrick Rose may be up for an extension after next year, we should probably look into dealing him before it’s too pricey. Plus that Kurt kid really is a leader.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 19, 2009 9:54 AM CST up reply actions
we have Sue.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 19, 2009 11:14 AM CST up reply actions
I realize I just mocked Kurt's leadership
and praised it above. I think it’s a bit overvalued, but Hinrich is a good player who is one of the defensive leaders on the team. I don’t like how much the Org. pushes him as a face of the franchise, is all.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 19, 2009 11:15 AM CST up reply actions
Why are people still upset about not resigning BG?
We’re 6-4 with a decent shot at being 8-7 after the circus trip which overall includes 10 of 15 games on the road and 10 of 15 games and playoff teams. No one thought we would be this good right now. Even if we lose the rest of our games on this trip we’d be 6-9 which isn’t too bad considering it’s been a pretty brutal schedule so far.
Because
We’d be better with BG. Noah’s improvement and a healthy Deng are the root cause for our current play. BG’s solid and has always been. Last year Noah and Tyrus for that matter weren’t exactly what Noah’s been so far this year, and he would still be this Noah with BG, we’d just have a stronger team on both ends….
by majoyenrac on Nov 19, 2009 9:07 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
completely agree
also it looks like that whole “salmons needs to start to be effective” thing has been completely debunked, so we’d be able to move him to the bench and play him 25 mins a night at the 2-3, making this team much deeper. this team truly would be an up and coming team with BG, instead of just being perceived as one. And with BG we wouldnt be stuck in no mans land this year where we cant move forward or backward, but just have to cross our fingers that a free agent falls in our lap this summer.
plus, the 6-4 record isn’t all that impressive considering we still have a negative point differential.
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Excellent points, majo. Well done.
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
Because...
the Bulls have gotten 16.4 Pts, 4.6 Assists, and 5.1 Rebounds a game from the SG position and PER of 9.9.
Ben Gordon: 21.1 Pts, 3.3 Assists, 2.3 Rebounds, and a PER of 20.01.
How the hell does that even work?
We lose 4.7 points but gain 1.3 assists and 2.7 rebounds and still lose 10.01 (twice what it was) in PER? I’m a BG guy and I still think that math is screwy. If it is correct (and I have no reason to believe it isn’t I guess) I have to seriously question the usefulness of that stat.
"When a hyper-intense guy looks for ways to fire himself up, yeah, it pretty much comes out as wild eyed psycho lunacy." - Jeff Clark from C's blog on KG
by Khalid El-Amin on Nov 19, 2009 10:24 AM CST up reply actions
Unless it takes into account his 3 pointers I guess...
Which does spread the floor.
"When a hyper-intense guy looks for ways to fire himself up, yeah, it pretty much comes out as wild eyed psycho lunacy." - Jeff Clark from C's blog on KG
by Khalid El-Amin on Nov 19, 2009 10:25 AM CST up reply actions
But how about what we gain in defense?
I’m talking to myself now aren’t I?
"When a hyper-intense guy looks for ways to fire himself up, yeah, it pretty much comes out as wild eyed psycho lunacy." - Jeff Clark from C's blog on KG
by Khalid El-Amin on Nov 19, 2009 10:33 AM CST up reply actions
Because that 16.4 ppg is coming on 30% shooting
while BG’s up around the 45% mark where he has been his entire career. Plus, those numbers are combined from Salmons and Pargo if I’m not mistaken, whereas Ben’s putting up his numbers by himself.
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by Rose Colored Goggles on Nov 19, 2009 12:49 PM CST up reply actions
That's fair...
Forgot about that.
"When a hyper-intense guy looks for ways to fire himself up, yeah, it pretty much comes out as wild eyed psycho lunacy." - Jeff Clark from C's blog on KG
by Khalid El-Amin on Nov 19, 2009 12:49 PM CST up reply actions
hmm
Why are people still upset about not resigning BG?
Because we can’t really score against good teams. It’s effecting the way teams defend Derrick Rose. Remember Boston had to double BG at times in the playoffs?
I think people are just upset because they signed the wrong players to lucrative deals when it was BG that was winning games for the Bulls. Plus he was an exciting player.
Actually I meant to say..
because he could hit threes from Mars over Ray Allen and grab his nuts in the biggest times of the game when you needed a basket in front of the entire NBA viewing audience. I think people miss that. I do. I will. Kirk is a nice player an all but he’s no BG.
You have to miss this.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-yyO_O81iY
Because, while Gordon may have been one-dimensional...
…(scoring very efficiently and being one of the greatest three point shooters in the history of the NBA), it was the biggest dimension the Bulls lacked outside of him. Having a team of great defenders can win you championships, but every now and then you need a cold-blooded scorer. That was Ben Gordon.
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
Toni Kukoc was a pretty bad defender.
I thought that BG started doing a better job defensively though. Still wasn’t really good but I thought he improved some last season.
Toni is irrelevant
He has Harper,Jordan,and Pippen to defend for him.2 of which are lockdown defenders.We dont have lockdown defenders,we have good ones but no lockdown guys.
because hes actually a starter?
I think people dont consider it this way but sixth men really are players on par to be starters…the thing is for whatever reason they come off the bench….
reasons:
1) The talent at their position starting is far greater than their own talent (example: Hinrich coming off the bench for Rose)
2) The player creates redundancy in the starting line up (having great per. scorers is a good thing, but u dont want your starting lineup to just be per. scorers, you want to mix and match skills in your starting lineup that gives you the biggest advantage)
3) Physicality issues (the 6th man is either older so has less stamina, or is injury prone or coming off a major injury)
4)Coaching Schemes (the sixth man for whatever reason doesnt fit the coaches initial team scheme, so hes put on a second unit where the scheme revolves mroe around his ability…i think gordon in the skiles years was classified in this
5) Trade bait (for whatever reason this player is on his way out, he gets minutes but more so he can showcase his talents and begone)
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
Another reason people are upset I think
Is because people bought into the hype by the media that BG was too short and that he couldn’t be a peace to a Championship puzzle which was ridiculous. Trust me, the Bulls will be spending the next 5 years trying to find a reliable shooter that can be standing on the baseline ready to shoot a wide open 3 from a dish from Rose. The Bulls had one of the best to ever do it and they chose to keep Kirk Hinrich. It’s really that simple. It made no sense then and none right now. In fact people are even more pissed now, seeing that Deng and Noah are shaping in to form.
Are you for real? BG is not going to be missed for the next 5 years. Sure he’s a great 3-pt shooter. But that is one of the easiest replaceable functions for a team. Maybe not at 40%+ like BG but you can find 3 point shooters easily to put around DRose, Noah, Deng and others. Dils, Kirk chose to agree to the extension. Both Deng and BG did not. Eventually the money ran out and BG was left on the outside. The Bulls wanted BG, But not at 12/year.
BG may score 25 some nights, but people, he doesn’t give you anything else! 2-3 assists 2-3 rebounds, and atrocious defense. Atrocious. Both man and man and help D.
And he’s short :(
After the trade with Sac we won 60% of the games. Lo and behold, we’ve won 60% this year! Despite horrendous play from all of our guards (hopefully they start creeping back up to their usual percentages) .
I’m fine with waiting for 2010. And I really believe we can get the 3/4/5 seed this year.
his defense is not atrocious.
it’s slightly below average. He was on a great defensive team before, though with Rose being horrendous on defense him+Rose won’t really be a good defensive backcourt.
Though if Rose is that bad on defense his whole career, there’s no point to any of this ‘addition by subtraction’ nonsense, the team won’t be much better for the next decade.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 19, 2009 11:17 AM CST up reply actions
If it's so easy then why did we settle for
a guy who wasn’t in the league last year (Pargo) to fill his role this year? I think you’re undervaluing a player of Gordon’s skill set. He’s one of the greatest 3pt shooters of all time. That’s the plain truth. You make it seem like the Bulls can just call up Craig Hodges and we’re good to go.
Bg demanded a double team. That’s why I find it humorous that everyone is wondering why Rose is having a tougher time this year. So if not for this year, how about keeping BG for the investment in Rose? The Bulls are better this year defensively because Deng is back and also because their defensive philosophy has changed. You don’t see as much switching as you use to.
BG was part of a Skiles team that played some of the best defense in the league so I think you can have to best of both worlds. Why win 60% of your games when you could be winning 80% with a guy that can give you better offensive production? So yes I think most people would rather have BG with his faults on this team than Hinrich with his pluses. At least I would.
You're right.
I think the main issue is that Ben Gordon is short. We will get taken advantage defensively almost every night. But I feel Rose defense has improved big time over last year.
We dont need BG for the long run
If we are contending sure go ahead.But we are not he cant play D he is a streaky and volume shooter.Hes a better 6th man than starter.So I understand not signing him.
Because it's three weeks into the season, and we've already got the thinnest rotation in the league
There is no way in hell they can possibly get through the season playing 8 guys. Johnson and Pargo are eventually going to have to play consistent minutes, and there’s no indication either one of them is capable of that.
The Bulls don't need Bosh as much as Joe Johnson
With Noah’s development and the hope that Tyrus will be a consistent contributor when he returns Bosh is less needed by this team as a free agent. Assuming Lebron and Wade stay put, I think Joe Johnson is the perfect fit for this team. I watched him the past few games and he has a steel will at the end of games. He seems to make the big play when Atlanta needs it. If we get Johnson I am hoping the Bulls would be willing to go over the cap and resign Miller and others to a short-term deal.
I'm intruiged
Joe ’s career PER is 238th all-time.
"1 spot ahead of Pippen"
One of the all time best defenders at his position.
"When a hyper-intense guy looks for ways to fire himself up, yeah, it pretty much comes out as wild eyed psycho lunacy." - Jeff Clark from C's blog on KG
by Khalid El-Amin on Nov 19, 2009 12:42 PM CST up reply actions
Also...
What was Pippen’s PER in his prime?
It’s kind of unfair to judge his career numbers (which take into account some miserable seasons with back problems towards the end) against a guy we would hope we are getting in their prime for MAX money.
"When a hyper-intense guy looks for ways to fire himself up, yeah, it pretty much comes out as wild eyed psycho lunacy." - Jeff Clark from C's blog on KG
by Khalid El-Amin on Nov 19, 2009 12:48 PM CST up reply actions
it can't work like that in free agency (signing Johnson then signing others)
could do a sign/trade with the hawks in the offseason, but they’re 10-2 right now so they may actually want to keep their guys.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 19, 2009 11:18 AM CST up reply actions
It will be interesting though...
To see how we fare against them this season.
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by Khalid El-Amin on Nov 19, 2009 12:40 PM CST up reply actions
I'd move to Atlanta in a heartbeat...
Especially during those cold Chicago winters.
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by Khalid El-Amin on Nov 19, 2009 12:50 PM CST up reply actions
their ownership is indeed pretty f'ed up.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 19, 2009 12:53 PM CST up reply actions
And the Bulls' isn't?
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by Granny Waiters on Nov 19, 2009 8:38 PM CST up reply actions
Even though Bosh is as soft as Charmin, this looks pretty good.
SF Deng
PF Bosh
C Noah
PG Rose
SG ????
Bench: Tyrus (unless someone wants to give him 10’s of millions of dollars) Miller, Kirk, Taj, JJ.
Um...
we’re banking on Tyrus and Miller not coming back if we’re going to have any semblance of cap room to throw at Bosh. Those two guys comprise about 15-16 million in expiring contracts that we’re hoping to use on a FA next summer. Unless Miller and Tyrus both agree to take paycuts next season (and a MASSIVE paycut for Miller, to the tune of about 9 million a year) they won’t be back.
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by Rose Colored Goggles on Nov 19, 2009 1:00 PM CST up reply actions
Absolutely!
I think the Bulls should go directly to Joe Johnson in the offseason and try to lock him up. I may get killed for this but he may be a better fit for the Bulls than Wade. I’m just sayin
::groan::
if you can get dwyane wade you get him and worry about “fit” later. i think johnson would make a nice consolation prize, but to me the real goals of this mythical offseason (provided we even have max cap space) should be lebron, wade, bosh, amare, then joe johnson.
http://ExtendtheGame.blogspot.com
I think Joe Johnson
could be the easiest of those 4 to get. Put it this way, I would approach Wade once this offseason about a deal. If he gives me any thoughts that he’s not sure, I would make a B-line straight to Joe Johnson and lock him up. I want to see the Bulls come away with something and not get hosed like they did with Grant Hill, Tim Duncan and Eddie Jones
ill agree that johnson will probably be easiest to get
atlantas ownership situation is crazy, and johnson probably wont get a max offer anywhere, so we can “overpay” him, whereas wade, lebron, and probably bosh too will have their pick of teams willing to offer them the max.
http://ExtendtheGame.blogspot.com
if you couple joe johnson
with a real good post player (bosh, lee? Amare!) then it works….if we get joe johnson i want another player to go along with it, and id give up on hinrich if it meant a chance to achieve that….
Rose
Joe
Deng
Bosh, lee or amare
Noah
= CONTENDERS!!!!
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
Why would Johnson be a better fit than Wade?
I’d love either, but I put Bosh and the PF position as the number one priority to unleash Rose and Noah.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Nov 19, 2009 12:37 PM CST up reply actions
I think Johnson would be better
Because he doesn’t need to dominate the ball as much as Wade does and I think that may be a better fit for Rose
yeabut...but....
I WANT WADE TO HAVE THE BALL, HE’S WADE
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 19, 2009 2:10 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
We might have too many good players!
Quick, we need to trade some.
I support the Tornado Release ... and Young Bucks.
It's about the fit
I mean look at Portland. They have nothing but pieces there but they all don’t mesh
WADE IS NOT A PIECE
he pretty much single-handedly won a championship, and is one of the top 5 players in the entire league. Holy crap, the Neil Funk ‘ball movement’ police have really gotten to some of you.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 19, 2009 2:28 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
in my book wade is tied for #1 with kobe
lebron is bigger and stronger than dwade but wade just has this crazy competitiveness and frankly makes me say “oh, DAMN!” more often than bron or pretty much anyone else. and wade has the competitiveness and drive on the mj/kobe level as the aforementioned single-handed championship would indicate. hard for me to put anyone ahead of kobe, but i’d say the same for dwade. dwight howard, as physically gifted and dominant as he is, doesn’t take over games or will his way to a W the way kobe and wade do. who’s the 5th player in that conversation? chris paul maybe?
i'm hot for teacher
yea
as in, the bulls better find a way to fit with Dwayne wade….
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
Oh big fucking deal.
They have one PG who doesn’t fit because Nate McMillan is a dipshit who is this close to getting fired. And they’re still really good.
Unless you’re assembling teams like the 2001 Blazers, more talent=more wins.
The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.
by Ozzie Montana on Nov 19, 2009 3:24 PM CST up reply actions
But Rose is the PG my friend lol
He’s the guy that will have the ball in his hands. That’s why I really think Joe Johnson could be the better fit.
joe johnson has the ball in his hands all the time. his usage isnt quite wade-ian
but joe dribbles and dribbles and dribbles….
"What is going on up here?"
"I never know, man."
I would gladly see kirk gone
for joe johnson…..joe johnson can give us everything kirk can…AND MORE!!! Great defender, great finisher, great midrange shooter, better than kirk at 3pt shooting, unselfish, good ballhandler, a team leader. Not an alpha dog, but he can be clutch, The age is about the same as kirk….Johnsalmons and kirk hinrich (plus any pick and as many picks as atlanta wants) for joe johnson…..then in the offseason we nab bosh…NOW THATS A FREAKIN TEAM (although keeping kirk and getting wade isnt bad either)
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
Rashad McCants is healthy and available.
He could be signed for the minimum and could be the M2GwcDaS.
Why isn't your friendly Bulls Blogger friendly?
Good God no!
You wanna see Rose really regress and never have the space to attack them rim again? One thing I will say about our current roster, at least the guys are all role players and nobody is trying to do what Rose does.
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by Khalid El-Amin on Nov 19, 2009 12:45 PM CST up reply actions
Why would Rose regress...
…because he is paired with M2GwcDaS?
Why isn't your friendly Bulls Blogger friendly?
How is it a bad thing to have more than person attack the hoop?
It’s not like McCants is particuarly good, and I’m pretty confident Derrick Rose doesn’t get dragged down by crappy players. His best statistical games came before the trade deadline.
The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.
by Ozzie Montana on Nov 19, 2009 5:18 PM CST up reply actions
Guys calm down
Why is Kirk Hinrich the topic of trade always. Do you guys actually think that trading hinrich is going to be the solution for all the bulls problems. Everyone is thinking 2010 and my question is what are honestly the chances that we are going to get lebron, wade, bosh? very little. all of these players are loyal players that will stay with the team because the teams can pay the most. Hinrich was part of the movement that lead the bulls out of the laughabull era. what is all this quick fix. if all of you think getting one of the above players is enough for the bulls to be champs then seriously you guys no nothing about the game. chemistry, team effort etc all play i would say alot more than one key player. what has lebron done alone with a pretty good team? or bosh with a good team?. if not for hinrich and the way the rose is playing so for who would have played the point and run this team. we get to excited about alot of things way to early and then we complain. it is going to take a few years before rose becomes the player we all know he is. until then you need someone like hinrich who lets admit would be a starter on most teams. has he complained? no he is doing what is good for the team and how many would accept that role. by the way what do you mean he is being payed superstar money? less than ten a year(ridiculus for any person to make this) but comparibly is not alot.
Bulls NBA CHAMPS BY 2010
If 2010 fails, if we dont get the three you mentioned
or amare….then this whole team is a joke…seriously! Im a hinrich fan and im telling u that….If keeping hinrich prevents us from getting one of those players (which i dont think it does) then were making a mistake…Chemistry is easier to obtain when you are winning, and harder to maintain when u are losing….thats how the game really works…
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
exactly, a 2010 failure is unacceptable
And at the very very very least, they must give themselves a chance to play the game.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 19, 2009 2:11 PM CST up reply actions
After all it's about winning titles not just a few playoff games.
I don’t like LeBron’s antics on or off the court but thats got to be the goal here. Wade has always pissed me off but I’d love to see him doing that for the Bulls.
1. Lebron
2. Wade
Anything else you’re just a nice playoff team to me. I don’t think Bosh, Johnson or stat alone will put this team in title contention. Maybe they put a nice year or two together but I doubt thats anything close to a Championship team.
yeah but it's a start
you get Rose plus one of those next tier, and you can make moves to then get to title contention.
It may take being creative though, which isn’t our strong suit.
It’s very likely the Bulls say ‘well, we didn’t sign anyone because nobody would’ve made us a title contender’, and then, um, they’re still mediocre. Yet cheaper!
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 19, 2009 2:42 PM CST up reply actions
And to take it further
once you get that top tier player, it becomes a hell of a lot easier getting “complimentary players” and the bulls already have a good bag of them. Going into the tax just makes more sense on so many levels when you have a top 5 player and a stud pg on your team. Freeagents see your team as a way to get a ring…things just become, team management becomes alot easier….
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
wow thats a scary idea.. them being so cheap.
If they did that… thats just evil.
Personally I don’t believe that. I think JR as much as people don’t believe this does want to bring back a title contender because I really believe he wants to win one without MJ and also bring back shareholders, sponsors ect..
Having LeBron in Chicago would have to increase the value of the Frachise. Then maybe he sells.
exactly they wouldn't do that.
You’d but a large hurting on your fan base. After years of cap cutting.
I've heard that excuse here
and the similarly evil (kidding) Doug Thonus.
It’s all relative to how you value the free agents. Cases have been made that Bosh gets you nowhere, so why bother.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 19, 2009 3:07 PM CST up reply actions
I'm more than willing to judge those cases personally
When and if I see it.
At least then, well you know they’re trying
yeah but to even 'try', they have to commit max money
There was a report last year that the Bulls didnt’ even consider dealing for Amare because they wouldn’t give him a max contract. I wonder who they’ve deemed worthy?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 19, 2009 3:28 PM CST up reply actions
well of course they're keeping options open
it’ll take them an unnecessarily long time to get their ducks in a row to make an offer to someone. This Org. took 8 weeks to sign Vinny Del Negro.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 19, 2009 4:20 PM CST up reply actions
you know
if rose turn out to be injury prone this season, we can trade him next year for a good 2..and still have kirk at the 1. just sayin
"I think it’s safe to say Noah and Rose are the future."
The reason I don't believe the Bulls are cheap excuse is
they tried their asses off for T-Mac, Hill and Duncan.. later on they tried to sign Kobe and then trade for him.. they are basically saying we’ll only pay for a winning team if the players are there. Which is actually pretty smart… win a few titles and then profit for a decade.. until that star becomes available. It just sucks when their isn’t a star because you’ll most likely suck.
yeah but I'm playing the odds.
1. Gasol hasn’t played. (Rust)
2. The lakers have been struggling
Of course you never know in todays NBA. I just like the Bulls tonight.
The Lakers are struggling? They just destroyed the Pistons without breaking a sweat.
I think Kobe scored 10 points without even looking at the basket. And if Rose can’t outplay the Lakers PG trio of shit, then I might just drift into some alternate universe where Game 1 of the Bulls/Celtics series is constantly on.
The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.
by Ozzie Montana on Nov 19, 2009 3:26 PM CST up reply actions
you might be right.. maybe they get beat but I wouldn't be surprised
if the eek one out on the Lakers home court. I think Derrick will player better tonight.
I'm with you there, the only way they win is if Derrick has a good game.
And I’d be content with a loss if Joakim Noah shows up Bynum on national TV.
The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.
by Ozzie Montana on Nov 19, 2009 3:45 PM CST up reply actions
I will be in staples tonight
I will tell JJ you said “hi”
Eat. Sleep. Pray. Watch chicago play.
P.S.
You've obviously mistaken me for someone who gives a shit about what you think.
by chi_till_eye_die on Nov 19, 2009 4:01 PM CST up reply actions
bynum is not only taller, he's
effectively much bigger ’cause of his crazy long reach. plus he has a legit post game.
it’s not exactly a fair match is what i’m sayin’….. hopefully it will be fun to watch.
the name of the team is The DIAMONDBACKS
keys for a bulls victory, and anything less will = a loss
The Bulls have to control the pace of the game, and play alot of halfcourt defense. They have to win the rebounding game which leads to the next key…points in the paint game (which will be tough with brittle bone bynum, odom, and gasol back in) Also, if they get alot of fastbreak points, that should even out the bad fg%…It will be a tough win, but all I expect is for them to compete, and not get blown out. If they make it a close one, they can steal one in staples…..Oh, and let me just say, I HATE KOBE!!
Eat. Sleep. Pray. Watch chicago play.
P.S.
You've obviously mistaken me for someone who gives a shit about what you think.
by chi_till_eye_die on Nov 19, 2009 4:08 PM CST reply actions
so far the lakers are 8-3 even though they yeild a lot of points in the paint. they are great at
defending the three though, and i seriously dont know if thats good or bad for chicago. my guess is whoever wins on the offensive boards wins this one since both teams’ offense has relied on that so much so far.
"What is going on up here?"
"I never know, man."
lol it's prob good for the bulls
considering i think they’re still last in 3P%. ;)
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
On Blog a Bull, he is "Coby"
I hate kobe as well
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by Granny Waiters on Nov 19, 2009 8:55 PM CST up reply actions
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