The concern about Rose...
by DRose01 on Nov 17, 2009 11:36 AM CST
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PrintThe main concerns over Rose last season was that he was not getting to the line enough and his midrange game was weak. The midrange game was going to be a concern coming in, since this was not his strong suit at Memphis.
This year, the big concern currently is lack of attacking the rim and consequently not getting to the line enough. The midrange game seems to have improved. I am hoping I can ease everyone's concerns a bit, although probably not entirely.
All stats were taken from draftexpress.com and are the per-40 minutes pace adjusted stats, just so everything is as equal as we can get it.
Let's look at Wade. In his final year at Marquette, Wade averaged 9.2 FTA (again, per 40, pace adjusted). His first year in the NBA, he averaged only 6 (still good), but every year after that has been right at or even well above 10FTA! My contention is that he was not getting the calls his rookie year and once he started getting the calls, his FTA were much closer to his college stats.
Again, let's look at Devin Harris. His last year at Wisconsin he averaged 8.2FTA. Harris rookie year in the NBA was nowhere near this, but he is now up in the 9 to 10 FTA range! Again, it took him some time to figure out how to draw fouls in the NBA.
Rose was only at 6.7 FTA at Memphis, but this is still much higher than where he is now. I believe Rose will learn how to get to the line, it just takes time. Once his ankle heals, I think we will begin to see the improvements seen in many other NBA players. He is still young and still learning.
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I have a different spin
I think his problem getting to the line is the role he’s being asked to play.
He is not, by nature (we all see it every game) a lead or initiating guard, setting up teammates. He has no natural affinity for it and it unfortuantely dovetails with his natural inclination to defer to his elders way too much. He ends up passing the ball, standing in the corner and watching stuff happen.
His current role also doesn’t take advantage of what ARE his skills: open-court speed, explosive finishing at the rim (when he does get there) and pretty creative shot making for a young kid — lots of step-unders, floaters, etc.
Basically, I think Rose is a scoring 2, not a distributing 1. Best case scenario is he’s the bastard child of Iverson (size, creativity) and Wade (explosiveness).
I think it’s a very simple step to let Hinrich handle the distributing (it’s what he’s best at as well) and put Rose off the ball in the half-court, coming to get it in various spots (top of key in isolation, on cuts, in post against weaker guards) and then just telling him TO BE AGGRESSIVE AND SCORE (and if he can playmake from those spots, all the better).
I know this is risky — what if it doesn’t work, where does that leave Rose then?
But as I watch his game it seems clear it doesn’t make sense to try to force him to try to become something he’s not.
by RichKarp on Nov 17, 2009 11:46 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
I wouldn't do it as permanent solution but a couple of games wouldn't hurt
Right now I think that Rose is awful. He is less confident, turning it over more than he is supposed to, lost his aggressiveness…
But here is the real problem with Rose: Del Negro. How are we supposed to develop him with VDN?
by JustAnotherFan on Nov 17, 2009 12:02 PM CST up reply actions
He could still play the PG and be a scoring PG
VDN should not be asking him to distribute, he should be asking him to score…
Be that as it may, I still sontend the injury is part of the deal
Derrick admitted
on CSN that his ankle is still bothering him but he doesn’t want to use it as an excuse.
OK I don't know shit about basketball.
by SoulEater7 on Nov. 5, 2009 9:51 PM CST
Then sit him
His turnover are not helping the team, his confidence or his career
by JustAnotherFan on Nov 18, 2009 5:06 AM CST up reply actions
I agree, kind of.
I think Rose can be a point, but I see him as basically Dwayne Wade.
I support the Tornado Release ... and Young Bucks.
I think he is a distributing PG really hes kind of always been like this he lets his teammates do their thing. He doesn’t want to dominate the ball to that extent but I do think he’ll be good doing a mix of both I thought last season we should of tried to find him easier baskets too though.
I don't think that is the point.
While he seems willing to defer, he’s not a good passing point guard. He’s a lazy passer and doesn’t have great vision. He distributes the ball, but does so poorly. He should be a scoring point guard who picks up most of his assists from drive and kicks and baseline cuts.
Metal sharpens metal.
And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan
this is my concern as well...
We bring in Hunter and resign him in order to help Rose and mentor him…well he is playing the way Hunter played during his time with the Pistons. The problem is Rose is capable of so much more than Hunter….we need someone to come in who was THE guy in the past and can teach Rose how to be THE guy on this team…we don’t need him to be Hunter we need him to be the leader and go to guy on this team
I don't think the guys that are now "the guy" on their respective teams
are groomed into the position. It’s an innate quality IMO, one that can be suppressed, but not tought. I hope the former, not the latter, is the problem with Derrick.
Metal sharpens metal.
And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan
to some extent yes...
that is a large part of it-and I can’t point out any specifics but there have been games where he has shown that in spurts..especially in 4th quarters..so it is an innate quality to a certain extent, but it also wouldn’t help to have someone there helping him realize that it is ok to be selfish..that it is not always a bad thing..basically someone other than Hunter helping him learn the position
Well put...
I agree. He’s just not a natural passer. I think he’s naturally unselfish, but he doesn’t have those set-up man skills. He should have so many more assists with the opportunities that are there to penetrate and lob to TT and Noah, and he just doesn’t do it. I also think this offensive is holding him down.
The only thing I’m not sure I agree with is that Kirk is a great distributor… Not to say he’s bad, but I never thought he was a brilliant true point. But I’m definitely all for them playing Kirk at point and Rose at the 2 and finding out.
why I'm not concerned about Rose
it’s too depressing to think of a Bulls team where Rose isn’t a superstar.
Reinsdorfian team-building dicates that an amazing series of lucky events have to occur for the Bulls to even compete. The first one has to be Rose being amazing. If he’s not, everything is fucked (beyond how it already is fucked).
If you really want to be a pessimistic Bulls fan, have any doubt in Derrick Rose. I choose not to for my own sanity.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 17, 2009 12:23 PM CST reply actions
Bahahaha ...
sanity.
I support the Tornado Release ... and Young Bucks.
I just repeat this mantra in my head
It must be the injury..it must be the injury…oh god let it be the injury…
by diedaily23 on Nov 17, 2009 3:17 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
just like believing
that the Bulls’ 2010 plan is real!
You're my assistant! You're supposed to back me up and go get me juiceboxes whenever I want. Now go get me a juicebox!
by chibullsfan03 on Nov 17, 2009 7:28 PM CST up reply actions
Just for the sake of pointing it out
Derrick Rose was able to legally drink for the first time last month. He’s 21 years old. Lets give him some time, shall we? He may not hit his potential this season, he might not even hit it next season, but I think he will eventually, and when he does, it will all be worth it.
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Thank you and preach it brother.
I am sick of people already bashing D-Rose. Last year he was the savior, now he twist his ankle during the pre-season and starts the season out of shape and it’s “trade D-Rose for Paul”. What the heck is wrong with you people? PG is the hardest position to learn in the NBA and I think he is doing just fine so far. Rose is not Paul, but then again who is? I mean besides Chris Paul?
In the same breath Rose can do things that paul cant like dunk on Barabosa during a fast break “That’s your point guard Neil”! remember that? Remember game 1 vs Boston The Bulls best bet is to build this team around Rose, Noah and maybe Deng. Rose’s assist will go up once the game slows down from him and he has more weapons at his disposal. He can get to the rim at will and his shot is much improved.
He will eventually get to the line more once Stern puts in the word lol. Give Rose some real shooters and a low post presence and he will get you 18 and 8. Rose also has better physical tools than Paul to be a great defender whenever he decides to do so. Give the freaking kid a break people. With that said I don’t think he will be better that Paul, but he can be a top 5 PG no doubt.
Homecoming
Brandon Jennings laughs at the assertion that PG is a hard position to learn.
1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box
by fundamentallysound on Nov 17, 2009 1:24 PM CST up reply actions
A couple things...
1) Jennings has played the same amount of pro ball as Rose, so he is not really a rookie.
2) Skiles is actually letting Jennings dominate the ball and take lots of shots! If VDN allowed Rose to do this and actually made him the true focal point of the offense, Rose would do much better.
3) So far you are basing this off of a handful of NBA games.
4) So what if Jennings ends up being a better player? Does this mean that Rose won’t be? The Bulls could not draft Jennings, so your point is moot. There will always be guys who have an easier time. It does not mean Rose won’t be great!
My point wasn't that the Bulls could or couldn't have drafted Jennings. It's just
an example of the point guard position not being difficult for everyone. Some people get it, some don’t. Derrick doesn’t seem to get it, yet. Jennings does.
1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box
by fundamentallysound on Nov 17, 2009 1:39 PM CST up reply actions
If they then score 55 points on those 34 shots,
that’s cool, they may as well take more shots even.
I support the Tornado Release ... and Young Bucks.
Jennings is good but he scored 55 on a shitty Warriors team. I seem to remember D Rose outplaying BJ when we beat the Bucks. Jennings is going to be great but com’on it was the Warriors. D Rose took over on the Warriors last year too as a rookie.
lets not forget derrick's awesome face-up block on jennings at the end of the game
i'm hot for teacher
He got blocked like that again against the Mavericks, too.
eventually he’ll learn: the stepback jumper doesn’t work if you just fire it off like that against people who’re almost as fast as you yourself.
I support the Tornado Release ... and Young Bucks.
It's not just that he scored 55 points.
It’s also just how he plays. He’s worlds, worlds better than Luke Ridnour. You can see the Bucks just change when he comes in.
Jennings actually has more rebounds than Rose, too, which is kind of … :? …
How about 32 points, 9 assists against Denver? That seems like a good stat line.
…
Oh, also, he’s the first rookie in like 40 years to score 55 points in any game, and I’m sure that all the other rookies played the Warriors, too.
I support the Tornado Release ... and Young Bucks.
Jennings will not play like this all year
When the D adjusts to his game, like they did with Rose last year, Jennings numbers will fall down. You’ll see.
Let’s give Rose a break. He’s still hurt, didn’t played all pre-season and is being shut down by defenses because he doesn’t have guys to help him. But I still believe he will improve this year and all this love for Jennings will disappear when the two meet again and Rose outplays Jennings
Jannero Pargo = Larry Hughes 2.0
The point is that Rose never played as well last year as Jennings has already played.
1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box
by fundamentallysound on Nov 18, 2009 12:52 AM CST up reply actions
There's a difference between them
Memphis coach never asked Rose to shoot jumpers or play the pick and roll, for example. In Europe, Jennings had the chance to improve his shooting skills and learn where to take his shots, because that’s how most teams play. They take a lot of jumpers. It’s not like Jennings is way better than Rose. He just shoots better and can hit the 3. Can you imagine what Rose could be if he hit some 3s constantly? He could easily get 25, 30 or 40 points a game. When was the first time Kobe scored 40 points in a game in the NBA (honestly, I don’t know)?
I’m not happy with Rose performance too. But I have faith he will get better this season. Last year we always talked about Rose not doing things like Harris or Westbrook, but in the end, he was the one who played in the play-offs – we won a lot of games and the Bulls should be thankful to Derrick for playing in the last year play-offs – and had that monster game against the Celtics, in the Garden, doing what not ever MJ did.
Jannero Pargo = Larry Hughes 2.0
that's a joke, right?
in his second season jordan put up 63 at the garden against the “other greatest team ever.” in the playoffs.
i must have misunderstood you…
i'm hot for teacher
Jordan never won at the Garden, if I recall
That’s why I was trying to say
Jannero Pargo = Larry Hughes 2.0
OK,
but they’re falling from 25 and 5 and just dragging his team to wins.
I support the Tornado Release ... and Young Bucks.
Never like this.
Derrick was never really the guy at any point last year. He had some moments but Ben carried the team offensively last year, and G-d knows that Derrick didn’t carry the team defensively. More like buried.
Metal sharpens metal.
And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan
He (Jennings) is scoring points
being a true point guard is another step. Do you even know how to play basketball lol?
Homecoming
Eyes:
they’re useful.
I support the Tornado Release ... and Young Bucks.
So O.K he (B.J) is the second coming of A.I
how has that worked out for A.I? Rose is more like J. Kidd with more explosion and a little less passing skills. You cannot win with you PG as the leading scorer.
Homecoming
Um, didn't the Pistons win with Isaiah leading the team in scoring?
Chauncey Billups and Tony Parker each led their team in scoring the NBA Finals. I don’t get this assertion that you need a pass-first PG to win championships. How many rings have J. Kidd and John Stockton won?
Wasn’t Sam Cassell your classic scoring PG? And he won 2 rings with the Rockets. I’m just sayin’, I’ve never seen that “classic distributor” win a championship..
"This is not Vietnam, Smokey, there are rules here." - Walter Sobchak
by Rose Colored Goggles on Nov 18, 2009 10:14 AM CST up reply actions
You're correct
But Stockton played against the best player of all time… If it wasn’t for MJ, probably Stockton could had won one or two
Jannero Pargo = Larry Hughes 2.0
Missed the point.
The point is that you need good players at every position. It doesn’t really matter how they’re good, as long as they’re good.
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
I know
Rose Colored Goggles wrote that Kidd and Stockton were pass-first PG and didn’t won a ring. My point was: that Stockton didn’t won a ring not because he was a pass-first PG or because he didn’t had a good team around him, but because he faced MJ.
Jannero Pargo = Larry Hughes 2.0
understandable
you’re arguing against a strawman, then. No one made the argument that can’t win a ring as a pass-first PG other than in jest.
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
Exactly
I’m not saying you can’t win with a pass first PG, I’m just saying I don’t buy the argument that you need a pass-first PG TO win.
My examples were just to show that good players win championships, and there’s little to no evidence that suggests a pass-first PG is a sure-fire way to win one.
Likewise, the old thinking used to be that you needed a dominate big man to win championships; and I think that proved true for so long because the most dominant players in the game happened to be big men. And although plenty of great big men have won championships in the past two decades (Duncan, Shaq and Dream); it certainly didn’t stop the Pistons, Bulls or 2009 Lakers from winning it all.
"This is not Vietnam, Smokey, there are rules here." - Walter Sobchak
by Rose Colored Goggles on Nov 18, 2009 3:15 PM CST up reply actions
He's not the second coming of A.I.
He’s A.I. if he wasn’t as good of a finisher, but could shoot threes, and was a better passer.
It’s really not that good of a comparison. Jennings is a point, while Iverson is a SG trapped in a PG’s body. The steals are the same and the speed is similar maybe? [I can’t really make the comparison.]
I support the Tornado Release ... and Young Bucks.
Jennings is as good a passer as Rose, if not better.
I’ll take a 25 ppg pg, as his scoring will allow for opportunities for his teammates. When you’re as prolific of a scorer as Jennings appears to be, driving and kicking is damn near enough from a distributing standpoint.
Metal sharpens metal.
And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan
"pro ball" doesn't count
It’s a completely different game (even if you want to assert it’s the same level of competition). Jennings had to defer a lot more overseas, so essentially, he’s learning a new position. And it hasn’t been hard for him.
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
Couldn't disagree more
This is not to make an excuse for Derrick, but even if you’re only exposure to international basketball is the olympics, the bread and butter of Euro ball is the pick ’n roll. Brandon (to his credit) was exposed to and learned not only how to run a pick ’n roll offense properly, but even more importantly, how to defend it.
In addition, the practice-to-games ratio in Europe is a lot higher than it is here (trying to find some good old articles on all of this, but can’t find them at the moment). They actually do a lot more teaching than you get here in the US.
In fact, I might go as far as to say that playing PG here has been easier for Brandon than it would be in Europe. There is no defensive 3 seconds in Euro ball, so its a lot easier to help on quick PGs coming around a pick by clogging the lane.
It almost would have been better for Derrick’s development had he not been able to get into Memphis (b/c of SATs) and was forced to play in Europe. He would have gotten a lot more teaching than he’s probably had at this point in his career.
"Some people want it to happen, some wish it would happen, others make it happen." - Michael Jordan
I just find it strange that more people aren't crediting Euro ball with Jenning's play
It seems that more time is spent arguing that going to Europe (instead of college) won’t hurt your pro prospects instead of the painfully obvious….going there might make you a much better player than you would going to college.
"Some people want it to happen, some wish it would happen, others make it happen." - Michael Jordan
Couldn't find the article I had in mind, but I remembered this "Real Sports" segment
Its from a few years ago, but I remember watching it at the time and anticipating European players becoming even more prevalent in the NBA, but that seems to have slowed a bit.
"Some people want it to happen, some wish it would happen, others make it happen." - Michael Jordan
Oops...forgot the link
http://www.breakthroughbasketball.com/coaching/problem-american-basketball.html
"Some people want it to happen, some wish it would happen, others make it happen." - Michael Jordan
I just had this same discussion yesterday
I don’t think it’s so much Skiles letting Jennings dominate the ball as it is that is how Jennings plays the game. In other words, Jennings naturally has an aggressive, take over the game, ball dominating mentality and Skiles is simply trying to harnass that. On the other hand, Rose defers to teammates (no matter how bad they are), and has to be encouraged to be more dominating. This was true even at Memphis as I distinctly remember John Calipari talking about how he encouraged him to be more aggressive and assertive with the ball. I don’t think you can put this on VDN as much as it’s just who Rose is.
"I'm in the Hall already, on the wall already, I'm a work of art I'm a Warhol already"-Jay Z
Could it be that there is nothing wrong with Rose
Sorry if I choose to figure out why my starting 2 guard and backup guards can’t score and hit open jump shots before I rail on Derrick Rose. In the last game against the Sixers I saw at least 7 assist left on the court. Not because he couldn’t distribute the ball, but because guys can’t hit an open jumper.
Also, I think the reason Rose such a successful season last year was because he played in the back court with a guy who was one of the best 3pt shooters in the league and that demanded a double team. Contrary to popular belief, that was one of the most dangerous back courts in the league and I can distinctly remember Rose’s assist numbers and production going up when Gordon was inserted in the lineup.
Right now there nothing but unreliable jump shooters on this team. Also don’t underestimate Tyrus Thomas ability to get Rose easy assist opportunities with lobs because even his replacement relies on jumpers.So to pick Rose apart after a twisted ankle and low production at the PG position, while ignoring the fact that he’s getting inconsistent and mostly no production from his wing players, is doing him a bit of a disservice I think.
The other guards stink, but there are things that Derrick doesn't do that have nothing to do with them.
No one is railing on Derrick for not getting assists. The things people are railing on him for are (1) not getting to the line, (2) not being able to shoot the 3, (3) playing bad defense, and (4) not attacking and instead settling for tons of midrange jumpers, which are, say it with me now, “the worst shot in the game.”
Most of these issues have nothing to do with the shoddy 2 guard play. People have been plenty critical of Hinrich and Salmons, as they should be. Those 2 have sucked. But Derrick is supposed to be a budding star player and he’s been below average thus far.
1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box
by fundamentallysound on Nov 17, 2009 3:00 PM CST up reply actions
Agreed
Derrick needs to be attacking more! However, he does have that nagging injury, and how much of this is coaching. To me it’s simple, he needs to be told that taking 30 shots, so long as they are mostly at the rim, is what the team needs him to do. Rose’s role in the offense seems to be a very passive one at the moment.
I’d be curious to know whether this is a choice by Rose, or Rose simply following his role in the offense.
i think we all agree on 2 and 3
but 1 and 4 are almost the same thing, and while he has been passive, part of the problem is having no shooters to space the floor and give him room to work. sometimes there just isn’t a path to the basket for him. not saying that’s completely it, but it factors in. i think if BG was still here, Rose would be looking better as a result.
but i agree with you in the sense that body language or drifting into the corner makes it seem like he lacks that killer instinct to just say fuck it and take over. maybe seeing some of these other young PGs putting up huge numbers will light a fire under him a little bit.
I'm not agreeing on bad defense.
He’s noticeably picked his defense up this. He fights through screens and follows his man efficiently when they are moving off the ball. His man defense has picked up too. He has played better on defense than last year and we’re seeing him at not 100%.
by JockstrapNoah on Nov 18, 2009 5:32 PM CST up reply actions
You're kidding, right?
He’s been terrible defensively. Udrich, and Calderon earlier, treated him like a turnstile. He’s been nothing short of a disappointment to this point.
Metal sharpens metal.
And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan
This pretty much sums up my thoughts about Derrick so far this season
although I think a decent amount of it goes to shitty wing play and a bum ankle. He just doesn’t seem to have that fire in his eyes that I was expecting.
And although it was nice to see Fish have a better game last night, there was a good 6 minute stretch in the second quarter where he played some of the worst basketball I’ve ever seen in an NBA game. I mean, he just looks bad, doesn’t he? His body language proves it, this is quickly becoming a mental thing. I’m to the point where I’m less upset about it and I’m just starting to feel bad for the guy.
And also, let’s not forget that if he continues to play like this he most likely won’t opt out of his contract — which means we won’t be getting a max FA unless we make some sort of trade for expirings.
"This is not Vietnam, Smokey, there are rules here." - Walter Sobchak
by Rose Colored Goggles on Nov 18, 2009 10:25 AM CST up reply actions
He’s not at 100%, how can you attack the basket with a slow healing ankle. The feet and ankles are the most important parts for a b-ball player. You don’t have the same explosiveness with any kind of foot/ankle injury.
The only thing I really blame on Derrick is his overall passive attitude. He doesn’t seem mentally focused 100%, that’s my main concern. I understand why he’s not attacking as much, the injury pure and simple. Ankles take a while to fully heal….also not having reliable shooters absolutely affects his assist total.
People need to fall back and let the man play. This is his second year…he got gassed up too much last year as a sure-fire HOF player. He’s going to be an All-star soon but only time will tell if he will be a true superstar/franchise player. I don’t think he will get to that level but he will be a perennial All-star.
Give the man some damn time.
That's actually a damn good idea
I don’t know if you were being sarcastic or not, but Penny would be a pretty ideal choice (financially and bball-wise).
"This is not Vietnam, Smokey, there are rules here." - Walter Sobchak
by Rose Colored Goggles on Nov 18, 2009 10:23 AM CST up reply actions
Hah, true dat
"This is not Vietnam, Smokey, there are rules here." - Walter Sobchak
by Rose Colored Goggles on Nov 18, 2009 10:57 AM CST up reply actions
no i was being dead serious
dont forget the memphis connection… and jersey number 1… i think it would be great for derrick
I'm cuckoo for Kukoc!!!
Seriously?
Now you’re joking.
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
do you think Rose has any emotional connection to memphis?
to calipari, to CDR and dorsey and other players? sure. but to the school? he got in on a fake SAT score to play basketball for one year. nothing else. It’s kinda like saying Gary Payton would be a good mentor to Jordan Farmar because Payton once played for the Lakers.
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
what i saw saying
was that penny might be interested in the job. and derrick being from Memphis might add some kind of added interest to it… the idea in it isn’t a joke.. the jersey number and all that yea, that was just joking..
I'm cuckoo for Kukoc!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lp-zqIYGjNg
Come on everybody, once your awesome. your awesome. Talent does not disappear, i give him until December till hes back to normal.
What’s wrong with you impatient fans. D Rose had better rookie number than cp3 except for steals and boards, what do you guys want him to do? You only get better by playing not making excuses but he missed his conditioning which is the most important aspect of a point guard. He is coming along, he will good some nights and not s good some nights. He is not playing that bad and he usually plays up to the moment. I could have sworn all of you were swearing that we’d be lucky to get more than 5 wins out of our first 20. Well guess what we are already at 6 wins in 11 games I think you bandwagon fans should relax and enjoy this season honestly you guys are doing the most damage to our teams morale and value. What ever happen to cheering for your team??? We are a playoff team that gets more critizm than the nets and that ridiculous.
I want to see nastiness.
I want to see him carry himself like star. I want to see him try and dominate other players. I want to see his eyes light up every time he sees a slower defender trying to guard him. I want him to be as good as he should be.
Right now he does all the things a player with his skill and talent shouldn’t be doing. He should be blowing by guys, throwing lobs to Noah(there have been at least ten times Noah has called for lobs and not gotten one), shooting tons of free throws, locking guys down on defense. He should be dominating, not playing bad ball a month into the season.
By the way, I’d rather be 2-8 or 3-7 withe Derrick putting up 25, 8, 5 than where the Bulls are right now. This team needs a star, not another first or second round exit. Derrick should be that star.
Metal sharpens metal.
And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYQzA16EF2c
Sorry for another video link.
But i believe, on the link above, he has that look. Lets see how he is when hes 100 percent.
by aznlildelfin on Nov 18, 2009 8:30 PM CST up reply actions
It did pop up in the Boston series,
as well as on occasion during the regular season, but this is his second year and I hoped to see it more consistently. We’re ten games in and he’s only cracked 20 points once. That’s awful. I want much, much more out of Derrick.
Metal sharpens metal.
And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan
High Five dakoose
I completely agree with dakoose. The NBA is a stars league. Every good teams has their stars who carry the hopes of the fans and derrick is supposed to be our guy. He’s supposed to be our future, the one to carry us into a new winning era, something we haven’t had since Jordan retired. Last year rose was more than expected and we as fans hoped and dared to have expectations. This year he has come out flat, and yes part of that is due to injury but a lot of it seems to be just an all around lack of aggressiveness.
Now that he’s not a rookie its only fair that we hold him to the standards that not only his years as a pro dictates, but also his skill level dictates. I’m sorry but you can’t be the “cornerstone” of the team and shoot 2-12 and not get to the free throw line once. It just can’t happen. For this team to become what its supposed to be derrick needs to be awesome and right now I just don’t see him attempting to do anything more than just be on the court.
he went 2-12
but he went to the line the most he has this season so far.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
We don't need all those youtube links
We all know how awesome this kid can be, that’s why it hurts to see him like this. He’s not carrying himself as a star, as a leader of this team.
What I worry the most about Derrick is he getting used to coasting through the game and then only show up on the 4th like he’s doing right now and relying too much on his improved midrange jumper. I want to see him attacking the rim all the time like he did last year, and finish at the rim too, instead up dishing it out.
"You can't give up hope just because it's hopeless! You gotta hope even more, and cover your ears and go 'bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla!'"
Right..
But there is no point in everyone getting super critical of him when its only 10 games into the year. He also missed pre-season, and he is still partly injured. He can’t explode to the rim and cant get lift on his jumpshot enough. He is trying to manage the injury and still contribute. At least after today, he looks like he is getting healthy. Being a leader is about being smart and he is. You should be glad he shows up in the fourth quarter, hes actually trying to take the role of a closer, which we still dont have.
by aznlildelfin on Nov 20, 2009 12:33 AM CST up reply actions
A closer doesn't go on cruise control in the first 3 quarters.
It’s fine if he’s only doing it right now when he’s still injured, I’m worried about him making a habit of it later on.
"You can't give up hope just because it's hopeless! You gotta hope even more, and cover your ears and go 'bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla!'"
I think it's 3 rather simple things
1) He has an awful coach
2) He’s still hurt
3) He missed almost the entire training camp/preseason. You can argue this is like mid October to him.
I would add a couple
4) Offseason issues (gang pic, SAT test) must have bothered him, left him unfocused
5) It is easier to be doubled when you don’t have dead-eye shooter Ben Gordon at your side
by JustAnotherFan on Nov 19, 2009 7:09 AM CST up reply actions
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