Raptors 99, Bulls 89: Bulls tire out for one game. Will we see it over the season?
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 12, 2009 12:00 AM CST
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Print| Pace | Eff | eFG | FT/FG | OREB% | TOr | |
| Chicago | 96.0 | 92.7 | 40.9% | 19.3 | 29.4 | 13.5 |
| Toronto | 103.1 | 43.8% | 25.0 | 26.2 | 15.6 |
(more on the 4 factors box score)
This game was tough to expect a win. The Bulls were not only on a back-to-back on the road, but their rotation is so thin right now it makes that common occurrence even more daunting. And they clearly waned (tired or otherwise) in the 2nd half, scoring only 29 points and missing their final 15 shots from the field.
This game was a bit of a validation on both ends of the court, considering the disparity between the excellent Raptors offense and their terrible defense. With the Bulls playing inversely in that game, it confirmed their defense is this good, and their offense is indeed this bad.
Sam tries to get into the psychology of why the Bulls are in a 'slump', but is it really that? They don't have reliable weapons. Hinrich's never strung together good shooting seasons, and he's had bad starts before, including one so bad in 2007 when it submarined the entire season. Salmons may be the cover of John Hollinger's next book: 'The Fluke Rule'. And we've known that as a team they will never get many inside points, or scoring efficiently with 3-pointers or free throws. I don't see things getting much better, merely hope that at least Hinrich gets back to a career norm, Derrick Rose shows ANY improvement in his scoring efficiency, Deng slowly gets that corner-3 going, and Noah continues to be awesome.
(at any point did you think Noah was out-classed by Bosh? I didn't.)
(Another positive in the game for me was Taj Gibson's jumper. I was very reluctant to believe in his shooting prowess, but while his form and release means it doesn't have much range, it is very quick and he keeps the ball high. That's necessary given his lack of size for the position, and it works.)
Vinny's in a real tough spot here. I honestly laud his short rotation so far this season, it was a worry that he'd force in players who stink, and he's kept things very tight. It hurts tremendously that one of a top 7 is out, but Taj has surprised.
But as the season wears on, and more back-to-backs pop up, it will really hurt. You can tell Brad Miller doesn't quite respond to consecutive nights, and he's yet to miss his usual ten games per season. Luol is playing a ton of minutes. And worse yet is that Pargo and James Johnson are too terrible to see the court. And even worse yet is that the Bulls have almost zero roster flexibility during this season.
VDN likely felt the urgency to start this season selling out early and trying to get as many wins as possible before the circus trip (and Gar Paxdorf's BS tour this offseason regarding this team's chances likely making his seat a bit hot). And before they head on that trip, there's a very winnable game on Saturday, being well-rested and the Sixers coming into the United Center. I expect a win in that one, but some much darker times ahead. Merely keeping their heads above water would do wonders in staying at their projected .500 7th-8th seed result this season.
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The Bulls need a superstar coaching staff more than a superstar player
If you can't answer a man's arguments, all is not lost. You can still call him vile names.
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by Tyrusmancrush on Nov 12, 2009 12:16 AM CST up reply actions
the bulls need a consistant
3 pt threat……really thats it…not even ben gordon esque, korver, kapono, James Jones, RUDY, daequan cook….a specialist…pargo sucks!!!
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
The Bulls need a better offensive SG
John Salmons is shooting 30 percent from the field. 1-11 last night.
A TEAM can win a ship
Without a superstar.Look at the 04 pistons.Billups had the talent around him.We need depth and coaching.Mostly depth for now anyway.Build talent around rose like A-hole Billups had back at detroit.
They need to address his absence
more than just getting Pargo and vaguely saying “oh, guys will just take more shots…uh” in the very least. I’m glad BG is gone. They actually like him where he is at now unlike the typical fan in Chicago. The guy deserved some fans after years being wasted here.
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by cranscape on Nov 12, 2009 3:02 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
It's true.
I support the Tornado Release ... and Young Bucks.
Make that three. Detroit fans considers BG a treasure.
Whereas he was garbage here. I’m also happy for BG. I always thought Hinrick and Salmon benefitted on offense when Gordon drew double-teams. Straight-up man-to-man defense has not been kind 4 the Bulls SGs offensive game. Looks like the emperor has no clothes. Deal with it, BG haters. Enjoy hustle players Hinrick and Salmon 4 the next 2 or 3 years. Screw Bulls management. Chicago deserves better.
Uninspired and Uninspiring
But still heads and shoulders above the other guards
If you can't answer a man's arguments, all is not lost. You can still call him vile names.
Elbert Hubbard
I really need to avoid watching the Bulls when Pargo is in the game.
He is, without exaggeration, the worst usage of a million dollars in the history of the universe.
The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.
by Ozzie Montana on Nov 12, 2009 12:24 AM CST reply actions 7 recs
Coming in at a close second and third
are Aaron Gray and Lindsey Hunter, respectively.
Metal sharpens metal.
And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan
i disagree on the closeness
gray was at least a big body who didnt hog the ball, he was always more than willing to try to make the right pass or play, he just lacked athleticism (every definition of the word) and polished skill, and lindsey hunter at least can teach something….pargo is just crap….larry hughes looks down on pargo…
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
He is second among our guards in FG%
36% baby!
Salmons and Hinrich are killing us on offense. They have to start making these wide open shots. If not, they have to go the rim.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Nov 12, 2009 10:06 AM CST up reply actions
I disagree
Throw your money in here!
Otherwise? Probably.
I support the Tornado Release ... and Young Bucks.
It's going to be a long season
if we play like this every night. Salmons can’t be this bad. Right? Rose, Noah, Deng, Gibson and Miller are the only players who have played well so far. The rest of the roster are D league players. I can not watch Salmons anymore. I remember when he got ripped last year with his move by Wade and we lost the game on a last second three. That was a nightmare and so is his game this year so far.
"You talkin' to me? You talkin' to me? You talkin' to me? Well, who the hell else are you talkin' to? You talkin' to me? Well, I'm the only one here. Who the f*** do you think you're talkin' to?"
Taxi Driver 1976
I think im surprised with this team
rose isnt playing up to par, hinrich and salmons are way past tripple bogey…and yea we can actually hang with alot of good teams on defense alone….the team, even when the offense isnt there, is just a real good defensive team. My fear though is that the bulls are falling back to that defense way too much and eventually with the season we have this year (most back to back games in the entire league) we will find ourselves gassed by the 4th quarter alot. Simply put, in the last 14 minutes or so, we pretty much had no offense, we struggled with offense through most of the game on the per, but we completely lost all ability to score by the 4th. I remember seeing an image of luol deng, who had basically been shooting midranges for the last 4 or 5 shots, and he looked dead tired….on jumpers and defense alone! Even noah in his last stint, returned to out of shape noah, not his fault, his body was at its limit….
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
I wrote after last season that Rose had aspects of his game at the PG position he really needed to work on
I said that being a point guard is more than just bringing the ball up the court so others can make plays or shoot. A PG runs the offense, controls the flow of the game, gets others in position to score, and when he has to, he can create a shot for himself. Rose mid range shot has improved, but the rest of his game hasn’t. He isn’t 100 percent, but the shortcomings in his game aren’t due to physical disabilites. The final moments of the Nuggets game is a perfect example, Rose with around 10 seconds dribbles then kicks to cold shooting Salmons to win the game, Salmons misses, Rose gets the ball again then feeds Noah the ball for a basket, Noah bobbles the ball…it falls into Rose hands he finally shoots the lay up tying the game up. My issue is, there’s a time to be passive, and a time to be aggressive, 10 seconds left on the clock and your the number one draft pick, the face of the organisation, and you put the game in a players hands who’s struggling all season, this isn’t good! Rose may just hit a wall, and I think he’ll be alright, he does need better coaching, and to toughen up, his team needs him!
This is right on
Unfortunately….he needs a stud mentality, even rookies like Brandon Jennings have THAT over him, even if they don’t have his physical skills. I’m surprised by the way that aspect of his entry into the league has worked out.
In retrospect, when he broke Andre Miller’s ankle that should have been a calling card, he almost seems embarrassed by his abilities.
It’s kind of strange, actually, in this day and age…
I like Derrick, when I saw him play in high school and at Memhis I knew he'd be a star
But I saw something in his game in the championship match vs Kansas that let me know that as good as he was he had alot still to learn. He could take over with his physical abilities, but he didn’t know at what times to do it, and when a pg doesn shoot free throws well this is problematic because the great PG’s are normally clutch free throw shooters
This isn't bashing Derrick either, this is just a fair critique of his game
When Derrick knows when to take over, when he gets the fiestiness back, and when he gets back to attacking the rim to go with that improved jumper, he’ll be a new man like white Sammy Sosa only not creepy!
lots of
bitchin’ and moanin’ in the game threads over guys that are underperforming. and (amazingly!) rose doubters too. (ever think he’s just focusing on perfecting the midrange jumper until the ankle comes around?)
loss of gordon-savior bs, and the old “post presence” myth…
truth is, at 4-4 all they need is two more november wins to exceed my expectations. maybe fan frustration comes from the realization that this team is capable of actually playing some very strong defense? people, don’t then forget the importance of team chemistry when you dream of trading for offense! they’re still getting good shots. maybe a few more go in the basket if the legs aren’t dead tired.
vinny’s gonna have to adjust and play somebody off the bench some minutes with tyrus out. as much as it’s not my style of ball, this looks to be a group of winners that won’t get their much needed rest by allowing many opponents to blow them out.
the name of the team is The DIAMONDBACKS
maybe a few more go in the basket if the legs aren’t dead tired.
You act like this is the first game our offense has sucked. This is a recurring problem. Although I do agree that I’ve been somewhat pleasantly surprised. Of course it would be great to see Rose improve
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Nov 12, 2009 1:30 AM CST up reply actions
just as we knew the team wouldn't score as much perhaps
we should also know the 2 guards won’t finish the year @ 30% fg. i guess it’s a subtle distinction, or a semantic notion, but “missed decent shots” doesn’t equal “offense sucks”.
it didn’t look bad at all the last half of the 2nd quarter. but yeah, the offense sucks. lol!
the name of the team is The DIAMONDBACKS
also, i think 29 2nd half points is the worst it's been, right?
the name of the team is The DIAMONDBACKS
Isn't that the excuse no on one would accept from the Spurs
when they lost to us in a back to back? People said they were tired yet on here it was said it was impossible for them to be tired this early in the season. Yet suddenly it applies to us. A younger team.
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other than taj
all the starters played over 38 min on tues… with luol deng playing more than 82 min combined in the two games. iirc none of the spurs starters even cracked 28 min on the first of their back to back against us.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
I totally agree with your post
that tyrus loss is huge, whether the bulls planned on trading him or not, i dont think anyone wanted him out for 6 weeks, taj has been over achieving, the honeymoon effect i believe its called…i fear it wont last long, i hope tyrus is back by then….
as for rose, i rememeber him talking in an interview how he wanted to get a better jumper and that people wouldnt see him dunking as much this year cuz he wanted to perserve his legs for the playoffs. I think the injury just has him perserving his legs alot more, hes being limited minutes, and people in threads call for him five minutes after he sits, but i wanna say vinny is saving his legs for the second half, cuz rose tends to shine there no?
This season, people forget, is more about looking like an attractive place to play while also working out an identity, i think that the bulls are ahead of scheduel for that goal. They are competing with some real good teams (too bad we dropped the miami one, but we can redeem ourselves later) and i think we have isolated out some real good players on our team, aside from noah emerging as a true stud, and rose already proving he is one, ive been totally happy with deng, and like the level he has been playing at. His defense is terrific, despit his robotic lankiness, he has quick feet and great at challenging shots, not to mention a terrific rebounder, and the midrange has been finding its mark quite a bit. Thats 3 out of 5 positions that we are solid with. Im an obvious hinrich fan, ive been hating his offense in the last couple games, but his defense has been terrific. Hes active and aggressive and the refs arent blowing the whistle on him as fast. even in todays game i saw him pull alot of veteran cheap-ness moves on teh defensive end, and he got the calls. I think it also helps that noah and deng are there to watch his back and he knows it.
I miss bg at times just cuz i think about how games couldve been won, not cuz of bgs godlike ability to score, but more because he could hit the outside shot….all we need is someone (not pargo) to hit the outside shot…and i think trading pargo for a daeqwan cook or jones helps chemistry as well as solving our shooting problem…
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
Tyrus
May be inconsistent.But at least for now we do need him.For depth purposes.Or VInny needs to play JJ longer.
How long did JJ play anyway
The biggest problem with Tyrus out
is that Noah becomes the back-up power forward when Miller comes in. Instead of having Miller replace Noah, the two bigs have to play together. This results in end of game line ups that include Taj at center, Deng at power forward and 3 guards. We will not be able to win consistently with that lineup. Taj has pleasantly surprised everyone, but with no true backup at the four, we’re screwed. The circus trip is the time to get JJ some seasoning. I say that anytime we’re out of a game, he plays the rest of the way. No reason to have him on the bench
wanted to add a couple names
to the bs blame game list, since that’s what we play here. not your likely suspects either, since they’ve been very good by everybody’s judgement:
a) deng takes (and makes!) the worst shot in basketball, the 21 ft jumper. totally understandable, given the defense he faces, but… what if he could move back one mere step and make it? i know it’s been discussed ad nauseam here, but a deng threat from three would make a world of difference. and anyone who’s played knows it’s not that tough a shot, especially for a guy who regularly drills ’em from 20 ft! (maybe next year?)
b) noah is not the “total sum zero” that ben wallace was, but he’s not a threat to the defense either. (other than keeping him off the boards, which was a concern with wallace too.) point being, the offense is still working 4 on 5 to a degree. now, noah’s been team mvp lately. i’m just pointing out he’s lacking an offensive game, if anyone’s forgotten.
those two are matching all expectations on offense, and are killin’ it on the other end. but they couldn’t do it without the current “dogs”: hinrich and salmons (and rose, much improved).
to summarize, it’s a team game on offense and defense. and it’s not fantasy league, it’s real nba (duh…).
the name of the team is The DIAMONDBACKS
I do think.
The offense will come eventually.Theres no way that everyone but (deng,rose,noah,hell even taj) as gotten so cold this badly all season.Absolutely somethings gotta give if Taj becomes a better jumpshooter than j sal and kirk.That would be a shame
Deng has a flatter shot
so the further out you get, even a few steps, the harder it is to hit it just right and it will take an adjustment to his shot to get that at a good %. Not just the act of taking a few steps back. Sure, he can line drive it from back there more but he had better be dead on or those won’t go in.
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I noticed on the corner three he made the other night that he arc-ed it much more than his typical jumper
I think he realizes what he needs to do to make it, he just isn’t quite comfortable shooting it all the time yet.
Honestly I would like to see the Bulls really go after a great free agent this summer and
get him. I’m kind of tired of looking at other teams and seeing stars emerge. I don’t think we develop players properly. I think we are good at taking players the way they are but when it comes to giving them the things they need to be successful, management fails. Look at the progress that Noah has made from last year. Everything he developed in the off season came from him working out with other professionals around the league and not Bull’s employees. What are they doing with these players throughout the season? They draft so many players with potential and when they don’t develop as quickly as they want them to, they trade them off to other teams.
Right now they need to build around Rose. How many players on the roster now actually fit with Rose? Do they really think that Salmons fits with him and can grow with him? And Hinrich does not fit with the team. Hinrich to me represents that Baby Bulls image they had so many years back. I thought they should have traded him after the Bulls beat the Heat and advanced to the second round a few years back. I’m sure his value was really high back then and they could have had that big man they always needed.
"You talkin' to me? You talkin' to me? You talkin' to me? Well, who the hell else are you talkin' to? You talkin' to me? Well, I'm the only one here. Who the f*** do you think you're talkin' to?"
Taxi Driver 1976
wait, do you really think management plans on having Rose and Salmons as the backcourt of the future or something?
because i don’t think you’ll find anyone who believes the Bulls are trying to have Rose “grow with” Salmons. Salmons is a nice player, but he’ll be 30 next month and entering the tail end of his prime, whereas Rose might not be in his prime for another 3-5 years.
you may be right that the Bulls don’t have a lot of players that fit with Rose right now, but give it some time. after all he’s only been a Bull for 90 games and obviously most teams in the league are waiting to see how this summer shakes out before making any drastic roster moves, and that includes the Bulls.
by Daniel Satan on Nov 12, 2009 9:50 AM CST up reply actions
yes, what?
a video clip? if so, please share. in person?
"...but the devil lives inside this kid, I swear it. It rises out of him in a mist, this baby-faced defiant wrathful version of Pat Kane, escapes his bodily confines to perform satanic miracles all over the offensive zone. The only thing more fearsome than that assist was the keep-in preceding it. The only thing more unholy than his face is his black magic." GMH
the video clip is already on this site
its one of the reccemonded fanshots, the title is The Bulls totally 80s…
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Nov 12, 2009 12:20 PM CST up reply actions
awesome, thanks
"...but the devil lives inside this kid, I swear it. It rises out of him in a mist, this baby-faced defiant wrathful version of Pat Kane, escapes his bodily confines to perform satanic miracles all over the offensive zone. The only thing more fearsome than that assist was the keep-in preceding it. The only thing more unholy than his face is his black magic." GMH
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 12, 2009 10:39 AM CST reply actions
Jose Calderon had his best game of the season.
Is it me or do the Raptors ‘’get up’’ for the Bulls? I don’t get it. I watched them against the Spurs and Dallas, they didn’t impress me. I think they took this as like a playoff game. I’ve just noticed over the years the Raptors play harder against the Bulls.
Calderon seems to be the ring leader and really rubs the salt in the wound…. why did Rose take him to the hole more?
They know Chicago wants Bosh,
so his teammates “get up” to stick it the Bulls to show Bosh it’s not a good fit for him.
by Mike Mueller on Nov 12, 2009 11:29 AM CST up reply actions
I still say Bosh wants out though.
I mean seriously who wants to stay and play ball in canada for their whole career?
I doubt that about 99.999999%
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
is that 9 barred
i wanna see how far along one would have to go to add the 1…..
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Nov 12, 2009 12:21 PM CST up reply actions
It's not.
That is the exact amount. I calculated using a complex formula involving my emotions, my logical ability (obviously, far a weaker factor) and a whole host of other factors, including the flapping of a butterfly’s wings in Tokyo.
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
math nerd joke
ftw
"...but the devil lives inside this kid, I swear it. It rises out of him in a mist, this baby-faced defiant wrathful version of Pat Kane, escapes his bodily confines to perform satanic miracles all over the offensive zone. The only thing more fearsome than that assist was the keep-in preceding it. The only thing more unholy than his face is his black magic." GMH
Its Canada.
No Allstar stays in Canada to play their entire career.And its seems that Rose and Bosh are friends or something.
Okay.
I disagree that his teammates try harder because they’re afraid Chicago is going to take Bosh away.
A) All players know that the vast amount of players go where the most money is, regardless of what they say publicly
B) they already know THEY don’t want to stay in Toronto, so why would Bosh
C) that’s the dumbest damned motivation for a player I’ve ever heard. If they got up for that and not other reasons (like winning in general or making money for themselves), they should be fired.
You give reasons why Bosh would leave, which I don’t disagree with. I disagree about the other part. If you were being sarcastic, good on ya. You got me.
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
Agreed agree with that dumb reason of why the raps want to win.
Also again ITS FREAKIN CANADA.Whoever think that they will EVER win anything there are crazy.
Paul
Must have the same problem Rose is having.Not a lot of consistent talent around him.But Deng and Noah stepped up.And thats it.
The difference:
Noah and Deng
vs.
nobody
I support the Tornado Release ... and Young Bucks.
did you all notice that the bucks beat the nuggets last night?
Eat. Sleep. Pray. Watch chicago play.
P.S.
You've obviously mistaken me for someone who gives a shit about what you think.
by chi_till_eye_die on Nov 12, 2009 11:52 AM CST reply actions
i know on any given night in the nba, anything can happen
but it just blows my mind that we can beat the bucks, yet struggle with denver and then the bucks come out and thrash denver…..i just dont get it. Jennings is going to be in the race for rookie of the year no doubt
Eat. Sleep. Pray. Watch chicago play.
P.S.
You've obviously mistaken me for someone who gives a shit about what you think.
by chi_till_eye_die on Nov 12, 2009 11:58 AM CST up reply actions
Ok
1.its VERY early no team is gonna play their fullest in 8 games let alone 20
2.Jennings reminds me of Arron Brooks from houston just like him.
3.Denver is good not great.
4.Bulls every since skiles (who i was still shocked of why he was gone) started off slow and finish strong towards the end.
5.Which leads to this its a marathon not a sprint.Doesn’t matter how strong you started off its ok to have an average start.But what matters more is how you finish.
He's a nice little player but come on he's too damn small
teams will take notice and start posting him up.
Yep he tried to shoot over Rose
He has seen how that went.He is a shrimp compared to Rose.Like i said hes Arron Brooks’ Twin fast and can score but small and guys like Rose and Billups or even Williams can post up on him.Can jennings play D though?I just want to know?
He's lightning quick and could average many many steals for years to come...
Other than steals I don’t see him manhandling players on D, but with Bogut behind him he could be decent enough to at least survive some swipes that lead to blow-bys. The real test will be when Redd comes back as they will have one of the worst defensive backcourts in the NBA.
I’m actually having a lot of fun watching him play under Skiles. He looks like he could be streaky as hell which will cause Skiles to sub in Ridnour like he did 2 games ago, but when he’s shooting almost 60% from the field and jacking 3’s from 5 feet beyond the line it’s fun to watch… Mostly because I can imagine Skiles blood pressure rising by the second.
"When a hyper-intense guy looks for ways to fire himself up, yeah, it pretty much comes out as wild eyed psycho lunacy." - Jeff Clark from C's blog on KG
by Khalid El-Amin on Nov 12, 2009 1:08 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah Billups took him to the post, and had 32 points and 9 assists dropped on him by the rookie!
Billups, the 6’3 200 something pound vet got worked and Jennings only help is Andrew Bogut!
Did he have any snide quotes after that game like he did with ours?
Billups is always good for a quote.
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"I was watching them celebrate, and I smiled ... it was like they got into the Sweet 16 or something."
“Then we lost.”
I support the Tornado Release ... and Young Bucks.
The Bulls struggled with Denver?
They held the 2nd best offense in the NBA in check the entire game. Their continued inability to attack the rim and score efficiently is what loses games.
The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.
by Ozzie Montana on Nov 12, 2009 3:20 PM CST up reply actions
They are deep...
Which still seperates them from a lot of ‘good’ teams… IE: The Bulls.
"When a hyper-intense guy looks for ways to fire himself up, yeah, it pretty much comes out as wild eyed psycho lunacy." - Jeff Clark from C's blog on KG
by Khalid El-Amin on Nov 12, 2009 1:10 PM CST up reply actions
Ty phyiscally is better than Taj.
But i have to say Taj is better mentally.he understands how to play the game better and faster than Ty did.He is smarter than Ty (Ty is not stupid by any means) but Taj knows his limitations,Ty however doesn’t he dost do what he does best when he needs to.GO INTO THE HOLE AND DUNK ON IT!!Ty i would say is better off the bench but we do need him.But Taj so far has impressed me he can rebound a little and block and plays nice on the ball defense.Ty is better in terms of physicality.but Taj is better mentally.But still we need Ty for now cause we have no depth.That or Vinny needs to play JJ alot more than hes playing him now.
who would you guys say is the bulls leader??
Im trying to see who leads the team, gives them hope or some kind of perk to go and play hard, or wants the ball in his hands at the end of close games. At the end of the playoff run for us last year, i thought it def was going to be rose. He would come out and be that floor leader. Im not seeing that from him right now. I think the bulls are still looking for their identity in terms of leadership…meaning, WHO is going to WANT the ball at the end of close games? Who is going to be confident enough to take and make shots at the end of close games? From last nights game, there is NO leader out there. I swear, it seemed like nobody wanted the ball at the end of the game, every1 was looking to some1 else to make a play. We cant have that and be a contender. We need to have an identity. Unless Rose or maybe even Noah can step up to be that guy, then we will have to wait for a trade for an established star or thru FA. Somehow, we need a leader on the court and if that is not happening soon, we will see more losses of this type…missed shot after missed at the end.
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by chi_till_eye_die on Nov 12, 2009 12:08 PM CST reply actions
I think Noah can be that guy.
When he steps up to the plate.Rose is quiet and still getting use to be famous.But he did say that he wants to be a leader on comcast sportsnet.But yes this team is still very young.We need a vet and a good vet thats all.
Also Back at Florida
He was the heart and soul of that team as well as the leader.I know its the NBA and not the SEC.But he has that in him
No.....he was inspirational and emotional, but the leader was Green
The point guard controlled the show and was the best player hands down for that team. Horford and Brewer were good, and Noah was the charismatic face of the bunch, but the guy who controlled the team was Green no doubt!
Noah
It’s not even close. He TT and Miller are the only ones who play with emotions, Noah and Miller are the ONLY ones I ‘ve ever seen saying something positive to another player on the court, Rose is too quiet and spaced out, Salmons just doesn’t care about anything, Deng wants to show he’s a player, Kirt’s got potential. So it’s either Tornado Jo, or Kirt, but I gotta go with Jo!
The problem is that all "closers" are good isolation players
and good jump shooters – Noah is neither and likely will not be. If Noah hit a game winner, it is likely a put-back of a missed shot.
Rose is the only potential true “closer” on the Bulls.
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by Granny Waiters on Nov 12, 2009 8:45 PM CST up reply actions
Is it too early to say we wasted the 16th pick?
I know it’s early, but goddamn, you’d think Johnson could at least get on the court for team with no depth. As much as we like to rag on Taj, this team would be absolutely screwed if he wasn’t contributing.
Chase Budinger!!!
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it's not too early to say that
johnson’s 22, so this idea that he has this great untapped potential doesn’t really fly with me. with how good ty lawson is playing it looks like we wouldve been better off grabbing him at 16 and taj at 26. wasting draft picks cannot happen, and this franchise has punted way too many draft picks lately. screw position duplicity, with mid-late first rounders just grab any guy who can contribute.
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Of course, it doesn't help that this franchise has no clue how to develop guys
If you’re not ready to play right out of college, the Bulls sure aren’t going to do anything to help you. Has Derrick Rose shown ANY improvement from November of last year to today? Luckily, he was already awesome when we drafted him. When players do improve, like Noah, it’s due to their own offseason strength and conditioning work. Look at Thabo Sefolosha. He was terrible when he was here. He goes to OKC and immediately becomes a solid player. I have a sinking feeling we’re going to be saying the same thing about Tyrus a year from now.
Nah.
Thabo is the same guy only he is getting more minutes. Offensively he still sucks but they don’t need him for that with two other dominant shooters in their lineup. He is there for defense and he was always a good defender. He is also probably happier there though. He’s got a starters gig where they only need him for what he already can do.
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JJ
And he’s been terrible so far. I didn’t see last night’s first half, and I hope he’s improving. He looks like he doesn’t know what to do on the court, and he’s so passive that he screws up their defensive rotations which they can’t afford.
I like VDN giving him and Pargo 5 minutes in the first half and not using them again if they suck.
by El Toro de Goro on Nov 12, 2009 1:06 PM CST up reply actions
That's probably exactly why he isn't playing
because he doesn’t know where he needs to be on the court. But I think now is this time to start letting him get his feet wet while Tyrus is out.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 12, 2009 1:09 PM CST up reply actions
word on the streets is the hornets fired byron scott
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by chi_till_eye_die on Nov 12, 2009 1:11 PM CST reply actions
no, literally the streets
i was on my way to grab a cup of coffee from across the street when my co-worker told me the hornets let byron scott go. (then it was confirmed on espn)
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by chi_till_eye_die on Nov 12, 2009 1:38 PM CST up reply actions
It will be epic watching the Bulls on the circus trip, praying Salmons and Hinrich shoot their way out of slumps.
This isn’t an attack on James Johnson, but the Bulls could have picked up some serious backcourt help in the draft as merely an insurance policy. Look at this team and tell me they couldn’t use another backcourt mate to pair with Rose to help push the tempo. Someone like Toney Douglas would have been a real nice option instead of wasting cap space on Jannero Pargo.
In the context of “No one matters besides Deng/Rose/Noah” there isn’t that much to complain about. Derrick needs to stop playing like a 30 year old Baron Davis, and Luol needs to learn how to shoot 3-pointers.
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I agree, somewhat
but if you recall, in 2006-07 Lu stopped taking three’s and that bumped up his shooting percentage tremendously. I think that his range is right around 20-21, when he gets out of that, his shot is terrible. And as far as the draft of JJ, at the time, they still had NO D BG, so they were 5 deep as far as gaurds, not knowing sorry ass gordon would leave, they didnt want to overload the guard spot, since they were loaded already. I think JJ is a decent pick, the damn management just needs to start bringing ppl in that can work with young cats and develop them. Look what the LA Fakers did with Brittle Bone Bynum, they brought in vets like kareem and other hall of fame centers to work with him, now he’s developing, the bulls management would never think out the box like that
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by chi_till_eye_die on Nov 12, 2009 4:14 PM CST up reply actions
except reinsdorf
said they had known he wasn’t returning for a year. they had to be basing it off the fact gordon would leave, since by the draft there were already rumors about him to the pistons for 11+ million dollars.
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They knew he was going to leave.
It isn’t like someone was going to force him onto them. All they’d do is not offer him a contract. Which is sorta what happened. They knew very well he was leaving. There was no rule that they had to take BG. Draft night was their fault and no one else. Everyone here expected them to pick up a guard.
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They should of gotten Douglas, Lawson or Budinger. They knew Ben wasn’t coming back. Johnson should be in the rotation, he’s the 16th pick….every other 1st rounder is at least in the rotation….hell even hansborough had 13/5 in a game this year.
Thabeet is playing rotation minutes
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Thabeet!!!
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