Open Game Thread #8 OVERFLOW: Bulls at Toronto Raptors
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 11, 2009 7:45 PM CST
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Chicago Bulls at Toronto Raptors, Nov 11, 2009 6:00 PM CST
Forgot to tape this one, missed a bit of the 3rd :-/
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 11, 2009 7:47 PM CST up reply actions
I don't think it was really BG or Salmons...
get mad at the 2010 draft class if you really want I guess
"The Zen philosopher Basho once wrote: 'A flute with no holes is not a flute, And a doughnut with no hole is a Danish.' He was a funny guy."
by Ugh It Live! on Nov 11, 2009 7:50 PM CST up reply actions
free agent class
woops
"The Zen philosopher Basho once wrote: 'A flute with no holes is not a flute, And a doughnut with no hole is a Danish.' He was a funny guy."
by Ugh It Live! on Nov 11, 2009 7:50 PM CST up reply actions
Nah but it was Hinrich for BG
Im tired of everyone beating around the bush. Salmons defense doesn’t validate his play this year. With BG we’re 6-1 right now
Miller's gotta have the shortest vertical in the entire league...
"The Zen philosopher Basho once wrote: 'A flute with no holes is not a flute, And a doughnut with no hole is a Danish.' He was a funny guy."
horrible call, miller was mugged
Eat. Sleep. Pray. Watch chicago play.
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by chi_till_eye_die on Nov 11, 2009 7:49 PM CST reply actions
If we just had like a below average shooting guard, that could hit threes at a ddecent clip
we’d be way better off
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
Carlos Mencia everybody!
"The Zen philosopher Basho once wrote: 'A flute with no holes is not a flute, And a doughnut with no hole is a Danish.' He was a funny guy."
by Ugh It Live! on Nov 11, 2009 7:52 PM CST up reply actions
ive been giving salmons the benfit of doubt, but fuck it
im with you guys now, he fuckin sucks
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by chi_till_eye_die on Nov 11, 2009 7:51 PM CST reply actions
I think the problem is he got too much praise that wasn't warranted. He's been in the league almost 10 years
He had one great year, and we labeled him a star, and he ain’t that!
its his defense that was terrible, you're missing the point
by bullsfaninbigapple on Nov 11, 2009 7:52 PM CST up reply actions
The defense argument doesn't wash anymore
It’s not like Salmons in Bruce freaking Bowens
not at all
how many times has his man gone around him or shot over him??? fuck bg
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by chi_till_eye_die on Nov 11, 2009 7:52 PM CST up reply actions
More points than Kurt has.
"Then you need a center so if the ball gets stuck between the rim and backboard he can reach up and knock it loose instead of having to spend 15 minutes trying to hit it with a broom stick." – Sam Smith
by Granny Waiters on Nov 11, 2009 7:56 PM CST up reply actions
Tell someone who cares.
OK I don't know shit about basketball.
by SoulEater7 on Nov. 5, 2009 9:51 PM CST
theres no way salmons can stay this bad.
theres just no way.
Nick Friedell: What's the biggest difference for you right now, compared to when you entered the league two years ago?
Joakim Noah: I would say eating breakfast.
Do Canadians drink Miller?
I’d imagine they have at least a dozen better beers to drink.
The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.
Nah, Labatts Blue
or straight up Molson
"The Zen philosopher Basho once wrote: 'A flute with no holes is not a flute, And a doughnut with no hole is a Danish.' He was a funny guy."
by Ugh It Live! on Nov 11, 2009 7:56 PM CST up reply actions
Labett Blue is pretty good.
Metal sharpens metal.
And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan
Enough already w/ the 3s Brad
I don’t care how many you make during practice…
"The Zen philosopher Basho once wrote: 'A flute with no holes is not a flute, And a doughnut with no hole is a Danish.' He was a funny guy."
Miller just got rejected by Bargnani. That's the height of embarrasment.
The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.
Neil is generous in calling Luol's shot a jumper.
Metal sharpens metal.
And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan
Deng the dumpster.
I like him, but it’s a funny name.
Metal sharpens metal.
And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan
wheres noah
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by chi_till_eye_die on Nov 11, 2009 7:57 PM CST reply actions
That's what worries me, Noah getting tired, Miller getting worn out
Taj’s defensive shortcomings, and 4-6 weeks no TT. Noah and Miller are gonna have to hold it together with those heavy minutes.
someone call kirk
and tell tell him….!!!shoot the damn ball….this is the 4th time he passed up a good shot….Shoot the damn ball!!!!
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
http://www.fromsport.com/video-112880.html
Eat. Sleep. Pray. Watch chicago play.
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by chi_till_eye_die on Nov 11, 2009 7:58 PM CST up reply actions
Anyone on the net check out Mow Williams line against Orlando.
Sick.
Metal sharpens metal.
And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan
Moe*
Metal sharpens metal.
And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan
Mo
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Nov 11, 2009 8:00 PM CST up reply actions
Lol. my bad.
Metal sharpens metal.
And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan
Can't the Bulls just blow out a team already?!! This is too much
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
Do we have enough offense?
Metal sharpens metal.
And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan
Forget a blow out, I just want a win.
The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.
by Ozzie Montana on Nov 11, 2009 8:01 PM CST up reply actions
I know, just sayin, every game is down to the wire
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Nov 11, 2009 8:01 PM CST up reply actions
fuckin salmons with only 5 points what a douche
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by chi_till_eye_die on Nov 11, 2009 8:00 PM CST reply actions
Salmons older, slow, average shot, not athletic vs Derozan, young, good defender, very athletic
not a good matchup
Derozan is a freaking rookie, give me a break.
The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.
by Ozzie Montana on Nov 11, 2009 8:02 PM CST up reply actions
it drives me crazy that Miller is one of our 3 point threats...
You think the Bulls will have the least amount of 3’s in the NBA by seasons end?
Nice TO Kurt!
"Then you need a center so if the ball gets stuck between the rim and backboard he can reach up and knock it loose instead of having to spend 15 minutes trying to hit it with a broom stick." – Sam Smith
On WCIU you could just hear someone in the crowd shout
Kirk go back to the WNBA!
There are really only two plays: Romeo and Juliet, and put the darn ball in the basket.
-- Abe Lemons
yea heard that
im hating his offensive game in general this game…defensively hes been solid, but damn his decision making…its never great, buts its been straight up garbage this game…
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
They said it right when the camera had a close up of his face, too
He looks straight terrible these last few games.
There are really only two plays: Romeo and Juliet, and put the darn ball in the basket.
-- Abe Lemons
This game his decisions have been bad
all around, offensively hes been horrible at pretty much everything….
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
He's still good at being a mopey Iowan
by NittanyCub on Nov 11, 2009 8:04 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
he smiles more than mopes now
the b-rad effect, right now all he is, is a defensive guard, not a pg, not a sg, dg
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
Link back up
"Then you need a center so if the ball gets stuck between the rim and backboard he can reach up and knock it loose instead of having to spend 15 minutes trying to hit it with a broom stick." – Sam Smith
Why won't you just take over Derrick?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
man noah looks gassed
Eat. Sleep. Pray. Watch chicago play.
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by chi_till_eye_die on Nov 11, 2009 8:03 PM CST reply actions
what is kirk doin' out there
forcing shots, and that last one was tipped, wasn’t it?
the name of the team is The DIAMONDBACKS
JO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Metal sharpens metal.
And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan
I love when Noah yells.
Metal sharpens metal.
And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan
haha
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Nov 11, 2009 8:06 PM CST up reply actions
whiney ass announcers
OK I don't know shit about basketball.
by SoulEater7 on Nov. 5, 2009 9:51 PM CST
I will say so far
I enjoy watching this year’s team quite a bit more than last year’s…I’ll give em that much.
"The Zen philosopher Basho once wrote: 'A flute with no holes is not a flute, And a doughnut with no hole is a Danish.' He was a funny guy."
Ugh now i really am missing bg
Salmons and pargo have both been playing like garbage, and hinrich seems only to be able to play on the defensive end, everything hes done on the offensive end has been horrible…..the bulls have no guards after derrick that can carry and offensive load…
the good thing about htis season so far, deng, and noah with rose
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
You do understand
that when you lose close games and you’re starting 2 guard had like 9 pts that it doesn’t matter how good his defense is right? I’ll take BGs 24 pts a game
Salmons holds his own on the defensive end too
There are really only two plays: Romeo and Juliet, and put the darn ball in the basket.
-- Abe Lemons
It's like they try to make up for their soft-ass team
with all this growling and grunting. “Bang on!”
Lame.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
I think he's talking about how big of "homers" these two are.
It’s really kind of pathetic.
"When a hyper-intense guy looks for ways to fire himself up, yeah, it pretty much comes out as wild eyed psycho lunacy." - Jeff Clark from C's blog on KG
by Khalid El-Amin on Nov 11, 2009 8:10 PM CST up reply actions
I don't mind them either.
OK I don't know shit about basketball.
by SoulEater7 on Nov. 5, 2009 9:51 PM CST
i tell you what if we let this lead go, we could be finished
Eat. Sleep. Pray. Watch chicago play.
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by chi_till_eye_die on Nov 11, 2009 8:07 PM CST reply actions
Especially if it happens and there's no time left
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Nov 11, 2009 8:08 PM CST up reply actions
yup
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by chi_till_eye_die on Nov 11, 2009 8:08 PM CST up reply actions
there it go!
There are really only two plays: Romeo and Juliet, and put the darn ball in the basket.
-- Abe Lemons
I guess this is 4th quarter fatigue settling in.
But, man, they had this game.
The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.
Back to Backs
4th Q fatigue
There are really only two plays: Romeo and Juliet, and put the darn ball in the basket.
-- Abe Lemons
they score here and thats all she wrote
Eat. Sleep. Pray. Watch chicago play.
P.S.
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by chi_till_eye_die on Nov 11, 2009 8:12 PM CST reply actions
I think the Bulls got scared cause they were approaching 100 points
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
jose??
thats my gardener’s name lmao
Eat. Sleep. Pray. Watch chicago play.
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by chi_till_eye_die on Nov 11, 2009 8:13 PM CST up reply actions
Fading fast.
"When a hyper-intense guy looks for ways to fire himself up, yeah, it pretty much comes out as wild eyed psycho lunacy." - Jeff Clark from C's blog on KG
they all look tired, cant blame em
Eat. Sleep. Pray. Watch chicago play.
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by chi_till_eye_die on Nov 11, 2009 8:13 PM CST reply actions
If he goes over he's gonna get blown by every time and either Calderon
or the screener will have an easy layup.
Metal sharpens metal.
And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan
we will be living with this all season
everyone is too pussy to drive for some reason
by i_like_turtles on Nov 11, 2009 8:14 PM CST up reply actions
Does anyone have a link that doesn't suck?
1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box
by fundamentallysound on Nov 11, 2009 8:14 PM CST reply actions
Here
"Then you need a center so if the ball gets stuck between the rim and backboard he can reach up and knock it loose instead of having to spend 15 minutes trying to hit it with a broom stick." – Sam Smith
by Granny Waiters on Nov 11, 2009 8:15 PM CST up reply actions
am i the only one who's getting a lot of lag on all these links?
1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box
by fundamentallysound on Nov 11, 2009 8:16 PM CST up reply actions
Calderon can get to the basket at will while Derrick couldn't get there with a road map
This is bizarre.
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
calderon always burns the bulls
by Uncle Stanley McGoober on Nov 11, 2009 8:15 PM CST up reply actions
I know, and I hate it
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Nov 11, 2009 8:17 PM CST up reply actions
this is why i say we need a post up threat.....
get easy ppoints down the strecth, free throws, lay ups, now we all have to create our own shot and nobody but rose can do that
Eat. Sleep. Pray. Watch chicago play.
P.S.
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by chi_till_eye_die on Nov 11, 2009 8:15 PM CST reply actions
Go away
be a pussy somewhere else.
Sick of tired of “game” “loss”..
grow some balls.
DA CUBS DA BEARS DA BULLS
Its no wonder your here
no one would ever wanna choose to watch this game with you.
DA CUBS DA BEARS DA BULLS
here we go again
poor free throw shooting down the stretch is killing us
Eat. Sleep. Pray. Watch chicago play.
P.S.
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by chi_till_eye_die on Nov 11, 2009 8:16 PM CST reply actions
wow fuck Taj
1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box
by fundamentallysound on Nov 11, 2009 8:17 PM CST reply actions
that's just lazy Lu
"The Zen philosopher Basho once wrote: 'A flute with no holes is not a flute, And a doughnut with no hole is a Danish.' He was a funny guy."
Fucking pathetic.
If they’re gonna shoot outside, at least shoot a damn 3.
Metal sharpens metal.
And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan
every1 scared to shoot
no post up player is killing us im telling you
Eat. Sleep. Pray. Watch chicago play.
P.S.
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by chi_till_eye_die on Nov 11, 2009 8:19 PM CST reply actions
this got depressing real fast
There are really only two plays: Romeo and Juliet, and put the darn ball in the basket.
-- Abe Lemons
Is Noah not out there?
ESPN Gamecast is showing he isn’t. Do we not care about rebounding anymore?
Where the hell is Noah??????
VDN you fucking dumb ass idiot!
Metal sharpens metal.
And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan
noah had 5 fouls
5 mins to go in the fourth
by aznlildelfin on Nov 11, 2009 8:20 PM CST up reply actions
So what?
What’s he saving him for, the last 10 seconds?
Metal sharpens metal.
And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan
no?
but did you want to lose him for sure with 5 mins to go?
by aznlildelfin on Nov 11, 2009 8:21 PM CST up reply actions
Jesus this is a meltdown...
Good job VDN, way to use those 3 remaining timeouts effectively.
"When a hyper-intense guy looks for ways to fire himself up, yeah, it pretty much comes out as wild eyed psycho lunacy." - Jeff Clark from C's blog on KG
Um...
Cavs?
"When a hyper-intense guy looks for ways to fire himself up, yeah, it pretty much comes out as wild eyed psycho lunacy." - Jeff Clark from C's blog on KG
by Khalid El-Amin on Nov 11, 2009 8:20 PM CST up reply actions
this game is making me sick as hell
What da fuck is wrong with derrick settling on jumpers like a lil bitch
jumper after jumper
LIVE BY THE JUMPER DIE BY THE JUMPER……GET A POST UP PLAYER FOR EXACTLY THIS TIME OF GAME
Eat. Sleep. Pray. Watch chicago play.
P.S.
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by chi_till_eye_die on Nov 11, 2009 8:20 PM CST reply actions
For those that were saying TT who...
This is why we need him. To play minutes and preserve our guys energy
Next thing you know if we lose this
Bulls fans everywhere will overreact and say that we wont make the playoffs again.
If this was a home game the jumper may fall better, but on the road
playing a good shooting team, you have to go to the rack!
Bulls cant even score on the worst defense in the whole league. Fuck.
1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box
by fundamentallysound on Nov 11, 2009 8:21 PM CST reply actions
no one wants the ball cuz they cant create their own shots
we need a post up player for exactly this situation
Eat. Sleep. Pray. Watch chicago play.
P.S.
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by chi_till_eye_die on Nov 11, 2009 8:21 PM CST reply actions
Kirk Hinrich just doesn't belong on the court.
His defense isn’t that great. His shooting is comical. He’s just an awful, awful player right now, and Salmons isn’t much better. Those two lost this game for us. I’d much rather have Pargo on the floor – at least he’d he’d make one or two.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
I'd rather have BG
at least he’s make 6 or 7
by Uncle Stanley McGoober on Nov 11, 2009 8:22 PM CST up reply actions
I'd rather have none of the 3.
Especially not Pargo. Bc as cold as Kirk and Salmons are on offensive, Pargo is just as cold and he’s a midget who can’t play D.
"Toney Douglas came off the bench to score 16 points in 17 minutes Saturday against Milwaukee. He finished 6-of-9 shooting, including four three-pointers."
what a sad sad meltdown.
this is a bad loss.
"Toney Douglas came off the bench to score 16 points in 17 minutes Saturday against Milwaukee. He finished 6-of-9 shooting, including four three-pointers."
LAUGH EVERYONE< I PROMISE IT"S FUNNY
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Nov 11, 2009 8:22 PM CST up reply actions
13 straight misses and counting
You're my assistant! You're supposed to back me up and go get me juiceboxes whenever I want. Now go get me a juicebox!
0-13 from the floor
Eat. Sleep. Pray. Watch chicago play.
P.S.
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by chi_till_eye_die on Nov 11, 2009 8:22 PM CST reply actions
Every shot...
Is short.
"When a hyper-intense guy looks for ways to fire himself up, yeah, it pretty much comes out as wild eyed psycho lunacy." - Jeff Clark from C's blog on KG
tired legs
Eat. Sleep. Pray. Watch chicago play.
P.S.
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by chi_till_eye_die on Nov 11, 2009 8:23 PM CST up reply actions
Too weak to drive, too weak to shoot
There are really only two plays: Romeo and Juliet, and put the darn ball in the basket.
-- Abe Lemons
heres what this will come down to every time
jump shot after jump without a post up presence
Eat. Sleep. Pray. Watch chicago play.
P.S.
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by chi_till_eye_die on Nov 11, 2009 8:23 PM CST reply actions
Not a post presence, you mean a legit scoring presence!
The Bulls players are all average scorers, you need someone to be the go to guy, last year it was B.G, this year it’s………..
Hinrich and Salmons... one of those two must go. Both for 2010 reasons and because they suck.
1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box
by fundamentallysound on Nov 11, 2009 8:23 PM CST reply actions
The last 5 mins
is where BG made his name in this league. Sure we got all that defense and height this year. Oooh!
Now you can't trade Hinrich because everyone knows he sucks.
ha!
by SoulEater7 on Nov 11, 2009 8:23 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
the way chicago teams handle biz
wherever he goes he will wind up playing like a champ, ive seen that b4
Eat. Sleep. Pray. Watch chicago play.
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by chi_till_eye_die on Nov 11, 2009 8:24 PM CST up reply actions
Meanwhile BG has uped his
career ppg avg by 4 pts!
by Dils on Nov 11, 2009 8:27 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Nah you stop it
Stop being in denial. I had to hear that too short no defense stuff for 5 years now everyone is crying because we can’t score
All I care about is ours
We got Deng back right? Taj is looking good and Noah is improved right? Our starting 2 guard scored 5 points tonight. This is the problem.
Detroit is the reverse us
They have no bigs. Ben Wallace is their most consistent big.
Ben Wallace, people.
I support the Tornado Release ... and Young Bucks.
derrick gotta stop playing like a pussy
He has been so passive, and now down by 10 with 2 min. left, he takes it to the rim.
Come on D Rose wake the fuck up
word
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Nov 11, 2009 8:25 PM CST up reply actions
Now that's critical thinking hard at work
"The Zen philosopher Basho once wrote: 'A flute with no holes is not a flute, And a doughnut with no hole is a Danish.' He was a funny guy."
by Ugh It Live! on Nov 11, 2009 8:26 PM CST up reply actions
post player
gotta get a post player, if not this will happen, like its been happening every night
Eat. Sleep. Pray. Watch chicago play.
P.S.
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by chi_till_eye_die on Nov 11, 2009 8:25 PM CST reply actions
I think we need a 2 guard who can shoot.
"Toney Douglas came off the bench to score 16 points in 17 minutes Saturday against Milwaukee. He finished 6-of-9 shooting, including four three-pointers."
Reggie Evans is not an intelligent player.
Sorry Toronto announcers. Take that crack somewhere else.
"When a hyper-intense guy looks for ways to fire himself up, yeah, it pretty much comes out as wild eyed psycho lunacy." - Jeff Clark from C's blog on KG
Holy shit.
Noah has gotten jobbed on a few of these.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
I think they called 4 fouls on Noah in this quarter alone.
"Toney Douglas came off the bench to score 16 points in 17 minutes Saturday against Milwaukee. He finished 6-of-9 shooting, including four three-pointers."
terrible way to finish a game
no scoring in the last 8 min, wtf!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Eat. Sleep. Pray. Watch chicago play.
P.S.
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by chi_till_eye_die on Nov 11, 2009 8:27 PM CST reply actions
i told you... that loss yesterday will deflate the shit out of them
D ROSE D WADE DESTINY DYNASTY
by Juan dela Cruz on Nov 11, 2009 8:28 PM CST up reply actions
yeah they looked real deflated running up 60+ points in the first half. they had dead legs and couldn't hit
a shot. it wasn’t emotional. it was the same thing we’ve seen all year from this team. we don’t have shot makers, so we’re prone to cold spells. they need to get some shooters.
1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box
by fundamentallysound on Nov 11, 2009 8:29 PM CST up reply actions
Doug said this was the defining game of the season.
if he knows shit about basketball thats not good.
ahhh BULLS back 2 SUCKING TIME... FUCK!!!!!
It shoulda been better if they sucked in the first place so we did not have unreal expectations. Fuck
D ROSE D WADE DESTINY DYNASTY
by Juan dela Cruz on Nov 11, 2009 8:33 PM CST up reply actions
cause he sucks.
1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box
by fundamentallysound on Nov 11, 2009 8:28 PM CST up reply actions
it was a good game actually
up until the 4th quarter….basically everyone looks gassed, and when toronto brought out its starters, we didnt stand a chance…they forced us to shoot, and we couldnt, noah couldnt battle for the rebounds, rose was doubled everytime he penetrated, deng was guarded well, and hinrich and salmons were garbage on the offfensive end. Our defense was keeping us alive in the third, but once we were winded, that went down the hole….
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
now where is everyone talking about how bosh suks?
the dude can score plain and simple
by Uncle Stanley McGoober on Nov 11, 2009 8:27 PM CST reply actions
Who said he sucks?
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Nov 11, 2009 8:28 PM CST up reply actions
He can get to the free throw line
"Some people want it to happen, some wish it would happen, others make it happen." - Michael Jordan
We said he is soft,
and he is. Noah dominated him tonight.
Metal sharpens metal.
And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan
Nobody said it.
But guess what: he won’t be a Raptor next year. Why? Because Toronto doesn’t really support its team. Look at the arena – empty.
They’re an average, capped out team supported by an apathetic city. But you’re right – Bosh is very good. He’ll make a fanbase very happy next year.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
de fense is the prior ity
D ROSE D WADE DESTINY DYNASTY
by Juan dela Cruz on Nov 11, 2009 8:29 PM CST up reply actions
Loook at the selfish shit from Hinrich. Had a wicked dunk to rose.
but no: pad his stats with some bullshit. He really is a douche.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
Rose would have laid it up softly.
Nobody throws down windmills in the waning seconds of an embarrassing defeat.
Metal sharpens metal.
And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan
Epic meltdown.
"When a hyper-intense guy looks for ways to fire himself up, yeah, it pretty much comes out as wild eyed psycho lunacy." - Jeff Clark from C's blog on KG
held em to under 100?
There are really only two plays: Romeo and Juliet, and put the darn ball in the basket.
-- Abe Lemons
well at least we held them to under 100
You're my assistant! You're supposed to back me up and go get me juiceboxes whenever I want. Now go get me a juicebox!
yes it appears. its the 8th game, and the window for that 4th seed promised land has oficially closed
D ROSE D WADE DESTINY DYNASTY
by Juan dela Cruz on Nov 11, 2009 8:30 PM CST up reply actions
Jose Calderon
never won shit. Never will. So he can talk all he likes. Doesn’t mean a thing.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
We couldn't break 90 against this horseshit team.
This team will not blow anybody out, each win will be ugly.
Metal sharpens metal.
And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan
yep. the Raps had the worst defense in the entire league. and they held the Bulls to 88. Christ.
1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box
by fundamentallysound on Nov 11, 2009 8:30 PM CST up reply actions
this is clear evidence what lacking a big man that can post up can do
jump shooting teams will never prosper, and thats what we are until we land that guy that can slow down the game, grind out free throws and hit open guys for the shot, thats it, expect this shit every night
Eat. Sleep. Pray. Watch chicago play.
P.S.
You've obviously mistaken me for someone who gives a shit about what you think.
by chi_till_eye_die on Nov 11, 2009 8:30 PM CST reply actions
Expect worse.....we could at least hit the 3 last year.....this year fugetaboutit
"Some people want it to happen, some wish it would happen, others make it happen." - Michael Jordan
We don't really even need a big-man
We just need Rose to stop being so effing scared, and Salmons to stop playing like trash.
by Stacey_Is_King on Nov 11, 2009 8:31 PM CST up reply actions
You think this has anything to do with a big man?
The Bulls scored plenty of points last year, and they were even worse in the post than they are this year. We don’t get to the line and we don’t make three’s. Plain and simple.
Metal sharpens metal.
And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan
no the bulls got tired....
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
which shot is that shot?
in the 4th, jose scored after the raptors already had the lead…
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
We need to look at free agency
Right now for some kind of depth.Or Vinny needs to extend his roster.
who said it
we really do have to trade salmons or hinrich for both 2010 reasons and roster reasons….also want to rid ourselves of pargo if possible…Kyle korver? Jason Kapono, we need a real outside shoooter, how about Raja bell, he plays d and can hit wide open 3s…..we also need a pf, someone who can defend and rebound…tyrus get better quick…
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
Oh well
played good enough D to win. Couldn’t make a shot. Guys were tired and it showed. Not a huge deal we just gotta beat Philly on Saturday. And if D Rose doesn’t get better soon I’m gonna start to get real nervous.
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
YES
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Nov 11, 2009 8:31 PM CST up reply actions
For real though
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Nov 11, 2009 8:32 PM CST up reply actions
People think this team would be worse off with Iverson instead of Salmons?
Give me a break
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Nov 11, 2009 8:32 PM CST up reply actions
It would be impossible to get worse guard play, so that's wrong
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Nov 11, 2009 8:34 PM CST up reply actions
Maybe we wouldn't be worse off
But it’d be just as bad.
by Stacey_Is_King on Nov 11, 2009 8:34 PM CST up reply actions
Iverson is still a fine player,
and he’s no more of a black hole than Salmons is.
Metal sharpens metal.
And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan
He will
Already mess up this team’s chemestry.And a shell of his former self unless he plays like a team player.I cant have him
So if he's a dick we let him go, it's just a one year deal, unlike Salmons
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Nov 11, 2009 8:35 PM CST up reply actions
Yea, and I think TO could help the Bears
Hell, let’s bring em both in!
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Nov 11, 2009 8:38 PM CST up reply actions
Absolutely.
"Toney Douglas came off the bench to score 16 points in 17 minutes Saturday against Milwaukee. He finished 6-of-9 shooting, including four three-pointers."
absolutely
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Nov 11, 2009 8:34 PM CST up reply actions
JACKSON! MORROW!
:)
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
And filler for Kurt
IVERSON!
"Then you need a center so if the ball gets stuck between the rim and backboard he can reach up and knock it loose instead of having to spend 15 minutes trying to hit it with a broom stick." – Sam Smith
by Granny Waiters on Nov 11, 2009 8:42 PM CST up reply actions
well, atleast i enjoyed being over 500 for a few days, back to square 1
Eat. Sleep. Pray. Watch chicago play.
P.S.
You've obviously mistaken me for someone who gives a shit about what you think.
by chi_till_eye_die on Nov 11, 2009 8:32 PM CST reply actions
gah
ugh, why cant rose just drive to the rim and split double teams .( i sound like a broken record now)
the dude isnt there yet
you cant expect him to do that all game, every game…he needs help in the form a big man
Eat. Sleep. Pray. Watch chicago play.
P.S.
You've obviously mistaken me for someone who gives a shit about what you think.
by chi_till_eye_die on Nov 11, 2009 8:33 PM CST up reply actions
Who do we have to go to for buckets in the 4th quarter again.........
That’s right, nobody. Get Iverson!
Replace a bad situation with a bad situation...sure sounds logical.
by Stacey_Is_King on Nov 11, 2009 8:33 PM CST up reply actions
Bad, we let B.G go and replaced him with nobody,we have no perimeter scoring, no go to guy offensively
nobody to attack the rim, Iverson plays team defense as he’s usually a high steal per season player, how’s this bad!
Steals is far from being good on defense
You could get 3spg and still let anyone drive past you.
by Stacey_Is_King on Nov 11, 2009 8:38 PM CST up reply actions
Iverson is known to play defense, I verson was in bad situations
He needs a team like the Bulls where when needed he can take over! He will draw fans, make plays, play hard and get buckets, what’s the debate about?
WE NEED A POST PLAYER
VERY VERY BADLY
Eat. Sleep. Pray. Watch chicago play.
P.S.
You've obviously mistaken me for someone who gives a shit about what you think.
by chi_till_eye_die on Nov 11, 2009 8:34 PM CST reply actions
we need a 2 guard who can shoot more.
1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box
by fundamentallysound on Nov 11, 2009 8:41 PM CST up reply actions
cavs a re killing the magic, and gonna take a huge lead for the first spot
Eat. Sleep. Pray. Watch chicago play.
P.S.
You've obviously mistaken me for someone who gives a shit about what you think.
by chi_till_eye_die on Nov 11, 2009 8:35 PM CST reply actions
cavs 72 mag 57
Eat. Sleep. Pray. Watch chicago play.
P.S.
You've obviously mistaken me for someone who gives a shit about what you think.
by chi_till_eye_die on Nov 11, 2009 8:37 PM CST up reply actions
ahhh da bucks
D ROSE D WADE DESTINY DYNASTY
by Juan dela Cruz on Nov 11, 2009 8:39 PM CST up reply actions
in the paint, cuz he cant score in the paint, its gonna be the same shit we have right now
Eat. Sleep. Pray. Watch chicago play.
P.S.
You've obviously mistaken me for someone who gives a shit about what you think.
by chi_till_eye_die on Nov 11, 2009 8:35 PM CST up reply actions
i have no clue, maybe amare, maybe boozer, they both have post up game
Eat. Sleep. Pray. Watch chicago play.
P.S.
You've obviously mistaken me for someone who gives a shit about what you think.
by chi_till_eye_die on Nov 11, 2009 8:37 PM CST up reply actions
You keep chanting "big man, big man, big man"
Why? All a big man is is a guy who can score somewhat efficiently. If Salmons hits his shots like he did last year, it’s the same thing.
Right, but he also doesn't cost $10+ mil a year
and require us to trade pieces.
We need someone who can score inside, from the FT line, and from the 3pt line
Amazing that we can’t do any of the top three ways to score.
"Some people want it to happen, some wish it would happen, others make it happen." - Michael Jordan
BUT THE MOTHERFUCKING DEFENSE IS THE PRIORITY, RIGHT?
FUCK YOU GAR!!! FUCK YOU FOR LETTING BG WALK FOR NOTHING!!
D ROSE D WADE DESTINY DYNASTY
by Juan dela Cruz on Nov 11, 2009 8:38 PM CST up reply actions
Correction: FUCK YOU REINSDORF!
For dumping BG.
"Then you need a center so if the ball gets stuck between the rim and backboard he can reach up and knock it loose instead of having to spend 15 minutes trying to hit it with a broom stick." – Sam Smith
by Granny Waiters on Nov 11, 2009 8:44 PM CST up reply actions
These games (and season) are on Pax
He had an offer on the table to dump Kirk for salary cap relief to Minnesota at the trade deadline and refused to do it. There are simply no shooters. The lanes will never be open for Rose because no defense will respect Salmons or Hinrich outside. He will bob and weave and settle for jumpers for most of the year. Salmons is simply keeping the space warm for Joe Johnson next year, when we are spurned by Wade, Lebron or Bosh (who I wouldn’t want at a max contract anyway). They’ll never admit it, but the Rose/Johnson/Gordon trio would have been pretty exciting.
Minnesota never wanted Kirk.
OK I don't know shit about basketball.
by SoulEater7 on Nov. 5, 2009 9:51 PM CST
Wonder why?
"Then you need a center so if the ball gets stuck between the rim and backboard he can reach up and knock it loose instead of having to spend 15 minutes trying to hit it with a broom stick." – Sam Smith
by Granny Waiters on Nov 11, 2009 8:45 PM CST up reply actions
Their GM said although Kirk
is a nice player they never entertained trading for him.
OK I don't know shit about basketball.
by SoulEater7 on Nov. 5, 2009 9:51 PM CST
I starting to jump on the organization will hold this team back bandwagon.
If they strike out this summer I think…. I’ll be sad.
Or maybe Raja Bell?
Salmons is simply keeping the space warm for Joe Johnson next year
"Then you need a center so if the ball gets stuck between the rim and backboard he can reach up and knock it loose instead of having to spend 15 minutes trying to hit it with a broom stick." – Sam Smith
by Granny Waiters on Nov 11, 2009 8:46 PM CST up reply actions
Everythings fine
we played two good teams or 1 and a half and got beat on a back to back. Not a big deal. The schedule will even out and we’ll get wins then
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Nov 11, 2009 8:39 PM CST up reply actions
i agree champ
Eat. Sleep. Pray. Watch chicago play.
P.S.
You've obviously mistaken me for someone who gives a shit about what you think.
by chi_till_eye_die on Nov 11, 2009 8:40 PM CST up reply actions
I think that was making waaaaay too much out of a game so early in the season
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Nov 11, 2009 8:41 PM CST up reply actions
i couldnt see the trade
u wanna do a recap of it text based (i think the problem is my cpu not the link btw)
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
lol, you think gs is suckers??
Eat. Sleep. Pray. Watch chicago play.
P.S.
You've obviously mistaken me for someone who gives a shit about what you think.
by chi_till_eye_die on Nov 11, 2009 8:42 PM CST up reply actions
more maybe
and not as good….
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
you guys can argue and talk about who to get all you want
none of this will change until we get a guy who slows down the pace of the game, either gets a lay up or gets fouled, and makes his freethrows. thats its…..iverson, bg, any1 else is al lthe same. get a big who can post up guys and get to the line
Eat. Sleep. Pray. Watch chicago play.
P.S.
You've obviously mistaken me for someone who gives a shit about what you think.
by chi_till_eye_die on Nov 11, 2009 8:39 PM CST reply actions
damn,
howd you know
Eat. Sleep. Pray. Watch chicago play.
P.S.
You've obviously mistaken me for someone who gives a shit about what you think.
by chi_till_eye_die on Nov 11, 2009 8:41 PM CST up reply actions
Unless they have an outside shooter, the post player won't do them any good either
The Bulls offense has regressed from previous seasons to the point where a post player is no longer their number one need.
by hitlesswonder on Nov 11, 2009 8:42 PM CST up reply actions
The 80s and 90s are in the rear view mirror
The guy you’re talking about is endangered species. Who is said player you’re talking about?
"Some people want it to happen, some wish it would happen, others make it happen." - Michael Jordan
Excellent point
The number of back-to-the-basket post players is pretty small these days. Rules have changed. Most teams score inside these days without classic post-up players.
by hitlesswonder on Nov 11, 2009 8:44 PM CST up reply actions
boozer and amare post up like champs
they get fouled and get easy points, and they also have midrange game
Eat. Sleep. Pray. Watch chicago play.
P.S.
You've obviously mistaken me for someone who gives a shit about what you think.
by chi_till_eye_die on Nov 11, 2009 8:45 PM CST up reply actions
Amare does have a midrange shot, but he's not a low post player
He’s a great finisher around the basket, which we could definitely use, but he’s not the “throw it down low into the big fella” guy you seem to be talking about.
I would hesitate to say that boozer posts like a champ, but he would probably help more than he’d hurt us.
"Some people want it to happen, some wish it would happen, others make it happen." - Michael Jordan
amare has solidified his moves so far this year
going to the jump hook option most effectively. of course, his avg is also down.
the defenses are able to double these guys more effectively now. and there’s no hakeem olajuwon either.
the name of the team is The DIAMONDBACKS
we have decent three point shooters
but a big man will open up the floor for them to shoot, why doesnt any1 get that?
Eat. Sleep. Pray. Watch chicago play.
P.S.
You've obviously mistaken me for someone who gives a shit about what you think.
by chi_till_eye_die on Nov 11, 2009 8:41 PM CST up reply actions
So you're saying we should get Howard?
"Some people want it to happen, some wish it would happen, others make it happen." - Michael Jordan
Look at the Cavs or Pacers or Blazers
They made a ton of threes last year at a high rate without a good post scorer. It’s not hard to get an open 3. We’re getting them this year, just not hitting.
an inside game will open up the outside shooting, plain and simple
Eat. Sleep. Pray. Watch chicago play.
P.S.
You've obviously mistaken me for someone who gives a shit about what you think.
by chi_till_eye_die on Nov 11, 2009 8:43 PM CST up reply actions
Gordon seemed to be able to shoot just fine with no inside game.
But I do agree with your premise. I guess the challenge now becomes who can the Bulls move Thomas for since Noah is firmly entrenched (who would have thought Noah could possibly end up being the first Bull since MJ to play in an all-star game).
by lexdiamonds0730 on Nov 11, 2009 10:32 PM CST up reply actions
Who is that big man?
"Some people want it to happen, some wish it would happen, others make it happen." - Michael Jordan
We don't have one decent 3pt shooter.
Who the hell are you thinking of?
"Toney Douglas came off the bench to score 16 points in 17 minutes Saturday against Milwaukee. He finished 6-of-9 shooting, including four three-pointers."
amare, or boozer
Eat. Sleep. Pray. Watch chicago play.
P.S.
You've obviously mistaken me for someone who gives a shit about what you think.
by chi_till_eye_die on Nov 11, 2009 8:45 PM CST up reply actions
If Boozer's so good at creating open 3s for his opponents
Why was Utah so bad at 3pt shooting last year?
Hinrich and Salmons can shoot the ball....
…but it seems that both struggle with the defense paying more attention to them. They aren’t as adept offensively at creating their own shots consistently against 1st unit players the way Ben Gordon is and it’s proving to be problematic…even Derrick Rose is suffering because he doesn’t have as much operating room on the perimeter because you don’t have to pay special attention to anyone else now that Gordon is gone and Salmons is shooting atrociously.
by lexdiamonds0730 on Nov 11, 2009 10:35 PM CST up reply actions
Oh you mean like Phoenix did last year with Shaq?
Yeah that worked out pretty well
They CAN"T SHOOT
Salmons and Kirk are, as it turns out, not good outside shooters. They miss wide open shots.
by hitlesswonder on Nov 11, 2009 8:44 PM CST up reply actions
I doubt we could shoot 30% from 3 even if our guys were wide open
I support the Tornado Release ... and Young Bucks.
T Mac?
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Nov 11, 2009 8:42 PM CST up reply actions
Yea, I like that idea
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Nov 11, 2009 8:42 PM CST up reply actions
Why not?
T-Mac is in the last year of his contract and it’d be worth a try if Salmons keeps this up.
by lexdiamonds0730 on Nov 11, 2009 10:38 PM CST up reply actions
TMAC = GARBAGE
Eat. Sleep. Pray. Watch chicago play.
P.S.
You've obviously mistaken me for someone who gives a shit about what you think.
by chi_till_eye_die on Nov 11, 2009 8:43 PM CST up reply actions
T-Mac for Kurt, Fish and Jerome James works.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yduc5cb
"Then you need a center so if the ball gets stuck between the rim and backboard he can reach up and knock it loose instead of having to spend 15 minutes trying to hit it with a broom stick." – Sam Smith
by Granny Waiters on Nov 11, 2009 8:50 PM CST up reply actions
PAAAAARRRRGOOOOOOO TIIIIIIMMMMMMEEEEEEEEE
I support the Tornado Release ... and Young Bucks.
were good at sf
i like raja bell for salmons, and then pass kirk off for, umm bogut?
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
There isn't one, at least not a good one.
by hitlesswonder on Nov 11, 2009 8:46 PM CST up reply actions
Expiring contract.
Therefore Iverson > Kurt or Fish.
"Then you need a center so if the ball gets stuck between the rim and backboard he can reach up and knock it loose instead of having to spend 15 minutes trying to hit it with a broom stick." – Sam Smith
by Granny Waiters on Nov 11, 2009 8:51 PM CST up reply actions
I think AI would be an awful backcourt partner for Rose
There’s got to be other expiring deals they could pursue
by hitlesswonder on Nov 11, 2009 8:53 PM CST up reply actions
They are panicking
8 games into the season thats why.Iverson would destroy the chemestry of this team.
Stacey, we have no good scorers.Iverson is a great scorer, he's available, how can you not use him?
The other playoff contender’s have scorer’s except Chicago!
Getting a guy who dominates the ball would be awful for Rose
Rose isn’t aggressive enough as it is, adding Iverson would be an awful developmental move.
by hitlesswonder on Nov 11, 2009 8:51 PM CST up reply actions
If Rose won't be aggressive and attack with THIS team, he never will
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Nov 11, 2009 9:05 PM CST up reply actions
He may not. I'm not convinced he'll ever be an all-star
But right now I’m not sure how much of his lack of aggressiveness is him and how much is lanes being clogged/injury/coaching.
by hitlesswonder on Nov 11, 2009 9:11 PM CST up reply actions
I blame this on coaching at this point.
I alluded to this in another post. I don’t know if VDN can push him to be great the way he needs to. Chris Paul has Byron Scott who pushed him from day one. Deron Williams has Jerry Sloan…enough said. Tony Parker has Popovich. Brandon Jennings may one day be great and a big part of it will be Skiles pushing him.
Now every great PG doesn’t have someone pushing him, but I think Rose may need that and VDN may not be that guy.
by lexdiamonds0730 on Nov 11, 2009 10:41 PM CST up reply actions
Why in god's name would Houston make that trade?
"Some people want it to happen, some wish it would happen, others make it happen." - Michael Jordan
well, theoretically
he can score more points (except so far this year, lol!)
houston gave up a lot for battier iirc, and rightly so. they’re not dumb, they know nba players can make up for scorers lost, as their guys have thus far. but if they were 40% shooters suddenly shooting 25%, they wouldn’t push the panic button 8 games into the season either.
as the bulls shouldn’t.
the name of the team is The DIAMONDBACKS
whatever, then you guys fight it out and try to see why we cant score
shooting jumpers all day…have fun
Eat. Sleep. Pray. Watch chicago play.
P.S.
You've obviously mistaken me for someone who gives a shit about what you think.
by chi_till_eye_die on Nov 11, 2009 8:47 PM CST reply actions
I agree we need a big man
To open up the 3.We have decent 3 point shooters and Rose can drive.But on the offensive end does anybody respect Noah to dominate offensively night after night?
Like i said
Its still early.And for some unknown reason we always start slow.So I’ll wait untill the beginning of nearly half the season to panic except for only 8 games.C"mon now
by T.Moore on Nov 11, 2009 8:53 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Post player not essential
If you have one (of the few), then congratulations, but you just need someone who can get people easy shots and then have people who can make them. Phoenix doesn’t have a post player, but Nash gets people easy shots. Garnett doesn’t operate exclusively in the post. The great benefit of post players is forcing double teams and freeing up shooters. Great point guard + great shooters will have the same effect. Too bad we have below average shooters. Every game will be a struggle between 88-94 points.
Most times the champs have really good big men
The Bulls big men aren’t the weakness of this team, the weakness is and will be perimeter players!
Of the last 30 or so NBA Champions, only about 4 of those teams didn't have great PFs or Cs.
late 70s Sonics
late 80s Pistons
90s Bulls
2004 Pistons
A great big man exponentially improves your chances of winning (All truly great big men except Patrick Ewing have won championships and been THE FOCAL POINT of their championship teams…Russell, Chamberlain, Elvin Hayes, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Bill Walton, Moses Malone, David Robinson, Hakeem Olajuwon, Shaquille O’Neal, Tim Duncan…and even Ewing got to the finals where he was worn out by Olajuwon). But there aren’t any TRULY great big men now. Dwight Howard is the closest thing to great, but he benefits from not having to play against many great centers. If he got his post game together he would be UNSTOPPABLE!!! As it stands, Yao Ming kills him and he sometime struggles with an old Shaq. A young Shaq would have THOROUGHLY DOMINATED Dwight Howard. How do you guys think Howard would have fared against Hakeem in his prime? Do you guys realize that Shaq’s rookie season was better than anything Dwight Howard has EVER done??? It would have been no contest.
Teams keep trying to find another way because great big men don’t grow on trees. This is why Portland took Oden over Durant (looks like a HUGE mistake now). I personally never thought Oden was going to be great so I didn’t think along those lines, but I understand Portland’s thinking with the pick.
by lexdiamonds0730 on Nov 11, 2009 10:54 PM CST up reply actions
Boston lacked a classic post-up guy as well
Playing in the post is the worst part of KG’s game
by hitlesswonder on Nov 11, 2009 8:53 PM CST up reply actions
Miami Heat.
Shaq was a nobody in the playoffs. DWade won that title almost by himself
"Some people want it to happen, some wish it would happen, others make it happen." - Michael Jordan
True....but if Dallas would have won, they would qualify as well (no low post player)
"Some people want it to happen, some wish it would happen, others make it happen." - Michael Jordan
Not in the playoffs.....he was garbage....he couldn't even do damage against us
"Some people want it to happen, some wish it would happen, others make it happen." - Michael Jordan
Refs help or not, D-Wade turned in perhaps the most impressive NBA Finals performance...
…of all time!!!
It’s debatable for sure. The only perimeter player who has turned in anything close to what Wade did against Dallas is MJ, who only turned in about 5 of the most impressive Finals performances of all time (Series against Seattle was subpar for MJ although he still averaged about 27 ppg in those finals).
by lexdiamonds0730 on Nov 11, 2009 10:58 PM CST up reply actions
He had a 3pt shooter and an elite center with him, right?
Everything I post is speculation. I have no insider information nor ideas deemed concrete enough by those who are self-elected to regulate post content.
Didn't matter who he had with him with the way he was playing.
He could have had you and I with him and that would have been all she wrote because Wade was in a zone!!!
by lexdiamonds0730 on Nov 11, 2009 11:13 PM CST up reply actions
Ok I'll rephase that
Who outside of MJ and teams WITHOUT 3 or 4 hall of famers on the team.Has won a Ship without a decent bigman
How about who's won the championship without great perimeter shooters, or even clutch shooters
ZERO!
No
I was trying to make a point that nobody would agree with anyway.But GP,Mourning,Could be it along with Shaq who was a decent player then.Whoever said Wade won by himself is crazy.Nobody can win a title by himself PERIOD.But he was a beast at those finals
Depends what you mean by decent bigman
[points to Pistons]
[points to Celtics (Garnett: not a post presence)]
I support the Tornado Release ... and Young Bucks.
Shooting jumpers are o.k if you have guys who can shoot.
Your talking about Salmons, Deng, Hinrich, and Brad Miller being your go to offensive players, yeah good luck with that. Meanwhile they diss Iverson and say how he’s not needed.
man...
you can just tell how exhausted they were at the end there.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
The talent level offensively is just SO LOW,
that they have to absolutely play their butts off every night to put up a decent score.
Green and Gold / Black and White
by OznCoop on Nov 11, 2009 8:58 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Lu played
82 minutes and Joakim 74 in the last two nights.
OK I don't know shit about basketball.
by SoulEater7 on Nov. 5, 2009 9:51 PM CST
yeah
i was gonna look up the minutes from the last two games after i posted the comment. it’s ridiculous when we got jj on the bench. we have to get him out there before the other guys collapse.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
I agree. I'd probably
be shocked if I went back and added their minutes the last two weeks.
OK I don't know shit about basketball.
by SoulEater7 on Nov. 5, 2009 9:51 PM CST
Any in season moves the Bulls make should be to shed salary
That’s really the only useful thing to do. It gives them a better shot at a decent FA and a better draft position probably as well.
The Bulls need better talent. Some retread stopgap that pops 3s might help win a game or two but it’s pointless really.
He is exactly the same player, actually he is improved.
But He Is Hurt! Give the guy a break.
Green and Gold / Black and White
the jury is still out on this one
don’t laugh, put i picked the bulls for 53 wins. we wont have a good idea about this team until about the 40 game mark
I am sticking with my 38-44 prediction.
"Then you need a center so if the ball gets stuck between the rim and backboard he can reach up and knock it loose instead of having to spend 15 minutes trying to hit it with a broom stick." – Sam Smith
by Granny Waiters on Nov 11, 2009 9:11 PM CST up reply actions
I expected more from Kurt and Fish,
now that BG is no longer holding their games back.
"Then you need a center so if the ball gets stuck between the rim and backboard he can reach up and knock it loose instead of having to spend 15 minutes trying to hit it with a broom stick." – Sam Smith
No, sarcastic.
However, other people on this board did make that claim.
"Then you need a center so if the ball gets stuck between the rim and backboard he can reach up and knock it loose instead of having to spend 15 minutes trying to hit it with a broom stick." – Sam Smith
by Granny Waiters on Nov 11, 2009 9:04 PM CST up reply actions
Gordon's abilities were tremendously under-valued by fans and management alike.
The fact that they preferred keeping Kirk is pretty ridiculous.
by hitlesswonder on Nov 11, 2009 9:08 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Well if Mario Elie counts
then I guess your definition holds
Reinsdorf still owns the team, no?
"Then you need a center so if the ball gets stuck between the rim and backboard he can reach up and knock it loose instead of having to spend 15 minutes trying to hit it with a broom stick." – Sam Smith
by Granny Waiters on Nov 11, 2009 9:05 PM CST up reply actions
You ARE new around here.
"Then you need a center so if the ball gets stuck between the rim and backboard he can reach up and knock it loose instead of having to spend 15 minutes trying to hit it with a broom stick." – Sam Smith
by Granny Waiters on Nov 11, 2009 9:11 PM CST up reply actions
Im optimistic
Bulls need some depth Noah and Deng need rest.And Vinny needs to expand and play JJ more
But none of those things are going to happen
I support the Tornado Release ... and Young Bucks.
Vinny needs to stop managing every game like its his last
Sue369 hit it on the head with the minutes for Noah and Deng. James Johnson needs to play more at both the three and the four. If he makes mistakes, then he makes them, but Deng is coming off injury and Noah is the only one rebounding on every possession.
By the way, if you’re looking for fun basketball (or how the Bulls should play), the Rockets are putting on a clinic of uptempo basketball and efficient offense against the Grizz. Their post player – Luis Scola. But they can space the floor and get up and down. Adelman is definitely an unappreciated coach.
I agree. Johnson has some ability and the Bulls should be playing for the future
Give the kid some minutes…
by hitlesswonder on Nov 11, 2009 9:13 PM CST up reply actions
Houston (both mgt and coach) actually understand what they have and strategize accordingly.
I realize Derrick is not 100%, but I’m positive VDN encourages him to take that outside shot. If Derrick was playing in Houston, I’d bet anything you’d be seeing a different Derrick.
"Some people want it to happen, some wish it would happen, others make it happen." - Michael Jordan
Watch him probe with the ball
He’s trying to get in the paint, but there’s no where to go. The Bulls run screen roll ineffectively, so both defenders end up zoning up on Rose. When you couple that with the fact that no one is shooting well right now, its easy to sag off the perimeter guys to make driving that much more difficult? What are his options then? Pass to John Salmons?
I don’t know how hurt he is, but the biggest problem with the Bulls offense remains that Rose too often gets the ball upcourt, flips it to Noah at the elbow or Salmons on the wing, and then fans to the corner, only to get the ball back under 8 on the shot clock. What can he do then? I just wish VDN, as assistant GM of the Suns (whatever that position entailed), watched how Nash orchestrated things. That’s what we should be trying to build towards, even if Rose’s skills don’t exactly match Nash.
What other coaches do well is.
have motion away from the ball as they run pick ‘n rolls (or whatever else) on the ball side. You’re right…teams run a mini zone on Derrick as he’s coming around the pick, but its easy to do that when everyone else is standing around. Opposing teams are always in perfect position to help b/c no one else is doing anything when we run that pick ’n roll.
You’d think we could figure out a way to run (at least once) that pick ‘n roll with Derrick and Brade while someone sets a screen on Noah’s man, so he can try to seal a passing lane under the basket. That might give Derrick an avenue to attack the basket if the other defenders are occupied with action away from the ball. We just don’t do much in our offense and given the shooting woes, I don’t get the sense VDN will add something creative to the offense to try to get easier looks for Derrick.
"Some people want it to happen, some wish it would happen, others make it happen." - Michael Jordan
I agree - off ball movement is essential
The greatest failing of the last three regimes is that no one has taught Tyrus how to effectively screen and crash down to the front of the rim. With his athleticism, the defenses would be forced to go with him, leaving the opposite elbows open for a weakside flash or a Rose drive and kick. As it stands, our bigs don’t set effective screens, and in Miller’s case, he almost always fades to the top of the key after setting his screen. He never actually clears anyone out of the way with a hard dive.
The simple fact is there is no offensive scheme at all except for weak two man screen roll, effectively killing Deng’s greatest strength and exploiting mismatches that Rose could create.
I was in my calculus class the other day
pondering what coach I’d want for the Bulls and Adelman was the guy I wanted. He manages personalities well and knows the game. Definitely a top 5 coach in this league. With that roster, if he can take Houston to the playoffs, or even have them finish above .500, that would be a great accomplishment.
Metal sharpens metal.
And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan
I was in my calculus class the other day, too,
but I was pondering how to get through the rest of the year without stabbing somebody.
…
I hate Calculus. So much. It’s not even hard, I just hate doing it. %#%# it.
…
But yeah! Adelman’s a good coach. You know which coach I’d want? Not VDN or Don Nelson. Otherwise … I think I’d be OK with it. Might be forgetting some awful coaches.
I support the Tornado Release ... and Young Bucks.
But Still
After 8 games im not gonna panic yet.Although its annoying we always have slow starts every since skiles.We finish strong near the end.I wont be worried unless its halfway the season and we are 10 out of the race.Thats when i panic.Its too soon now.But Vinny needs to expand his bench they were tired as hell.
Yeah. It's fair to use the back to back as an explanation, but it shouldn't be an excuse.
We’ve got lots of back to backs. So do other teams. If we can’t deal with it, the reality is we’re just not that good. If they can’t give their bench even a bit of burn, it’s gonna be tough to deal with. I thought that’s what we were drafting guys like JJ and paying princely sums to Pargo, Hunter, and Gray for.
Im not using it as an excuse
But vinny needs to expand the bench to give our guys a breather.Because they have the most back to back games.A 7 man rotation wont do it
this, especially because
we have a NBA high number of back to backs this season. vinny can’t do that to these guys.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
I hit the panic button: about Rose.
He isn’t penetrating, drawing contact, raising his game. He’s not getting better. And I hate how he’s playing mentally – facile, sloppy with the ball, at times downright lazy.
Sincere question for you and the rest of the board – do folks still think he’s got it in him to be a star?
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
hell yeah.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
If he's this way 30 games into the season
I’ll start to worry. For now, i’m merely frustrated.
by Stacey_Is_King on Nov 11, 2009 9:34 PM CST up reply actions
It's the way he got it
that has me worried. I just want him to attack the rim more. He blew by people a lot last year – this year he’s living by the jumper. It’s like he’s completely reversed what aspect of his game was complimentary and what was dominant. Hopefully this is just injury…or deconditioning…or whatever.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
I'd like to have seen an obvious step up
but…
- Dealing with injury
- Has been coming on more over the last couple games
- Has less to work with offensively
- Hasn’t been defending credibly
Yes, I expect a bit more, but I’m not freaked out yet
I think his defense has been better of late.
In fact, he’s definitely been more active on defense, so I don’t quite agree with the laziness part.
Other than the fact that (1) he’s coming off an injury, (2) his shooters can’t throw it in the ocean and its thus easier for teams to sag off the perimeter, and (3) we run a very basic offense, I think there’s reason to be optimistic about him eventually getting better.
"Some people want it to happen, some wish it would happen, others make it happen." - Michael Jordan
He's a hard worker in the offseason,
but he plays very passively. Doesn’t expend much energy rebouding or getting in the passing lanes – though tonight was a little different in that regard.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
Perhaps he plays passively cause jes a
Point Guard?Thats his job to PASS the ball. but Sal and Kirk are messing up
That's def true
about the sagging into the lane. When he has the ball there’s literally 3-4 guys in the lane. Today for instance – it’s not just that Kirk + Salmons were 3-24. They were 3-24 on wide open shots. In rhythm, wide open, easy shots.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
i was saying that same shit, like how can we win with these guys missing open shots
they are paid to hit open shots, if they arent doing that, then why collect a paycheck….its worse at the free throw line, i think if you are in the NBA, its pathetic for you to shoot below 80% (if you are not shaq, that is)
Eat. Sleep. Pray. Watch chicago play.
P.S.
You've obviously mistaken me for someone who gives a shit about what you think.
by chi_till_eye_die on Nov 11, 2009 9:44 PM CST up reply actions
Gotta be honest
I have too. He just doesn’t play with much heart. I’m not even overreacting to this start, you could see it last year too. He shys away from contact, is far too willing to settle for jumpers and just doesn’t take over games like he could. Just look at Jennings in Milwaukee, he had 32 and 9 tonight. Other than that other worldly playoff game, has Rose had one game like that? And nobody can tell me that Jennings has more talent then Rose. It’s just something upstairs, the guy plays timid. He’ll just wow you with an incredible play here or there, but he has not developed any kind of consistant game, just flashes.
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Nov 11, 2009 9:42 PM CST up reply actions
Hes not even
In his prime yet he is still going through growing pains its only his 2nd year.Even last year he mad the rookie mistakes (cause hes a rookie duh)lol but still hes very young but he will get it eventually.like someone said he doesn’t know how to take over games yet.Give him time dont rush him.
I just don't think it works that way with the truly great players
Most of them come in and are great from the jump and just continue to improve. Did CP3 have growing pains? What about Lebron or Wade? I don’t think so.
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Nov 11, 2009 9:51 PM CST up reply actions
With some it takes time
As much as I hate Kobe.It took him a while to be that guy he came from shooting airballs in a playoff game to the best 2day.Some develop fast some slow it just happens.We dont know the future.But again rose will be that guy but the coach has to do his part to make him better.Also he said that he had never taken so much time out of playing before.Give him a break he will come around.
Wade made a big jump from year 1 to year 2
But I think it’s already reasonable to say that it’s very unlikely Rose will be as good as Lebron or Wade or CP3. He’s played enough games and you can look at the numbers — he’s not there.
The question is will he be as good as someone like Billups or Deron Williams? I don’t know.
by hitlesswonder on Nov 11, 2009 9:56 PM CST up reply actions
Rose is not Wade
Like i said for some it takes awhile.I dont get why people thought after 8 games comming out of an injury that rose all of a sudden wont be a good player.Seriously??Is everyone’s confidence in him really that weak?
Garnett had growing pains
LeBron struggled his rookie year. CP3, Wade, Duncan, Jordan started great, but they also spent 2-4 years in college.
If you were expecting Rose to be the next Chris Paul, well he probably won’t be. But he still has plenty of time to become great.
He's weird in that
he gets so little out of all that athletic talent – yet he’s not a knucklehead.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
I agree with that. I think Jennings ends up being a better player than Rose
But I think Jennings has an actual coach. Maybe no one could make Rose more aggressive, but being coached by VDN for 1.whatever years is not helping him develop.
by hitlesswonder on Nov 11, 2009 9:48 PM CST up reply actions
yup
and it would be a tragedy to see that happen
Eat. Sleep. Pray. Watch chicago play.
P.S.
You've obviously mistaken me for someone who gives a shit about what you think.
by chi_till_eye_die on Nov 11, 2009 9:49 PM CST up reply actions
Honestly? He could be a star, but it seems less likely to me now than last year
In the end, I think Rose will be a good player but not elite.
Athletically, he definitely has it in him and obviously he’s still young — but I fear the Bulls will fail to develop him. I think years from now, people will realize what a terrible hire VDN was for Rose’s career. But Billups became elite late in his career, so it can happen. Of course, he was no longer with the team that drafted him.
by hitlesswonder on Nov 11, 2009 9:45 PM CST up reply actions
a good coach can develop a player without athletic ability, let alone with it
and it will be sad to see rose not develop just cuz chi decided on VDN
Eat. Sleep. Pray. Watch chicago play.
P.S.
You've obviously mistaken me for someone who gives a shit about what you think.
by chi_till_eye_die on Nov 11, 2009 9:47 PM CST up reply actions
rose is for real
just gotta give him some time to develop an all around game and his confidence, he still doesnt know that he can take over a game, prob thinks he needs to be the distributor, but once he realizes that his game will improve
Eat. Sleep. Pray. Watch chicago play.
P.S.
You've obviously mistaken me for someone who gives a shit about what you think.
by chi_till_eye_die on Nov 11, 2009 9:38 PM CST reply actions
Rose needs a scorer to be Rose.
There isn’t anyone that demands a double so teams will collapse the lanes and deny Rose the drive. Then they know the Bulls can’t make clutch shots. Once the league catches on which may be happening… wins will be harder to come by.
Exactly!
He needs Help and also hes still young you expect him to take over on his 2nd year right away comming out of an injury and haven’t play with the team for about more than a month.
They don't have the right players around him.
The point is to build around Rose well I’m not sure players like Deng and HInrich fit well with Rose. Deng can’t stretch the defense(15 footer or die) and Hinrich is inconsistent and bad.
There just isn’t anyone to help him out. He’s a point guard with a pass first mentality yet people want him to be Wade and he’s not. He thrives on Knifing in the lanes and nobody on this team can play off them because they don’t move with out the ball well.
The Bulls are asking Rose to be the guy but haven’t put the right players around him. He’s a point guard not a shooting guard the load is way too much for him to carry this team. He’s a creator and makes people better. But those people have to be good at basketball.
by SoulEater7 on Nov 11, 2009 10:04 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Rose is a POINT GUARD hes not Wade who is suppose to take over
I agree they need to build around him.Deng should stay if he keeps his play up Noah as well.And then after that get a guy like bosh or some nice CONSISTENT 3 point shooters and a scoring big man and we are straight.Its not him its some of his cast like j-Sal and hinrich and the worst out of the 2 Pargo
Nobody on the Hornets or Heat demand double teams either
Paul and Wade worked around it by passing more than ever. Noah might not have a full post game, but he can make an alley-oop 10 times out of 10.
My point is... Derrick Rose.
I don’t care what other players do. He isn’t that player. He’s a creator and he thrives off knifing to the basket. THE TEAMS IN THIS LEAGUE ARE SHUTTING DOWN THE LANES FORINCING HIM TO SHOOT JUMPERS BECAUSE NOBODY ELSE ON THE BULLS CAN MAKE MONEY SHOTS.
not only that he’s not healthy watch this. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJwBZRjNXVw
they are both great athletically. I have no idea.
But if you’re asking me what they do as basketball players I can give you a list.
You're honestly asking me the difference between Wade and Rose?
Wade is the second or third best player in the league. He can shoot over you, under you, on the side of you and on top of your head. He can make threes and he can get to the cup at will. Because people have to respect his jumper. He’s a shoot first player.
Rose is a sound player who can knife a defense and finish with the best of them. He can break players down on the dribble and create for other guys. He’s a create for my team first player.. or a point guard.
That's the thing though, Wade isn't a great shooter
Wade last year: made 43.1% of 2pt jumpers, 31.7% of 3pt jumpers, 76.5% of free throws
Rose last year: made 42.8% of 2pt jumpers, 22.2% of 3pt jumpers, 78.8% of free throws
I’d say Wade’s 3" height advantage helps him finish around the rim, though I agree Rose is awesome at it. Wade’s undoubtedly more skilled at drawing fouls, but there’s no reason why Rose can’t learn that.
They’re so similar. If defenses can’t stop Wade from getting to the hole, they shouldn’t be able to stop Rose.
Rose is not Wade PERIOD.
Hes a creator he plays selfless baskeball.he makes plays for his teamates.Thats what point guards do.i dont care about his atheleticism.Thats his job he can score as well.but his MAIN role is to be a creator.
Wade gets the benefit of the whistle.
Rose doesn’t. When Wade throws his body into the crowd under the basket he will either get a shot, a shot and one, or two fts. AKA – it is always worth it for Wade to drive. Rose gets his ribs knocked in and no call. Somewhere it will have to give. Either we get a good outside shooter who will stretch the defense and give Rose more room or Rose will have to learn to throw himself where there is no room…and hope he gets a call.
Everything I post is speculation. I have no insider information nor ideas deemed concrete enough by those who are self-elected to regulate post content.
i think rose has been getting calls commensurate with his level of aggression this
year.
"What is going on up here?"
"I never know, man."
sorry, "aggressiveness".
"What is going on up here?"
"I never know, man."
how many years is VDN contracted for?
Eat. Sleep. Pray. Watch chicago play.
P.S.
You've obviously mistaken me for someone who gives a shit about what you think.
by chi_till_eye_die on Nov 11, 2009 9:50 PM CST reply actions
I think this is it.
He only had two guaranteed years,
Metal sharpens metal.
And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan
if you get penicillin he can disappear in a week.
"What is going on up here?"
"I never know, man."
by TheMoon on Nov 11, 2009 10:22 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
The Bulls have been going in circles to nowhere since M.J. retired
Its funny how last year they needed a big man/post presence and our backcourt depth was the strength of our team, now our backcourt is our weakness because one player is gone, and our frontcourt is our strength
Rose, Tyrus and a pick for CP3. New Orleans sucks, Paul wants out. Let's do it!
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
Oh Yeah
D Rose is a second year pg who is expected to be the leading scorer for his team, a “playoff team”, That was never a good plan, cant remember that ever happening in the league especially with this low level of talent around him, we really cant criticize him when the team got worse and he has always been a pass first guard not a big time scorer like D. Wade
You make a good point.
The Bulls MUST surround Rose with more capable players. This is one reason I could not believe they got rid of Gordon. People can say what they want about Gordon, but Gordon was one guy who demanded defensive attention on every possession and kept the floor spread for Rose. Despite any struggles they may have had last year there is no doubt they would have become a truly formidable backcourt in the years to come…and seeing as though VDN still likes to trot out the small lineup, Gordon’s size would have been a non-issue.
The Bulls absolutely have to put players who complement Rose’s style around him. Gordon was one of those guys…and Tyrus Thomas is another. Seems the Bulls are more interested in running guys who can play with Rose out of town. I fear in another 2 years Rose may want to flee town himself………..
by lexdiamonds0730 on Nov 11, 2009 10:29 PM CST up reply actions
Rose for Jennings!
I support the Tornado Release ... and Young Bucks.
I'm just messing around, seriously.
I personally think that Jennings has a higher ceiling, but I’m kind of Jennings-mad. I wouldn’t do that trade.
Well … I’d think about it. Maybe I would. But eh.
I support the Tornado Release ... and Young Bucks.
Jennings did carry the Bucks over Denver tonight.
Last 15 points or something like that, 32/9/4/4.
I support the Tornado Release ... and Young Bucks.
HOLY SHIT...I just saw what Jennings did.
Just don’t tell me you were one of those folks who thought Rubio was better than Jennings. Said it two years ago and I’ll say it again now. Rubio may be a better Euro-League player but NO WAY he’ll be a better NBA player than Jennings.
Let’s hope the competitor in Derrick Rose is paying attention to what’s going on in Milwaukee.
by lexdiamonds0730 on Nov 11, 2009 11:11 PM CST up reply actions
I'm not saying I'm sane.
I traded VC for the ninth pick and picked Jennings in my fantasy league, and I’m the Nets. Who have, you know, Devin Harris.
Working so far, though. :P
I support the Tornado Release ... and Young Bucks.
I wouldn't say he has a higher ceiling.
Think game 1 against Boston for Rose. That can be the norm. Not the 36 pts, but his impact on the game. His lax approach is getting tiresome though. He waits until the late parts of the game to assert himself. When he turns it on there is NOBODY that can deal with him. That lax attitude has to stop. This is when I wish Skiles was still coaching the Bulls. He seems to be letting Jennings learn on the fly but you know Skiles is holding him accountable in a stern way. Rose needs a similar approach from the coach.
by lexdiamonds0730 on Nov 11, 2009 11:17 PM CST up reply actions
With Deng being out of my crosshairs, there is another Bull square in my sights...JOHN SALMONS!!
This is the guy many of you thought would adequately replace Ben Gordon. I respectfully say, GET THE FUCK OUTTA HERE WITH THAT BULLSHIT!!!
Salmons is hot garbage right now. Being counted on the contribute against 1st units on a regular basis on a team with playoff ambitions is taking it’s toll on Salmons. His 6’7" frame has not proven to be any more or an advantage than Gordon’s 6’3" frame was a disadvantage. Add to that the fact that VDN likes to go with the small line up and put Salmons at the 3 sometimes anyway and losing Gordon for nothing is looking worse by the day.
Having said that, I cannot believe that Salmons will continue to be this bad. It’s almost impossible for him to remain this bad. He has to be close to the bottom of the NBA in so many things right now. He absolutely must get better.
by lexdiamonds0730 on Nov 11, 2009 10:25 PM CST reply actions
I hear you Soul, but do you really think he'll opt out if he plays the whole season this way?
No way he gives up that money he’s got coming next season. I hope he picks up his play. I can’t imagine he’ll continue this bad shooting.
by lexdiamonds0730 on Nov 11, 2009 11:01 PM CST up reply actions
lex
glad you’ve quit on my guy luol for now. :D
but totally agree on salmons. he looks like shit right about now. i’m almost thinking kirk should start, and i never thought i would say that…
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
I was thinking the same thing with Kirk.
As for Luol, he deserves praise now. I told you I’d come off him when he played like he had a set. He’s playing with the kind of energy I’ve been looking for out of him and I gotta give him credit. He looks good out there. I still wish we could get more out of him, but I can live with what he’s giving the Bulls now. He’s looking like a 6yr/$72M player now and I’m happy about that. I hope he stays healthy and motivated because he is a joy to watch when he’s engaged. But when he’s not…you already know how I feel about that…LOL.
by lexdiamonds0730 on Nov 11, 2009 11:07 PM CST up reply actions
Byron Scott: first coach fired?
The Hornets look like they’ve quit on him.
im finding suns games are a necessary "chaser" for bulls games.
"What is going on up here?"
"I never know, man."
I said on a post once the Suns are 4-1...
people got mad at me. They threatened to ban me. That was after a Bulls win. Honestly people got like angry at me. Suns look good though thats all I was saying.. without Shaq.
oh i suspect they arent as good as their record, they are just a lot of fun to watch.
chicago basketball makes me sad. even when they win i dont feel that good. its just ugly stuff.
"What is going on up here?"
"I never know, man."
Rose needs a better supporting cast but more importantly, the Bulls need an experienced, knowledgable head coach.
Even though our resident retard called 3 timeouts in the 4th quarter to plot his offensive sets and strategy, the Bulls made ZERO field goals in the final 9 MINUTES and 21 SECONDS,which indicates to me, they don’t miss Ben Gordon (ave 24 ppg) at all. Who needs a scorer when Rose, Kurt and Salmons shot a spectacular .286 (10 for 35) while Miller again appeared completely gassed, going 0 for 5 in 19 minutes.
Vinny is starting to panic, not having Tyrus around anymore. Although he never got any 4th quarter minutes when healthy, I’m almost sure if TT was in tonight, the Bulls complete flop would have likely been blamed on his inability to focus and lack of basketball IQ. The circus trip hasn’t even begun, but lucky Bulls fans already get to witness the clowns sitting on the sidelines with their clipboards every game. Instead of oversize shoes and clown costumes, they’re wearing fancy suits while posing as competent NBA coaches. Maybe they ought to place a call across town and get Lovie’s advice on how to repair a sinking ship (more cover 2 or just more cover their asses?).
If you can't answer a man's arguments, all is not lost. You can still call him vile names.
Elbert Hubbard
this feels like it was written by a peter vescey acolyte.
"What is going on up here?"
"I never know, man."
new thread.
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