Thoughts on trades that work for the Bulls
by Sports2 on Nov 11, 2009 9:45 AM CST
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Consistent with my thoughts on the season, I see three sorts of trades that make sense and have some likelihood of working out for the Bulls.
1. Trade for a FA target if their team falls apart. That'd be Wade (very unlikely since the Heat look good), James (pretty unlikely, but we're hearing rumblings of unhappiness), or Bosh (They're 3-4, and looking better but not outstanding). This really doesn't need any analysis in basketball terms. The only relevant fact is if one of these guys tells his team he wants to be traded and he wants to come here. Otherwise, a deal like this ain't getting done because a team won't trade a superstar unless he is holding a gun to their head.
Still, this is the sort of deal in which I'd consider trading Luol Deng and/or, since we'd both get an upgrade in talent and offset most of the salary of the incoming star. That would allow us to, potentially, add that star (say Bosh) and then go out and make a pitch to a guy like James that he could and should come join up with a Rose, Bosh, Noah trio.
Example: Deng, Tyrus, JJ, Pick for Bosh. That, I think, still leaves us with enough cap space to make a realistic pitch for Lebron or Wade. Dynasty baby.
2. Trade for a player that combines short-run help and an expiring contract. The goal here is to clear additional cap room (by offloading Salmons and maybe punting on our "Tyrus Problem") and getting back a guy who is obviously better than those guys.
Example: Trade James/Salmons/Tyrus for Tmac and change. I'd be willing to throw in James Johnson too.
Another idea would be the much mentioned Boozer for Jerome James + Salmons/Tyrus idea. I'm a little iffier on that since I think we're weaker on the wings than up front (who'd replace Salmons in the backcourt?), but it'd probably be an upgrade.
3. Trade Trade for a younger player on a rookie deal we can afford to keep without giving up on FA dreams. And oh yeah, the youngster needs to really be able to play. Tyrus, who we can't afford to re-sign, would be the obvious bait, but if we found a team willing to take on salary next year too, that would be ideal (That is, Salmons or Kirk, perhaps).
Example: I think the early returns on James Harden are looking pretty good, but I don't see that the Thunder have immediate plans for him, and they look like the stereotypical team that is just a veteran or two away. Kirk + Tyrus for James Harden, Sean Livingston and Etan Thomas works in the trade machine. I think this would be a calculated risk, because we remove a veteran at a time we need to make a playoff push, but I strongly believe Harden would contribute immediately and we'd cover two others bases. We both create more cap space for next year (Harden will make several million less than Kirk) and we cover our SG position in the long run since it's unlikely we actually fill it in free agency next summer. Similar targets might be Gerald Henderson, Stephen Curry, Brandan Wright, Eric Gordon etc.
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You think we could afford Lebron and Bosh just by trading Deng (and TT & JJ)?
I don’t think so. I could be wrong, but I really don’t think there’s a way to do that, just by dropping Deng.
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by smash! on Nov 11, 2009 11:39 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I think it puts us in reach, but I'm not sure
The big issue would be Salmons opting out, but assuming that happens (not safe, but let’s just assume). Alternatively we could try to do the trade with Hinrich instead of Salmons, which eases the financial issues. The players themselves wouldn’t matter as much for Toronto because, again, they’re only doing this if Bosh gives them an absolute ultimatum.
Under contract for 2010 we’d have:
Hinrich 9
Rose 5.546
Noah 3.1285
Gibson 1.17
= $18.84M in salary. You also have to tack on $3.79M in cap holds. That brings us to $22.63M under the 2010 salary cap.
We don’t know what the cap will be. We’ve heard anything from $50-57M as guesses. So that gives us cap room on the order of:
Low end ($50M cap): $27.37M
High end ($57M cap): $34.37M
The max next year, for Bosh and Lebron, I think, is going to be between $15.8M and $17.1M, depending on how the cap works out (the higher the cap, the higher the max for an individual player is).
So, it’s not a 100% given that we’d be able to offer two max contracts, but we’d be extremely close. I tend to think that if it’s going to work at all, we’d be close enough because if it’s going to work at all, it’ll work because Lebron or Wade would be leaving money on the table to come here in the first place.
The scenarios would be something like:
1. We have enough cap space to re-sign Bosh and then offer Lebron/Wade the max (ideal).
2. Or, we have Bosh’s Bird rights so we offer him just a tad under the max, but he’s still getting Bird rights level raises and length. As well as the understanding that the tad he’s giving up goes to Lebron/Wade.
3. Or, Lebron makes it clear he’s leaving, so we offer Kirk up as a sign and trade incentive.
So basically, there’s several ways to go about getting it done if everyone wants to get it done.
by Sports2 on Nov 11, 2009 12:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What about the cap hold for the UFA.
Assuming its Bosh, there would be a cap hold for his deal as well…I just don’t remember how that is calculated for a player that opts out of a contract…But, I guess in one manner it doesn’t matter, because we would immediately resign that player, therefore reducing his cap hold to his actual salary.
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by Dionysus2.0 on Nov 11, 2009 12:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm liking that T Mac idea
You think he can play the 2? I wonder if the Rockets would trade him though. They’d probably have to be blown away by a deal becasue that is such an awesome expiring contract
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by Juiceboxjerry on Nov 11, 2009 12:07 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
damn is he expiring?
yeah thats fucking golden!
by SoulEater7 on Nov 11, 2009 12:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You guys are serious arent you??
Tmac is garbage, hes done, he barely plays full seasons anymore and he is getting old. That trade sucks, forget about it. None of your 3 bullets make any sense. Im sure you know that when teams trade players, their contracts have to match up, you know, equal close to what they were getting with their original team. All those trades you mentioned are totally off numbers wise. In my view, these are the players we have that are expendable…..Thomas, Hunter, Johnson, Gray and Pargo. The other players you build around. WE DESPERATELY need a post presence. From the FA avaialble, looks like Bosh and possibly Boozer. As much as i would love to see wade or lebron here, its not happening.
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by chi_till_eye_die on Nov 11, 2009 12:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd actually say
that Rose and Noah are the players to build around and everybody else is available if the price is right. Are you saying that John Salmons is an untouchable?
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by Juiceboxjerry on Nov 11, 2009 3:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hinrich is so untouchable as well
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by J Theory on Nov 11, 2009 3:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Serious? Sarcasm? Can't tell.
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by Juiceboxjerry on Nov 11, 2009 3:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
no
i wouldnt say salmons is untouchable. But I guess im thinking he will turn around this slump he is in. He has nice size for 2. We need size in the backcourt
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by chi_till_eye_die on Nov 11, 2009 4:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No, we need a good player player in the backourt.
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by Juiceboxjerry on Nov 11, 2009 4:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You don't get T-Mac because you plan to keep him
his contract expires giving us flexibilty to sign free agents.
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by J Theory on Nov 11, 2009 3:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Salmons is not going to be a Bulls next year, in any scenario.
Turning him into TMac’s expiring would be fantastic- we’d ensure Salmons doesn’t opt-in.
Salmons is relatively old (and not very good IMO). Noah and Rose are young and they are the only 2 the Bulls brass really deem untouchable. The Bulls should and will do anything in their power to get a Bosh-Wade-James and keep Rose and Noah. Doing so while keeping Rose, Noah and Deng would be a coup. Doing so while keeping Rose, Noah, Deng, Hinrich, and Gibson would be incredible.
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by smash! on Nov 11, 2009 4:53 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
what about the scenario where the Bulls twiddle their thumbs
and Salmons doesn’t opt-out?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 12, 2009 9:51 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That would suck.
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by dakoose on Nov 12, 2009 12:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He gets traded.
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by Dionysus2.0 on Nov 12, 2009 1:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
How's that work?
If he doesn’t opt out, we we’ll have to trade him before we sign a FA. But other teams will want to be maximizing their cap space and won’t want to take on Salmons’ salary.
by Sports2 on Nov 12, 2009 2:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe some team that can't land a big time FA this offseason
will want his expiring deal to come off of the boos in 11-12?
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by dakoose on Nov 12, 2009 2:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
They'd try to land a big time FA first though, before settling for Salmons
In the meantime, we’d be stuck with him and unable to sign one ourselves.
Relying on someone to jump in and take Salmons first is relying on our competition to help us for no particular reason.
by Sports2 on Nov 13, 2009 7:40 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The smart thing to do next Summer.
Would be to work out a sign and trade for a big name free agent, rather than signing them outright (like Toronto did this Summer with Turkoglu). The sign and trade will allow the Bulls to keep their MLE and LLE . Ideally, Salmons would be part of that sign and trade package that brings us a big name free agent in return. (Remember, when a team is under the cap, salaries do not have to match in a trade).
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by Dionysus2.0 on Nov 13, 2009 1:45 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
But without credibly being able to create that cap space, we don't have the leverage to do that.
by Sports2 on Nov 13, 2009 7:41 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I understand what you are saying...
I don’t know that its necessary to have that leverage…I think the only leverage needed is the star player wanting to come here…which may be the longer shot than working out the sign and trade with their team.
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by Dionysus2.0 on Nov 13, 2009 7:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And why would Salmons agree to it if it's to a team he doesn't like.
And it’s only when taking on the salary KEEPS a team under teh cap. You can’t be $10 million under and do a sign-and-trade for a MAX player w/o matching the salaries.
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by tyger1147 on Nov 13, 2009 11:04 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Salmons does not have to agree to anything.
If he opts in, the Bulls can trade him anywhere they like….
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by Dionysus2.0 on Nov 13, 2009 7:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry. Misread it.
Thought you meant he would be doing a S & T, too.
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by tyger1147 on Nov 18, 2009 5:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Then we can have Lindsay Hunter as our starting SG
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by Prevenge on Nov 13, 2009 10:02 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That would be a heck of a team...
Rose
Wade
James
Bosh
Noah.
Even if the Bulls do anything in their power, I do not see how they could land all three!
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by Dionysus2.0 on Nov 12, 2009 1:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think you read my comment incorrect...
I said they would do anything to get a Wade-James-Bosh, while keeping Rose and Noah. Meaning they would do anything to get ONE of those 3, not all of them.
by smash! on Nov 14, 2009 3:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, they'd be getting back a bunch of expiring contracts too
Keep in mind, though, that he’s supposedly going to be awesome coming out of the surgery.
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by Prevenge on Nov 11, 2009 12:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, we'll see
My thinking on that trade idea is if he’s back in the next couple weeks, he plays for a while and we see how healthy he is.
At worst, he gets us out of the “will Salmons really opt out” jam, but he needs to be healthy enough to actually play better than Salmons on the court too.
At best, I think that’s quite possible, and he solves our offensive problem by giving us someone who can score in bunches.
by Sports2 on Nov 11, 2009 12:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Is it just me?
Or do trade machine links not work anymore?
by penguin1 on Nov 11, 2009 12:15 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
if you mean because it keeps sending you to the opening screen of the TM feature, then yes.
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by TheMoon on Nov 11, 2009 12:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, that's weird... I double checked all the links before I put them in. Oh well
by Sports2 on Nov 11, 2009 12:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It's not just your post
They haven’t been working for a couple weeks at least.
by penguin1 on Nov 11, 2009 1:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
worked fine for me
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by chi_till_eye_die on Nov 11, 2009 1:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm liking number 3
Rose/Livingston
Harden/Salmons
Deng/Salmons
Noah/Taj
Thomas/Miller
Then next year
Rose/MLE
Harden/MLE
Deng/JJ
Bosh/Taj
Noah/Asik
DYNASTY!
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by stupidgenius on Nov 11, 2009 12:21 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
if the trade doesnt involve us getting a post scorer
than forget it. If we dont get a post presence, it doesnt matter what guards, forwards we give up or get. Even with this team right now, if one of the bigs, i.e. gray, all of the sudden became a great post up player, able to score easily down low or get doubled and pass out to the open shooter, we would be in contention for a ring. WITHOUT a post presence, all this trade this guy for that guy doesnt mean shit.
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by chi_till_eye_die on Nov 11, 2009 12:39 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
So really, we should probably not consider any sort of plan until we've had a chance to see this team with Aaron Gray on the court.
by Sports2 on Nov 11, 2009 12:44 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
lol
i didnt say that….im saying we need a post presence, if magically gray was one, we wouldnt need a trade at all, but since hes not, and miller is not and noah is not (yet), we need to trade for a low post scorer, thats the only way this team will have a chance
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by chi_till_eye_die on Nov 11, 2009 12:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I dunno that we necessarily need a post presence
It helps, but I tend to think that a post presence is not as required as it used to be.
What you really need is a bail out option on offense. A guy that can manufacture points when your offense doesn’t work. That can be a post player, but I think today’s NBA makes it hard on guys like that because they’re generally dependent on someone else getting them the ball first. That’s hard to do.
Like, compare good post players in the league. A guy like Carlos Boozer is undoubtedly a great asset to have, but he’s sort of one-dimensional compared to a guy like KG or Bosh who can score in the post but can, basically, take guys off the dribble, pass and shoot from range.
A guy like that, or a guy like Lebron, Kobe, and Wade can basically come outside the paint, get the ball, and still have a high likelihood of scoring.
A guy like Boozer, on the other hand, might be a nearly automatic scorer with deep position, but an average to below average one without it. And while people talk about post players as if there aren’t any, I think the truth is it’s just gotten harder to score in the post. With bigger and faster players and rule changes, it’s both harder to get position and harder to deliver a good pass.
And you need both to score in the post. The PG has to complete a difficult pass against a defense trying to deny the post player the ball, and the post player has to get position against a defense trying to deny him position. So there’s a lot that needs to go right.
In the case of just giving the ball to a good scorer, the defense is likely trying to stop him, but if he’s a talented shooter, quick to the hoop, and a good passer with good shooting teammates, there’s a limit to how much the defense can do to collapse on him. At the very least, you can’t keep the ball out of his hands, which you can often do with a post player.
by Sports2 on Nov 11, 2009 2:57 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
point well taken
And i agree with you as far its tough for post up player to get the ball delivered to him just right and all that. But when you talk about the versatility of a KG, thats pretty rare. To find a guy like him that can post, shoot outside, take guys off the dribble, etc. I mean i would love to land some1 like that, but other than KG and maybe Bosh, who else does that? So, if we have to settle for less, im just saying get a post up, inside threat. At best he gets easy points in the paint, worst he shoots free throws.
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by chi_till_eye_die on Nov 11, 2009 4:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That's just silly
Aaron Gray AND Jerome James on the court…. Two headed monster baby!
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by J Theory on Nov 11, 2009 3:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I was just thinking
do we actually want basically all of the 2010 FA to stay with their current teams? Amd I’m referring to Bosh, Lebron, Wade, Johnson and those guys. Think about it, If they all stay, I think we could quite possibly be the number one destination for Lebron. I simply do not see him going to Miami to play with Wade. And the only other competition is the Knicks and Nets. If his decision is purely based on winning then I think we can offer him his best shot. He’s have Rose and Noah and if Luol continues to play this well we could move him for another piece. Same with Hinrich. The potential of a team like that is just insane. An absolute dynasty.
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by Juiceboxjerry on Nov 11, 2009 3:16 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
If Lebron stays with Cleveland
then we have a great chance of getting Lebron
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by J Theory on Nov 11, 2009 3:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm confused
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by Juiceboxjerry on Nov 11, 2009 3:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Here's what I'd love to see:
Hinrich, James Johnson and T2 for S. Jackson, B. Wright, A. Morrow and the expiring corpse of Speedy Claxton. I think it’s a pretty fair trade, considering GS wants to dump both Jackson and Wright. And I think it would help us a great deal, both now and in the future, without crippling our 2010 ambitions. Then, hopefully, dump Salmons for an expiring…or hope he just goes away.
Leaving us with:
Rose Claxton
Morrow Jackson
Deng Jackson
Wright Gibson
Noah Miller
It would give us scoring off the bench, which we lack, and an elite three point shooter to pair with Rose. I’m also smitten with B. Wright.
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by MPG on Nov 11, 2009 3:28 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Forgot to add
that I wouldn’t mind going with Deng/Jackson at the forwards until Wright gets healthy.
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by MPG on Nov 11, 2009 3:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't see Salmons anywhere
Where does he fit in? But I love the idea of Bringing Morrow in, he’d be a nice fit next to Rose. Not sure if Jackson would be satisfied with coming off the bench, particularly on this team. And I don’t think G State really covets Hinrich antmore after they drafted Curry.
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by Juiceboxjerry on Nov 11, 2009 3:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Good point with regard to Hinrich - I'm really not sure about that.
But I don’t feel Curry is a point guard, and I think they’re looking for defense at that position, considering that both Curry and Ellis are garbage on that side of the court. As for John Salmons, I think we initially play him, until Wright is healthy. Then, when Wright can slide into the four, we send Salmons for an expiring deal and slide Jackson or Morrow into the two.
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by MPG on Nov 11, 2009 3:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I was thinking about Jackson as well
but what is his cap figure and years on the contract?
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by J Theory on Nov 11, 2009 3:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He's signed through 2013
with an escalating deal that ends at about 10 million in the last year.
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by Juiceboxjerry on Nov 11, 2009 3:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah the escalation is what bugs me.
However, next year he’s pretty much identical to Kirk…while being a far superior player, and not replicating a position we don’t need help at.
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by MPG on Nov 11, 2009 3:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I actually like the idea
but I still, despite defensive concerns, highly doubt that they would bring in a guy like Hinrich unless Monta Ellis was part of it or going somewhere else in a three way deal. It makes no sense for them to have three combo guards making that kind of money. I know they’re one of the most poorly run organizations, but that would be completely stupid
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by Juiceboxjerry on Nov 11, 2009 3:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
After they signed three combo guards
they would need two more combo guards.
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by Prevenge on Nov 11, 2009 3:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I wish I knew more about Jackson...
I love his game, but all I hear is “cancer this, cancer that.” Frankly, the Bulls could use a few more guys with moxie out there. Aside from Noah, they’re a quiet bunch…at some point we really lost some fist-pumpery…
(I kid)
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by MPG on Nov 11, 2009 3:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think all that "cancer" talk is so overrated
The best teams in the league take guys like that all the time and they win with them. Then afterwards all the doubters are sitting around wondering why there team didn’t pull off the same deal. Cancers are mostly dependant on the situation. For example, with Detroit, Ben Wallace was a franchise player, glue guy and Al Star. For us he was a cancer. Totally depends on the situation. People are way too quick to dismiss guys because of a few things they hear in the paper.
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by Juiceboxjerry on Nov 11, 2009 3:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Huh?
This might be sort of true, but I don’t see how our situation is anything close to the right one for a guy like that. So I continue to not get the fascination with Jackson.
I also dont think he’s that great in basketball terms. What does he do much better than Salmons or Kirk? He’s older and locked in for a long time.
And I dont see how Wright or Randolph have proven so much to add a guy who, in our situation, is likely to be a cancer even if he’d be afraid to mouth off somewhere else.
by Sports2 on Nov 11, 2009 4:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yea, you're probably right
Although if we were able to aquire a 2010 guy I think Jackson could have more value to the team as a jack of all trades type of guy that could fill in at a few different positions. That contract is pretty scary though
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by Juiceboxjerry on Nov 11, 2009 4:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I mentioned this in another post:
I’d like to target Kelenna Azubuike. He’s signed through next year for 3.1 this year and 3.3 next year, and is young and talented enough to have room for growth left. Per 82games’ Roland Rating, he was GS’s second best player last year and he’d be a great fit for Vinny’s “run, run, run,…..shoot with confidence” offense. He’d immediately be this team’s best 3 point shooter, an area this team is sorely lacking.
Personally, I think he’s pretty close to busting out as a damn good player, and could be a 20 ppg player on this team. He doesn’t start and as is GS is pretty loaded in the back court, so he shouldn’t be that tough to pry over here. He could be part of the next legit Bulls team for years to come.
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by dakoose on Nov 11, 2009 4:04 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
What's his defense like? Is he a 2?
(Sincere questions – I don’t know anything about him.)
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by MPG on Nov 11, 2009 4:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He's a hybrid 2-3,
though GS used him more at the 3 last year. Golden State doesn’t care much for defense, so my opinions about his defensive ability are mostly based on his size and athleticism, rather than how he’s actually performed for GS. He did average over a block per game last year, and he’s not foul prone, so I guess those are pluses. All that said, I primarily want him for his offense, though I think he’d be fine defensively here, as not many Bulls are great one-on-one defenders but have done just fine in the type of defense Vinny is running. He’s a phenomenal athlete and a pretty good rebounder for his size/position.
For all the stat lovers out there(myself included), his PER last year was 22.72(17th in the entire league). That’s pretty effing good.
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by dakoose on Nov 11, 2009 4:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
that PER of 22 is from this year.
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by TheMoon on Nov 11, 2009 5:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
How about
Luol Deng for Andres Nocioni, Omri Casspi and Donte Green?
by chapuforyou on Nov 11, 2009 4:26 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I'd rather put my head in a microwave than have Noc back here.
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by dakoose on Nov 11, 2009 4:40 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Just kidding around.
Metal sharpens metal.
And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan
by dakoose on Nov 11, 2009 5:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We could really use a guy who
knows how to party then drive after.
by chapuforyou on Nov 12, 2009 8:00 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What are
the chances of getting Rudy Gay from Memphis. I like his game and I think he’d be a good player along with Rose. Not sure of his situation though.
by wfrv5 on Nov 11, 2009 4:51 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
One dimensional scorer…he wants over 12 mill too. No thanks.
by C Smoove on Nov 12, 2009 4:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Mike Miller
How’s about Salmons and Johnson for Mike Miller. Gives us guaranteed max contract room next year, and Miller seems like an obviously better fit than Salmons. Neither are stars, but Miller’s strong spot up shooting ability seems like an obviously good match for the rest of the team.
Also, Lebron think’s Miller is the cat’s ass.
by Sports2 on Nov 11, 2009 8:48 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
That is not a bad trade...
from an on the court talent perspective, I really like the deal…But is Mike F. Miller worth going into the luxury tax for this season? Would the Bulls be willing to give up on their 16th so quickly? I somehow doubt it…
Why isn't your friendly Bulls Blogger friendly?
by Dionysus2.0 on Nov 12, 2009 1:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Miller’s shooting has gotten worse over the years, he doesn’t even want to shoot anymore.
by C Smoove on Nov 12, 2009 4:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't see a lot of evidence to support that
His only poor shooting year was last year, when he was hurt and also when he was playing on a godawful team that didn’t provide much help.
by Sports2 on Nov 13, 2009 9:30 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He didn’t even try to shoot even when he had the green light to fire away so there’s somethin goin on there…
Confidence issues? I don’t know
by C Smoove on Nov 14, 2009 3:04 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
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