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Heat 95, Bulls 87: Derrick Rose needs to be better, or the Bulls need bigger leads through 3 quarters

Pace Eff eFG FT/FG OREB% TOr
Chicago 92.0 94.6 42.0% 14.8 28.9 14.1
Miami 103.3 51.4% 29.2 22.9 19.6

(more on the 4 factors box score)


These two teams were expected to be evenly matched, and they proved to be. That is, until the fourth quarter, when the Heat had Dwyane Wade and the Bulls have nothing of the sort.

They do have Derrick Rose, who should be somewhat similar to the sort, at the very least in terms of a late-game role, but Rose didn't look right all game and he certainly wasn't taking over possessions late. His defense was also quite poor, and Carlos Arroyo lit him up so bad in the 1st half VDN used Pargo for a 5 minute stretch when the situation arose in the 2nd(I think that was the reason anyway...). Those were crucial stretches as the Bulls should've been padding their lead with Wade on the bench. When it got to the 4th quarter the Bulls only scored 17 points, with the set offense not doing much made worse by nobody really stepping up in isolation.

But such late-game impotence could be expected: If it wasn't coming from Rose, who can really be counted on to generate shots late? That may be a theme all season (hopefully with the happy ending of Rose maturing and taking charge) but what is something that could be changed is how the minutes were distributed in that 4th quarter and much of the game. Tyrus Thomas came off the court with 3 minutes left in the 3rd, and never returned. He wound up with 21 minutes (and fairly pedestrian production), including a stint with him at SF (should those even count anymore? It's not a good role for him). Taj Gibson somehow played 17 minutes, and for the centers, Noah had 30 with Brad Miller at 24. It's crazy that Taj is cutting into the supposedly Vinny-proof 7 man unit, but apparently Taj has been elevated to another toy for Vinny to play with. It's bad: Noah and Thomas need to play more.

What has been especially concerning in VDN's use of Tyrus in both this game and the Spurs game, is that he feels his best unit late is Rose/Hinrich/Salmons/Deng and alternating Miller and Noah. I can see why Vinny feels this is getting his best players on the floor, but I wouldn't say that the wings are so far above Thomas that it implores that you go in with a small lineup (unlike the Spurs, the Heat did not oblige and kept two bigs on the floor) making Noah do almost entirely handle the rebounding role. Luckily Noah is fairly awesome, and doing his best at just that...in fact the Bulls once again did alright overall on the defensive glass, so that's a promising sign. I can understand Vinny wanting Hinrich out there late, but he shouldn't be caught in scenarios where it's keeping Thomas on the bench for an entire quarter. I wonder if that's always the plan, or will it be on a game-by-game basis of sitting who's struggling, with Hinrich replacing Deng or Salmons (never Rose, no matter how bad he may look in a particular game) at times.

(And there's always the long-term effect of this minutes cut meaning losing Thomas mentally for the season, only to make it official by letting him walk in the offseason. But I don't think there's some conspiracy to make Thomas look unimportant in order to have fans accept his already-decided departure. That'd imply some organizational forethought and planning (albeit evil). I think it's just a case of VDN trying to win every game he can, and he genuinely feels that Tyrus isn't his best option.)

There were good signs before that 4th quarter though, a good offensive game from the trio of Salmons/Deng/Hinrich, shooting 21-46. Deng even showed an impressive post game (and more importantly, recognition of when to use it) when the smaller Quentin Richardson was matched on him. Though with Richardson in the game late (he hit a huge three), why was that matchup never exploited in the 4th? Hinrich once again did his best to frustrate Wade all night, and Salmons had his best game of the season shooting the ball.

But, a problem with this trio remains: no 3 point shooting. The Bulls were 2 of 12 from beyond the arc, and one of those makes was from Brad Miller. It was a major question going into this season as to whether Hinrich and Salmons could compensate for the loss of 3-point shooting with Gordon's departure, and so far they haven't delivered. Doug Thonus nails it at ChicagoNow: if they're not increasing their efficiency through 3-pointers or getting to the line (an area where Rose HAS to get better), how can this team have an above-average offense this season?

And if our shooters aren't shooting well enough to space the floor (and they're not really much of a running unit either with Hinrich/Salmons/Miller), what is the big advantage of going small to close out games?

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nice research

it could also be this is all injury-based. Once he gets healthier, he’ll feel more confident going inside.

Though it could also be teams packing it in defensively more than last year.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 1, 2009 11:59 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Best case scenario: It is injury/lack of shape due to injury and he’s at full strength by December.

I don’t want to go into worst case scenarios, but he’s easily the most valuable player on this team, both in likely production per game and future plans.

I’m not as positive on that former point, but I think by now Rose should be our best player.

by RyPac13 on Nov 2, 2009 12:02 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Someone needs to tell Vinny.

He’s STOOOOOOOOOOPID.

Metal sharpens metal.

And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan

by dakoose on Nov 2, 2009 2:54 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

It would be great

if we could play our best players for the majority of the minutes.
Alas, apparently Vinny’s brain is injured or something.

I support the Tornado Release [See: Joakim Noah]

by Prevenge on Nov 2, 2009 4:02 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

One other thing about going small

Deng should never play power forward. He has no advantage there. He doesn’t stretch the floor, so the power forward covering him doesn’t have to chase him out to the 3pt line. He has no dribble drive skills, so you don’t have to worry about him going around him. The Heat made the perfect decision to leave Haslem in. The Bulls ran 3 straight pick and rolls with Deng and Rose and each time the ball ended up in Deng’s hands for a mid-range jumper and he missed. He didn’t drive, he didn’t shoot a 3 – his one advantage is size and it was totally negated. Run that same play with Q Richardson guarding Deng and Deng can post or he has clearer a shot over the smaller player. Any way you look at it, the Bulls gain no advantage playing Deng at the 4.

by Basketball Smurf on Nov 2, 2009 12:19 AM CST reply actions   2 recs

good point

I whiffed on that on my recap. Deng couldn’t post up late because he was being guarded by Haslem.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 2, 2009 12:47 AM CST via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

TT

Another good reason to give Tyrus some burn in the 4th, even if it’s just for five minutes. Maybe he has a stretch (like 3rd against SA) where he takes over. He’s also got a better chance of stopping Haslem who killed them in the 4th.
I understand playing Kurt on Wade, and he did a good job defensively, but if you go with your “safe” line-up every time, you’ll keep it close only to lose because the other team has better closers.

by El Toro de Goro on Nov 2, 2009 10:54 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

i like the idea of tyrus in late

for the help he can give on the offensive glass. with him and noah each crashing we could get a lot of 2nd chances, but with just noah in there getting boxed out by 3 guys it pretty much ensured that our offense had to work, which it pretty clearly did not.

http://ExtendtheGame.blogspot.com

by Calogero on Nov 2, 2009 10:58 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Not to mention

Tyrus is a pretty good free throw shooter…and he is willing to draw fouls going to the basket.

Why isn't your friendly Bulls Blogger friendly?

by Dionysus2.0 on Nov 2, 2009 5:36 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Deng is Carmelo Anthony without the talent, offense , or killer instinct

Tyrus Thomas is really Stromile Swift with a retarded mask on..Think about it Same height, same school, same athletic ability, same sucky ass work ethic, same no real position having retarded statement making fucker. News flash retard. Sloan doesnt like lazy ass jump shooters who have 1 for 17 games. Fuck u stromile.

by drakedog on Nov 2, 2009 10:58 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

intresting

deng=me?

On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!

by piccolomair on Nov 2, 2009 7:38 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I would love to see the Bulls post up Deng.

If he’s going to shoot a 2 he might as well do it in the post. No sense in shooting two steps in front of the 3 point line right?

by SoulEater7 on Nov 2, 2009 12:23 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

I was more disappointed in this game than anything

Just when I thought Vinny might have become a bit more competent, he goes and screws everything up. I thought Derrick should be extra motivated to play better in this game after letting Rondo totally dominate him in the ugly Boston loss and going against Chalmers tonight, but I was wrong again.
Imagine, Deng and Salmon both had one of their better nights and we still lost, to the Heat nonetheless, I’m starting to see this Bulls team having 36-38 wins and missing the playoffs again

"You can't give up hope just because it's hopeless! You gotta hope even more, and cover your ears and go 'bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla!'"

by Teri on Nov 2, 2009 12:41 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

I can understand Vinny wanting Hinrich out there late, but he shouldn’t be caught in scenarios where it’s keeping Thomas on the bench for an entire quarter. I wonder if that’s always the plan, or will it be on a game-by-game basis of sitting who’s struggling, with Hinrich replacing Deng or Salmons (never Rose, no matter how bad he may look in a particular game) at times.

it would seem to be the plan, since each has struggled/had off games and so far hinrich and salmons have finished all three of them.

But, a problem with this trio remains: no 3 point shooting. The Bulls were 2 of 12 from beyond the arc, and one of those makes was from Brad Miller. It was a major question going into this season as to whether Hinrich and Salmons could compensate for the loss of 3-point shooting with Gordon’s departure, and so far they haven’t delivered. Doug Thonus nails it at ChicagoNow: if they’re not increasing their efficiency through 3-pointers or getting to the line (an area where Rose HAS to get better), how can this team have an above-average offense this season?
miller is no mehmet okur, if anything he is shooting too many threes. hinrich and salmons are getting good looks (except vs boston, i think), but they’re drastically under their expected %s. it is early though, just the third game. deng should be shooting that corner three, but he isn’t. it’s an easy 20 footer, a distance he shoots 2s from up top all the time.

if rose isn’t agressive, and if tyrus is stuck on the bench, the team won’t be going to the ft line much. that hurts efficiency, and they’ll need to be efficient to be average or so this year on offense. playing big (not miller and noah, the quickest bigs: tyrus and noah), defending, rebounding, and running is essential to prevent offensive suckage this year. if vinny feels compelled to use kirk with derrick, generally he better not use salmons at 3 and deng at 4.

the name of the team is The DIAMONDBACKS

by marionette on Nov 2, 2009 1:05 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

I'm wondering

why the heck Miller is rolling off screens to the 3 pt line. This is not where he has rolled to for his entire career. He rolls off into that 15-18 ft range. What’s changed?

A: Vinny’s coaching methods.

Brad might be getting instruction to roll off screens to that range.

12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.

by NBA Observer on Nov 2, 2009 10:49 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Vinny was stupid enough yet again to sit Tyrus in the 4th in favor of that

stupid Pargo, this game was winnable, they did not capitalize when Wade was sitting in the 4th. He kept Deng on the bench at the start of the 4th in favor of that fucking Pargo since he is so “important” for the Bulls. Just fuck Vinny and his small ball. This shouldve been a win. And a line up of Noah, Thomas, Deng Salmons and HInrich couldve prevented that Haslem jumpshot, and that Richardson 3. Fuck Vinny.

D ROSE D WADE DESTINY DYNASTY

by Juan dela Cruz on Nov 2, 2009 2:53 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

So I guess no one wants to hear about how we are so good as a team that we let our best player walk for absolutely nothing

Honestly without an all star on this team or anything that resembles a go to guy I have no reason to be optimistic right now…This is what happens when you try to build a team on the cheap instead of paying to win now…How many more years of this bullshit must I endure..does Ron mercer..Eddie robinson..Kornel david.. or Marcus fizer ring any bells? I bet you people predicting the 4th spot in the playoffs dont cheat on your women either..This team has been a joke for the last 11 years..I just dont know why I continue to tune in year after year to have my emotions toyed with..Jay williams..Lonny baxter..A j Guyton…Khalid reeves…Dragan Tarlac…seriously I just dont get it..Portland built through the draft and has had just as many pick as us but we still fucking suck…Someone pretty please with sugar on top tell me that something is going to happen at the trade deadline where we get someone that has a clue of what being a go to guy is…and thats not boozer either people

Tyrus Thomas is really Stromile Swift with a retarded mask on..Think about it Same height, same school, same athletic ability, same sucky ass work ethic, same no real position having retarded statement making fucker. News flash retard. Sloan doesnt like lazy ass jump shooters who have 1 for 17 games. Fuck u stromile.

by drakedog on Nov 2, 2009 3:02 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Hey, I predicted 38-44 and the Bulls missing the playoffs,

back when Jerry “Sox wins matter, Bulls profits matter” Reinsdorf said good riddance to Ben Gordon.

"Then you need a center so if the ball gets stuck between the rim and backboard he can reach up and knock it loose instead of having to spend 15 minutes trying to hit it with a broom stick." – Sam Smith

by Granny Waiters on Nov 2, 2009 4:07 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Um...

Its not like this team let an all-walk or all NBA player walk for nothing…

I actually put this game on the coach, not the players, as Vinny put the wrong the personnel on the floor in the 4th quarter.

Why isn't your friendly Bulls Blogger friendly?

by Dionysus2.0 on Nov 2, 2009 8:37 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah but they did let there best and most proven player walk for nothing

We as fans can continue to be in denial if we like but it is what it is. They paid and overvalued the wrong players. Period. Then they hired the wrong coach. This is an organizational problem and I think that’s what drakedog was saying.

by Dils on Nov 2, 2009 8:57 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Guess what

You don’t think the Bulls tried to trade Gordon, they probably tried to trade him, but they probably didn’t like any of the deals offered for Gordon, its so much we don’t know, is being Gordon leading the Pistons to victory, both teams have the same record. Its only 3 games, but Vinny needs to get Tyrus on the court, he was attacking the rim, blocking shots, playing good D, Vinny get it together!

by QUINTEN DALEY on Nov 2, 2009 10:00 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The Pistons have half a team right now.

The Bulls don’t have that excuse. They are not comparable.

We pretty much know the Bulls tried very little with BG. The last trade rumor we had was from two off seasons ago when Miami was interest in him as a restricted free agent.

Everything I post is speculation. I have no insider information nor ideas deemed concrete enough by those who are self-elected to regulate post content.

by cranscape on Nov 2, 2009 10:26 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Pistons have 1/2 a team and no more money

Pistons know they have 1/2 a team but they spent their cap space. Game over man.

Bulls tried to sign BG and Deng. Deng said yes and Ben said no.

Ben said no again and the third time the Bulls had Salmons on hand and didn’t want to bid on a highly paid 6th man.

So I don’t envy Detroit and their SG happy line up; Stuckey, Gordon, Hamilton.

by Noe_Valley on Nov 2, 2009 10:10 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Even if that was the case lets look at the top 6 teams in the league and see what they have in common

I know..They managed to keep their best players and eventually paid extra to add to their talent level and depth…How can we do that when anytime we get a decent player that has to be paid we let him go…Even with Curry and Chandler they both had holes in their game but they complimented each others weakness..But when management decided not to pay both we basically end up with tyrus in that deal..Then after the ben wallace debacle they traded chandler for a hot dog and some gummibears. Yes I know you dont need 2 big men that cant score but they still dont properly use their assets to bring in more talent because of plain and simple cheapness…Brand got traded cause they didnt want to pay him..Artest got traded cause management knew he was a headcase but kept it on the downlow..and Miller wasnt in shape back then. But if management had added to that instead of blowing it up on the cheap it still could have been a better nucleus than what we have now.

Tyrus Thomas is really Stromile Swift with a retarded mask on..Think about it Same height, same school, same athletic ability, same sucky ass work ethic, same no real position having retarded statement making fucker. News flash retard. Sloan doesnt like lazy ass jump shooters who have 1 for 17 games. Fuck u stromile.

by drakedog on Nov 2, 2009 10:29 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Well a bad deal

Is better than nothing at all in return.

Things could be worse. We could have kept Boylan.

by stupidgenius on Nov 2, 2009 10:29 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

They did let our main offensive guy

leave for nothing. And for a team that is struggling offensively (unless 6 out of 7 main guys are having a good game and the other team can’t hit their shots) and can’t hit a 3pt shot to save their life is troubling. If they had appreciated even part of what he did for us and tried to find someone to replace that this season we’d all be happier. Pargo isn’t that guy. Kirk is our best 3pt shooter (for what it is worth) and if he is on the floor it seems to mean we are playing 3 guards and small which doesn’t work in many situations since Salmons doesn’t rebound at a good clip. If they just for once admitted Gordon leaving would leave holes places maybe they would have tried to fill the holes.

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by cranscape on Nov 2, 2009 9:16 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Maybe im a pessimist but Im on a roll now

Othella Harrington, Trenton Hassell, Bryce Drew, Chris Carr, Corey Benjamin..The bulls have employed more players than any other team that once they left chicago they were no longer in the league…Do we just not know how to develop young players or do we just keep drafting players with limited skills hoping that we got lucky? Deng doesnt drive or draw fouls, Gordon was only good at shooting and absolutely nothing else..Hinrich cannot create his own shot or set anyone else up…Noc was undersized, Inconsistent, and could not stop making silly ass fouls in the 4th qtr…Curry couldnt rebound..Chandler couldnt score…Am I the only person in this forsaken world that sees until we get ownership that cares about winning first and not $$$$ every year we’ll be talking about wait til next year just like we have been

Tyrus Thomas is really Stromile Swift with a retarded mask on..Think about it Same height, same school, same athletic ability, same sucky ass work ethic, same no real position having retarded statement making fucker. News flash retard. Sloan doesnt like lazy ass jump shooters who have 1 for 17 games. Fuck u stromile.

by drakedog on Nov 2, 2009 3:24 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

The starting lineup for

your Jerry Reindorf’s 2010-2011 Chicago Bulls:

C – Joakim Noah
PF Chris Bosh Taj Gibson
SF LeBron James Loul Deng
SG Joe Johnson Kirk Hinrich
PG – Derrick Rose.

"Then you need a center so if the ball gets stuck between the rim and backboard he can reach up and knock it loose instead of having to spend 15 minutes trying to hit it with a broom stick." – Sam Smith

by Granny Waiters on Nov 2, 2009 4:16 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

If your'e proposed lineup is correct, this smells NBA Championship to me in 2010

in terms of saving money under the salary cap.

If you can't answer a man's arguments, all is not lost. You can still call him vile names.
Elbert Hubbard

by Tyrusmancrush on Nov 2, 2009 8:38 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Preach DrakeDog!!!!

I agree, Bulls Management love to overpay for one-dimensional hustle players. But didn’t we also let talented players (Elton Brand, Artest, Miller, Gordon, J.R. Smith) in their prime go?

by sadafan on Nov 2, 2009 7:23 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry I had to repost but this response was partly for you to answer about the players you named

Even if that was the case lets look at the top 6 teams in the league and see what they have in common I know..They managed to keep their best players and eventually paid extra to add to their talent level and depth…How can we do that when anytime we get a decent player that has to be paid we let him go…Even with Curry and Chandler they both had holes in their game but they complimented each others weakness..But when management decided not to pay both we basically end up with tyrus in that deal..Then after the ben wallace debacle they traded chandler for a hot dog and some gummibears. Yes I know you dont need 2 big men that cant score but they still dont properly use their assets to bring in more talent because of plain and simple cheapness…Brand got traded cause they didnt want to pay him..Artest got traded cause management knew he was a headcase but kept it on the downlow..and Miller wasnt in shape back then. But if management had added to that instead of blowing it up on the cheap it still could have been a better nucleus than what we have now.

Tyrus Thomas is really Stromile Swift with a retarded mask on..Think about it Same height, same school, same athletic ability, same sucky ass work ethic, same no real position having retarded statement making fucker. News flash retard. Sloan doesnt like lazy ass jump shooters who have 1 for 17 games. Fuck u stromile.

by drakedog on Nov 2, 2009 10:37 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Rose looks hurt to me

I didn’t see this game, but I saw the first two and he didn’t look like he was moving right to me. And the prospect that he’s injured and out there playing on it scares the Luol Deng out of me.

I mean, this guy is our franchise. If there’s something wrong with him, get him right. Don’t send him out there to win a meaningless game, save meaningless face, and totally screw us going forward.

by Sports2 on Nov 2, 2009 6:48 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

PROFIT!

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by tyger1147 on Nov 2, 2009 7:27 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I've pointed this out till I'm blue in the fingers

But that’s so myopic. Would the Bulls have had more profit from Deng playing on a broken leg last year and ending his career than they’ll get from his decision to shut himself down, get healthy, and play for the next ten years?

If the Bulls really think two or three months of shitty play on a bad wheel is better than a decade of solid and healthy play, then they’re beyond stupid.

There’s a pattern of extreme short-sightedness with this team that’s incredibly frustrating.

by Sports2 on Nov 2, 2009 8:21 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I actually think they do think like that.

Not in the profit sense actually, but in VDN’s I-must-win-every-game-future-be-damned sort of way.

OTOH, are all of the home games already sold out? Are they sold out by game-time? Maybe they think that if they have to sit Rose out for a week or two, that’s X number of home game tix not sold.

People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett

by tyger1147 on Nov 2, 2009 9:14 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

And honestly, they do need to win to have a shot of attracting a FA

But at some point they have to acknowledge reality. Better to get hot late than lose early and lose late as well.

by Sports2 on Nov 2, 2009 9:17 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

yeah, Vinny's indeed in a tough spot

if they don’t make the playoffs it’s likely they not only don’t get a FA, but VDN is canned.

What I question is why VDN thinks sitting Thomas so much (and reflexively Taj being the benefactor) is his best strategy to win games.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 2, 2009 9:43 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I think he'll only be let go if we have a horrendous start.

If we barely miss the playoffs..I can see our front office keeping him around since now he’ll have 2 whole years under his belt. God how I hate him

by diedaily23 on Nov 2, 2009 1:10 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

meh

I think the 3rd year of his deal includes a pretty meager buyout. They could make a coaching upgrade before free agency as a selling point.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 2, 2009 1:25 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

and also, it's tough to question sitting Tyrus as hurting the future

since the Bulls will likely let him walk anyway. Your 2010 Bulls!

(honestly though, can’t they nudge Vinny to say if they want to get something for Tyrus he needs to play?)

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 2, 2009 9:44 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Isn't Rose the one saying

“I’m fine. Dress me. Play me.”?

12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.

by NBA Observer on Nov 2, 2009 10:51 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

If he doesnt say that then he looks like a pussy...Hes just trying to be "pc"..You read about okafor didnt you

Tyrus Thomas is really Stromile Swift with a retarded mask on..Think about it Same height, same school, same athletic ability, same sucky ass work ethic, same no real position having retarded statement making fucker. News flash retard. Sloan doesnt like lazy ass jump shooters who have 1 for 17 games. Fuck u stromile.

by drakedog on Nov 2, 2009 10:54 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

He also said he'd lie about it if he had to in order to get back on the court

I admire the attitude, but not the intelligence of thoughts like that.

by Sports2 on Nov 2, 2009 11:31 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

He also said

i took all of my standardized tests

On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!

by piccolomair on Nov 2, 2009 7:41 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

about the injury

KC actually made a good point about the injury the night before the Spurs game. Rose had sat out of contact drills for 3 weeks and there wasnt that much improvement because he was sore the next day after running on it.At this pace sitting out another week/month only would delay the same struggles he is having now. The Bulls doctors had signed off that he wasnt risking longterm injury by playing. So the Bulls decided that the best route is to start putting pressure on the tendon and see if loosens up( This first week).

Through three games we havent seen Rose leave the game because of pain… he just doesnt have his legs under him yet, since he missed 3 weeks of training camp. I believe the reason they lost last night was because the Bulls best player is playing at 60% right now…but these losses as he works his way back are better than the losses the Bulls would have 3 weeks from now as he works his way back plus 3 full weeks without him.

by Jscho316 on Nov 2, 2009 8:57 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

This is a good point

I suppose my reality is that I’ve got little faith in the Bulls doctors, so I’m concern he’s putting himself at risk.

If his poor play is simply due to him being out of shape/rusty/whatever, then ok, I agree, we just have to suffer through it.

The question is, which situation is it? I’m no doctor, but generally pain is your body’s response when something’s not right. So what’s the deal here:

Rose had sat out of contact drills for 3 weeks and there wasnt that much improvement because he was sore the next day after running on it.

I know this is your words, not Rose’s, but I think I’ve read Rose continue to complain about his ankle being sore. And to me, that’s saying something’s not right with it.

Staying off the ankle for three weeks, then coming back and saying “damn, I’m tired and sore in general after a long layoff” is natural.

But staying off the ankle for three weeks, then coming back and saying “damn, I’m tired and sore in general after a long layof, and my ankle still feels messed up” concerns me. It makes me think there’s some untreated issue with his ankle.

by Sports2 on Nov 2, 2009 9:13 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

i could like taj

if he played bench role player minutes (10 min a game or so) but vinny is making it hard…

See if we had drafted blair it wouldve sucked, he wouldve looked great for 6 games, wouldve played 30 minutes a game and then both his knees would buckle and his career would be over….

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by piccolomair on Nov 2, 2009 7:44 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

i'm not ready tp hit the panick button yet...

But mainly because I expected this. We aren’t very good, simple and plain. Noah has been a huge positive for this team and is a reason for hope in the future. Rose is hurt but he looked disinterested to me in the Celtics game also. I don’t know why but I looked at his facial expressions during warm-ups and saw no fire, no intensity, no passion. Meanwhile KG is slobering on himself, cursing himself out, pounding his chest and shit…he damn near had a ceisure before the national anthem!?!? Fire of a champion and a great player, I guess.

Look, Boston is going to beat a few teams by 30/40 at home this season so that loss didn’t bother me too much. The SA game was awesome to see everyone (but Salmons) playing well and yeah the Miami loss sucked all around. But this is who we are…the same team as late last year minus BG. Never sounded that hot to me. Brad Miller is an old jump shooting center. He didn’t address our need for a post player. Does anyone really know who Salmons is? Then there’s the same characters and a few clowns sprinkled in (Hunter, Gray, Pargo) .500 team pretty much…plus or minus a few games.

I’m not speaking ill of Hinrich or Deng anymore. They are pretty good players with limitations, like a lot of players in the league. A quality coach/motivator would be able to get the most out of them. Its not their fault that they got paid and have contracts that restrict our ability to pursue great players. BUT, we hired Vinny, who looks totally re-effing-tarded out there. The guy looks like a dope and can’t coach worth a damn. And really I’m not even mad at him because HE SHOULDN’T BE HERE. What’s he supposed to do, turn down an opportunity and a paycheck? I wouldn’t (though I would play TT more but I’m one of those who REFUSES to give up on TT)? He knows he can’t coach and knew that he couldn’t when he was hired. But he should have NEVER been hired. The owner is the one who I’m mad at because he could care less about the fans and putting out a quality product (right now). Whether that changes remains to be seen.

I joined this blog because the last 10 years of suckage was eating away at me and I wanted to know what other fans were thinking/feeling. I have gotten my anger out and now I’m in a state of peace. We aren’t very good and that’s just what it is right now. But I will continue to watch and support because I love this team. Word to Mike and Scottie, it won’t always be like this. But for now, we must endure.

by Rosenscrubs on Nov 2, 2009 8:19 AM CST via mobile reply actions   0 recs

Last night we really missed BG.

I’m still glad we have cap room to sign someone next summer. I would do the same thing and not sign him, but we missed his clutch shooting last night.

by chgobr on Nov 2, 2009 9:00 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Our coaching staff is a sick joke but nobody's laughing. Way to save money Rieinsdork.

I was hoping concrete for brains, Vinny DelStubborno, learned something after a year of suckage under his belt, but as Bab noted, he is desperate to win every game (subconciously realizing his own incompetence, knowing without wins a pink slip is right around the corner?) and since he is apparently clueless, feels he must rely on experienced veterans (since he has no experience himself) to pull him through in the 4th quarter regardless of matchups, Wouldn’t it be less maddening if this crunch time clown’s rotations were based on observing what’s actually taking place on the court and just once, try to beat an opponent by having more athletes on the floor when the game is on the line?

Even with the bloom off the Rose (hopefully due to injury), he was terrified to pull our franchise player to avoid criticism regardless of how he was stumbling. It seems the only players he feels comfortable yanking are our two most athletic bigs, Noah and his favorite whipping boy, TT. As Vinny sees it, Tyrus is the only impediment to a Bulls win since he’s the only one whose mistakes Vinny can recognize.

The one crumb I can throw in VDN’s defense is that it’s not his fault that PaxDorf has stuffed his goodie bag with two pathetic so called guards in Pargo and our Medicare eligible Hunter. Wouldn’t it make sense to find somebody who can run the court, hit a 3 and isn’t a midget?

If I had to grade his game management and substitution patterns, it would have to be F minus to the umpteenth power….again.

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by Tyrusmancrush on Nov 2, 2009 9:11 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Lindsey

Lindsey is just a player coach

by QUINTEN DALEY on Nov 2, 2009 10:08 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

If VDN's use of Pargo and benching of TT continues, it's going to make my head explode.

I really haven’t been one to jump on the fire Vinny bandwagon, because I felt like he wasn’t really set up to succeed last year and I thought he should be given some time with this roster to figure things out. BUT, my opinion is changing quickly. There has been way too much small ball, way too much Taj, and way too much Pargo. I love BRad, but I don’t like how much and how he’s being used… And Kirk shouldn’t be out there with Rose and Salmons as much as he has been. I felt like last night’s game was lost because of the lineup rotations, plain and simple. We could have and should have won that game.

by smash! on Nov 2, 2009 10:10 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Rose is not 100%, that much is obvious.

Expecting him to make a Durant-like leap in production was a reach in the first place, as there’s only a handful of PGs that are efficient scorers as well as above-average passers.

Even if he’s hurt, this team should not look so pathetic in close games. Vinny is reverting back to his clueless form, as so often he does at the first sign of trouble. There is just so much that can go wrong with this team, and right now most of it is. The complete lack of 3 pt shooting is going to kill this offense, Salmons and Hinrich really need to pick up that slack.

The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.

by Ozzie Montana on Nov 2, 2009 10:24 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

I dont know about anyone else but I have never seen hinrich hit two 3's in a row the whole time hes been here

Shit Im really not sure Ive ever seen him hit 3 shots in a row period..Am I wrong?

Tyrus Thomas is really Stromile Swift with a retarded mask on..Think about it Same height, same school, same athletic ability, same sucky ass work ethic, same no real position having retarded statement making fucker. News flash retard. Sloan doesnt like lazy ass jump shooters who have 1 for 17 games. Fuck u stromile.

by drakedog on Nov 2, 2009 10:33 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

he's had just as many bad shooting years as good ones

last season he was fairly great at it when he returned from injury, and he had a solid preseason too. I’m not predicting his shot lost yet.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 2, 2009 10:40 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

hinrichs also made more runners and floaters this year than i can ever recall

granted, by making like 5 of them this year that more than doubles his career total of runners/floaters hit, but it’s still something. im actually less concerned about hinrich than i am about salmons.

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by Calogero on Nov 2, 2009 10:43 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm

just praying Hinrich can finish at the rim this season, I’m tired of seeing him blow crip after crip

by QUINTEN DALEY on Nov 2, 2009 3:44 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

youve obviously been only watching him

for a year then…hes made layups in the past, does no one remember the hinrich manuever?

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by piccolomair on Nov 2, 2009 7:45 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Umm the Hinrich manuever is actually Kirk dribbling down the baseline and circling back up to top of the key. Not him scoring, just 18 seconds of circular dribbling.

by C Smoove on Nov 2, 2009 8:14 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

ah

so my definition is famous i see…excellent

;)

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by piccolomair on Nov 2, 2009 9:19 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I thought it was the karate chop

that he used on Wade?

Things could be worse. We could have kept Boylan.

by stupidgenius on Nov 2, 2009 10:42 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe we can call him “Hinrich the Dislocater”!

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by cranscape on Nov 2, 2009 11:19 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe he can dislocate, or locate, Vinny's brain

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by dakoose on Nov 3, 2009 9:00 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I think with Salmons were starting to see how he plays with pressure that he didnt have on him last year when he was the 3rd scoring option

Can we call this the Gordon effect?

Tyrus Thomas is really Stromile Swift with a retarded mask on..Think about it Same height, same school, same athletic ability, same sucky ass work ethic, same no real position having retarded statement making fucker. News flash retard. Sloan doesnt like lazy ass jump shooters who have 1 for 17 games. Fuck u stromile.

by drakedog on Nov 2, 2009 10:48 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

We got Salmons going early last night.

Loved it. This was with Wade on him who you might remember was just an unbelievable defender last year in the one on one. Salmons took it to him.

We lost this game in the 2nd quarter when we couldn’t rebound at all. Taj and Miller were getting killed on the glass. Our shot selection was poor. We’re probably going to be really bad if Deng and Salmons are on the bench at the same time. We need them to produce until Rose is 100%.

Rose is still hurting. He’s rushing shots when he’s open, but they’re shots taken way too early in the clock. We’ll get a better shot if he moves the ball.

12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.

by NBA Observer on Nov 2, 2009 11:01 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Here's the obvious problem the Bulls will have for the near future

 The Bulls organisation don’t want Tyrus. They’ve spent the last two years sending mixed messages regarding him. First they want to develop him, then they say he’s got this shortcoming and that shortcoming. They’ve clearly decided he won’t be here next year and the team will invest in Rose and Noah. However Tyrus is still on the team, and what the Bulls management is going to find out is, this guy can actually play. TT being only 23 with so little organised ball experience is starting to come into his own right as the team decides they don’t want him which is the problem. As long as TT produces while he plays, then Vinny yanks him and the Bulls go on to struggloe without hium, more and more fans will take notice leading to the inevitable call to play Tyrus more. Vinny can make Tyrus ineffective by benching him or moving him to the three, either way, Vinny has to have TT not perform and the Bulls play well without him to make the end of season dismissal of Tyrus easy, bottom line!

by Mr Rhythm on Nov 2, 2009 11:24 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

You read my mind.

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by Tyrusmancrush on Nov 2, 2009 11:58 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Yup

He nailed it.

Rose isn’t himself at all and the 3 point shooting woes are huge and the Heat and Bulls are very similar.

All the thoughts I had as well

by Option27 on Nov 2, 2009 12:30 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I know it's just three games into the year,

but everything I’ve seen from Derrick tells me he’s not going to be a star. I don’t think players develop the aggressiveness that separates the great from the pretty good, and Derrick clearly is lacking. I’m pretty low on this team’s future right now.

On to different note, if I were running this team, I’d already be breathing down Vinny’s back. A coach’s job is to get the most out of the players he leads, and when it comes to the Bulls most talented players, Derrick and Tyrus, Vinny has woefully failed. Derrick needs to be pushed and be forced to realize just how unique and unbelievably talented he is. Watching him out there, it seems like he’s unaware that at any time he wants, he can break any defender down and get to the hoop.

What Vinny has done with Tyrus is more egregious, as Tyrus isn’t even getting a fair shot. He’s played well and brings much more to the table than Taj Gibson, yer he’s had long stints on the bench in both of the last two games. Vinny’s lack of coaching ability alone is enough to warrant a firing, but his inability to extract more from Derrick and Tyrus should make it a sure thing.

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by dakoose on Nov 2, 2009 12:51 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I know it doesn't matter

but I wonder if he’d feel more encouraged to take over games if they showed enough trust in him to make him captain.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 2, 2009 12:58 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

this is a great point. You're absolutely right

Rose should definitely be a captain on this team. I don’t have any problems with Deng and Kirk getting the nod, but Hunter? Hunter shouldn’t even be in the league, let alone be a team captain. Maybe it wouldn’t improve his play right now so early in the season, especially with him being injured and all, but it’s just one of those things that leaves you scratching your head like “huh?” Hiring Vinny, letting BG walk for nada, worshiping at the altar of Taj and benching Tyrus, not making Rose captain…This franchise makes some really stupid decisions.

by Rosenscrubs on Nov 2, 2009 1:11 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

fuck the captain thing

was it even known that he submitted his name to be captain? if he didn’t, then the players couldn’t vote him it could they?

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by Jaina on Nov 2, 2009 1:19 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

did he not submit his name?

Honestly, i didn’t even know that’s how it works. But if that’s how it goes and he failed to submit his name then yeah you’re right about “fuck the captain thing.” That’s on him. Closed mouths don’t get fed. I just assumed that the future of your franchise and best player would be named a team captain after his ROY season.

by Rosenscrubs on Nov 2, 2009 1:22 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

players vote for the captains

the franchise doesn’t name them. the players submit their names if they want to be captains.

obviously the PLAYERS (and rose included, who seems to really value hunter) see something in deng, hinrich, and hunter that we don’t. it has nothing to do with gar paxdorf or vinny.

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by Jaina on Nov 2, 2009 1:25 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

why are the players voting at all?

Is this that common? I’m sure some politicking could be done to make sure Rose was a captain if the Org. thought it was important. Apparently they don’t, though they sure like to talk about leadership intangibles a lot.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 2, 2009 1:27 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

exactly

why are we acting like this is some type of Democratic election? We are talking about the captain of a basketball team. If it would help Rose’s development to take on the fake responsibility of being captain, than the Bulls should have found a way to make him captain.

I mean if Paxson or Gar had gone to company men Hinrich, Deng and Hunter and told them to make sure Rose is a captain, would anyone have had a problem with that? I’m guessing Hunter could give two shits about being captain. He’s been in the league for 17 years, and seems to put most of his work in cracking jokes on the sidelines. I think he could live without the honor that is Bulls Captaincy.

Since it is obviously important that Rose take on a leadership role and come out of his shell a bit, the organization should, I don’t know, encourage him to take a leadership role and force him out of his shell a bit. Making him captain would have been an easy way to require him to step up.

Oh well, the Hunter administration promises shorter practices and better bagels in the morning. Democracy is on the march.

by Basketball Smurf on Nov 2, 2009 1:43 PM CST up reply actions   2 recs

I can't believe we have to make our franchise player "come out of his shell" a bit"

How did we end up with a super freakishly talented and athletic #1 pick with an abnormally timid and reserved personality for a professional athlete. Usually these guys are all swagged out and cocky, aren’t they? It’s like there’s always something that makes no sense going on with this team…

by Rosenscrubs on Nov 2, 2009 1:51 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

though oddly enough

one of the reasons they took Tyrus over Aldridge was because Aldridge seemed timid and Tyrus had that ‘star’ quality you talk about. Not the basketball stuff, the other stuff :)

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 2, 2009 2:26 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

We probably would have just screwed up with Aldridge anyway and found a way to make him look like crap (possibly by not having a big man coach?)

Then everyone would have been screaming about how much he sucks and we would have traded him (hopefully…as opposed to letting him walk away for nothing) and he would have had a productive career elsewhere.

by Rosenscrubs on Nov 2, 2009 2:36 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Pete Myers

is teaching the big men, WTF!!!!!!!!!!, out of all people.

by QUINTEN DALEY on Nov 2, 2009 3:51 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

nope

they have a big man coach now.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 2, 2009 4:09 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Wasn't the new big man

just as bad of a former player as Myers was?

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by dakoose on Nov 2, 2009 4:28 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

bad players make fine coaches all the time.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 2, 2009 4:54 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

True.

Metal sharpens metal.

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by dakoose on Nov 2, 2009 5:02 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

But this guy

Sidney Green, I think, was known as a talented guy who couldn’t put it together. Not a smar guy who would be good as a coach, a dumbass like Tyrus.

Things could be worse. We could have kept Boylan.

by stupidgenius on Nov 2, 2009 10:47 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

who the hell knows?

i have no idea what the common practice is. i just know that’s how they do it from previous things i’ve read.

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by Jaina on Nov 2, 2009 2:33 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

that

and i think dakoose makes a great point below.

"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"

by Jaina on Nov 2, 2009 2:35 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

why do players vote for captains

i dont know if all teams do this, but i would assume most do, because as a player i would want my team captain to be someone that was trusted not by the coaches but by me the player. Or if not me than a majority of the other players..its easier to lead a group of people when the people you are leading elect you…isnt that basic politics?

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by piccolomair on Nov 2, 2009 8:01 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Fun info:

Select
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/bk/bkn/6693987.html

Select
http://www.nj.com/nets/index.ssf/2009/10/devin_harris_embracing_role_as.html

Select
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gQYzywjra4hAfNiTZjvfBAh3j_dwD9B6M6H80

Funny answer where the guy completely forgets the forgettable Bulls
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090216145110AAFMHyR

So yeah, couldn’t find many who had news articles about them but the ones I found they were all selected. They were also usually the team’s current best player or at least a vet who had accomplished a lot in the past.

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by cranscape on Nov 2, 2009 9:31 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

While we're discussing captains,

wouldn’t Brad make for a good one? He seems to be pretty vocal, tough and experienced enough for the younger guys to look up to. He’s got an attitude and of all the Bulls he’s the only one I could see going to blows if stuff goes down, not that hold me back routine Kirk and Rondo did last year.

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by dakoose on Nov 2, 2009 10:24 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

A vet (Brad or Kirk) along with a young guy (Rose or Noah) would have been covering all bases.

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by cranscape on Nov 2, 2009 11:19 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I've got no problems with Rose and teammates valuing Hunter

But he doesn’t bring much to the team talent wise. It’s not 1999 anymore. The man is 38 frickin years old. I just don’t think he needs to be in uniform or needs to be a team captain. He can bring to the team whatever it is they value so much in a well-tailored suit. Like YFBB said though, it really doesn’t matter. As a fan, I’d like to see the best player on the team as the captain, especially when there’s three of them. I’m actually lol @ the fact that the players voted the captains. This group of characters would NOT vote the best player captain. Geez…

by Rosenscrubs on Nov 2, 2009 1:32 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Hunter isn't even on the floor to talk to the refs

and that is part of what captains do.

If the team voted for Rose it would have been a sign things were changing. Since they voted for the same old guys (the guys who should be making way for Rose) it seams like it will be more of the same for the foreseeable future.

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by cranscape on Nov 2, 2009 1:59 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

good point...

I’m guessing it’s a bit difficult to talk to refs from the ass end of the bench.

“it seems like it will be more of the same for the forseeable future”
I agree with this also. And it makes a fan like me…sad :(

by Rosenscrubs on Nov 2, 2009 2:04 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I posted an

article on this the other day. People are confused about the captains talking to the refs. The article said the captians talk to the refs before the game so Hunter would indeed be on the floor while talking to the refs.

As far as talking to the refs during the game there would be times when none of the captians would be on the floor. During game times individual players that have a question for the refs take care of it themselves.

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by sue369 on Nov 2, 2009 2:32 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

i dont know if this was just a one year thing

but in that horrible (HORRIBLE) 07 season, the bulls reported to camp and players were asked to raise their hands of who wanted to be captain, i think the players who raised their hands were deng, gordon, hinrich, wallace, and someone else (who i cant remember) and the teams voted on hinrich and deng….ugh let me look up the article

ah here we are:

In a new twist, Scott Skiles asked players who wanted to be captain to raise their hand and those would be voted on. Deng, Hinrich, Ben Gordon and Chris Duhon raised their hands, according to players. Don’t worry about Ben Wallace not raising his: He’s a lead-by-example guy who didn’t do so in a calculated move to show that this team isn’t about him being the savior. In fact, by not raising his hand, Wallace, in my opinion, showed leadership. And it’s not like the respected veteran will be a wallflower if he sees an opportunity to speak up.

http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/fullcourtpress/2007/10/captain-deng.html

also the last line in the blockquote was such a huge foreshadowing of the events to come….

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by piccolomair on Nov 2, 2009 7:58 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The whole freaking paragraph makes Baby Jesus Cry
  • Don’t worry about Ben Wallace What, me worry?
  • He’s a lead-by-example-guy Hardy har.
  • in a calculated move Well it’s true that might have made too many lead-by-example captains, since we know Deng and Hinrich, two guys who were elected, have never uttered a sentence in public rated over 20 decibels
  • to show that this team isn’t about him being the savior Not content to just show it once, Wallace proceeded to show this team wasn’t about him being the savior over and over for the next year and a half. Mission accomplished Ben!
  • In fact, by not raising his hand, Wallace, in my opinion, showed leadership. KC, what’s your opinion on Neville Chamberlain’s leadership in the Sudetenland crisis?
  • And it’s not like the respected veteran will be a wallflower if he sees an opportunity to speak up. Prophetic indeed

by Sports2 on Nov 2, 2009 8:46 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Moot point, IMO.

A real leader can lead without having an official title. If Rose is vocal and assertive, he would be with or without a meaningless C on his jersey.

Right now, with several captains already anointed, I couldn’t tell you who this team’s captains are. (Well, that’s not true, as I know Lindsey is a captain, but that’s because him being a captain is so crazy that I haven’t forgot yet.) My point is that the other guys with a C may be called captains, but they sure as hell aren’t. You can put a dress on a pig, but it’s still a pig. You know what I’m saying?

Rose doesn’t have that look, that scowl, that “I don’t give a fuck what your name is and what you’ve done, I’m the man and I’m gonna do this thing” attitude. In basketball, you can figure out who the real players are from the get go; the way they carry themselves on the court gives it away immediately.

I played pickup the other day at my old HS with a bunch of 20-25 yr old guys and some pretty solid ~16 yr old kid came in, and he was good enough to play with us, but when he got in he played scared and deferred. Ten minutes later that wore off and he started to actually play. Is Rose going to make the mental leap at any given point? It’s as if everyone but him knows he’s going to be a star. I do, the OP does, Adidas does, why doesn’t he?

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by dakoose on Nov 2, 2009 2:03 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I suppose, but why not help the kid?

just another instance of the Org. not developing guys. Give him the captaincy, instill why it’s important and what he needs to do. Maybe he takes it as extra responsibility, maybe he doesn’t. I don’t see it hurting, especially not in opportunity cost of not naming the current captains.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 2, 2009 2:58 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Sure, it could't hurt,

but I think it’s trivial. Bigger picture, I’m worried about this team. Very few players can really carry a franchise, and with each passing game I’m starting to think he won’t be one of those guys. He doesn’t take over games, how in the hell can he take over a city?(Yes, I remember game one of the Celtics series, but I also remember the other 87 games he played.) 2010 was always big for this team, but if Rose isn’t the real deal, we’re looking at another ten years of seventh seeds/basketball hell.

Metal sharpens metal.

And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan

by dakoose on Nov 2, 2009 3:34 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

For Lindsey

that C stands for coach.

by QUINTEN DALEY on Nov 2, 2009 3:55 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Remember the first couple weeks of last year?

Rose was out there giving orders and looking down his teammates when they did something foolish.

After a while that went away and hasn’t come back.

by Sports2 on Nov 2, 2009 4:08 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Really?

I don’t remember that. If that’s true, and I don’t doubt that it is, there could be some type of suppression going on here. That’s pure speculation, but if Derrick, at the beginning, was being vocal and playing the part, then it could be that he’s been told to tone it down a bit, further damning this organization.
Silver lining: Derrick has it in him, and it will come out when Vinny and co. depart.

Metal sharpens metal.

And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan

by dakoose on Nov 2, 2009 4:27 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

He's gotten used to the mediocrity of the NBA.

I don’t remember him being particularly bossy, but Derrick certainly had a lot more presence on the court when it came to huddling up the troops. Maybe the locker room gets along so cool and breezy because there isn’t any more fear of the 21 year old stud rising up and making them all look like shit. Everyone is content with being slightly above average with the occasional brilliant game thrown in to make us dream.

The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.

by Ozzie Montana on Nov 2, 2009 7:03 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The captains of this team IMO should be Kirt and Joakim

 Captains are normally the best players or the players who are the leaders of the team. They are the guys who are vocal, who make the guys pick up their play, who motivate others, who let guys know when they’re slipping. Kirt is that guy, and Noah is probably I’d assume the most vocal guy on the team who tries probably the hardest. Noah is emotional, but I rarely see him letting his emotions get the best of him, the team has been given to he and Rose, so he should be given the role of the leader. You won’t see anyone work harder than your leader, and Noah is a guy who gives his all at all times. Rose, is just not ready for it yet. He’s too quiet, too reserved, you may see Rose on the bench looking with a dead stare like absolutely nothing is on his mind. Same with Salmons, he’s too quiet, and even though Vinny loves Salmon, Johnny is just not a vocal guy. He never pulls the guys together, talks to them or calms them down, he just doesn’t have that take over “I’m the man demeanor”. Salmons is another guy you’ll see sitting on the bench, looking neutral as ever, maybe even biting his ever growing finger nails. Deng, I can’t see how he’s the leader. Maybe his age tenure, and relation with the organisation is what did it for him, but Deng doesn’t deserve the title. Who does Deng inspire to play hard or better? I’d go so far as to say Brad has more right to captain than Deng because this is a guy who the guys all appear to like, he communicates well, and he has influenced the two bigs and I’m sure the other young guys. That’s what I think, Rose isn’t ready, Deng shouldn’t be one, and Kirt is a good choice for it!

by Mr Rhythm on Nov 2, 2009 3:52 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

IMO, ther'es only one explanation for Miller playing in the 4th

From times to times, he can hit the 3 point shot. Besides, Vinny thinks that TT is not emotionally strong and has that huge love for jump shots that makes him want to shoot it in every opportunity, when he should be attacking the basket. But yesterday, he should be out there. There were moments that Noah was hustling against three guys for a rebound. The others were just standing in the perimeter praying that Jo go the rebound.

Once again, the Bulls lost the game because of Vinny and his stupid subs. Why we sign Pargo is beyond my understanding. The guy keeps missing shots and yesterday he even missed a layup, when he had another Bull in a better position to score on the fast break. Arroyo is clearly better than him.

As for Rose, I think we should be concerned. Not because he played like he did, because we all know he can do better, but because he’s clearly injured. Maybe they rushed his recovery and now he’s feeling pain again. I just hope he gets better in the next weeks. This team is not the same without him taking over games…

Jannero Pargo = Larry Hughes 2.0

by bull83 on Nov 2, 2009 12:59 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

We have no shooters. And for a jump shooting team, that is sure death. Kirk and John are supposed to be our 3 pt threats, but they are firing blanks. If one of them or preferably both can’t find their shooting touch by the end of the month, we are supremely screwed for the whole year. This is looking more and more like a 38 win team. Not time to panic yet, but D Rose looks hurt. That’s the only way I can excuse his shittty, passive play so far. Ankle injuries can linger and he’s probably still only around 80%. Maybe we should sit him for another week and just let Hinrich start at PG. This means a lot of Pargo, but we need Derrick at 100%.

Also Why is Taj playing any more than 10 minutes a game, dude looked like a poor man’s Joe Smith, now he looks like the broke man’s Malik Allen. Not a good thing folks. Tyrus playing 21 minutes….he must have fvked Vinny’s wife or somethin….

by C Smoove on Nov 2, 2009 1:05 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Wish we had Malik Allen,lol

by QUINTEN DALEY on Nov 2, 2009 3:57 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

We have no way of getting efficient, easy points. No one gets to the line ('sides Tyrus, and god forbid,

Vinny plays him). No one shoots the three ball particularly well. And we don’t have reliable post scoring. So we went from being a jump shooting team with no post presence that had pretty good shooters (Noc, Deng, Kirk, Gordon, Joe Smith, PJ Brown, etc.) to being a team that still relies on the jump shooting, but now its of the most inefficient variety (not the long ball).

Crap this team was poorly planned. I hope there’s a trade coming, otherwise this team will be uuuuugly to watch all year.

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2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box

by fundamentallysound on Nov 2, 2009 1:36 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I now feel shame for mocking Skiles' insistence on SPACING

as his be-all excuse for every substitution :)

But you’re right, they’re a jump-shooting team that isn’t particularly good at jump shooting. Our chance would be to make up for it with offensive rebounds, but oops-pow-surprise Tyrus is on the bench.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 2, 2009 1:38 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

yeah, spacing is surprisingly important. talent will still out sometimes, but when you have

pretty mediocre talent, ceteris paribus, you want that mediocre talent to be able to shoot the 3 ball or else lots of problems will be further compounded.

This seems to be the problem with the Bulls. They have a group of average to above average players, no superstars at all (Rose isn’t even close, yet, and (gulp) may never be) and their average players don’t even fit well together. I look at teams like Magic and I see what the Bulls should be. If they want to build around Rose, they need loads of cheap wings that can catch and shoot (guys like Anthony Morrow, Kelenna Azabuike, Travis Outlaw, etc.) and if they could defend a bit that would certainly help. Noah could be the Dwight Howard-lite for this team. And before you scoff, remember what Noah does on an offense. He pretty much plays glorified garbage man, which is what Dwight does. He’s like a offensive rebounding vortex sucking in whatever missed three pointers the Magic marksmen throw up. Noah’s not the same force that Howard is, but he’s a similar player in terms of the types of things that he does. He’s an offensive rebounding savant and an improving finisher. The biggest difference, of course, is that Dwight’s overall strength forces teams to double him down low and allows him to finish just about every time he gets the offensive rebound, whereas Joakim slaps the ball off the backboard a lot. But the general point is the same, when you have a guard like Rose who wants to distribute (even if his vision is somewhat limited) then you need to give him guys who can shoot. It’s especially nice when you have a force on the offensive glass to make the cost of shooting so many threes reduced.

Hinrich is supposed to be one of those catch and shoot / defend guys, but he still wants to control the ball too much. He’s played PG for his entire career, so asking him to completely convert to a catch and shoot wing is a pretty difficult thing to do, but if the Bulls are going to be successful, he needs to be doing more of that and Derrick needs to be doing more creating.

And I hate to do it to him, because he’s played fairly well so far this year, but I think it’s becoming more and more apparent that Luol Deng’s game is obsolete in the modern NBA that requires wings to take and make lots of threes. He MUST add the three point shot, otherwise he will always be a huge impediment to the spacing of the team, especially when paired with three other players on the court who can’t shoot the three (Derrick, Tyrus, and Noah). Having lineups out there when you have just one 3 point threat and that threat is captain Kirk or Johnny Fish just doesn’t cut it in today’s NBA.

All in all, barring a major trade, I think the Bulls are going to be well below average in offensive efficiency this year. They might be as bad as 20-25th in the league. It’s going to be a long, ugly year.

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2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box

by fundamentallysound on Nov 2, 2009 1:58 PM CST up reply actions   2 recs

like it.

I think the fact that their wings aren’t particularly athletic is even more reason to rely on the bigs more.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 2, 2009 3:00 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

It's like baseball.

You can live with not having power hitters at power hitting positions like 1B and LF if you have Chase Utley at 2B and Alex Rodriguez at SS. Of course, those guys would be your best players that you “rely on”.

You can live with not having the most athletic SG and SF (typically the most athletic positions) if you have the most athletic PG and PF in the NBA with a C that’s in the top 2 or 3 at his position as well. The Bulls could get away with having Mike Millers and Peja Stojakoviches in their prime (and even Ben Gordon if you want to refer to his lack of height as hindering his athleticism) if they had a good offensive coach.

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by tyger1147 on Nov 2, 2009 4:20 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Someone like say... Flip Saunders!

1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box

by fundamentallysound on Nov 2, 2009 4:26 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

aye

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by tyger1147 on Nov 2, 2009 4:57 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

is dengs lack of 3pt shooting is that huge a deal?

if deng is a threat out to 18-20 ft and the PF is a threat out to 15-17ft. the spacing should be good enough for a really good creator to get in the lane. look at miami, they were pretty weak at the 3 ball, and that never seemed to stop wade from doing what he wanted. look at philly too, an awful 3pt team last year, but i never felt this prevented iguodala from getting to the rim. ditto for utah and deron williams. if derrick just plays like hes supposed to, and if the team starts hitting open shots at an average clip, the team should be fine.

"What is going on up here?"
"I never know, man."

by TheMoon on Nov 2, 2009 2:39 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Philly and Miami were both really bad offensive teams last season

and both have made moves to increase the 3pt shooting in their lineups. Miami has added QRich and Beasley to their starting line up, Philly traded for Korver. Even if individually Rose is able to get out of his funk, its not going to change the fact that the Bulls collectively will be a bad offensive team.

And if the Bulls require Rose to play like Wade to be competitive, the Bulls are in more trouble than any of us know.

Utah is a different story. They have more 3 pt shooting (Korver and Okur) and more inside scoring (Boozer) than the Bulls have – plus they are a great offensive rebound team.

by Basketball Smurf on Nov 2, 2009 2:48 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

the point was not that you should make a team of poor shooters around derrick,

or that you can be a great offensive team with weak shooters, the point was only about derrick getting to the rim, which he should be able to do if iguodala, wade and williams can in their situations.

"What is going on up here?"
"I never know, man."

by TheMoon on Nov 2, 2009 3:51 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

they're older than he is

Rose might be able to in 3 or 4 years. Why not make it easier now, though?

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by tyger1147 on Nov 2, 2009 4:21 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Not far enough out.

The Heat were guarding Deng with one foot in the paint. Meaning Deng wasn’t spacing anything out for the team.

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by cranscape on Nov 2, 2009 2:50 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

yes, the one step difference does make that big of a difference, because

in the NBA split second differences matter, and if a defender can play an extra step towards the paint and away from Deng, because Deng isn’t behind the three point line, but is a step inside it, it matters. Especially when compounded by the fact that we don’t have a stretch 4, either (despite Tyrus’s best efforts). It allows defenses to simply pack in around the painted area, while still easily contesting whatever long jumpers Luol or Tyrus or whoever, throws up.

1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box

by fundamentallysound on Nov 2, 2009 4:11 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Ben Gordon was good at spacing the floor so Rose would have room to drive. :(

I now feel shame for mocking Skiles’ insistence on SPACING

"Then you need a center so if the ball gets stuck between the rim and backboard he can reach up and knock it loose instead of having to spend 15 minutes trying to hit it with a broom stick." – Sam Smith

by Granny Waiters on Nov 2, 2009 8:55 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

It drew double teams

creating 2nd chance opportunities off Gordon’s 54% bricks. It’s one less rebounder for them.

12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.

by NBA Observer on Nov 2, 2009 11:07 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

9-1

That’s the combined record of our three opponents so far this year. Boston and San Antonio are both 55+ win teams and both have an excellent chance to make the finals. Miami is stronger than people think and they were playing at home while the Bulls were playing their 3rd game in 4 days. Rose is clearly still not 100% and you can’t expect someone to be game fit when they haven’t played competitive minutes in over a month.

Yes, there are some things to be concerned about but guess what? It’s probably going to get worse before it gets better. 10 of our first 15 games are on the road and 10 of the first 15 are against teams that were in the playoffs last year. Rose will probably require a few more weeks before he’s back to peak conditioning. If after these first 15 games we’re equal to or better than 6-9 it will have been a decent start.

Let’s get a little further in the season before we start hyperventilating.

by patagonia on Nov 2, 2009 1:37 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

the only people hyperventilating are those who expected them to be better

you’re right, there will be a lot of losses early. I’m more concerned with how they look than the result.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 2, 2009 1:39 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

also, if pargo sits

letting tyrus have those 6 minutes, and 4 of miller’s, they could be 2-1.

the name of the team is The DIAMONDBACKS

by marionette on Nov 2, 2009 5:16 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Losing is one thing. How we lose is another.

How we are losing is what is bothering most of us I think. The holes we see in our game are holes that will be there no matter who we play. Three games in a row we missed wide open threes. It wasn’t the defense making us miss them so the chances are we’ll miss them against any team is pretty high.

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by cranscape on Nov 2, 2009 2:07 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with what Matt said. I don't mind them being 1-2. I even pegged 6-9 as my goal

for them through 15 games. Any better than that was and is gravy. The problem I’m having is with HOW they’ve lost the games. They look like absolute crap on offense. The only win was on a night when literally everyone (not named Salmons) played well. We had 6 people in double figures and Brad had 9, too. Even with that crazy balanced output, the Bulls managed just a 7 point win (in fairness, it was not this close, but still). I just don’t see how this team scores enough on a routine basis to win games. Conditions have to be seemingly perfect for them to produce enough points to win. It’s bad, and I don’t see how it gets a whole lot better, unless Derrick steps it up a ridiculous amount.

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2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box

by fundamentallysound on Nov 2, 2009 2:09 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think we'll be top 10 offensively

but so much of our offense depends on Derrick Rose, and he’s clearly not healthy. Dude was in a boot a week ago, and you could argue that he shouldn’t be playing right now.

With a healthy Rose, and with 36% 3pt shooting (instead of our current 16%), I think we’ll be okay. After all, we’ve played 3 good defenses, and even with the injury/awful shooting, we were three minutes away from being 2-1.

by YaoPau on Nov 2, 2009 6:09 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I know you're a glass half full kind of guy, but I really don't see it with Rose.

He’s still atrocious on defense (and it’s not just because of his injury, his awareness on screens on the PnR is still baaaad). He still doesn’t have any confidence to shoot the 3 pt shot. He still doesn’t take over in critical moments, seeming content to just stand in the corner while the other knuckleheads pass the ball around for 20 seconds before forcing a bad shot. And he’s still not getting to the line. He hasn’t corrected any of his flaws from last year.

I also see little reason to suspect we’ll shoot 36% from 3 as a team this year. The Bulls shot 38% from last year with BG taking the largest chunk of 3s for the team and getting 79 makes from Noce on 37.8%. Both those guys are gone and haven’t been replaced by guys that can shoot 3s for volume like that. They also got great shooting years from Salmons (half year) and Hinrich, that outpaced their career averages and suggest regression to the mean is coming. Maybe the Bulls shoot 33-34% from 3 as a team, but they will still be shooting them less frequently than last year which equates to less efficient offense, unless they get to the line a LOT more, which there’s no evidence to indicate they will be doing. I think Smurf’s comparison to the Sixers last year could be fairly prophetic and they shot a downright abysmal 31.8% on 3s last year. It’s certainly not out of the realm of possibility that the Bulls do that poorly, though I suspect 33-34% is closer to the mark (which would still put them waaay down the list of teams shooting 3s).

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2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box

by fundamentallysound on Nov 2, 2009 6:34 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't even know that Rose is injured

He appears to be able to run full speed, he can cut, spin, jump, I don’t think he’s injured. I have played with a bruised ankle and I played a week after I had a cast removed from a broken ankle. You are in pain and it’s noticeable. Rose problem seems to be that he doesn’t have his timing, he’s not gotten used to the full speed yet, and probably not yet used to the new roles everyone has including himself. With that being said he still has some things he needs to work on to be considered with the elite point guards, he isn’t far off, but he aint there yet!

by Mr Rhythm on Nov 2, 2009 7:10 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

He said tonight

on Sports Nite that his ankle is still stiff and he can’t do all the things he wants to. It’s a tendon and they take a while to heal. The announcers noticed him limping off the floor last night so if he really isn’t injured why would he be limping? He also said he still isn’t in condition yet but it’s getting better. It is a combination of both.

Recipe for Disaster;
C'mon Cubs, hurry up and blow this so I can relax.
by Bluekoolaide on July22, 2009 3:08 PM CDT

by sue369 on Nov 2, 2009 9:26 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

You're making some big judgments on a guy

who was in a boot a week ago. When I watch him in games, he’s limping slightly and he isn’t getting to the hoop like last year. I’m no expert on ankle injuries, and strains are pretty rare, but Frank Gore just had an ankle strain and it took him 5 weeks to fully recover. It hasn’t yet been 5 for Rose. I don’t blame him for not wanting to take over games.

But even moreso, when you play the #2, #5, and #11 defenses last year in succession, you’re supposed to struggle. Add the injured Rose, and our offense struggling early is the season’s least surprising development. It’s not glass half-full to say “give it more than three games to judge”.

by YaoPau on Nov 3, 2009 12:18 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

You're the numbers guy (even more than me), what evidence do you have

that suggests that Bulls won’t be one of the worst 3 pt shooting teams in the league this year?

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2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box

by fundamentallysound on Nov 3, 2009 12:22 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Do you start every post with a label?

I agree the Bulls will be terrible from 3s, but I think they can be average offensively despite Vinny’s ignorance. After all, we didn’t utilize the 3 much last year and finished average.

Two more reasons I think we’ll be okay: improved inside scoring and free throw rate. Here were the inside FGA rates for players gone from last year:

Gordon: 20% of FGA, 53.4 FG%
Gooden: 34%, 54.6%
Thabo: 37%, 60.3%
Hughes: 16%, 55.1%
Noc: 25%, 53.1%

Thabo was the only good inside scorer, and he barely shot. Here’s the same rates for players who should have a bigger offensive impact for us this year than last:

Salmons: 27%, 66.0%
Miller: 47%, 57.1%
Noah: 94%, 57.7%
Tyrus: 45%, 58.1%
Deng: 34%, 60.0%
Hinrich: 11%, 53.2%

Everyone but Hinrich excels inside. So yeah, we’ll suck at 3s, but the mild fallout from last year there should be offset by a big improvement inside, both in attempts and percentage.

It should lead to more free throws, too. The Bulls had a .24 FT/FGA last year, but look at the rates of players no longer on the team: Gordon .25, Gooden .24, Noc .22, Hughes .21, Timmy .16, Thabo .12.

Players currently on the team: Miller .44, Tyrus .35, Noah .32, Salmons .28, Deng .26, Rose .16, Hinrich .16. I hope (and sort of expect) Rose’s rate to increase a little, but regardless, there should be some improvement.

Of course, VDN could screw this up by forcing more 2pt jumpers. If Rose/Tyrus/Noah keep shooting instead of taking it inside, these inside numbers won’t make a difference. But we’ve got the personnel (and interior passing) needed to make up for the loss of Gordon.

by YaoPau on Nov 3, 2009 3:03 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

“So yeah, we’ll suck at 3s, but the mild fallout from last year there should be offset by a big improvement inside, both in attempts and percentage.”

So if the lane is clogged up with guys who don’t need to guard the 3pt line too close will we really increase our productivity inside?

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by cranscape on Nov 3, 2009 3:39 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The Bulls could win 30 games this season, but if Rose looks like a superstar no one would care.

Going back to last year, they look terrible in losses, not that much better in wins. Supposedly we have a bunch of above average talent that somehow manages to alternate being good. When was the last time Deng, Tyrus, Hinrich, Noah, and Rose all had good games? It happens maybe once or twice a month, and sometimes Vinny doesn’t even play those guys.

The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.

by Ozzie Montana on Nov 2, 2009 2:12 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Well, the last time it happened was against the Spurs, but during the last two games

it felt, at times, like they’d never make a shot again. This offense is going to be bad. Real bad. Kevin Pelton projected them (using his crazy fancy maths) at 27th(!) in ORtg for this year. I thought my 20-25th projected was pretty pessimistic (though realistic), but 27th is both awful and very plausible, given what we’ve seen thus far.

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2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box

by fundamentallysound on Nov 2, 2009 2:16 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I have to say looking at the B-Ref and Pelton's projections in the preseason I was shocked.

But, after watching this offense for 3 games, it makes a whole lot of sense. Maybe we’re all just being ridiculous and Salmons and Rose will begin scoring efficiently, but man it’s not going to be easy watching for the next month.

The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.

by Ozzie Montana on Nov 2, 2009 7:20 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

i can understand...

Questioning the constitution of the team, but Rose is obviously injured and out of shape. Were this not the case the team would look entirely different. And I cannot agree more about your characterization of our opponents.

by Super-Structure on Nov 2, 2009 7:03 PM CST via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

you're, um, on fire today

?

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 2, 2009 3:00 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm sorry.

I didn’t think I would be this lucky to watch ten years of bad basketball.

by SoulEater7 on Nov 2, 2009 3:19 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks soul

Now i dont feel so bad..I was on a roll earlier but you now feel my pain also brother

Tyrus Thomas is really Stromile Swift with a retarded mask on..Think about it Same height, same school, same athletic ability, same sucky ass work ethic, same no real position having retarded statement making fucker. News flash retard. Sloan doesnt like lazy ass jump shooters who have 1 for 17 games. Fuck u stromile.

by drakedog on Nov 2, 2009 3:26 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

The silver lining???

 The Bulls start out 4-11, VDN gets fired by NYE, the Bulls finish with ~30 wins, they get a chance to draft Cole Aldrich (Brad Miller redux) or Evan Turner. Yes, I’m talking muthafuckin draft already.

boooooo

People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett

by tyger1147 on Nov 2, 2009 6:57 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I apologize for the language if it offends anyone. I sometimes forget "where I am."

People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett

by tyger1147 on Nov 2, 2009 6:58 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

If Rose is going to be gimpy for a month or two, they might as well tank the season.

Fire Vinny and then hire Jeff Vany Gundy for next year.

Because no damn free agent in his right mind would want to play for Vinny.
That thought should have dawned on EVERYBODY here by now.

Re-load with
1)Rose (healthy)
2)Noah
3)lottery draft pick
4) free agent
5) Deng

by KentuckyBullsFan on Nov 2, 2009 7:27 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

It has dawned on us here.

If that ever reaches anyone who is in charge of making those changes who knows.

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by cranscape on Nov 2, 2009 7:38 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Bulls inspired turrets syndrome is going around lately.

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by cranscape on Nov 2, 2009 7:37 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

turrets syndrome

lol

I support the Tornado Release [See: Joakim Noah]

by Prevenge on Nov 2, 2009 11:08 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I just imagine

a turret popping up out of somewhere and shooting random curse words at people trying to browse the internet … kind of like World War 2, but instead of bullets … insults!
Saving Private Ryan where the people who die have just fainted from insults that were too harsh?

I support the Tornado Release [See: Joakim Noah]

by Prevenge on Nov 2, 2009 11:10 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

nice nice

i downloaded the draft class for next year in 2k10 and was wondering on who i should draft. I was looking at both evan turner, but i passed on aldrich (scouting him i mean) because he was pretty high on prospect board but i questioned how good he was as a 6’11 center. Also theres a pf prospect with great outside range (compared to dirk in the league) i froget his name but definetly foreign, and another guy named lee who i scouted as “the best outside shooter in the draft” any thoughts?

On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!

by piccolomair on Nov 2, 2009 8:06 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

no

i will say aldrich has huge shoulders and long arms, so his actual height might not be such an issue. Even if he’s not a true center, next to noah, he’s fine. He can play the “power forward” on offense because he can shoot (even if it’s ugly as sin when he does) and can guard the beefier guy on D

People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett

by tyger1147 on Nov 2, 2009 9:05 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Why?

Vinny getting fired=

Metal sharpens metal.

And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan

by dakoose on Nov 2, 2009 9:25 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I concur.

People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett

by tyger1147 on Nov 3, 2009 9:12 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

only way they're that bad:

head coach Pete Myers

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 3, 2009 9:06 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm expecting it.

And maybe a Deng deadline trade. Or Tyrus Thomas deadline trade for an expiring contract and a draft pick. More taj!

People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett

by tyger1147 on Nov 3, 2009 9:13 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

More Tyrus, less Taj

by QUINTEN DALEY on Nov 3, 2009 10:08 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm thinking the Bulls might need to play JJ some

if the three point shooting is going to be this bad.

by SoulEater7 on Nov 2, 2009 8:09 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I don't miss Noc

Holy crap the Kings are bad.

12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.

by NBA Observer on Nov 2, 2009 11:10 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

The worse his team is struggling the worse Noc gets.

Same thing as what happened here with him. When we struggled Noc’s worst traits would come out. There is probably a good basketball player in there somewhere under all of that grit. Gotta love Noc boxing out and elbowing his own teammates to get a rebound.

Everything I post is speculation. I have no insider information nor ideas deemed concrete enough by those who are self-elected to regulate post content.

by cranscape on Nov 2, 2009 11:22 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

He did well today...

Though it was versus the Griz anyway I’m glad he helped out my fantasy team for the day.

by Camry on Nov 3, 2009 1:09 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

hey he hit a big 3 in OT last night

when they were up 6 and he shot it with 20 seconds left in the shot clock. Man he’s such a dumb player.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 3, 2009 9:08 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Thats Noc

anytime he gets the ball he feels he is open

by QUINTEN DALEY on Nov 3, 2009 10:10 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Larry Hughes was on fire last night.

You should un-ban that dude who pimped Hughes with 500 word comments.

The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.

by Ozzie Montana on Nov 3, 2009 10:11 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Didn't "Know" also threaten to beat Matt up?

"Then you need a center so if the ball gets stuck between the rim and backboard he can reach up and knock it loose instead of having to spend 15 minutes trying to hit it with a broom stick." – Sam Smith

by Granny Waiters on Nov 3, 2009 6:01 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The Grizzlies' defense

makes Kevin Martin look like Michael Jordan.

It’s too bad Ben Gordon isn’t playing in the West Coast. He could lead the league in scoring.

12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.

by NBA Observer on Nov 3, 2009 10:56 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Can someone explain to me how Brandon Jennings after

2 games is projected to be a perennial All Star yet Rose may one day be an All Star down the road after winning rookie of the year and his playoff success?

by SoulEater7 on Nov 3, 2009 10:46 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

no

because you made it up.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 3, 2009 10:49 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Basketball writers

hate the NCAA.

12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.

by NBA Observer on Nov 3, 2009 10:57 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

That's because being from Compton makes you infinitely cooler than being from the South Side

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Nov 3, 2009 12:01 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Outta curiosity Matt

Is the box you’re using to display the 4 factors is that something you have on SB Nation, o is that HTML you made to create that box? (I wanna use it is why I’m asking.)

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by pookeyguru on Nov 3, 2009 11:56 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

I just straight copy/paste from the yahoo box score

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 3, 2009 12:30 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

link for 4 factors box score

http://sonicscentral.com/apbrmetrics/viewtopic.php?p=22985#22985

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 3, 2009 12:31 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Nice

Thanks.

No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Nov 3, 2009 1:00 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs


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