Not everyone thinks Vinny was godawful

Charley Rosen gave Vinny a B (higher than I would have-- b-/C+ last year), but should show you he did a good job....something I do think he'll continue this year.

I mean sure some of the X's and O's were a problem, but he kept the team playing hard and well, was dealt a terribly mashup of a roster to start the year as Pax was too late on deals that should have happened the year before, dealt with injuries, etc....took ALL THE BLAME himself for once, and kept everything positive....

He reached the F point shortly after the trade, but rebounded again, figured a few things out, did some nifty play calling out of timeouts/quarters by year end....and mostly kept things positive.

Now he needs to know when to let the team rum ramshot and when a structured offense is best and teach some D....

But even if he weren't a rookie coach, he did a good job with all the mess that was last year.

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Vinny's probably not the complete nincompoop we like to make him out to be around here

But, do you honestly believe he gave an above average performance? You really think that a majority of the coaches in the NBA could not have done what he did last season? After all, if you’re giving him anything above a C, which is supposed to reflect an average performance, that is what you are saying.

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by snley on Oct 9, 2009 3:45 PM CDT reply actions

unless hes not grading on a bell curve.

by TheMoon on Oct 9, 2009 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions

Depends what you're grading

Team Performance: 41-41 with last year’s roster is impressive considering the injuries and glut of crap that filled our roster for most of the season. Pushing Boston to a game 7 was also impressive.

Player development: After years of Skiles benching young guys, VDN finally gave Rose/Tyrus/Noah extensive minutes. Rose won ROY, Noah established himself as a starter and Tyrus was finally consistent from month to month. On the downside, Rose’s slashing and defense didn’t improve, and Tyrus’ jumpshots got out of whack.

Personality management: Everyone played hard down the stretch. Tyrus and Noah officially turned into professionals last season. He did piss Gordon off at one point.

In-game X’s and O’s stuff: Horrific. Took half the season to figure out which lineups to pla. Used timeouts poorly. Told Tyrus to take more jumpers, then less jumpers, then more jumpers, then benched him. Benched Rose in crunch time. Ran and isolation offense (read: no offense) all year. Forgot to teach defensive rebounding.

That could grade above average overall.

by YaoPau on Oct 9, 2009 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions

Our team was pretty talented sometimes you can ride talent. I mean we banked on BG and Rose isolating for most of the season.
He played Tyrus but I still didn’t think that he did consistently whether he played well or didn’t. More than not maybe he wasn’t rebounding like Vinny wanted. To give Vinny some credit.

Iunno about playing hard. I thought they did whenever they saw Gordon fighting just like Rose was talking about when he won ROY. I remember one game he energized the team on defense he actually got a few stops in a row in that Rockets game and then his a few shots and thats what got us going. Then Rose took over.

I think if some people wanted to say we didn’t show up for some games I wouldn’t really argue with it. There were some gimme games we lost because of in game strategy and bad subs to me.

Tyrus and Noah seemed to turn over a new leaf but after Brad Miller came.

So its pretty much whatever standard I guess some people are grading on. Hes a rookie coach most of the time I just joke around about Vinny hopefully he improves but I can see someone giving him a C-

by Camry on Oct 9, 2009 11:56 PM CDT up reply actions

*not saying Gordon always energized the team on defense or anything but that game he did

by Camry on Oct 9, 2009 11:59 PM CDT up reply actions

He probably does deserve some credit for everybody playing hard,

but he was pretty godawful in every other area.
Remember this?
And this?
I’m also not so sure about the nifty play calling. I feel like those “nifty” plays towards the end of the year would have been extremely standard, mundane plays for any other team. They just looked nifty to us because they were better than the ‘everybody stand around and then Ben Gordon shoots a three’ that we came to expect.

by penguin1 on Oct 9, 2009 3:47 PM CDT reply actions

My biggest complaint was player development

There wasn’t that much…of course there hasn’t been much for several years.

by hlac on Oct 9, 2009 4:19 PM CDT reply actions

they never got anything out of timeouts,

no young player got any better under him, one of his best players averaged 24 mins/g despite not being injured or in jail, the offense seems determined to annihilate point guard instincts in the future of the franchise, turning him into a worse rebounding steve francis, he never stuck up for his players even when derrick was being screwed by the refs, his rotational sense was fairly incontinent, and the defense…ugh.

by TheMoon on Oct 9, 2009 4:20 PM CDT reply actions

I know you want this to be about Vinny, but Charley Rosen is just so, so, so stupid.

Here are some quality gems from the brilliant mind of the world’s preeminent expert on Phil Jackson’s nutsack.

Stan Van Gundy (Magic) regularly over-coaches his team, perhaps in some subliminal competition with his brother.
George Karl’s (Nuggets) arrogance is humungous. Moreover, he has no basic philosophy, is incapable of inspiring his players and of gaining their trust.
Vinny Del Negro (Bulls) did a terrific job in his rookie year in Chicago. He utilized his available personnel perfectly and coaxed his players to perform at their best at the right time. What does he do for an encore?

So, coach a team to the Finals (and in the process knock out the MVP and the league’s best team), or coach a team to the best season in franchise history means you’re barely average.

But, coach a 41-41 team that lost in the 1st round of the playoffs and you’re above average. That’d be a nice story if I was Charley Rosen and thought the Bulls had no talent outside of Derrick Rose.

The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.

by Ozzie Montana on Oct 9, 2009 4:36 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs

I'm not a Rosen fan either

But how bad this is depends on whether he’s grading coaches against each other, against some theoretical coaching standard, or against what he expected based on their experience and situation.

It’s kind of humorous to me that the talent on the team (other than Derrick) is routinely crapped upon, except when it comes to judging Vinny.

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by wjb1492 on Oct 9, 2009 6:36 PM CDT up reply actions

Agree about Van Gundy

Hasnt he had a finals runner up and half of a finals Champion in last 4 years?

Oh and I guess Vinny’s Charisma must be the reason why he is so high on the list…. cause if Lawerence Frank drops cause of lack of charisma Vinny must be benifiting from his Italian charisma.

by Jscho316 on Oct 9, 2009 6:54 PM CDT up reply actions

umm i agree on both gundy and karl

george karl IS extremely arrogant, and i really dont know what his teams philsophy is, and van gundy, well dwight howard even called him out….i dont read what charlie rosen wrote (what you quoted) as a direct comparison but a general review on the coaches in question. Gundy and karl are veteran coaches, vdn has no experience….what i dislike about vdn has more to do with his being hired (bulls are cheap) as opposed to what he actually did. I think vdn has the abilitly to become a decent (average) coach in the league eventually, and i think he was put in a situation he was really ill-suited for (no experience EVER!!!) I even doubt that vdns expensive assistant staff ever helped him..given the situation he was placed in, i think he did a decent job….i agree with yaopaos description above on vdn…

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by piccolomair on Oct 9, 2009 7:27 PM CDT up reply actions