Bulls blown out by Celtics: So it's not all happy days?
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Oct 31, 2009 6:36 PM CDT
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| Pace | Eff | eFG | FT/FG | OREB% | TOr | |
| Chicago | 90.0 | 100.0 | 42.7% | 24.4 | 33.3 | 16.7 |
| Boston | 131.1 | 66.2% | 27.0 | 33.3 | 17.8 |
(more on the 4 factors box score)
After knowing the result, I can't say I paid too much attention when watching the DVR'd game Saturday. From what I could tell, Noah and Tyrus looked pretty good (though it'd be nice if Tyrus could finish once when fouled), so that's a good sign. Brad Miller was able to give a forearm to Rondo's face, so good on that. And the Bulls had a lot stacked against them considering it was a second night in a row for them, and they were on the road against possibly the best team in the league. Derrick Rose likely felt the ankle injury more in this game than in the opener, as we'll have to peg some excuse as to how Rajon Rondo absolutely dominated the game.
Overall, the Bulls were crushed. Salmons/Deng/Hinrich shot 8-31, and as a team they had their second straight abysmal performance from beyond the arc (2-15). They were able to draw fouls but this offense is in deep trouble when they don't hit jump shots.
A win certainly wasn't expected, but I said going into the game that we could tell if anything was fundamentally different about this season if they merely kept things close. But nope, they were finished off pretty early, and spectacularly in the 3rd quarter.
It doesn't mean they're especially bad, but that all the talk after the opener about this team being so cohesive and happy won't make up for their talent deficiency against the better teams. They lack players able to score against tough defenses, and while I do think they'll prove to be a better defensive team this year it certainly showed last night it'll be a work in progress.
They're average. They'll lose nearly half their games and sometimes look really bad doing so. That's why it would've been nice for Luol Deng to hold off on the hands-across-the-world talk until they were more than one game in. Or the quotes from Doc Rivers pregame about how they 'fit' better. Even during the game the ESPN telecast had Bill Simmons sit in to pump his book, and he mentioned how he liked the Bulls as a contender for the 4th seed because 'they look like they get along'.
Well it didn't prevent them from getting blown out that night, and it won't in the future. What will is being better, not feeling better.
A more appropriate test will be Sunday against a fellow fringe playoff contender in Miami. Maybe the commentary will be less about smiles-per-minute and more about the ball-going-into-the-hoop-thing.
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Think Positive...
…at least the Bulls lost by less than the Bears did last week!
Hooray for 2nd City mediocrity!
/both teams at .500 right now
/I suck at positive thinking
by KentuckyBullsFan on Oct 31, 2009 7:03 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I like the picture
i imagine its something like tyrus saying “man i dont knwo why you keep playing taj, we wouldve won if i played”
Taj is looking away like “whatever man…”
Kirk is staring at tyrus like “are you kidding me”
Brad is telling tyrus “dude just shut up”
Pargo is like “seriously?! Seriously?!”
All is well and happy in bulls world
bon voyage tyrus?
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Oct 31, 2009 7:09 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Is that Tyrus?
It looks like JJ.
by Stacey_Is_King on Oct 31, 2009 7:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it is JJ.
Recipe for Disaster;
C'mon Cubs, hurry up and blow this so I can relax.
by Bluekoolaide on July22, 2009 3:08 PM CDT
by sue369 on Oct 31, 2009 7:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think you guys are right
i saw the tats, and i thought it was tyrus, although i guess tyrus looks alot lankier
Mi Mal
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Oct 31, 2009 10:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Heat team has looked really good.
If Jermaine Oneal is actually healthy and can keep playing like this, they are a top 4 contender in the East…
The one thing that bothered me watching the game last night, was the continued reliance on jumpshots that were not falling…Salmons in particular, because he has the ability to drive to the hoop, he just wasn’t doing it very often…the other thing that bothered me was poor communication on defense…there were too many missed rotations, open shooters and bad play.
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by Dionysus2.0 on Oct 31, 2009 7:25 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The fact they had the Celtics in foul trouble early
but still went with outside shooting is troubling. They had a strategy they could have taken with their offense but ignored it. Every fan on here was expecting them to attack inside after they got that early advantage. Don’t they make adjustments like that?
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by cranscape on Oct 31, 2009 7:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
were they settling?
maybe they couldn’t get inside because the Celtics D is too good, and it’s not like there are many creators outside of Rose.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Oct 31, 2009 8:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think it's time to worry
And I certainly don’t think it means we’re mediocre. A 50-win New Orleans team last year lost by 60 to the Nuggets, a team that’s not even close to being as good as the Celtics. Beating a Finals contender then losing to a Finals contender (albeit by almost 30) isn’t cause to break out the ‘Yeah, we suck (again)’ flag.
by Stacey_Is_King on Oct 31, 2009 7:35 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
well I'm going off a baseline of being mediocre last season
so I expect to see something different to think they won’t be. Getting blowed out by the Celtics isn’t different.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Oct 31, 2009 7:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But you said that
They’re average, they’ll lose nearly half their games and sometimes look really bad doing so.
I really don’t think it’s time to say that. I still see a 50-win team here.
by Stacey_Is_King on Nov 1, 2009 4:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
believe what you want
a 50 win team means a significant improvement over last year. They haven’t shown to be significantly improved yet.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 1, 2009 4:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The method by which we sucked has to be troubling though.
It isn’t like we were missing players or that we played very hard and were just over matched. We gave up the ghost early on in that game, didn’t make logical adjustments, and defensively phoned in. Not even making Boston work for it sucks.
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by cranscape on Oct 31, 2009 8:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think there were many factors that contrinuted to such a lopsided ass whooping
the more I think about it, the less concerned I am, but a nice showing tomorrow in Miami will be very nice to see. For example if Rose sucks like that all year, a loss like that won’t matter cause we won’t be good anyway. Back to back, early in the season, a team that will be feeling it’s way due to the loss of their leading scorer, definitely not panic time
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by Juiceboxjerry on Oct 31, 2009 8:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's a 6pm EST start
after halloween on South Beach. I have a feeling both teams will look bad.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Oct 31, 2009 8:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
good point
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by Juiceboxjerry on Oct 31, 2009 8:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sold at all on Miami's hot start
If we really have improved as a team this would be a winnable game imo. I don’t think O’Neal will have a game like he’s been against a front line that is young and athletic like ours. Also, one of my big disappointments of last year was seeing Rose play so poorly against Beasley, Chalmers and Wade. If I remember correctly he really blew against those guys last year. I’d like to see a win by the Bulls, a good game finally by John Salmons and Derrick Rose play his ass off. Oh, and if the Bears don’t win by at least 17 points tomorrow they really suck
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by Juiceboxjerry on Oct 31, 2009 8:01 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
he's had two 20-10 games
last time he did that was 12/2007. I thought he could be done, so this start at the very least takes that off the table. Not saying he’ll keep it up, but he’s not some production sinkhole ala Ben Wallace
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Oct 31, 2009 8:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's been impressive, but one game was against the Knicks (yuck)
and the other was against the pacers. This feels like it could be a good Tyrus game to me
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by Juiceboxjerry on Oct 31, 2009 8:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Until we win, we will lose the game against miami
D ROSE D WADE DESTINY DYNASTY
by Juan dela Cruz on Oct 31, 2009 8:10 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
why include Hinrich...
in your " Salmons/Deng/Hinrich shot 8-31" point? Hinrich shot 4-9. You should have included Tyrus shooting 3-7 from the field or a poor 4-9 from the stripe.
Hinrich has an ok shooting night, besides from behind the arc, and you lump him in with Deng and Salmons crappy shooting…typical YFBB.
by ronmexibull on Oct 31, 2009 8:15 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
all 3 of those guys make up the Bulls wing players
and outside shooters. Hinrich was 0-5 from 3. Are you really claiming some type of bias? Get over it.
by Basketball Smurf on Oct 31, 2009 8:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, I agree with him
Technically, it is correct to say that Kirk, John and Lu collectively shot 8/31 – but it’s incredibly misleading. Kirk shot 44.4%, Lu shot 25.0%, and John a miserable 14.3%. Big difference, no? Or you could stick it all in TS% to capture 3s and free throws – Kirk 50.6%, Lu 25.0%, John 26.1%. Either way you look at it, the collective 8/31 overcredits John and Lu for their contributions and implies Kirk had an equally horrible shooting night.
Now, you want to phrase it as “Kirk hit 4/9, but was 0/5 from 3” – no complaints there.
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by wjb1492 on Oct 31, 2009 11:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here is what yfbb wrote:
“Salmons/Deng/Hinrich shot 8-31, and as a team they had their second straight abysmal performance from beyond the arc (2-15). They were able to draw fouls but this offense is in deep trouble when they don’t hit jump shots.”
The whole comment is about the Bulls ineffective outside shooting. If Hinrich had an especially good shooting game, than maybe you guys would have a point. But the fact that he was less bad than Salmons and Deng doesn’t change the fact that collectively the Bulls outside shooting was poor, and if they don’t shoot better from the outside, they will be in trouble. He doesn’t need to phrase it 4/9 fgs but 0/5 from 3, because he mentions the 3pt shooting in the very same sentence you guys are complaining about (2/15). Its not incredibly misleading, its treating the team as a team and not focusing on the individual proficiencies of one player, but instead focusing on a problem the entire team has – outside shooting.
by Basketball Smurf on Nov 1, 2009 12:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd have been OK with sticking to just 3-pt shooting and talking 2/15 - as a team - as well.
The little comma there is a biggie. It’s John, Lu, and Kirk 8/31 – then it’s the whole team 2/15 from 3.
Lu didn’t take a shot from 3, which probably doesn’t surprise anyone, and one of those 3s belongs to Pargo who had a nice shooting night for once. Why not include Pargo? Why not throw in Derrick, too? Basically Lu and John had really bad shooting nights, and there’s no reason to lump anyone else on the team in with them (you could make an argument for Hunter and JJ based on the bad shooting, but since it looks like they won’t be playing big roles on the team it makes sense to leave them out). If you want to talk outside shooting, leave Lu out and include Pargo.
It’s not just a “don’t pick on Kirk” thing – I don’t care for lumped stats unless both/all players were equally horrible or great. I’d be irritated on behalf of Joakim if someone were going on about the horrible team shooting without bothering to point out how well he shot last night.
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by wjb1492 on Nov 1, 2009 12:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pargo doesn't matter
the fact that he played so much at all means they were getting creamed.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 1, 2009 12:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I lumped them in as a unit to show production
Hinrich was more efficient than the other two, but he still had only 4 field goals in 27 minutes. Need buckets!
Also, I hate Hinrich’s stupid face.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 1, 2009 12:15 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
And there's the bias Smurf was so sure doesn't exist....
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by wjb1492 on Nov 1, 2009 1:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
cause the Bulls need scoring from them?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 1, 2009 12:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Here’s my game preview for tomorrow.
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by Juiceboxjerry on Oct 31, 2009 8:28 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
good wake up call for the game against Miami
and Salmons need to start driving to the hoop!
by materd on Oct 31, 2009 8:29 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Dwyane Wade vs. Ben Gordon
Head to Head matchup over 15 games.
Gordon played Wade as evenly as anyone in the league.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=gordobe01&p2=wadedw01
I hope Salmons can do more of the same. We really need him to get going if we are going to build some early momentum. I like Salmons game and demeanor but he’s gotta put up some opposition when Wade attacks him on both ends.
by lexdiamonds0730 on Nov 1, 2009 1:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you ignore that Ben basically never guarded Wade,
I guess you could call that even.
by Scotter on Nov 1, 2009 4:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
haha
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 1, 2009 4:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Pargo
everytime he catches the ball, he is shooting it, he doesn’t even look to pass
D ROSE D WADE DESTINY DYNASTY
by Juan dela Cruz on Oct 31, 2009 9:26 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The game was lost because Boston's bench out played the Bulls. (Then the 3's of course.)
Clearly Boston’s bench is better than most the leagues. Thats when the game took a turn. The Bulls were only down 4 after the first. Even after missing some free throws and turnovers.
Once Vinny put in Miller and Hinirch, Pargo, Gibson and I think Deng/ Salmons the Bulls started to lose grip on the game. Daniels caused most of the problems for the Bulls getting to the line and putting the Bulls in foul trouble. The lineup was a disaster. They turned the ball over and missed open jump shots.
Salmons and Pargo were so off that the Bulls just couldn’t keep up with Boston’s pace. House,Daniels and Allen, Wallace,Williams killed the Bulls. Pargo was awful.
Miller killed the Bulls he missed both his free throws, Missed a layup, threw a bad pass, missed a 3 all in that span. Not only that he was next to Noah who doesn’t score as well.
House and Allen fed off the Bulls lack of offense and started hitting their 3’s they then went up by 12 and Noah got T’ed for swatting at the ball. The wheels fell off and Boston never looked back.
The Bulls were 13% in 3pt% the Celtics 50%.
once the Celtics got that cushion their 3 point shooter had the green light to unload the bombs on the bulls.
it was mention in last season playoffs that when the Celtics have a lead Eddie House will go off from the three. The Bulls did an awful job with house and he went off once they got that 12 point lead. Then Allen and PP followed.
Of course the Bulls couldn’t counter Boston’s 3 point shooting because their best 3 pt shooter plays for the Pistons and Salmons of course had something in his eye. jk.
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by SoulEater7 on Oct 31, 2009 9:33 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Boston isn't the only team in the league with 3 point shooters.
This problem isn’t going to go away. No matter how you felt about BG we should all be able to agree Pargo was not the answer as a replacement. Before last season Salmon’s 3pt shooting was nothing to write home about. Which way he falls is yet to be seen, but far from certain. Deng isn’t likely to extend his shooting to the 3pt line this season and attempting one every 10 games doesn’t count. Kirk is our most reliable 3pt shooter but Vinny doesn’t seem to want to bench Salmons to bring Kirk in and having three guards out there isn’t something we can go to for 3pt shooting if it is going to hurt us in rebounding or size. I wish we had been more aggressive in the off season. Besides ringing up Pargo as soon as he hit American soil that is.
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by cranscape on Oct 31, 2009 9:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
look at the starting lineup.
Salmons is the only real three point threat. Sometimes great defense just isn’t enough. Look at the playoffs last season. Allen had a hand in his face all time time and hit big shots.
Who on the Bulls can make big shots like that now? Nobody really. Maybe Salmons.
Thats why Deng and Rose isn’t a good pairing. That’s why I said all summer that Rose needs to develop a 3 or the Bulls are fucked. Deng can hit a spot up now and then but it’s not consistent.
Derrick Rose and Deng are going improve their range fast.
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by SoulEater7 on Nov 1, 2009 1:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
sorry for typos it's late.
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by SoulEater7 on Nov 1, 2009 1:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't necessarily agree that Rose HAS TO develop a 3 point shot
but I totally agree with Deng. I think in today’s NBA you have to be able to either hit a three or take a guy off the dribble, Deng can’t do either at this point, so what is he really? I know that guys like YFBB and others like to point out his abilities as a defensive rebounder, and I totally agree, but I think his offensive game is a total negative. Even when he’s having a good game offensively it’s really doing anything to help the offense as a whole. He kind of stagnates everything
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by Juiceboxjerry on Nov 1, 2009 1:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's added the
“shoot the 20 footer with 21 seconds left on the clock” to his repertoire.
by YaoPau on Nov 1, 2009 9:02 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree to an extent
Both Boston’s starters and bench outplayed the Bulls’ starters and bench – but the starters were gave up a heck of a lot more in point differential than the bench did.
The team was -4 when the first bench subs came in, and still at -4 when Vinny subbed Joakim back in for Taj roughly a minute and a half into the second. (Salmons was in most of that time after sitting for just a couple of minutes.) The game went south over the next 2 and half minutes with a mix of starters and bench in the game, and with all starters in for the middle of the 2nd the team continued to lose ground. The starters then got absolutely crushed to open the 3rd.
So, imo, it’s pretty unfair to the bench to put the loss on them. They certainly didn’t win their part of the battle, but they weren’t outplayed nearly as badly (as a group – not any comment on individual play of either reserves or starters).
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by wjb1492 on Nov 1, 2009 12:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh I'm not putting the loss squarely on the bench at all.
I’m saying the Bulls had started off pretty well and Boston wasn’t really playing that great. 21 -17 after 1.
What I’m saying is….. that when the Bulls had that lineup(Hinrich, Pargo, Salmons,Taj and Miller) they gave up a 12 point lead which ballooned to 15 before the half.
Once Boston’s lead got to 12 the Bulls just didn’t have the fire power to climb back in. That lineup couldn’t keep the lead in a manageable range (like 4 or 6 points)
See the problem the Bulls now face is they can’t just get back in a game anymore because they don’t have a reliable three point option other than Salmons and Salmons has been awful.
Now when the lead gets to 10 or 12 for the other team, then Bulls players have to press and go outside of their skill sets… ie Brad Miller shooting a 3 or Derrick Rose forcing the issue when he doesn’t want to shoot. Loul Deng freaking out trying a contested two with a hand in his face only to travel.
The frustration set in and Noah received the T and it opened the flood gates.
Boston could sense without BG it’s all day bombs away! You get a big lead you can knock out the Bulls.
It’s not all the benches fault.
It’s the fault of the Bulls brass for letting BG walk. You don’t have that ballsy guy anymore to take a big shot when it’s called for. Now they are asking unselfish role players to take BG’s role… thats hard to do. It’s not really their game. Sure Pargo can make a tough shot but not like BG.
BG was the run killer. He could make a shot the that could stall a run enough to keep you in the game.
Well we don’t have that anymore so those thrilling games are more than not going to be a thing of the past unless the Bulls guards can vastly improve from down town.
I’m not saying the Bulls can’t come back and win a game what I’m saying is the Bulls can’t beat a great defensive team or match them 3 for 3 anymore. Thats why they wanted to improve their defense and you know what sometimes you can be a great defender all you want but Ray Allen and Eddie House can make threes over great defense and nobody on the Bulls can anymore.
Thats what made the Playoff series so great.. players made shots with hands in their face when the only option was to make a 3 or lose. Thats dead now. That team is gone.
That why when you found out BG was signing with Detroit you felt really really depressed.
The Bulls don’t have a clutch player. So you’ll lose. The only hope is this
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by SoulEater7 on Nov 1, 2009 1:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But that's specifically what I'm saying
That lineup (Hinrich, Pargo, Salmons,Taj and Miller) – which obviously does include a starter – didn’t give up anything. When Taj came out for Joakim it was still just a 4 point lead. When Pargo came out for Lu it had only climbed to an 8 point lead – so if you want to be critical of the bench, they gave up the same point gap (-4) as the starters did, only that happened to be with two starters already back in. At this point there are 3 starters and the top 2 bench guys in. After that, the lead slid another 3 points before Vinny put the other two starters back in – and the starters lost another 4 points. The starters then gave up another 6 points to start the 3rd before Lu got pulled, and the other starters plus Kirk lost another 6 points before the bench guys came back in and played a lineup of mainly Boston starters even.
Hypercritical over a blanket statement, sure. The thing is, there are plenty of posters around here who pick up on the old cliche things and never let go. We see it all the time with Ben now, and even when he was here. We see it with Kirk, who still gets called Hinbrick no matter how good he’s shooting. We see it with Ty, who some people will be forever convinced is a lazy player. So sure, I’m overreacting now – but I’d be willing to bet there’s going to be a post someday about how the Bulls bench sucks, remember that Boston game….
And I can’t wait till Ben has been gone long enough that we can drop the “if only we still had BG” posts.
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by wjb1492 on Nov 1, 2009 9:31 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We promise to,
as soon as the Hinrich and Deng jersey retirement ceremonies are over.
And I can’t wait till Ben has been gone long enough that we can drop the "if only we still had BG" posts.
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by Granny Waiters on Nov 1, 2009 11:22 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It will stop being brought up
when we actually replace BG with another good player. Pretending that the Pargo “acquisition” and Salmons’ extra few inches is going to be enough was annoying in the off season and extra annoying now when it is put into practice. I think we can all agree that if BG’s departure was in relation to receiving a good player in return this would be less of an issue.
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by cranscape on Nov 1, 2009 11:33 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Joe Johnson would be an acceptable replacement
and D-Wade a definite upgrade, but otherwise ugh unless the cap space gets Bosh or LBJ.
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by Granny Waiters on Nov 1, 2009 2:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not saying this to hate on Rose
or because I’m overreacting to one bad game and I’ll probably get ripped hard, but I think it’s possible that Brandon Jennings is already better than D Rose. He’s definitely not as powerful and I think D Rose has better potential, but I think Jennings might already be better.
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by Juiceboxjerry on Oct 31, 2009 10:03 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't go that far, but Jennings has been impressive so far
I think playing in Europe last year really helped him. He kind of got his ass kicked over there, but he was playing against much tougher competition over there – grown men instead of 18-22 year olds. He’s already used to getting bitched out if he doesn’t play defense, which is something that doesn’t really happen much to college stars (it obviously never happened with Rose at Memphis). The fact that Skiles is starting a 20-year old rookie point guard is pretty amazing
by Big D on Oct 31, 2009 10:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jennings is awesome.
I traded up in my PASPN league to get him, and I already had Devin Harris.
He’s … very, very fast, can finish at the rim, works hard, makes amazing assists … etc. etc.
By no means does he have everything figured out, but he’s going to be great. Kind of like … Stephon Marbury with the ability to make amazing passes, and more quickness but less strength? Maybe.
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by Prevenge on Oct 31, 2009 10:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oho, and I just checked stats:
He had 24 points and a +13 in Milwaukee’s win over the Pistons.
3 TO/3 Steals/3 assists, 2 rebounds, but man. He scored those 24 points on 15 shots, too.
I don’t think he can shoot, but if he can like he has the last two games … umm … the Bucks are going to sneak in as the 8th seed or something.
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by Prevenge on Oct 31, 2009 10:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Other statistical anomalies from that game vaguely concerning the bulls
-Ben Wallace went 4 for 4 from the FT line.
-Gordon had 26 points on 15 shots. A -15, though.
-But Redd sucked! 2 for 8, 9 points, no other stats to write about.
-But man, is Villanueva HORRIBLE. Geez. After three games, of course, but here’s to hoping Gordon didn’t flee one bad situation for a worse one, lol.
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by Prevenge on Oct 31, 2009 10:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Pistons have half a team. It's sad. Villanueva was a huge mistake everyone saw coming.
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by cranscape on Oct 31, 2009 10:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah it looks that way so far with Charlie V.
Villanueva looks disinterested….and Ben Wallace looks to have risen from the dead. But when you score 6 pts and get 10 rbds while making the veterans minimum it looks pretty good compared to when you do that when you’re making 15 mil/yr.
Gordon looks like he’s worth every penny of his deal so far though. Crazy how he always started out slow for the Bulls (probably due to minute fluctuation) but he’s come out sizzling for these Pistons. Stuckey and Bynum don’t know how to play with a guy like him yet though.
by lexdiamonds0730 on Oct 31, 2009 10:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
nods
With Rip spit out it would be truly frightening to see the Pistons without BG at this point.
Did BG start off slow last year? He started off on the bench for at least 7 of the games. Can’t get the stat page to load…
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by cranscape on Nov 1, 2009 12:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he also didn't play in the preseason last year
i don’t think there was ever a conclusive ruling on whether he was faking
by Basketball Smurf on Nov 1, 2009 12:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Would you guys come off that +/- stuff??
Lamar Odom was second in the league and Delonte West was 5th in the league in that stat last season. Does that mean they are 2nd and 5th best players respectively? I don’t think so. It more likely means the benefit greatly from playing with two of three best players in the league.
Kevin Durant is apparently horrible in the +/- column. But do you really mean to tell me that you wouldn’t take that guy on your team?
by lexdiamonds0730 on Oct 31, 2009 10:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Obviously not...
+/- isn’t an end-all stat. Neither are points, rebs, or assists. Heck, even PER, which is supposed to be the best overall stat, is lacking. No one is saying that +/- should be taken by itself as the most important stat….it just helps paint an overall picture of a player, just like every other stat.
by Stacey_Is_King on Oct 31, 2009 11:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just mentioned it in case people would go 'Oh no, BG had a -15!'.
Also, I didn’t watch the game.
Just looking at stats, I’d say BG was probably the best player on the Pistons tonight – especially if he was guarding Redd, which he probably was.
Guarding Jennings … well, not so much.
I support the Tornado Release [See: Joakim Noah]
by Prevenge on Nov 1, 2009 2:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also:
Scoring 25 really efficient points and having a -15? Statistical anomaly!
I support the Tornado Release [See: Joakim Noah]
by Prevenge on Nov 1, 2009 2:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
One more thing:
Lamar Odom is the difference between the Lakers being elite and the Lakers being good.
I support the Tornado Release [See: Joakim Noah]
by Prevenge on Nov 1, 2009 2:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yea, certain players just have that "it" factor.
The guy has played two games and you can just see that it’s basically already HIS team. I think Derrick wants to wait a few years to take over like that. I’m sad.
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Oct 31, 2009 10:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you make up reasons to be depressed.
Don’t know why, there’s plenty of reasons on the team.
The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.
by Ozzie Montana on Oct 31, 2009 10:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Very true
but now the one reason that I always had to be optimistic is starting to worry me
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by Juiceboxjerry on Oct 31, 2009 11:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why? Because he had a bad game?
He had plenty of bad games last year too. Not even a good coaching staff would panic as much as you have over the past 2 years.
The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.
by Ozzie Montana on Nov 1, 2009 10:03 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So you just said nobody has panicked as much as I have about Rose over the past two years
then you ask me if it’s because of one bad game. You do realize that doesn’t make a ton of sense right? Since I have been doing it for awhile, I’d say I’ve been pretty consistent with my criticism and not someone overreacting to “one bad game”. I wouldn’t call it panicking either, just some concern and discussion.
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by Juiceboxjerry on Nov 1, 2009 10:51 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I even saw a funny look on Michael Redd's face when Jennings went on that one man run.
Redd looked like he had that feeling that he wasn’t going to be the big man in town much longer.
by lexdiamonds0730 on Oct 31, 2009 10:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's been guarded by
Rodney Stuckey and Lou Williams so far. I’d look respectable with those matchups. I like Jennings though.
by YaoPau on Oct 31, 2009 10:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's true
but I don’t think there are very many great defenders at that position anyway. Rondo is the only real standout in that regard
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Oct 31, 2009 11:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No you wouldn't.
I don’t give a damn who was guarding him. You can put a lot of guys in a gym by themselves with a ball for 48 minutes and they still can’t do a damn thing. Jennings played well. Now if he hadn’t played so well people would be killing him. But he’s stepped up to the challenge so far.
I mean damn. Besides Chris Paul and Rajon Rondo, what PGs are all-world defenders? Maybe Hinrich and an aging Andre Miller. If he’s making shots though he’s gonna give everybody problems.
by lexdiamonds0730 on Oct 31, 2009 11:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There are hardly any all-world defenders.
But there are plenty better than Rodney Stuckey and Lou Williams.
by Stacey_Is_King on Oct 31, 2009 11:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
On this current Bulls team
Rose should be averaging at least 20 ppg 7 ast and 4 reb, if he doesn’t that makes me think that he just doesn’t have what it takes to be “the guy” on a great team.
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Oct 31, 2009 11:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No one is standing in his way anymore.
That was the excuse last year (although I thought he did fine last year).
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by cranscape on Nov 1, 2009 12:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep, but "fine" can't be good enough anymore
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Nov 1, 2009 12:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The truth is that Rose is a pretty average player right now
He’s a great athlete and has fantastic potential. But, he’s a bad defensive player and he’s very passive on offense and he’s pretty careless with the ball. Right now, I’m not sure he’ll end up being especially better than DJ Augustine or Mario Chalmers.
by hitlesswonder on Nov 1, 2009 11:36 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He's got THE DOG!
Things could be worse. We could have kept Boylan.
by stupidgenius on Oct 31, 2009 11:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Has anybody seen Andray Blatche play this year?
Averaging 21ppg on 62% FG shooting. It gives me hope for Tyrus growing into a legit scorer.
by YaoPau on Oct 31, 2009 11:08 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Blatche is a way better shooter though
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by Juiceboxjerry on Oct 31, 2009 11:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is he?
Everytime I’ve seen him (admittedly not often) he’s seemed like a Tyrus clone. Made 35.6% of his jumpers last year, 23% of his 3s, 70% FT. Tyrus was at 35% jumpers, N/A 3s, 78% FT.
by YaoPau on Oct 31, 2009 11:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're probably right
I’m just basing it off the eye test and from what I’ve seen from him in the Wizards games I’ve watched. Which has not been that many
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Oct 31, 2009 11:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sample Size
I’ve been a semi-fan of Blatche, but he’s had many more absolute stinkers than Tyrus – just is [maybe, hopefully] turning it around this year.
I support the Tornado Release [See: Joakim Noah]
by Prevenge on Nov 1, 2009 2:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You can't even see a players PER on ESPN anymore unless you're an insider
that shit is so gd ridiculous
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by Juiceboxjerry on Oct 31, 2009 11:14 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Why don't you just look at it on basketball reference?
by JeffD on Oct 31, 2009 11:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wasn't trying to say that I won't be able to get PER anymore
just pointing out how annoying that “insider” shit is
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by Juiceboxjerry on Nov 1, 2009 12:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, i agree
I just don’t bother with espn anymore.
by JeffD on Nov 1, 2009 12:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yea, I might have to join you. It's basically reflexive at this point
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Nov 1, 2009 12:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Between their columnists being garbage or on insider,
better stats available elsewhere, and a better gamecast on nba.com, its easy to get by without it. Truehoop is about the only thing i go there for.
by JeffD on Nov 1, 2009 12:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How good would the Bulls be with BG off the bench this season?
ahhhhhhhhhhh whyyyyyyyyy ok I’m done.
I've got this thing and it's fucking golden!
by SoulEater7 on Nov 1, 2009 1:17 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Guys, I have bad news...
I think Salmons might suck. He was alright last season, but I think we’re putting an awful lot of stock into him repeating that “efficient” scoring (instead of the pretty crappy inefficient scoring he’s been doing most of his career).
by potato0328 on Nov 1, 2009 2:19 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
So...should Kirk start at shooting guard instead of Fish?
It’s not like Salmons is a great defender.
But it would make the 2nd unit pretty abismal.
by KentuckyBullsFan on Nov 1, 2009 8:18 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
But Salmons is TALLER than Ben Gordon!
I think Salmons might suck.
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by Granny Waiters on Nov 1, 2009 8:25 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
This is a big game!
A win today could me a win in 2010!
I've got this thing and it's fucking golden! -Blago
For every Deng brick I think WWBGD What Would BG Do
by SoulEater7 on Nov 1, 2009 11:31 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I actually would play Kirk ahead of Salmons. Kirk is our only 3pt threat. Salmons can hit them but I think last year was an anomaly. Kirk has shown he can hit them pretty consistently. Honestly they should have had Kirk see a sports psychologist…dude has no confidence in his game. Dude has skills but he’s so passive offensively. He should be shooting at least 12-14 shots a game and at least 3 3pt attempts if not 4 or 5.
Also Rose has to step it up. This is his team, he is way too deferential and passive. I want to see him play with more fire. There are really only like a handful of guys who can defend him straight up, Rondo being the main one. He should be much more aggressive offensively…and I want to see more steals from him too.
I really hope Salmons is just in a slump, cause he looks fkn horrible. I had a feeling his last season was a fluke and so far he’s showing it probably was. I don’t think he’ll totally fall apart but I think last year was his plateau…his production this year will be lower. Def. need to be looking for a new long term SG.
Also regarding Rose, dude needs to start making plays. More alley-oops to Tyrus and Noah. Put people in an easy position to score. Passing, beside overall defense, is definitely something Derrick needs to improve quickly.
by C Smoove on Nov 1, 2009 12:24 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
an intresting tidbit
from the tribune article on the celtics game
bq. Layups: James Johnson made his debut in garbage time, finishing with four points in 11 minutes. … After Thursday’s home opener, the Bulls arrived at their hotels here near 3 a.m. An hour later, a malfunctioning fire alarm went off for several hours. “It was great,” deadpanned Kirk Hinrich.
Thats what im pinning the loss on, that damned fire alarm…thats right…the loss is officially pinned!!!
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Nov 1, 2009 12:50 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
They mentioned that during the game.
Too bad there are too many asshats in Boston to ever figure out which one did it.
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by cranscape on Nov 1, 2009 1:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Use a different Hotel.
If I were the hotel manager where sports teams stay overnight, I’d have that angle covered.
So I hope the Bulls and other NBA teams stay elsewhere and hit them in the pocket book.
by Noe_Valley on Nov 1, 2009 4:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
NBAO?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 1, 2009 4:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
several hours?
wtf
I've got this thing and it's fucking golden! -Blago
For every Deng brick I think WWBGD What Would BG Do
by SoulEater7 on Nov 1, 2009 3:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't realize
it ran for several hours. Cripes.
Recipe for Disaster;
C'mon Cubs, hurry up and blow this so I can relax.
by Bluekoolaide on July22, 2009 3:08 PM CDT
by sue369 on Nov 1, 2009 3:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder if Matt knows there is a bulls game today?
I've got this thing and it's fucking golden! -Blago
For every Deng brick I think WWBGD What Would BG Do
by SoulEater7 on Nov 1, 2009 4:53 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I was wondering the same thing. No preview or game thread...hmmmm
by Illini15 on Nov 1, 2009 5:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
game threads go up when the game is scheduled
but nah, no preview today.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 1, 2009 5:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe he is watching the Packers get destroyed.
Someone should tweet him.
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by cranscape on Nov 1, 2009 5:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Most of the world hates Noah...
… but honestly, there’s quite a few Celtic fans that would want him on our squad. He’s impressive and his zeal is amazing. I really dig his enthusiasm, his energy, his game.
I hope you guys get to add some more experienced members to your squad soon, maybe some bigger names. I think there’s a solid future ahead of you.
Just my humble opinion :P
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by Kiorrik on Nov 2, 2009 8:55 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
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