Celtics 118, Bulls 90
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Oct 31, 2009 2:05 AM CDT
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Oh no, we suck again!
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Still a half game ahead of Cleveland :)
"When a hyper-intense guy looks for ways to fire himself up, yeah, it pretty much comes out as wild eyed psycho lunacy." - Jeff Clark from C's blog on KG
by Khalid El-Amin on Oct 31, 2009 2:08 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
We'll probably be a 6th seed this year. Up from 7th last year. Progress!
1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box
by fundamentallysound on Oct 31, 2009 2:20 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The major problem with this team
Inability to score if playing a good to great defensive team! Although the Bulls also play good defense, they evenually concede because they can’t score when defended.
Luol can’t score if defended. Actually Rose, Kirk and Salmons can score better against good defensive teams. Kirk and Rose can get their own shots and Salmons will have a slightly better open look from the attention Kirk and Rose attract. Deng typically doesn’t shoot a high percentage while trying to make a pull up jumper while tightly defended. And Deng’s range is smaller than Salmons. Salmons is in a shooting slump.. I hope! Deng needs to play with another guy who shoots deadly from outside, Salmons wasn’t doing his job last night..
"I tried being reasonable, I didn't like it."
"Go ahead, make my day"
"We boil at different degrees"
"A good man always knows his limitations"
"You've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel lucky?' Well, do ya punk?"
by exult463 on Oct 31, 2009 9:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you're right. The bulls are going to have scoring problems.
I've got this thing and it's fucking golden!
by SoulEater7 on Oct 31, 2009 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
we might be as bad as indiana
we’ll see soon…
by Fastbreak on Oct 31, 2009 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ahhh, the sweet smell of mediocrity. Breathe it in.
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Oct 31, 2009 2:43 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The Bulls need to find a way to get Booz or STAT in town fast.
The Raps are not going to trade Bosh and our real shot at getting Wade is landing one of those guys. We could probably get Boozer without giving up too much, but I believe the Suns will want a lot to get STAT. I also believe STAT will want more money than Boozer.
The Bulls future is Rose, Deng and Noah. Insert Wade, Boozer or STAT and we are title contenders. If I were Pax or Gar I would offer Tyrus, Johnson, James and a 2nd rounder for Boozer. For STAT I would offer Hinrich, Tyrus, Johnson, the rights to Asik and a 1st rounder. I would also require that PHX include Dudley.
If we do not take either of these approaches we can expect plenty of nights like this one.
Homecoming
by illwill on Oct 31, 2009 3:43 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
In the first 2 games Tyrus has been the best player
If you are looking at the Bulls constructively you’ll see the problem lies with the perimeter offense. Salmons hasn’t played well in either game, but when you look at his minutes his racking them up big time which really hurt the Bulls vs Boston. The game was tight when the two starting rotations were on the floor, it was Bostons bench that lit up the scoreboard while Rose, and Tyrus sat the bench. The Bulls weakness all year will be on the perimeter. Deng still doesnt have his legs, and even when he gets them hes not a great shooter, and Salmons was never a lights out shooter, both of whom have Rip Hamilton range without the movement and both are ball stoppers. Bad combinations, so again I am saying Kirt Hinricski should be starting and either bench Salmons or Deng!
by Mr Rhythm on Oct 31, 2009 7:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The game wasn't exactly tight with the starting lineup out there.
Check the gameflow. They were down 4 when John got pulled in the 1st, which wasn’t horrible. But in the 3rd the starting lineup was a -6 in the one minute before Lu got pulled, and -12 when additional starters got pulled midway through. And Tyrus and Derrick were both -19 in around 24 minutes. It was tight-ish in the first quarter, up till Wallace hit that end-of quarter basket, but starters and bench were both in on that.
I’m not throwing that out there as an indictment of Derrick or Ty at all – aside from the fact that +/- is the among the lousiest of stats to measure individual play, not a single player on the Bulls had a positive +/- for the night, and it’s pretty clear why when watching the game. However, you simply can’t put this one on the bench while claiming the starters kept it tight. As starting vs. bench lineups, the biggest negatives in +/- for the Bulls are on the starters, and the biggest positives on the Celtics on their starters. And, for this game, the starters didn’t play a ton more minutes to blame the disparity on.
But individually I’d also disagree with you on Ty being the best player – I’ve been pretty happy with him overall, but imo Joakim’s easily been the best player through these 2 games.
In honor of the dearly departed, I declare July PB&J month - everyone raise a sandwich to the memory of Ben!
by wjb1492 on Oct 31, 2009 8:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jokim was the best played, Tyrus was teh second-best, Derrick was decent [but needs to be better], Taj was decent, the rest of the team played like ass.
I support the Tornado Release [See: Joakim Noah]
by Prevenge on Oct 31, 2009 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hate my keyboard.
*joakim
*the
I support the Tornado Release [See: Joakim Noah]
by Prevenge on Oct 31, 2009 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The game was close, the Celtics big's were in foul trouble then the bench opened up the lead
Who was individually the best player isn’t really the issue, Noah has played well, so has Kirt. Everybody else has to step theire games up though. It’s only game two though, even the Lakers got beat down by the Mavs so it’s no real worry, but perimeter offense has to be fixed!
by Mr Rhythm on Oct 31, 2009 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I blame Salmons.
1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box
by fundamentallysound on Oct 31, 2009 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Noah and Rose clearly the best players
No one should be benched after two games (record 1 -1 ). Kirk is a welcome addition when he enters the game, but why this abnormal Hinrich love. Kirk might get back into the starting lineup? Yet, the issues here are greater than Kirk vs Salmons.
Others things to be concerned about
1) Consistent scoring inside presence needed (PF position is still producing journeyman production, irregardless of the Tyus Thomas fan club, Noah’s 2 double doubles are welcomed and consistent.) A 20-10 guy is needed in one of the two positions.
2) Consistent clutch, tough and critical scoring from the captain and highest paid player on the team. (4 pts and no free throws). Deng went and hid in the corner for a potential three point shot after feeling the defensive pressure the Celtics were bringing. Deng’s not even a 3pt shooter, but he stop running the baseline also?
"I tried being reasonable, I didn't like it."
"Go ahead, make my day"
"We boil at different degrees"
"A good man always knows his limitations"
"You've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel lucky?' Well, do ya punk?"
by exult463 on Oct 31, 2009 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You ask why Kirt get's love
He gets players open for shots. Without he and Rose no other Bulls perimeter player makes plays for others and right now I still say Kirt is slightly better than Rose at it. He can hit the open jumpers from the perimeter. He will play defense on anyone from the 1 to the 3 and play well. He brings chemistry and leadership to the team. I don’t see how anyone who knows the game can underestimate what this guy brings to the team!
by Mr Rhythm on Oct 31, 2009 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
if it was always just hinrich
then i think the people (in this blog?)’s oppinion would be far higher than it is, however kirk hinrich has been compared to ben gordon since gordon got here, so we have a guy who can flat out score in critical moments and has been the one who has delivered daggers in tight games, and we have a player that does all the small things and constantly overplays his ability, then with the contracts, one got paid one didnt….and then position wise, one has an all star on the same team playing the same position, while the other was the best on his position when on this team….so its why hinrich constantly gets thrown under the bus. Every missed shot, every missed layup, it just adds fuel to the fire.
People want heroes and athletes that can do insane things, rarely is there a desire by the public for a man who simply plays basketball at a higher level than his ability allows. Then theres the old saying its all about, “what have you done for me lately” and hinrich has had a bad season in 07, and injury in 08…
I always show my brother how in video games hinrich and gordons overall ratings are usually close, often hinrich has the higher rating, but ben gordon has high ratings in things that are easy to see, shooting, speed, inside scoring, while hinrich has high ratings in things thats harder to see, onball defense, offensive defensive awareness, hustle…..thats how i see them in real life too….
heh! but i also am a hinrich fan that has a flair for the dramatic ;p
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Oct 31, 2009 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Noah also played in the 4th quarter to add to those stats though when the other starters sat the bench
As for the 20 -10 remark, Tyrus scored all of his points from game one in the 3rd quarter where he got hot and then he didn’t get any run in the 4th quarter. In game two he got no run in the 4th quarter either. The point is he could have easilly hit that mark had he played, but like I said in that article when it first posted, Tyrus biggest opponent will be the coaches giving him the minutes.
by Mr Rhythm on Oct 31, 2009 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Has this team, or could this team be reduced to a group of stats stuffers?
I really get that impression and some of us as fans support it, …. win or lose!
Yet, the point you make about Tyrus is interesting and one that we should continue to watch?? Stategically to keep this market value lower! ?
Now that sounds a-typical Bulls organization..
"I tried being reasonable, I didn't like it."
"Go ahead, make my day"
"We boil at different degrees"
"A good man always knows his limitations"
"You've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel lucky?' Well, do ya punk?"
by exult463 on Oct 31, 2009 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exult I'm just looking at this from a business standpoint
If the Bulls don’t have any interest in keeping Tyrus, why let him reveal himself to be a good player before he leaves town when the fans will only blame management? It would make more sense for them to actually need him to have a off year so that his departure wont cause another BG effect where we are now debating Ben’s importance to the team.The question of Tyrus isn’t has he been a great player, its will he be one. Bulls management having clearly made up there mind last year about him, don’t need him developing into anywhere near a 20-10 guy only to let him go and possibly not get any star type player in the end from free agency. So we hear from Bulls media writers Tyrus shouldn’t start over Taj, Tyrus should play out of his position, Tyrus isn’t as good in the closing minutes as Miller check out this article by Sam Smith about last nights game vs Boston if you think I’m exagerating.
http://blogs.bulls.com/chicago_bulls_blog/2009/10/celtics-send-message-to-bulls-not-this-time.html
I could very well be wrong, but all the signs are pointing to this IMO!
by Mr Rhythm on Oct 31, 2009 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It only makes sense from a short-sighted business standpoint
If your business “success” model is so myopic it requires the failure of the product you’re trying to sell then you’re pretty much fucked and your business model is fatally stupid.
by Sports2 on Oct 31, 2009 5:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought the Bulls last year should have played in the Eastern conference finals vs the Cavs
I thought Orlando would put up a good fight because of the match up issue with Hedu and Rashard, but I knew Boston without KG and Leon Powe had no business beating the Chicago Bulls at all! Charles Barkley last year spoke of how certain teams did and still should give up games towards the end of the season to get a good draft pick as opposed to getting into the playoffs and losing in round one. I truly believe the Bulls did not want to win in the playoffs, look at game 7 alone with Vinny using a 4 guard line up for the first time all season. That alone is telling. My point is basketball is a business, and these guys are making calculated maneuvers and decisions, sometimes they’re right and other times they’re wrong. We just have to see how this one plays out.
by Mr Rhythm on Oct 31, 2009 8:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now you're delusional
The Bulls would have lost in 5 games against Orlando. And it wasn’t the first time he used the 4 guard lineup. Against Golden State, he used Rose-Gordon-Hughes-Sefolosha-Gooden.
Things could be worse. We could have kept Boylan.
by stupidgenius on Oct 31, 2009 9:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Golden State will put 4 guards on the floor on a regular basis
so any line up used aginst Golden State is gonna be dramatically different from the teams normal rotation.
by Mr Rhythm on Nov 1, 2009 8:43 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Also Orlando would be a tough matchup
but the Bulls had good match ups to challenge the Magic as opposed to what Cleveland had. Noah and Howard, Tyrus athleticism would have matched up well with Hedu, Salmons could play on Lewis, Rose definitely had the advantage over Alston, and B.G and Kirk matched up better than Courtney Lee who’s now in NJ. Also remember the Magic starting PG was still injured. The Bulls had a very good chance to get far last year, but Vinny seriously blew it!
by Mr Rhythm on Nov 1, 2009 8:47 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Really?
Rose>Alston
Gordon>Pietrus
Salmons<Turkoglu
Tyrus<Lewis
NoahLee
Miller=Gortat
VDN<SVG
That equates out to a loss, I think.
Things could be worse. We could have kept Boylan.
by stupidgenius on Nov 1, 2009 3:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Also getting a big man like Amare or Bosh makes no difference if the Bulls have no one to hit outside
All of the great teams with great big men have great shooters to make opposing teams pay when the big men get doubled. Shaq had Kobe, and Horry, and Fisher, or even Fox to hit big threes. Duncan has Manu, and he had Horry also, Bowen would hit from the one corner of the court Finley would hit also from the outside. D. Howard had Hedu, Lewis, Pietrus. Boston has KG but outside he has Allen, Pierce, House, Scalabrine. L.A last year had Gasol inside with Kobe, Fisher, Ariza, and the Russian dude. So you see to have a great team you need someone outside to help space the floor and hit the big ones and the Bulls do not have that anymore!
by Mr Rhythm on Oct 31, 2009 7:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kirk is good
Deng is OK, but can’t hit the 3 consistently. Generally I agree with you. I wish we could have kept Gordon for that reason, but I do think it is easier to find a skilled shooter than to find a skilled big guy. You can teach someone to shoot, you can’t teach height as they say.
by 72-10 on Oct 31, 2009 9:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hear you but really 72-10...
…how many skilled shooters who average 20ppg are there in the league outside of your superstars SGs (Kobe, Wade, Roy, Joe Johnson and Vince Carter)? By my estimation, this makes Gordon about the 6th best SG in the league IMO. The truth is he was gone one way or another after the Bulls played hard ball with him and lofted Deng and Hinrich big fat deals…but the Bulls should have gotten something or somebody for Gordon. Let him walk for nothing and that’s what bothers me most. I know it’s only been two games, but I TRULY believe that team the Bulls had to end last season was a stronger team that what the Bulls have now and that team could have grown together. With that roster we had to end the season the Bulls could have used Tyrus Thomas and Luol Deng as trade bait this off-season or sometime during this season to try and lure one of the big fellas and then the Bulls would have been very formidable going forward.
Call me foolish, but Ben Gordon won’t be that easy to replace. I like Salmons and i’m nowhere near as worried about this shooting slump as many others seem to be but I’d rather Salmons had stayed at the 3 and the Bulls still had Gordon at the 2. I just think the Bulls were a better team when they had two guys with three point range playing alongside Rose who were also capable of attacking from the wings instead of one like they do now. Deng can neither shoot the 3 consistently or attack off the dribble. The offense has to be just right for him to thrive and that’s unfortunate.
by lexdiamonds0730 on Oct 31, 2009 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jason Terry,
OJ Mayo, Ray Allen, Jason Richardson, JR Smith, Barbosa, Iguodala, Rudy Fernandez … plenty of scoring SGs who can shoot the 3.
I agree Deng isn’t a great fit with Rose, but neither was Gordon.
by YaoPau on Oct 31, 2009 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
At this point, Gordon is better than them all.
I said skilled shooters who average 20ppg. Neither of those guys has ever done that (or in the case of Ray Allen probably won’t do it anymore). Mayo will soon but for the time being I’d have taken Gordon. Also, with the exception of Ray Allen, Gordon is a more dangerous 3 pt shooter than all these guys and has done it consistently as his teams #1 weapon and not some complimentary player. NEVER underestimate how the difference in being #1 vs being complimentary. Now if Deng had been playing worth a damn the last few years or if the Bulls had picked up a legit #1 guy, then Gordon could have been complimentary. But that wasn’t the case and Gordon did what he could in that role and performed admirably IMO.
And don’t forget, we had J.R. Smith but didn’t want him. So there’s that.
by lexdiamonds0730 on Oct 31, 2009 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
As for Jason Terry...
….the same principle applies. Terry is a hell of a player and I love his attitude and energy. But Gordon has been just as productive if not more so that Terry (Terry makes about the same money as Gordon these days by the way and I don’t see anyone giving him grief about it) and if Gordon was ever on a team as good as the teams Terry has played on (Dallas) then he’d be very prominent.
But even Terry hasn’t been the shooter Gordon is…and again, he hasn’t been asked to be the #1 guy yet for his career only shoots a few % pts higher than Gordon from 2 pt range and is worse from 3pt range.
by lexdiamonds0730 on Oct 31, 2009 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, Gordon's an all-world shooter
If there were some way to adjust FG% to compensate for Degree of Difficulty, I wouldn’t be surprised if he was tops in the NBA.
But that doesn’t mean he isn’t replaceable. If we bring in Jason Richardson, how much worse of (if any) are we? Maybe JRich will shoot 39% from 3’s instead of 41%. Maybe he’ll score 18ppg instead of 20ppg. It’s a small difference. And JRich could make up for it with his better rebounding and defense.
by YaoPau on Oct 31, 2009 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
JRich has been on a lot of shitty teams where he didn't compensate for much
And JRich is older and quite a bit more expensive. And criminally stupid.
The more I look around, at least, the more obvious it is to me the Bulls made unattainable perfection the enemy of the attainable and good.
by Sports2 on Oct 31, 2009 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You put it real well there Sports2. Gordon was far from perfect, but...
… he was the best the Bulls had. I just think the Bulls would have been better served to get players on the team who were better than Gordon instead of punishing Gordon for not being able to carry this bunch the last few years.
Until I see otherwise, I am still on record as believing the team the Bulls fielded after the big trade last year is better than the team the Bulls have assembled this year. Salmons at the 3 and Gordon at the 2 was fine. The thing to do at that point IMO was to try and move a package of Thomas and Deng for one of the PFs who may be available. That would have given the Bulls the upfront scoring punch they need to go along with Noah’s hustle and the explosiveness of Derrick Rose…and would have given Rose two floor spacing shooters who are capable of creating as well (Gordon and Salmons) and that team would have grown into something special IMO.
by lexdiamonds0730 on Oct 31, 2009 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Salmons/Gordon was not fine
alongside Rose (at least the rookie version), you have 3 guys who absolutely don’t rebound or are particularly good team defenders.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Oct 31, 2009 6:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Interestingly Gordon had 7 boards last night
by Sports2 on Oct 31, 2009 8:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I noticed that too
Did anyone see the game and can tell me how he got the boards? Was it just the result of playing in 3-guard lineups most of the time, or was he active on the glass?
Things could be worse. We could have kept Boylan.
by stupidgenius on Oct 31, 2009 9:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I mean, they played the Thunder.
The team that starts Jeff Green at power forward. It’s not like Ben hasn’t had some crazy box scores before.
The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.
by Ozzie Montana on Oct 31, 2009 9:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gordon was a good fit, because when the defense collapsed on Rose BG was outside with the "J"
I believe most of Rose’s assist went to BG also
by Mr Rhythm on Oct 31, 2009 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He was a good fit only in that case though
I mean, Luol’s rebounding and defense is a good fit with Rose. That doesn’t mean, overall, he’s a good fit.
by YaoPau on Oct 31, 2009 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
True.....I just think if it wasnt for the defensive matchups with BG they two fit perfectly
Rose attacks the rim, BG hit the outside shots. They were almost like Isaiah and Joe Dumars. Oh well, it doesn’t matter now!
by Mr Rhythm on Oct 31, 2009 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with this comment, but I'd like to add
“Deng can neither shoot the 3 consistently or attack off the dribble. The offense has to be just right for him to thrive and that’s unfortunate”. and the defense has to also be right in that it can’t be intense ball pressured or highly physical
"I tried being reasonable, I didn't like it."
"Go ahead, make my day"
"We boil at different degrees"
"A good man always knows his limitations"
"You've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel lucky?' Well, do ya punk?"
by exult463 on Oct 31, 2009 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that foul he had on PP was so fucking awful.
I've got this thing and it's fucking golden!
by SoulEater7 on Oct 31, 2009 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's why I said I think he or Salmons should be benched for Kirt
Deng couldn’t beat anyone off the dribble last night, he had nice elevation on some rebounds, but he had no explosiveness off the dribble, no lift on his jumper and his speed isn’t the same. Salmons isn’t much quicker if at all. They are both average shooters, and neither of whom are particulary interested in racking up assists!
by Mr Rhythm on Oct 31, 2009 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Deng is a fine basketball player if in the right position.
But the truth is that the Bulls need him to do far more than I think he’s capable of doing in order to take the next step. It’s comical now, but I remember having debates with folks on this very site and a few others about Deng as a SF. It’s plain to see now, but I remember saying that Danny Granger would be better than Deng and getting killed for it.
Bottom line though is that he’s ours and we all gotta hope he has his head outta his ass most nights and plays well. If he averages close to what he did in the first game then I can live with him…but would still really like to move him as part of a package deal…and a team like the Raptors would likely make the best use of his skills.
by lexdiamonds0730 on Oct 31, 2009 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right now everyone is asked to do more
The Bulls want Rose to score more, Noah to be a double double man, Salmons to be a scoring two guard, Kirt to be a everything guard, Pargo to be good, Taj to be a good starter, Deng to come back from the broken leg and be a dominant scorer even though he never was one. If the Bulls just got a pure two guard in the draft or over the summer all would be good. They didnt and that’s this teams weakness.
by Mr Rhythm on Oct 31, 2009 8:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
point taken...
Gordon’s replacement (Pargo) isn’t the answer.
I just don’t thing the short term solution lies in trying to select between either Kirk or Salmons, at this point we need them both. And we need Kirk to be more offensively aggressive, 9 attempts needs to increase to 15. We may need both Kirk and Salmons on the floor at the same time. (with Gordon we always had 2 shooters on the floor, he’s gone but we still need two shooters)
"I tried being reasonable, I didn't like it."
"Go ahead, make my day"
"We boil at different degrees"
"A good man always knows his limitations"
"You've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel lucky?' Well, do ya punk?"
by exult463 on Oct 31, 2009 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe Hunter is the answer
Bring out the shotgun, we’re going hunting!
by 72-10 on Oct 31, 2009 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well maybe someone will pull a Cheney and hit John Paxson
"I tried being reasonable, I didn't like it."
"Go ahead, make my day"
"We boil at different degrees"
"A good man always knows his limitations"
"You've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel lucky?' Well, do ya punk?"
by exult463 on Oct 31, 2009 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously?
That’s WAAAAAY too much for Boozer. He’s an aging big man with a history of injuries who doesn’t play a lick of defense. I wouldn’t even trade TT straight up for Boozer’s lazy, malcontent ass. He shouldn’t even be starting in Utah, Milsap is the better player there.
I like STAT, but again—that’s just too much. We need Hinrich more than ever and I don’t know why we would trade JJ months after we drafted him—and Asik could be a real player for us.
The Celts are the best team in the league, stop panicking.
by kwintz on Oct 31, 2009 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Beat Miami we're 2-1.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
by MPG on Oct 31, 2009 6:55 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Which is to say,
good again.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
by MPG on Oct 31, 2009 6:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Heat are 2-0
I've got this thing and it's fucking golden!
by SoulEater7 on Oct 31, 2009 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great defensive strategy Vinny
Mmm.. Where is the new defensive prowess. What is disturbing is that Vinny always claims after the games that the team did not move the ball well and the flow was not good. But did the Bulls actually have a clue on how to disrupt the Celtic play? There was not mixing up of defensive plays. If the team is deep, why not stretch the court once in a while and try to deny the first offensive position of the Celtics. Make the team start in the wrong side, wrong spot,.. simple things like that Vinny does not teach. There is no attempt to press anytime. Start one on one and go into zone, or vise versa.Like Michael and Scottie always said, their offense starts at the defensive end.
by Fastbreak on Oct 31, 2009 9:14 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Sorry I just can't resist...
Last night:
Gordon 25pts, 7rebs, 4ast in 40min
Salmons 8pts, 2rebs, 1ast in 32min
Gotta love that height!
by Dils on Oct 31, 2009 9:18 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Also gott love the
8-20 shooting, 2 Turnovers, and the loss to OKC.
The NBA: Where Donaghy Happens.
by imissnoch on Oct 31, 2009 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
2 TOs in 40 minutes? Geez, BG should be sent to the NBADL to fix that problem
We have every right to dream heroic dreams. Those who say that we're in a time when there are no heroes, they just don't know where to look.
Ronald Reagan
by snley on Oct 31, 2009 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Send him down IMMEDIATELY!!!
See, that’s why Gordon isn’t a Bull today. Folks picking at anything the can find with him…and letting most of the other Bulls slide (Tyrus Thomas aside).
Gordon was the big reason Detroit was in the game…then Kevin Durant took over. But I know you guys all think Gordon should have been able to stop Durant from scoring so it’s all his fault.
by lexdiamonds0730 on Oct 31, 2009 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
8-20
Is better than 2-13. The loss to OKC is on the team, not Ben. And 2 TO’s in 40 mins is damn good.
Things could be worse. We could have kept Boylan.
by stupidgenius on Oct 31, 2009 5:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
nods
The Pistons have a lot of problems. Kwame Brown? Charlie Villanueva? Jason Maxiell? Prince is oook and is at least constantly healthy despite looking like he needs to eat a cheeseburger but he usually only looks crazy good against Deng. Their guards are fine, but they have huge front court problems. Wallace is coming out pretty strong, but he will make you play 4 on 5 with offense as we found out. Wouldn’t want to be them, but that’s no cause to gloat considering our list of problems.
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by cranscape on Oct 31, 2009 5:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
oook?
Prince is oook
"Then you need a center so if the ball gets stuck between the rim and backboard he can reach up and knock it loose instead of having to spend 15 minutes trying to hit it with a broom stick." – Sam Smith
by Granny Waiters on Oct 31, 2009 8:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Have you watched him over the last few years?
Back in 05/06 it looks like he was going to take off, but he’s leveled off into 14/5 guy. They need a lot more out of him than that and expected a lot more. He is steady as far as his health goes, but 7 years in you’d hope for better production out of him. I guess he should be lauded for doing so well as a late pick.
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by cranscape on Oct 31, 2009 9:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We were playing the Celtics
Who were the Pistons playing? The Grizzlies? Oh yeah—Detroit lost, too. Who gives a shit what BG is doing, he doesn’t play for this team anymore.
by kwintz on Oct 31, 2009 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
As a fan I do
Bg haters spent most of there time talking about what the guy didn’t do and we’re stuck with a tall guy who in 2 games is having his career avg.
by Dils on Oct 31, 2009 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"who in 2 games"
Also, in 2 games the Cavs were 0-2. Firesale!
by YaoPau on Oct 31, 2009 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
In two games
Salmons is around his career avg in points. Correct me if im wrong. So in other words, it’s not a fluke.People keep saying he’ll get better. This is who the guy is. If we don’t get the production from Deng like we did in the first game, Salmons better be putting up 20 a game. Period. Or Rose is going to have a lot of nights like last night
by Dils on Oct 31, 2009 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You had it until
“So in other words, it’s not a fluke”
Players usually don’t go from efficiently scoring 18ppg on two different teams at age 29 to scoring 9ppg at age 30. He had two bad shooting nights, it happens.
by YaoPau on Oct 31, 2009 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wait hold on
Answer my question. The guy is a career 8.8ppg player in this league right? Last year he avg 18ppg and he’s 30 years old and has been in the league 7 years. If there’s another definition of a fluke year, I’d love to see it.
by Dils on Oct 31, 2009 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess it's not a question. Just a statement. lol
by Dils on Oct 31, 2009 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well what's a fluke?
Pure luck, right? So what you’re arguing is Salmons scored 18.3ppg for the Kings, 18.3ppg for the Bulls, and 18.1ppg in the playoffs because he was lucky. What you’re arguing is – had he not been lucky – he would’ve scored 9ppg last year.
That’s a looot of luck :)
by YaoPau on Oct 31, 2009 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you know how irrational you sound?
A fluke is one game. Perhaps a month even. But an entire year of ‘flukes’? His production didn’t decrease even in the playoffs against the Celtics, but he has 2 bad games against the Spurs and the Celtics and his last year was a fluke.
Find me another player who averaged twice their career PPG for one year, then dropped back down to their career average the very next year.
by Stacey_Is_King on Oct 31, 2009 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Come on
I’m not being irrational. I’ll try one more time:
John Salmons is a CAREER 9ppg player in this league. PERIOD. That’s who he is OK. That’s his career avg even including last year. This guy is a 30 year old veteran who had a CAREER year last year. Those are his stats and I’m not even a numbers guy. My point is that there shouldn’t be any shock that in his first 2 games he’s avg his CAREER avg. Nor should there be any conclusions that he will necessarily avg 18 a game this season or any other season going forward.
The Bulls and many fans assumed that getting rid of a midget at the age of 26 who’s a CAREER 20ppg scorer in this league was OK because John Salmons could easily pick up that slack. I mean the guy is tall right?
All I’m saying is either management and fans underrated the guy that left or overrated the guy that’s here. But for Rose sake Salmons needs to be a 20ppg scorer and draw a freaking double team (which BG did) or it’s going to be a long season for a second year player with a bad ankle. I haven’t seen any proof that Salmons can consistently be that guy.
by Dils on Oct 31, 2009 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did you forget
That John Salmons first 4 seasons, he played for the Sixers? There was a certain player on the Sixers who pretty much took most of the shots for that team. If I’m playing beside Allen Iverson as a role player, I’m lucky to score 10 points a game.
He is off to a bad start, plain and simple. Sometimes your shot is not there. Add in the fact the Bulls were playing the BEST DEFENSIVE team in league while the Pistons were playing OKC.
Look, we played a Boston team that is trying to recapture what they had in 07-08 and the beginning of last season. They caught fire in the 3rd, Bulls still shot 15 of 20 in the 3rd but the Celtics were hitting from downtown. Also, throw in the fact that Boston was allowed to play “their defense” which is hit, smack, or grab without a foul called. Pisses me off but it is the NBA.
Forget about Gordon, he is gone and in Detroit now and I’ll lay money down he will never win a title in this league unless he gets on a team that has a dominant superstar or numerous All-Stars ala Ray Allen with Boston, Vinnie Johnson with Detroit, Steve Smith with San Antonio, Mitch Richmond or Glen Rice with LA, etc.
We will have cap room and Salmons doesn’t have to score 20 pts like Gordon, just a little better than he has started and I think we wil see that happen as the season progresses.
by BullsAttitude on Oct 31, 2009 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gordon will go on good teams
And win championships when he’s in his 30s. Right now, he’s in his prime, and his goal is to make money.
Things could be worse. We could have kept Boylan.
by stupidgenius on Oct 31, 2009 5:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually you are being irrational
You can simplify things by saying Salmons is a career 9 ppg scorer and his scoring average now isn’t a fluke. However, if you say that, you cannot ignore his shooting percentage. He’s a career 44.6% shooter who is shooting 17% right now….so this is the real John Salmons? Let’s be realistic
by Parrotman on Oct 31, 2009 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
His shooting % is that low?
I knew he was missing shots, but I didn’t know it was that bad. It just reinforces the arguement that Salmons didn’t have a fluke year, and that he’s simply playing badly.
by Stacey_Is_King on Oct 31, 2009 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
more pressure
than last year. maybe when he is the focus of attention on offense he shrinks..
by Fastbreak on Oct 31, 2009 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good point
I guess I’m trying to figure out who he is. When some say that he’ll be fine and put up 16-20 pts a game and have trust in him doing so, I say based on what? One outlier season? Because up to now that’s what it was. One season. And this is first season having to be the Go to guy right?
I’m just trying to say that no one should just openly assume that we can get that same production from this guy based on one season. And when I say production, I should include FG%, the number of shots he needs in a given game to be productive and can he compliment a PG that’s going to leave him a lot of wide open shots to knock down.
by Dils on Oct 31, 2009 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Those are his stats and I’m not even a numbers guy."
That’s clear.
by YaoPau on Oct 31, 2009 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right because you're the stat guy right?
by Dils on Oct 31, 2009 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know enough to know that minutes played
makes a difference, and that players can improve during their careers.
by YaoPau on Oct 31, 2009 5:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kinda, yeah, he is.
Things could be worse. We could have kept Boylan.
by stupidgenius on Oct 31, 2009 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Very good point
Salmons wasn’t even a great scorer in college!
by Mr Rhythm on Oct 31, 2009 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you want Salmons to help the Bulls
Move the man around, run him off screens where he’s closer to the rim. You cannot have him standing at the three point line all game waiting to do the dribble dribble pull up jumper he always does. He’s not super explosive so you have to get him moving. I mean if he’s gonna get 30 minutes a night if he’s on or not at least put him in place to make something happen!
by Mr Rhythm on Oct 31, 2009 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
When you pass him the ball while he is open
instead of shooting where he gets the pass he dribbles into traffic and does an off kilter, contested jumper. He never just pulls up where he gets the ball. When he is at the 3pt line doing a “spot up” shot he holds the ball until someone has time to get in his face. He makes his shots harder than they need to be. Rose can’t do anything about that. He does give Salmons passes when he is open.
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by cranscape on Oct 31, 2009 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Disappointing to be sure.
Like plenty of folks have said, this was a tough game that we expect to lose.
OK, but fufilling this prediction does tell us something, doesnt it. It tells us this team doesnt, at this point, have the sort of reserve of disciploine, desire, leadership and talent to step up and win (or even be competitive) in the face of too much adversity.
by Sports2 on Oct 31, 2009 9:50 AM CDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
maybe they don't have those things
But need I remind you that Luol really thinks everyone is super nice
USE THE SOFTWARE. Actions-> Rec/Flag. Reply to comments with the reply button. Rec good fanposts/fanshots so the crud gets pushed down.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Oct 31, 2009 10:43 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Deng might be the most unathletic
Non-center in the league. He plays like Brad Miller without Miller’s height, shot, passing ability or insticts. Other than that Luol is a gem.
by Duck99 on Oct 31, 2009 10:52 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Surely Deng is at least a quarter-of-second faster than Brad Miller!
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"A good man always knows his limitations"
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by exult463 on Oct 31, 2009 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It is hard to tell
since whenever Miller drives to the basket the camera men switches to slow motion. At least I think they do…
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by cranscape on Oct 31, 2009 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
so we should just say..
“ohh he is such a nice guy” when he clunks another shot because someone put up the hand 10 feet away from him.
by Fastbreak on Oct 31, 2009 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And the Cavs should just quit now.
It’s one game and tells us next to nothing about the team or the season.
by Scotter on Oct 31, 2009 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Salmons will come around.
But it’s clear he’s feeling the scoring burden without BG. You know.. ever since Jordan left it’s like one step forward two steps back with this team.
I've got this thing and it's fucking golden!
by SoulEater7 on Oct 31, 2009 10:18 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm hoping we see
a different Salmons in the game tomorrow.
Recipe for Disaster;
C'mon Cubs, hurry up and blow this so I can relax.
by Bluekoolaide on July22, 2009 3:08 PM CDT
by sue369 on Oct 31, 2009 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Being the #1 offensive option is a little different than being anything else.
And until Rose gets healthy and assumes the role of leader, Deng and Salmons will feel the burn that Gordon felt for the better part of 5 years as a Bull. I only wonder if they’ll get the same scorn around here that Gordon got.
Again though, I think Salmons will be alright. I really am not worried about him at this point. I can see him averaging about 16 a game as the season goes on. HOWEVER, I have noticed that this guy holds the ball and stops movement just as often if not more often than Gordon. I’m just waiting for the folks who killed Gordon for it to acknowledge it if it keeps happening.
by lexdiamonds0730 on Oct 31, 2009 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was a mistake to think
that it would simply take some of our regular guys just taking a few more shots a game to make up for BG’s contribution. When guys are forced to take more shots that are not of their choosing and contested (especially since they also have to take the end of the shot clock type shots that used to go to BG) their shooting percentage doesn’t magically increase to BG’s level. They are out of their comfort zone and have to work harder for every point. Last night I saw a bunch of guys uncomfortable with what shots they forced to take.
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by cranscape on Oct 31, 2009 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't think we were terrible yesterday...
I’m not panicking. We simply could not hit our shots. You know how San Antonio couldn’t do the night before? It happens.
by i_like_turtles on Oct 31, 2009 10:49 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Actually Salmons and Deng couldn't hit the shots
I think everyone else shot decent.
by Mr Rhythm on Oct 31, 2009 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fugly
This had blowout written all over it
Right off the bat, they arrived late as they prepared for the second game of a back-to-back, then some Boston D-Bag sets the fire alarm off and is probably laughing hysterically in some annoying Boston accent right now.
It’s difficult to judge players when you get so completely destroyed. I hate to think that the Bulls are this far away from competing from a championship. I’ll give them a pass for tonight, but Vinny has to have his guys better prepared for road games than this. It’s frighteningly similar to how they started last year on the road, and we haven’t even started the circus trip yet! Although one could argue what happened out there tonight was very similar to a bunch of clowns running around.
Let’s face it, John Salmon’s is having a rough start to the season. As Gordon’s SG replacement, he was looked to as being able to pick up the scoring. Well, he had a bad game one and even worse game two. He shot a miserable 2/14 and did not do much defensively to slow down Ray Allen. Allen is a hall of famer, but Fish needs to flat out pick it up. I think he will. I’ve seen enough from John last year to know he’s better then what he’s shown so far.
And the other whipping boy from today’s game, Luol Deng had an awful night as well. The "Man from Sudan" played like his other unfortunate nick name "The Fluke from Duke" as he only scored 4 points tonight. That is completely unacceptable. Especially in a game where the Celtics were collapsing the lane but giving the Bulls outside shot opportunities. Again, I know Luol’s better than this, but at the same time he is expected to contribute much more than that.
But we would have won for sure if Gordon played right! Fuck no. We would have got blown out just as bad. It was just one of those nights. Bulls are going to have to dust themselves off and get ready for their next road game in Miami. Wade, the future 2010 Chicago Bull will be there, hopefully John Salmons and Luol Deng will be there too!
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by RogersPark Kris on Oct 31, 2009 11:19 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Last night sucked
But if a week ago you told me we’d be 1-1 after a back-to-back with San Antonio and Boston I would have been thrilled.
by patagonia on Oct 31, 2009 11:28 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
and THESE are your Chicago Bulls folks!...
…seriously, they aren’t as good as they were against the Spurs and they won’t be as bad as they were last night. At the same time, I completely expect to see way more games like last night’s game. Gotta love Kirk throwing 100mph rocket passes within a 1ft distance! Go Cap’n Kirk!! Yay!
left shark - "Kirk needs to go and join Ben Gordon and L Deng somewhere else trade Deng and Hinrich they no good"
by NormVanBeer on Oct 31, 2009 11:29 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
My Nemesis
Returns…..
::Shakes fist::
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Oct 31, 2009 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The bulls have a hard time with any team that gets physical with them
I am really upset with the loss for a few reasons. we had garnet with two early fouls and we could have taken advantage. the bulls have a hard time with any team that garnet is on dating back to the t wolves. the reason is garnet brings a lot of hard and maybe dirty game. salmons will pick up for sure, i am just really worried about deng. ii really hope that he does not continue to play like this. now do you guys see where hinrich plays such a big role. say whatever you want but hinrich is necessary until rose becomes the player he is destined to be. The celtics and the lakers both completely healthy are two teams i know the bulls will struggle with. lets just get ready for miami
Bulls NBA CHAMPS BY 2010
by glycen on Oct 31, 2009 11:31 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I need Sunday so bad to get this off my mind that this team is not as doomed as
it feels right now. They need to win Sunday.
I've got this thing and it's fucking golden!
by SoulEater7 on Oct 31, 2009 12:14 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The Celtics that hurt the Bulls Eddie House who had 22 points off the bench
Ray Allen, and Paul Pierce. This means Deng and Salmons had awful shooting games and equally awful perimeter defense, now they have Wade Sunday, and Rose has another pg who takes it to him in Mario Chalmers. I hope Salmons gets his A game back and Rose ankle is feeling better!
by Mr Rhythm on Oct 31, 2009 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was predictable.
Gotta love that team chemistry. Just ignore all the numbers and believe that the Bulls are gonna win 53 games because they love each other.
And Vinny doesn’t know how to handle his rotations. John Salmons isn’t an elite scorer by any stretch of the imagination. He’s about as one-dimensional as Ben, and has no business in a game if he’s not scoring.
The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.
by Ozzie Montana on Oct 31, 2009 12:19 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I say screw going for Wade go for Durant.
Isn’t he a FA in 2011?
I've got this thing and it's fucking golden!
by SoulEater7 on Oct 31, 2009 12:27 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Pretty sure he extended his contract already.
by Stacey_Is_King on Oct 31, 2009 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The picked up the option
But no extension yet
by Option27 on Oct 31, 2009 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Durant and Rose together is one dangerous combo!
I think this is better than Rose and Wade
by Mr Rhythm on Oct 31, 2009 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and I think their buddies.
I love OKC I lived there as a kid but there isn’t anything there. You would think he’d wanna be in a larger market.
I've got this thing and it's fucking golden!
by SoulEater7 on Oct 31, 2009 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
2nd Tier
The Bulls will probably lose all their games against Boston, Cleveland and Orlando. What will determine their season is how they do against the other potential playoff teams: Miami, Atlanta, Wash, Detroit, Toronto and Phil (unless Cleve drops to 2nd tier).
What’s frustrating is watching them revert to Skiles’ level offense where they run their set, and if it doesn’t work, noone wants to shoot . The first two games I found myself hoping Kirk or Fish would shoot late in the shot clock since they seem to be the only ones who can shoot off a dribble. Gordon was great as an option in these situations and would have made this team better. They wouldn’t have been championship caliber, however, and if the Bulls had given BG the contract that he got from Detroit their opportunity to improve would have been severely limited.
by El Toro de Goro on Oct 31, 2009 1:52 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Man
The bulls really are = to the Bears arent they
Both have an Overpaid player that everyone says will be good when healthy but we havent seen it for a long while and the flashes weve seen werent all that great
Both have a floor general (qb=to the pg spot) who is amazingly athletic and is the first true star that this team has had since its last dynasty
Both have had high draft picks that seemed to be borderline allstars or great players suddenly turn around and have bad seasons
Both have great teams and excite people into thnking that they are ready for the next step, only to lose close games and have people try to face the fact that they arent as good as they thought despite the new floor general
both have coaches that talks a good (if not limited) talk but people are constantly questioning the coach.
Kyle Orton=Ben Gordon
Rex Grossman=Kirk hinrich
Both are teams with a huge and awesome history of an undefeatable dynasty that people still claim could take anyteam past or present, while in the present both teams are more teetering on just being mediocre and hoping that the next few years will land them the right stars to go back to glory….
Both teams make considerable ammount of money despite the mediocre product cuz people just cant not keep hope…
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Oct 31, 2009 1:58 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
I still like to think the Bulls are better in their respective sport than the Bears.
But what you’re saying is spot-on.
by Stacey_Is_King on Oct 31, 2009 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think they are pretty much in the same place.
They both have stars but they have to figure out how to build around them. They will both probably have to tear it down first to get it right.
I've got this thing and it's fucking golden!
by SoulEater7 on Oct 31, 2009 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The difference with football is that
you can tell pretty early on if the team is going to go anywhere that season. Lose a few too many games and the season is lost even when it is just the half way point in the season. With basketball you can go on deluding yourself through March.
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by cranscape on Oct 31, 2009 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kurt is better than Grossman
And you’re a Hinrich fan, for god’s sake. I would think you would make him better than Grossman. I mean, I know that skill wasn’t the point, but no one should be compared to Grossman.
Things could be worse. We could have kept Boylan.
by stupidgenius on Oct 31, 2009 5:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha
i tend to get that alot and it always cracks me up, the comparison to grossman actually began the first time i played 2k7 and my brother pointed out, “hey kirk hinrich looks more like rex grossman than himself!” aside from that the general way the media talked about grossman mirrored the way people on this site talked about kirk hinrich, grossman also had a great year once at the same time kirk did, but the next year when they sucked, people considered how grossman wasnt a real quarterback and at the same time blogabull debated how kirk wasnt a true pg
But yea Im not comparing skill wise, Hinrich is still a solid starter in the nba, somewhere within the top 20, while grossman is simply a backup not fit to start, for anyone…
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Oct 31, 2009 7:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pargo's shooting is as streaky as Grossman's passing.
no one should be compared to Grossman.
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by Granny Waiters on Oct 31, 2009 8:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dang
The Bulls got outscored by 28 in the third overtime?
Wait…
"Goals are good. Plans are better." -Ben.
by Sabonis4Ever on Oct 31, 2009 4:29 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
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