Open Game Thread #2 OVERFLOW: Bulls at Boston Celtics
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Bulls come back and win thread!!
Recipe for Disaster;
C'mon Cubs, hurry up and blow this so I can relax.
by Bluekoolaide on July22, 2009 3:08 PM CDT
bulls need communication
no, bulls need to hit some shots
I love how ESPN picks this game a back to back for the Bulls
and then complains the whole game.
I've got this thing and it's fucking golden!
Working stream
"Then you need a center so if the ball gets stuck between the rim and backboard he can reach up and knock it loose instead of having to spend 15 minutes trying to hit it with a broom stick." – Sam Smith
Or
"Then you need a center so if the ball gets stuck between the rim and backboard he can reach up and knock it loose instead of having to spend 15 minutes trying to hit it with a broom stick." – Sam Smith
by Granny Waiters on Oct 30, 2009 8:36 PM CDT up reply actions
God fucking damn it Derrick keep Rondo off the glass.
1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box
by fundamentallysound on Oct 30, 2009 8:34 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
this is the play of the game for me
derrick’s ankle is no good? fine. put a body on the guy! you’ve played one full nba season, and one full 7 game series against this dude, c’mon!
so right from the jump, instead of a transition chance early, they’re down 18, and pierce joins allen with confidence from the arc. (and it goes from there…)
the name of the team is The DIAMONDBACKS
his legs are gone
give him a break, the half wasn’t long enough obviously … ugh.
I support the Tornado Release [See: Joakim Noah]
BOX. OUT. RONDO.
We are the angry mob. We read the papers everyday day.
We like who we like. We hate who we hate.
But we're also easily swayed
garnett just set about 3 moving screens
no call, of course
Derrick sucks today.
Flat out sucks.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
yessir
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Oct 30, 2009 8:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Sobering reminder of just how far away the Bulls still are
by RogersPark Kris on Oct 30, 2009 8:36 PM CDT reply actions
Not really
The Celtics are the best team in the league.
Laaaaakers.
1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box
by fundamentallysound on Oct 30, 2009 8:39 PM CDT up reply actions
that's the point.
1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box
by fundamentallysound on Oct 30, 2009 8:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Hook shot, good.
Sick pass, assist. Spin move, dunk.
Holy crap Kirk, get on Ray
1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box
by fundamentallysound on Oct 30, 2009 8:37 PM CDT reply actions
We can't make anything and they are making everything
Just one of those nights
We are the angry mob. We read the papers everyday day.
We like who we like. We hate who we hate.
But we're also easily swayed
Maybe not just "one of those nights"...I think this is going to be a bad-shooting team
It’s a problem. Too bad they don’t have someone that hit an outside shot like Be…never mind.
by hitlesswonder on Oct 30, 2009 8:39 PM CDT up reply actions
so take them oiut
make them play the bench. Make the bench make shots.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Oct 30, 2009 8:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Captain Clank. Damn it.
1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box
by fundamentallysound on Oct 30, 2009 8:38 PM CDT reply actions
deeeeetroooit baaaasetkballl
We are the angry mob. We read the papers everyday day.
We like who we like. We hate who we hate.
But we're also easily swayed
Ray Allen is absolutely working Kirk right now.
1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box
by fundamentallysound on Oct 30, 2009 8:39 PM CDT reply actions
yes he is....sadly
Recipe for Disaster;
C'mon Cubs, hurry up and blow this so I can relax.
by Bluekoolaide on July22, 2009 3:08 PM CDT
doesn't matter. we're trading 2 for 3, and we're already down by 20. Christ this sucks.
1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box
by fundamentallysound on Oct 30, 2009 8:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Over-rated defender
And Pierce is beating the Bulls down court. Very unimpressive display.
by hitlesswonder on Oct 30, 2009 8:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Allen isn't usually bothered by defenders.
If he goes off you just hope you have someone who can offensively match him to offset the damage. Defending him better doesn’t make a difference.
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holy shit. stop letting them get open 3s. god damn it
1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box
by fundamentallysound on Oct 30, 2009 8:40 PM CDT reply actions
wow no foul there?
how much contact is required?
Salmons is killing us. Jesus he's awful.
1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box
by fundamentallysound on Oct 30, 2009 8:40 PM CDT reply actions
Noah is trying to get things turned around.
Too bad he can’t play all positions. I’m really impressed with his form inside.
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Salmons is just shit tonight.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
defense, offense, hustle -
he’s got nothing. Why are we playing him?
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
that wide open Pierce three
is Rose;s fault. Rose has to make Rondo stop the dribble and move left or right. Rose is back peddling all the way to the FT line.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Oct 30, 2009 8:42 PM CDT up reply actions
I blame the false fire alarm
"Tyrus run, RUN!" - Vinny D
by RogersPark Kris on Oct 30, 2009 8:41 PM CDT reply actions
I blame John Salmons.
1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box
by fundamentallysound on Oct 30, 2009 8:41 PM CDT up reply actions
I really thought the 11.5 spread on this game was really high
Shows how much I know
We are the angry mob. We read the papers everyday day.
We like who we like. We hate who we hate.
But we're also easily swayed
I'm gonna
watch the Blackhawks for a while.
Recipe for Disaster;
C'mon Cubs, hurry up and blow this so I can relax.
by Bluekoolaide on July22, 2009 3:08 PM CDT
he is, however, tall.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
Yeah, cause Gordon's lack of height was the thing holding the Bulls back
It’s surprising hwo many people really felt that was the case…
by hitlesswonder on Oct 30, 2009 8:44 PM CDT up reply actions
So everytime the Bulls lose
We’re gonna bring up Ben Gordon?
"Tyrus run, RUN!" - Vinny D
by RogersPark Kris on Oct 30, 2009 8:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Looks like it. :-(
Recipe for Disaster;
C'mon Cubs, hurry up and blow this so I can relax.
by Bluekoolaide on July22, 2009 3:08 PM CDT
Yes, yes, yes.
"Then you need a center so if the ball gets stuck between the rim and backboard he can reach up and knock it loose instead of having to spend 15 minutes trying to hit it with a broom stick." – Sam Smith
by Granny Waiters on Oct 30, 2009 8:45 PM CDT up reply actions
I'd rather just blame Pargo for everything
We are the angry mob. We read the papers everyday day.
We like who we like. We hate who we hate.
But we're also easily swayed
The mistakes the Bulls are making
are the things everyone put on BG’s shoulders and said would be gone when he was gone. It is only fitting that when they slip into the same offensive and defensive problems that it is brought up. Hopefully not all seasons, but what else is there to talk about tonight?
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only when it's salmons' fault
I support the Tornado Release [See: Joakim Noah]
Thats what plenty folks around here did for the 5 years Gordon was around.
Too bad for those folks he isn’t here to blame stuff on anymore. Gotta find a new scapegoat.
by lexdiamonds0730 on Oct 31, 2009 1:16 AM CDT up reply actions
When this game is over
Can we have a post discussing similarities between John Salmons and Jalen Rose?
i love how when
salmons has a good game next week, he’ll be everyone favorite
The NBA: Where Donaghy Happens.
It's almost like
BG’s never had a two game slump
It isnt about just Salmons offense
Where’s the defense???
14-8-3 in 25 minutes
Not exactly a stellar game for Pierce. And Deng was on him too.
Ray Ray and Pierce
Salmons isn’t a great defender, but neither was Gordon. Salmons’ offense has been worse than his D this game.
not the point
people claimed BG was this radically up and down player who was killing us on D as well … Salmons isn’t any better. In fact, if you look at his career – he is much worse.
by Basketball Smurf on Oct 30, 2009 8:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Nobody said Salmons was better
he’s a decent 1 year fill in.
No he isn't
They ran a 26 year old 20 pt a game shooter out of town for a 30 yr old 8ppg shooter
They ran him out of town to free up $10 mil in 2010
We weren’t going to win a title this year anyway
Right
and the reason he’s gone is sitting on the bench counting his money
Well if you can un-sign Luol, please do
It’s irrelevant now. It wasn’t shipping out Gordon to keep Salmons though.
No
but I didn’t realize at the time that Salmons was going to get 35+ minutes a night guaranteed either.
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he is better. he does more
imagine if gordon were playin pierce. itd be much much worse
The NBA: Where Donaghy Happens.
Everyone slumps-
but he’s not playing hard. Not defending, rebounding, taking it to the rim. Shooting comes and goes. But his effort is extremely low tonight.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
by MPG on Oct 30, 2009 8:44 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Another quarter, the same shit
Time to play the rookies, Hunter and Pargo… Rose needs to rest for the next game.
Jannero Pargo = Larry Hughes 2.0
Derrick didn't really play this game.
Kind of approached it like cardio. So that’s…kinda good I guess.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
Dump the ball to tyrus/joakim
every play!
I support the Tornado Release [See: Joakim Noah]
He looks awful tonight.
When Pierce makes him look old and slow, that’s not good.
In fact the 2 most depressing things about this game:
1) Luol looks like he’s in concrete
2) Rose is still not being aggressive going to rack or creating and looks gimpy.
by hitlesswonder on Oct 30, 2009 8:47 PM CDT up reply actions
It will be another 5 or 6 games before Rose gets back to normal.
He’ll have a spectacular game or two but he won’t be where he needs to be till a few games out.
by lexdiamonds0730 on Oct 31, 2009 1:21 AM CDT up reply actions
Great.
Boston just HAS to play it’s best game EVER against us.
Defensively they are owning the lane
"Tyrus run, RUN!" - Vinny D
by RogersPark Kris on Oct 30, 2009 8:45 PM CDT up reply actions
This is like the reverse
Bulls/Miami match up. Only we are getting blown out. I knew I shouldn’t have gloated about it these last few years.
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He isn't playing like a team.
He’s making shots, getting rebounds, getting back on defense…that is not how a team player on the Bulls plays. He needs to get in line and be more humble.
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congratulations crannie!
of all the idiot, what have you done lately, cub fans commenting here now, you’re still the most annoying!
the name of the team is The DIAMONDBACKS
Too many commas in there for me. Try again.
I’m not a cubs fan . You might have been insinuating that maybe? I can’t tell. I don’t watch baseball. I work during the day. I don’t watch soaps which are on at the same time and garner the same attention from me. Next insult? I can wait for you to get a dictionary if it would help.
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by cranscape on Oct 30, 2009 9:01 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
ESPN announcers brown nosing Boston. Yuck :(
"Then you need a center so if the ball gets stuck between the rim and backboard he can reach up and knock it loose instead of having to spend 15 minutes trying to hit it with a broom stick." – Sam Smith
On Blog a Bull, its "Porkins".
"Then you need a center so if the ball gets stuck between the rim and backboard he can reach up and knock it loose instead of having to spend 15 minutes trying to hit it with a broom stick." – Sam Smith
by Granny Waiters on Oct 30, 2009 8:48 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't like any player on the Celtics roster. Except for maybe Jesus Shuttlesworth.
We are the angry mob. We read the papers everyday day.
We like who we like. We hate who we hate.
But we're also easily swayed
celtics are shooting 58% for the game right now
and we’re shooting 34%
As long as Vinny is coach...
This team won’t go as far as it could. His coaching can be horrendous at times.
Mr. Dyess
It's only 25 points guys
rah rah rah … wait … 27
I support the Tornado Release [See: Joakim Noah]
We've already matched what we scored in the last quarter.
Lets try to hit 60.
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We're at 61!
Go bulls go!!!
I support the Tornado Release [See: Joakim Noah]
Lets go for 70!
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71
Recipe for Disaster;
C'mon Cubs, hurry up and blow this so I can relax.
by Bluekoolaide on July22, 2009 3:08 PM CDT
OK, now let's get more points than the other team
I support the Tornado Release [See: Joakim Noah]
OMG. I wish for 80 now! If we all concentrate really hard it can happen.
(it would be nice if the final score didn’t look so horrible so that people who missed the game might not realize what took place here tonight)
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Taj trying to guard KG
is almost as funny as John Salmons.
Yeah, this game is out of hand, why not play the guy.
Is he already that far in the dog house he’s gonna get two DNPs to start the year?
He's only played 31 minutes so far.
And there is still the whole 4th quarter yet to go.
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nice shot salmons
I support the Tornado Release [See: Joakim Noah]
Fuck. John. Salmons.
1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box
by fundamentallysound on Oct 30, 2009 8:49 PM CDT reply actions
Now 2 for 14 :(
"Then you need a center so if the ball gets stuck between the rim and backboard he can reach up and knock it loose instead of having to spend 15 minutes trying to hit it with a broom stick." – Sam Smith
by Granny Waiters on Oct 30, 2009 8:50 PM CDT up reply actions
VDN
needs to fucking pull salmons. WTF? why stick with someone this fucking bad?
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
maybe he has it sunday. great.
but jesus h christ there are other players on that bench, Vinny.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
The Bulls should start flagrant fouling.
"Then you need a center so if the ball gets stuck between the rim and backboard he can reach up and knock it loose instead of having to spend 15 minutes trying to hit it with a broom stick." – Sam Smith
I'd like to see Miller lay the wood on KG.
1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box
by fundamentallysound on Oct 30, 2009 8:51 PM CDT up reply actions
And Rondo.
"Then you need a center so if the ball gets stuck between the rim and backboard he can reach up and knock it loose instead of having to spend 15 minutes trying to hit it with a broom stick." – Sam Smith
by Granny Waiters on Oct 30, 2009 8:52 PM CDT up reply actions
They are playing a bigger, better team on the road
They didn’t shoot well last night either. They just boarded enough to make up for it.
by hitlesswonder on Oct 30, 2009 8:52 PM CDT up reply actions
How do we beat
a San Antonio team who experts say may win it all, then bend over the next night like this to the Celtics?
Mr. Dyess
back to back second game, travel, someone pulled the fire alarm at their hotel, AND
the Bulls stink on the road.
1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box
by fundamentallysound on Oct 30, 2009 8:52 PM CDT up reply actions
San Antonion really didn't play very well and we played pretty good.
I doubt we’re a better team than San Antonio, but we’re nowhere near as bad a team as we looked tonight.
by lexdiamonds0730 on Oct 31, 2009 1:25 AM CDT up reply actions
Tyrus has only played 22 minutes
and he only got like 25 last game. What a bunch of shit. I wish Taj wasn’t on this team so Vinny’s retarded ass didn’t have the option of playing his weak ass.
He'll turn it around.
I’m a BG guy and wish we still had #7 out there at the 2, but Salmons is better than 5 for 29. I get the feeling he won’t shoot much better than 40% from the field this season but he’ll definitely shoot better than the 16% he’s shooting now.
by lexdiamonds0730 on Oct 31, 2009 1:26 AM CDT up reply actions
Derrick didn't even try tonight.
there were multiple times the game was hanging in the balance and he just kept passing it off, floating into the corner, jogging back. he talks a lot about being the best at his positition. and maybe he’s hurt or not in shape or whatever. but tonight it certainly didn’t look like he wanted it very much.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
Well, maybe the game wouldn't have been like this if their "superstar" player showed a pulse
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Oct 30, 2009 8:53 PM CDT up reply actions
We were down by 4 when Vinny took Rose out for the first time.
We’ve not seen the single digit mark since.
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Based on this game, Rose is all talk.
1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box
by fundamentallysound on Oct 30, 2009 8:53 PM CDT up reply actions
when exactly was the game hanging in the balance
by Basketball Smurf on Oct 30, 2009 8:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Early on we were hanging around 8 points...
then at the onset of the second half, we were either gonna come out hard or get blown out. Derrick was MIA both times.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
I agree that Derrick is too deferential and floats too much...
He needs a decent coach
by hitlesswonder on Oct 30, 2009 8:54 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't think this is a good game to really measure any of the Bulls
Boston has dominated on the defensive side from the opening tip
"Tyrus run, RUN!" - Vinny D
by RogersPark Kris on Oct 30, 2009 8:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Noah and Tyrus are doing fine.
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Noah And Tyrus are a combined - 41 +/-
"Tyrus run, RUN!" - Vinny D
by RogersPark Kris on Oct 30, 2009 9:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Nobody is going to have a good +/- tonight
We are the angry mob. We read the papers everyday day.
We like who we like. We hate who we hate.
But we're also easily swayed
They also played along side Salmons and Deng most of the game.
That does effect your +/- y’know.
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Why do we waste a 16th pick in a guy if we don't pretend to play him never?
This organization is so stupid
Jannero Pargo = Larry Hughes 2.0
You dont play a rookie picked in the mid round when you have vets.
He’ll get his time. It is only game 2.
by Playboy_Bull on Oct 30, 2009 8:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Fuck the vets
Some of them are worst. Pargo is worst and he’s playing. Even the 26th pick is playing…
Jannero Pargo = Larry Hughes 2.0
And we're all mentioning Salmons shitty night...
how bout the big ZERO POINT from Luol? This is our second option?
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
lol 2 points.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
LOL Deng?
dude’s a joke, so the nickname may be apropos
stop shooting jump shots
go to the rim, dont pass out, attack attack attack.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Oct 30, 2009 8:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Once we got them in foul trouble I thought they'd capitalize on it.
They were in foul trouble by the end of the first quarter but you wouldn’t know it based on what our offense decided to do the rest of the game.
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as long as Doc wants to leave in his starters
might as well root for injurys. c’mon awkward landing on the knee, KG!
Except for the fact that
Doc is a prick and so is every single member of the Boston Celtics.
John Salmons and Luol Deng didnt play well offensively
Vinny coached awfully, Hubie Brown said it best with Salmons and Luol shooting this bad “you will not win a game vs a team like the Celtics”
Pargo you suck.
Recipe for Disaster;
C'mon Cubs, hurry up and blow this so I can relax.
by Bluekoolaide on July22, 2009 3:08 PM CDT
by sue369 on Oct 30, 2009 8:56 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
that's the first time i've ever heard you tell a player he sucks.
I like it. And you are correct. :)
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
I try not to
do that but he just pisses me off.
Recipe for Disaster;
C'mon Cubs, hurry up and blow this so I can relax.
by Bluekoolaide on July22, 2009 3:08 PM CDT
Rose got outplayed by Rondo and Kirk tonight. He was the third best PG on the floor tonight.
1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box
by fundamentallysound on Oct 30, 2009 8:57 PM CDT reply actions
no, it's true. He might be hurt, but it doesn't change the fact that he got outperformed
by a lot tonight.
1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box
by fundamentallysound on Oct 30, 2009 9:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Also, this is not (at least on my part) just overreacting to one game
This was the case last year too. If he wants to be the best and be like a LeBron he has to get a lot better. And he should be held to a real high standard
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Oct 30, 2009 9:02 PM CDT up reply actions
You and me are on the same wavelength right now.
Remember game 1 of the playoffs when he went all-out and dropped 36 on these guys? Where is that version of Derrick?!?!
Yea
Just look at Carmelo and LeBron and Roy, all these guys, they do that shit night in, night out regardless of opponent. I like Derrick, He’s a good player and that’s fine. But quit talking about being the best or whatever when you play like this most of the time
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Oct 30, 2009 9:06 PM CDT up reply actions
you're right
2nd year PGs who missed all of the preseason should probably drop 36 on the best defensive team in the NBA routinely.
Hinrich is 3-8 and 0-5 from 3
he isn’t exactly lighting it up. Rondo’s assist are too wide open Celtics at the 3 pt line, I don’t know how Rose is suppose to prevent those. It was a bad all around game from everyone. I see no point in singling Rose out for scorn when he missed the preseason and is injured.
by Basketball Smurf on Oct 30, 2009 9:02 PM CDT up reply actions
I'd like to see a bench clearing brawl and Paul Pierce getting rocked by a TT right
while KG gets karate kicked by JJ who then roundhouse kicks Perkins!
Let's all bash our franchise player
even though he is returning from an injury in his second season at the age of 21 WHILE forgetting about two “vets” who look like they belong in the YMCA over 50 rec. league.
by kwintz on Oct 30, 2009 8:58 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I've noticed Bulls fans always bash their best player
this is what would happen to BG7 when the Bulls had a bad game. He would just get all the blame – nobody really mentioning that Deng and Salmons are 4 for 22.
by Basketball Smurf on Oct 30, 2009 9:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Kurt has 5 of the Bulls 11 3-point misses.
"Then you need a center so if the ball gets stuck between the rim and backboard he can reach up and knock it loose instead of having to spend 15 minutes trying to hit it with a broom stick." – Sam Smith
by Granny Waiters on Oct 30, 2009 9:02 PM CDT up reply actions
if the Bulls would make a shot
Rose would have some assists. I don’t know why this is so hard to understand…
by Basketball Smurf on Oct 30, 2009 9:03 PM CDT up reply actions
I've been bashing the hell out of those two, too. The point being...they ALL sucked.
Derrick’s supposed to be the franchise and he’s talked a big game about wanting to be the best, but he doesn’t attack like someone who wants to be the best. He floats.
1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box
by fundamentallysound on Oct 30, 2009 9:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Exactly.
If you don’t wanna be one of the game’s greats, then fine. But don’t keep talking about it if you’re going to coast 75% of the time.
yep
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Oct 30, 2009 9:04 PM CDT up reply actions
So when are ya guys gon get injured and play?
by Playboy_Bull on Oct 30, 2009 9:05 PM CDT up reply actions
if he's so injured that all he can do is play like a ghost, he shouldn't play. rest. get better.
but let’s be honest, he played like this a LOT last year, when he wasn’t hurt. He just floats for large portions of games.
1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box
by fundamentallysound on Oct 30, 2009 9:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Yup.
look, it’s not his physical ability or his skills. It’s he doesn’t take the team’s success as his personal responsibility. He just keeps passing it off, floating into the corner. that’s not being “unselfish”. it’s failing to recognize your role on the team, or not having the balls to try to take over and fail.
He’s only 21. that’s true. he might become a star at some point. but he’s not playing like he wants to be one, and it was the same at many time last year – game seven, for instance.
I love derrick. but when I watch players liek westbrook and rondo, I just recognize the dude just does not try to control games.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
by MPG on Oct 30, 2009 9:11 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think some of it come from Derrick not really being a man
and what I mean by that is — his whole life he’s had his mom or brothers pushing him to be the guy he needs to be to get into the NBA. He’s been deferential with his own life, for the most part. Why should we expect him to be anything but deferential on the basketball court? When he talked about “my veterans” last night in his post-game interview, I almost threw up in my mouth. He still doesn’t view this as his team and until he does, he’s not going to see the importance he has to the team. He can’t wait until the 4th to takeover. Sometimes, waiting that long, like tonight, is too late.
1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box
by fundamentallysound on Oct 30, 2009 9:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Someone needs to rip away the Hunter security blanket.
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we're getting into armchair territory here,
but there may be something to it. I don’t really know why he’s so defential – but i do know that he hasn’t shown the requisite selfishness or cut throat mentality to be a star…other than that first game in the playoffs. I was hoping that was a sign of things to come. still am.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
what does his free throw shooting
tell you about his relationship with his father?
by Basketball Smurf on Oct 30, 2009 9:25 PM CDT up reply actions
meh, I overreached with the armchair shit, but the point stands
he’s too fucking deferential for a supposedly-budding superstar. He doesn’t have the attitude of a star. He talks about wanting to be the man and be the best, but the great ones know that they are king shit and they play like it. He doesn’t.
1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box
by fundamentallysound on Oct 30, 2009 9:28 PM CDT up reply actions
i agree he needs to be more aggressive
i’m just withholding judgment for a game where the Bulls weren’t down 30 and Rose doesn’t come in with a known injury which the Bulls believed would limit his minutes. The Celtics always kill the Bulls. They defend the point guard position better than any team in the NBA. Lets see what he looks like in Miami. If he comes out passive again than I may start to worry
by Basketball Smurf on Oct 30, 2009 9:32 PM CDT up reply actions
my point is that if he's more aggressive from the outset
they don’t get down by 30. He floated from the very beginning, save for one pretty explosive drive by Rondo. I dono, maybe he was intimidated by KG inside or something. He just didn’t bring it, at all, tonight.
1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box
by fundamentallysound on Oct 30, 2009 9:35 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree with your overall point about him not being agressive enough all the time
but the dude just had a walking boot on like last week or something. He’s clearly not 100% right now so he’s not going to be able to attack like he normally would. Let’s just take a deep breath until he’s at least fully healthy.
"I'm in the Hall already, on the wall already, I'm a work of art I'm a Warhol already"-Jay Z
I blame Vinny.
After all, isn’t he supposed to coach the team?
"Then you need a center so if the ball gets stuck between the rim and backboard he can reach up and knock it loose instead of having to spend 15 minutes trying to hit it with a broom stick." – Sam Smith
by Granny Waiters on Oct 30, 2009 9:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Are you guys kidding me?
Do you all know where D. Rose comes from? Yeah he got Reggie and his other brothers and his mom, but you guys REALLY don’t know. Derrick grew up in Englewood. Ain’t NOTHIN’ soft about that kind of upbringing. Don’t be fooled by what you see on TV. Rose is a tough customer and when he is healthy and playing close to 40 mpg he’ll take the lead. Confidence in himself is the LEAST of his concerns. Trust me on that one.
Please Bulls fans. Just be thankful that the Bulls have a real life superstar in the making who is not afraid to share the spotlight. But Trust and Believe that Derrick Rose is NOT lacking confidence or the will to dominate and win.
by lexdiamonds0730 on Oct 31, 2009 1:33 AM CDT up reply actions
you, my friend needs to understand that rose is playing hurt
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by Juan dela Cruz on Oct 30, 2009 9:19 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't know...
looks pretty damn explosive to me…and he’s still by far our best player.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
Well, then he should stop and rest
seriously.
I support the Tornado Release [See: Joakim Noah]
He did this shit all the time during the regular season LAST YEAR.
Got an excuse for that, too? This is just how he plays and its not good enough.
1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box
by fundamentallysound on Oct 30, 2009 9:20 PM CDT up reply actions
dude, calm down
he is hurt. Who cares what he did last year. Give him a chance to get over his injury this year. He is on the 2nd of back to back with an ankle that definitely tightened up over the course of the night. He hadn’t played in a game for over month until last night.
you need a 420 break
by Basketball Smurf on Oct 30, 2009 9:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Vinny did take him out
back when the game was close. Maybe it tightened up then.
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I just get tired of the excuse making for a guy who claims being an MVP
is his goal for the year. If he wants to talk like that, I’m going to hold him to a fucking high ass standard. He’s not living up to his own goals, and I’m calling him out for that. It’d be one thing if the skills weren’t there, but the effort was. It’s not the case. The effort is missing. He’s not even trying to force the issue and show what he can do.
1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box
by fundamentallysound on Oct 30, 2009 9:25 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm with you-
the effort is not there and the skills and athleticism are. Right now. I don’t want to hear this ankle bullshit – he was plenty explosive tonight. He wasn’t limping, wincing, or breathing hard. He just decided to take 8 shots and defer ad nauseum to players who weren’t finishing.
If he can’t play…don’t. But that was piss poor effort from Derrick. If he’s gonna talk shit about being an MVP, he can’t bring that weak sauce.
What, I’ve got to watch Luol Deng’s broke-ass try to go one on one when the game’s most athetic point guard floats off into the corner?
Pathetic.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
by MPG on Oct 30, 2009 9:31 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I mean, does anyone hear really think that Kobe or LeBron
would stay by, literally in the corner, as their teammates flushed the game down the toilet like that? What about CP3? Wade? Any of those guys that Rose wants to be like? Would any of them have played like that tonight (and large chunks of their rookie seasons)?
1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box
by fundamentallysound on Oct 30, 2009 9:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Wade and Kobe did play like that large parts of their rookie seasons
CP3, however, came in dominant.
by Basketball Smurf on Oct 30, 2009 9:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Kobe was (in hindsight) a bad example, because he
came in to a much more talented team, but Wade absolutely did not play like that his rookie year. He attacked a ton. He’s been my favorite player since Marquette and I was much chagrined when the Bulls were unable to draft him. I watched his rookie year very closely. He’s been attacking from Day 1. LeBron’s the same deal. He’s always been aggressive and took ownership of his team. CP3 same deal. If Rose wants to be like those guys, he’s got to own this team and take it personally when they are getting pasted.
1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box
by fundamentallysound on Oct 30, 2009 9:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Wade's rookie season
he shot the ball less than Rose, he averaged a .5 pt less, but did get to the free throw line a ton more. Of course, he was assisted on 6% more of his inside shots – a function of playing off the ball. I fail to see the huge difference in aggressiveness between the two as rookies. And he was 2 years older. Just saying
http://www.82games.com/0809/08CHI1.HTM#pstats
http://www.82games.com/03MIA3A.HTM
by Basketball Smurf on Oct 30, 2009 9:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Actually,
Kobe pissed off his “veteran” Lakers teammates by trying to be the man even though he wasn’t ready. Rose is ready – he’s better than anyone else on this team – but doesn’t want to piss anyone off.
Anyway, it doesn’t mean he won’t get there. But VDN needs to make sure he knows what his role is.
But who knows. Maybe he just is hurt.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
Kobe started 7 games combined in his first 2 seasons
People have selective memory when it comes to these things
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bryanko01.html
by Basketball Smurf on Oct 30, 2009 9:53 PM CDT up reply actions
I, admittedly, didn't think enough about Kobe's
history before lumping him in with the rest of those guys. I stand by the points re: Wade, Bron, and CP3, though.
1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box
by fundamentallysound on Oct 30, 2009 9:55 PM CDT up reply actions
He didn't play a lot-
he pissed off his teammates when he did, and in practice, with selfish play and arrogance – such was his rep. And the reason he didn’t play is that he wasn’t ready…but he still had that aggressiveness, no matter how wrongheaded it was at the time. That’s the difference I’m trying to illustrate.
Anyway, I hope you’re right, that Derrick’s just hurt, or out of shape.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
I'm not trying to excuse Rose's
lack of aggression, I just think it takes time.
In Kobe’s 3rd season, first year as a full time starter, he averaged 19 pts a game on 15.6 shots a game. For comparisons sake, Rose took 14.5 shots a game last season. And he’s the POINT GUARD
It really wasn’t until his 5th season, at the ripe age of 22, when he became the KOBE we all know. That season he averaged 29 pts a game on 22 shots. This is when the friction between him and Shaq really came to a head – when he stop deferring to Shaq after FOUR FULL SEASONS IN THE NBA.
Patience people. Like I said, I’m not trying to excuse Rose’s lack of aggression. I’m just pointing out that it is not rare.
And I also think it has to do with play calling. The Bulls ran play after play for Deng and Salmons. The only play the ran for Rose was a pick and roll which the Celtics were trapping and the ball movement wasn’t getting the ball back around to Rose.
Rose’s problems are part of aggression, part coaching, and part scheme. I’m fairly confident that they will get it straightened out over time.
by Basketball Smurf on Oct 30, 2009 10:06 PM CDT up reply actions
That's some nice level thinking there.
I hope it’s the case. The issue right now is that Derrick’s clearly the most talented player on the team. They need him to be that aggressive now, because he gives them the best chance to win.
But yeah, way too early for the panic button.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
It think we're starting to see a trend
The best players are the ones that are selfish and arrogant. In basketball there are FAR worse sins. Am I the only one that watched MJ’s HOF speech people?!!
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Oct 30, 2009 10:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Nope
and I don’t understand why it’s so bad to be critical of the guy on here. Nobody is saying that he sucks or anything. It’s just that if he wants to considered a superstar, this ain’t gonna cut it. At all.
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Oct 30, 2009 9:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes, I mean if you're going to set these goals for yourself
and be considered the franchise guy and get all those endorsements and throw out MVP chatter about yourself… you’ve got to bring it.
1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box
by fundamentallysound on Oct 30, 2009 9:37 PM CDT up reply actions
So what you wanna do?
I guess you’d rather trade him then. You’re probably one of the same guys that’s defended Deng’s play over the years and made excuse after excuse for him…yet you wanna crucify Rose in season 2 when he has already made himself indispensable to the Bulls.
by lexdiamonds0730 on Oct 31, 2009 1:36 AM CDT up reply actions
Except for th absence of injury this is about as bad as you could have imagined
1) Luol looks like he’s 80
2) Rose looked bad
3) Horrible D
4) No one can shoot
5) VDN likes to sit Tyrus
Blah
Rose actually didnt look bad, he just didnt do much.
So its like he didnt even play which is bad but he’s injured so hey.
by Playboy_Bull on Oct 30, 2009 8:59 PM CDT up reply actions
On this team, Rose needs to aggressively look score and create offence for others
But he mostly passes it Salmons or Noah at the top of the key and then he fades to the corner.
I place a lot of the blame for that on VDN. Nice scheme.
by hitlesswonder on Oct 30, 2009 9:02 PM CDT up reply actions
hitlesswonder you forget how horrible Salmons is
and even worse Salmons never appears to care either way, he just bites his nails and spits them on the floor.
I was letting the bad shooting category take care of him.
I found the other stuff more depressing. I don’t see Salmons as a big part of the Bulls future.
by hitlesswonder on Oct 30, 2009 9:03 PM CDT up reply actions
So that means Salmons and Deng not only sucked offensively
but they got torched defensively, just terrible!
OMG
There’s one more quarter of this?
"I'm in the Hall already, on the wall already, I'm a work of art I'm a Warhol already"-Jay Z
Setting the tone for the season probably.
If you don’t work the refs early and hard they might not be in your pocket when you really need them.
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Remember when the refs
T’d players up when they waved their arms at every call?
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
Remember when you said the Bulls matched up better against the Celtics WITH KG playing?
"When a hyper-intense guy looks for ways to fire himself up, yeah, it pretty much comes out as wild eyed psycho lunacy." - Jeff Clark from C's blog on KG
by Khalid El-Amin on Oct 31, 2009 1:43 AM CDT up reply actions
The worst part about Salmons playing like this is that if it keeps up there's no way he's opting out
He'll be fine, just early season jitters
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by Juan dela Cruz on Oct 30, 2009 9:05 PM CDT up reply actions
You're kidding right?
"I'm in the Hall already, on the wall already, I'm a work of art I'm a Warhol already"-Jay Z
Vets get to use that excuse?
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it's not like he can't score, he can.
he needs to keep his head up and forget the last 2 games, we need him to be succesful this season. remember, he made gordon expendable.
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by Juan dela Cruz on Oct 30, 2009 9:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Celtics
are among the best defenses in the league and this was in Boston.
Give Salmons some time.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Oct 30, 2009 9:05 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm not about to freak out about Salmons either
It’s 2 games
We are the angry mob. We read the papers everyday day.
We like who we like. We hate who we hate.
But we're also easily swayed
PARGO TIIIIIME
I support the Tornado Release [See: Joakim Noah]
Eddie House makes everything. Holy hell.
1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box
by fundamentallysound on Oct 30, 2009 9:07 PM CDT reply actions
Never thought we'd win this one anyway, let's look forward to the next game
and take a closer look at D WADE
D ROSE D WADE DESTINY DYNASTY
I don't care if the celtics go 98-0,
they still suck.
"Then you need a center so if the ball gets stuck between the rim and backboard he can reach up and knock it loose instead of having to spend 15 minutes trying to hit it with a broom stick." – Sam Smith
And ugly. Our guys are way more attractive. We can always hold on to that during hard times.
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LOL
yeah we losin, but we still better lookin than ya’ll
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by Juan dela Cruz on Oct 30, 2009 9:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Can't hate the player Granny.
Hate the game!
You know how it goes.
by lexdiamonds0730 on Oct 31, 2009 1:38 AM CDT up reply actions
The Blind Side was a good book!
I support the Tornado Release [See: Joakim Noah]
because he will score 40 in a row, watch
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by Juan dela Cruz on Oct 30, 2009 9:12 PM CDT up reply actions
why does pargo play? why is hunter on the team?
why did our shittiest player tonight play by far the most minutes?
the bulls are a team of mysteries.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
The Lost Bull by Dan Brown
Maybe VDN makes his substitutions based on the illuminati’s code.
I support the Tornado Release [See: Joakim Noah]
Dan Brown...
bull is right. :)
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
I wish I could rewrite the same book four times
and get millions of dollars.
I just need to write about the church. Hmmmmmmm.
I support the Tornado Release [See: Joakim Noah]
It really is amazing-
same damn thing every time.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
3 page chapters make everything more exciting. It's formulaic and I still couldn't put them down.
1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box
by fundamentallysound on Oct 30, 2009 9:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Noah...and Hunter come in.
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but he's, nevermind
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by Juan dela Cruz on Oct 30, 2009 9:13 PM CDT up reply actions
yep...it's over
Recipe for Disaster;
C'mon Cubs, hurry up and blow this so I can relax.
by Bluekoolaide on July22, 2009 3:08 PM CDT
Yes! Lindsay Hunter!
It’s bad when you’re happy that Hunter is in
I support the Tornado Release [See: Joakim Noah]
Sheldon Williams is one ugly dude.
We are the angry mob. We read the papers everyday day.
We like who we like. We hate who we hate.
But we're also easily swayed
but his wife is hot
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by Juan dela Cruz on Oct 30, 2009 9:13 PM CDT up reply actions
It does seem like his features all migrated to the middle of his face.
Just another weird guy on the Celtics. They got the roster stacked.
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I HATE PARGO!
I HATE PARGO! I HATE PARGO! I HATE PARGO! I HATE PARGO! I HATE PARGO! I HATE PARGO! I HATE PARGO! I HATE PARGO! I HATE PARGO! I HATE PARGO! I HATE PARGO! I HATE PARGO! I HATE PARGO! I HATE PARGO! I HATE PARGO! I HATE PARGO! I HATE PARGO! I HATE PARGO! I HATE PARGO! I HATE PARGO!
Jannero Pargo = Larry Hughes 2.0
by bull83 on Oct 30, 2009 9:14 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
calm down
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by Juan dela Cruz on Oct 30, 2009 9:15 PM CDT up reply actions
I said it before, I'll say it again
PARGO TIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIMEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
I support the Tornado Release [See: Joakim Noah]
Also, can't we take out Noah?
No reason for him to play, the game’s lost.
…
Meh. I dunno. Ambivalence.
I support the Tornado Release [See: Joakim Noah]
Well this was fun
time to go get drunk
We are the angry mob. We read the papers everyday day.
We like who we like. We hate who we hate.
But we're also easily swayed
geez, its the 2nd game of an 82 game season
its not the end of the world
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by Juan dela Cruz on Oct 30, 2009 9:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Sorry if it came off that way
I’m not worried about the season. I’d just rather go to a party then watch garbage time.
We are the angry mob. We read the papers everyday day.
We like who we like. We hate who we hate.
But we're also easily swayed
You're not already?
I am. And I have to go bike to get Thai food. Maybe it would be better to roller blade and skitch a ride.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Oct 30, 2009 9:18 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm sure they are boy colors, right NBAO?
Blading might be safer than biking in Chicago anyway with the car traffic. And no one will rob you for your blades either.
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It's dark
and almost Halloween. If I wear a wig will anyone know?
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by NBA Observer on Oct 30, 2009 9:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe this was worth it
to see KG with a towel ascot
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reminds me of James Posey
even the sun shines on a dog’s @ss someday’s
by joetheplumber on Oct 30, 2009 9:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Celtics were hot tonight
One of those nightsI guess.
True
With their defense—they are impossible to beat if they are hitting shots.
we had a lot of open shots.
just missed. badly. often.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
Can we just have Joakim shoot jumpers
That would be fun to watch.
I support the Tornado Release [See: Joakim Noah]
I love how Pargo sees garbage minutes
as the time to get his. It becomes the Pargo show out there.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
Amare has cool glasses!!!!!
I support the Tornado Release [See: Joakim Noah]
When did the Suns sign
Sideshow Bob? And he’’s hurt?
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Oct 30, 2009 9:29 PM CDT up reply actions
I think everyone went out for booze.
Come on guys! We might hit 90.
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We got 90!
Wow!!!
I support the Tornado Release [See: Joakim Noah]
Now when people who don't follow the Bulls
are skimming the box score they won’t realize how horrific this was. At least we were not still in the 60s.
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JJ tried for a monster slam there.
He is almost outscoring Deng.
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From the bright side, Noah got his second double double in two games
16 p and 10 reb
Jannero Pargo = Larry Hughes 2.0
Only guy that played hard tonight other than Tyrus.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
Eh, Taj played hard too
Not as good as Tyrus though.
…
Yeah.
I support the Tornado Release [See: Joakim Noah]
Yea Noah is really good
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Oct 30, 2009 9:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Tyrus with 22 minutes
God I hate this fucking coaching staff and front office.
in fairness
Tyrus was pulled with the starters. Deng played 18 and Rose played 23.
Still, I don’t know how Salmons got to 31. 2 bad games and he is leading the team in minutes 2 times in a row.
by Basketball Smurf on Oct 30, 2009 9:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Two things I learned from this game:
1. Fuck the Lakers, as much as it pains me to say it, the Celtics are the best team in basketball right now.
2. Derrick Rose still has a ways to go to take his game to that superstar level.
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
Then he shouldn't be playing and Vinny should be fired
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Oct 30, 2009 9:40 PM CDT up reply actions
unless Garnett gets injured again, or possibly Ray Allen
by joetheplumber on Oct 30, 2009 9:39 PM CDT up reply actions
We could lose Kirk and our team would go down.
We need 6-7 guys to have a good game and stay healthy or we don’t have enough points on the board. We are one or two injuries or bad games away from having Pargo and Hunter come in.
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WTF why is Hunter on this team?
this is starting to get absurd. Why did the Bulls think they’d be ok with this guard rotation? They really don’t have any players to stretch the floor for Rose.
I've got this thing and it's fucking golden!
He isn't in shape at all.
Brad Miller isn’t a spring chick either for his position/mileage but at least he looks in shape and can be a positive for 15-20 minutes.
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agreed
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Oct 30, 2009 9:44 PM CDT up reply actions
They might have no class, but they just took us to school
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Oct 30, 2009 10:04 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah but damn
fucking sit down and relax we know you guys have a stacked team you don’t have to keep jacking up 3’s.
I've got this thing and it's fucking golden!
Well it was a great first game.. back to reality folks.
Bulls are in transition.
I've got this thing and it's fucking golden!
At least the Pistons lost.
That means we are tied in the division and beating the LeBrons still.
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We are on a roll now.
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you know even garbage time sucks because Lindsey Hunter is running the show.
Not like a younger player… Lindsey ‘’Laughing all the time’’ Hunter.
I've got this thing and it's fucking golden!
He yawns too. That is versatility.
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I'm trying to think who will be here next season and who won't.
here
Rose
Deng
Taj
Hinrich
Johnson
Noah
Gone
Miller
Tyrus
Hunter
Pargo
gray
Vinny
I've got this thing and it's fucking golden!
I'd love to see Miller back if possible at least
but I think we all know Tyrus will be gone. Good riddance to the rest of those guys.
"I'm in the Hall already, on the wall already, I'm a work of art I'm a Warhol already"-Jay Z
I think your list is pretty accurate
can tell they really must not like Tyrus
by joetheplumber on Oct 30, 2009 10:08 PM CDT up reply actions
They looked a lot more like last year
both offensively and defensively tonight. They could not stop the Celtics screen and roll, gave up too many offensive rebounds, turnovers and not enough ball and player movement. This was like the opposite of how they looked last night.
"I'm in the Hall already, on the wall already, I'm a work of art I'm a Warhol already"-Jay Z
What the hell is wrong with the Bulls in the past 10 years that they can't get ONE bonafied, selfish, ass kicking superstar in here?!! HELP!!!
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
I blame Paxson.
1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box
by fundamentallysound on Oct 30, 2009 10:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Good place to start
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Oct 30, 2009 10:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Better to blame the person who uses the Bulls to fund the White Sox.
"Then you need a center so if the ball gets stuck between the rim and backboard he can reach up and knock it loose instead of having to spend 15 minutes trying to hit it with a broom stick." – Sam Smith
by Granny Waiters on Oct 30, 2009 11:46 PM CDT up reply actions
GREAT POINT
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Oct 30, 2009 11:50 PM CDT up reply actions
I can't wait that long, this team is making me drink, my liver could be shot by then!!
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Oct 30, 2009 10:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Just put on beer goggles.
Those things they demo at proms. You can watch the Bulls “drunk” without killing your liver. It’s the responsible thing to do.
Everything I post is speculation. I have no insider information nor ideas deemed concrete enough by those who are self-elected to regulate post content.
you should take a shot every time Salmons bricks a 3.
He must have slow starts…….
I've got this thing and it's fucking golden!
Refused to negotiate with one guy who was perhaps the closest Bull to being an all-star...
…since MJ and Scottie….and the Bulls traded the other guy who had a shot at it (Elton Brand).
by lexdiamonds0730 on Oct 31, 2009 1:41 AM CDT up reply actions
I think the Bears loss was worse then this right?
I kinda felt like this could happen.
I've got this thing and it's fucking golden!
Definitely worse
The Bears loss was disastrous. this was just a little alarming and discouraging. I just wish
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Oct 30, 2009 10:11 PM CDT up reply actions
didn't finish, was gonna say I just wish Rose showed a little more
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Oct 30, 2009 10:11 PM CDT up reply actions
The Bears loss was much worse
The Bulls got 4 or 5 more blowout losses to go this season though, so lets see how it plays out.
by Basketball Smurf on Oct 30, 2009 10:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Any loss that makes you want Kyle Orton back (if only momentarily) is definitely of the worst variety
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Oct 30, 2009 10:13 PM CDT up reply actions
The Bears loss was a season over type of loss
A loss that signifies this team isn’t going to be making any noise towards a championship what so ever. This Bulls loss is in-line with my expectations. I honestly thought they’d get blown out by SA and Boston
by Basketball Smurf on Oct 30, 2009 10:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Correct, I would definitely say I am more encouraged than discouraged through these first two games
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Oct 30, 2009 10:42 PM CDT up reply actions
These losses.. blowouts.. if you will.
when i was in my early 20’s I would get so mad i would get scared of myself. Now i kinda expect it as a Chicago fan. When it happens I’m still mad but I think I go through like phases.
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LOL
My cousin used to cry back when the Bulls lost a game here or there in the 1990s. And he was at least 13-14 at the time. I guess they were manly tears if they were over a sport.
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Bears loss made me feel like Lovie and his staff need to go IMMEDIATELY!!!
Looking so unprepared two weeks in a row AFTER A BYE!!! You gotta be kidding me.
by lexdiamonds0730 on Oct 31, 2009 1:42 AM CDT up reply actions
I'd rather have Jay williams than lindsey Hunters good times ass.
or maybe just neither.
I've got this thing and it's fucking golden!
Putting this game into perspective
(originally a fanshot, decided to post here)
That wasn’t pretty. But the comments midgame made it seem like the entire season was shot. (Rose sucks, Salmons sucks, Luol sucks, VDN sucks, Pargo sucks.) We just crushed the Spurs last night! A few thoughts on why armageddon might not have hit…
1) John Salmons has slumped before.
A few from last season:
Games #8-10: 18/47 FG, 3/10 3’s
Games #29-35: 32/98 FG, 5/21 3’s
Games #77-79: (w/Bulls, last 3 of regular season) 9/36 FG, 6/16 3’s
(For the record, Ben Gordon did too.)
Games #10-13: 22/68 FG, 4/25 3’s
Games #58-72: 27/72 FG, 3/14 3’s
Games #76-78: 14/47 FG, 4/17 3’s
Slumps happen. Salmons’ current slump is especially bad, but it’s not impossible for a .570 TS% shooter to have a .280 TS% in 36 attempts. He’ll have about 800 more attempts to turn that around :)
2) The Celtics shot out of their ass
According to shot chart:
20/32 on 2pt jumpers (62.5%)
12/24 on 3pt jumpers (50.0%)
The Celtics made 41% of their 2pt jumpers last year and 39% of their 3’s. Had they shot those percentages instead, they would’ve scored 22 less points. The Bulls lost by 28. Our D was crappy, but it was magnified by the Celtics’ not being able to miss.
3) It’s one game
In the Boston series last year, games #1, #2, #4, #5, #6 were decided by 3 points or less. In Game 3, we were down 34 in the 4th. Bad games will happen, especially when we play a team as good as the Celtics. It doesn’t mean we’re doomed.
4) Noah and Tyrus look good
At the all-star break last season, I was looking at Noah’s NBA Hot Zones and he had something like 5 made field goals outside of the deep paint. Hence the ridiculous FG%.
Today alone, he had 4 FG outside of the deep paint – from 6, 6, 7 and 20 ft! He’s added a jumpshot (not pretty), and a left hook (prettier). And he’s averaging a double double (with 3.5 assists!) in 27.5mpg.
Tyrus is averaging 17.3 points and 10.5 reb per 36 this season. Nothing new skills-wise, and it’s hard to say if this signals a change, but so far so good.
Overall, we’ve played the Spurs and Celts and we’re 1-1. Not bad.
by YaoPau on Oct 30, 2009 10:24 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
I have a thought.. Vinny had a lineup in the 2nd of..
Pargo
Hinrich
Deng
Taj
Miller
and they totally got out played. They built a nice lead for the starters and then the Celtics started draining 3 pointers.
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my thoughts on your points
1. I’m not THAT concerned by Salmons. If anything, I’m more concerned with his effort on the defensive end. He is slow, and guarding guys like Allen who come off multiple screens is going to be a struggle this year.
- and its not that Salmons can’t replace BG, or that they both slump. The Bulls played their best basketball WHEN THEY WERE BOTH ON THE TEAM. So when BG slumped, you could go to Salmons, and vice versa. That is why there is much pressure on Deng. He needs to be a guy who steps it up. Because if they both play like that, the Bulls have little chance of winning
2. The Bulls D on the wings really contributed to this. How may wide open looks did Allen and Pierce get? How many easy dunks did we give up. Celtics shot lights out, but the Bulls helped
3. Completely agree. I, for one, always thought this game had blowout potential. The Celtics have been starting every season really good over the last 3 years, the Bulls are just the opposite. The Celtics came ready to make a statement – unfortunately for them its only the 2nd game of the season so I doubt the Bulls got the statement. Hopefully, the team is just really pissed right now.
4. Noah and Tyrus both looked good, I agree. I don’t know how far the Bulls can get with the 2 of them playing together over the long haul, the offense can be really stagnant without a low post presence. But they were both active. I think VDN should have went with a Miller,Noah, Tyrus front line at some point. Do something to change the pace of the game.
As it is, if you told me the Bulls would be 1-1 after playing the Spurs and Celtics, I’d definitely take it and smile.
by Basketball Smurf on Oct 30, 2009 10:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Your point about BG and Salmons playing together
Gordon had about 18.5 scoring attempts last year at a .570 TS%. Let’s say we replace his 18.5 attempts this year at a .520 TS%. That’s only a 1.85ppg swing. I like to think that replacing Gordon/Salmons with Salmons/Deng defensively will make up most or all of that difference.
I don’t buy the “we would’ve always have a hot hand in BG or Salmons, and now we don’t”. I think the effect is smaller than it seems. Losing Gordon will raise the amount of stinker games we have, but it’s not like Luol or Kirk or Tyrus or Brad can’t score at all. It’s like replacing a .300 hitter with a .270 hitter in baseball. The .270 hitter looks a lot worse, but at the end of the day it’s just a .03 difference.
I don't think basketball stats effectively demonstrate
how much Gordon will or won’t be missed. You just can’t say we are going to replace Gordon’s 18.5 pts and .570 TS% by this guy taking 1 more shot and this guy taking 2 more shots, and the defense moderately improving. I think its more complicated than that.
Gordon was the #1 option for the Bulls last year. That means, he (or Rose) were the first thing opposing defense sought to stop. His presence on the floor helped make up for VDN poor offensive sets, spread the floor for Rose and Salmons (and everyone else), and gave the Bulls a legit 3 pt assassin. Even if Gordon was having a bad game teams had to respect his 3pt shooting because he was an assassin. He was never left open. And to me this is the most important point – Gordon could score against the opposing teams toughest defenders, even when the other team was shading his way, even with big men running at him. He could score under the toughest of circumstances and do so with a high TS%. So at many points last season, even when he had an overall bad shooting night, Gordon managed to score enough in spurts to keep us in games.
Without BG, everyone’s job gets a little harder. The defense now shades to Salmons, he sees more help D and more double teams. At the end of last year, the Bulls were basically living off the offensive prowess of Gordon-Salmons-Rose. There were hardly ever offensive droughts – because if Salmons and Rose were struggling, you still had Gordon. Deng is not the as consistent a scorer as Gordon nor is he as explosive. He doesn’t spread the floor either, therefore Salmons and Rose have less room to go one on one. To replace the best player with an offensive player who is inferior to all 3 changes things a bit more than your stats would imply.
Can Rose, Deng or Salmons handle the same type of defensive pressure that Gordon faced? If they can’t, than there will be several times the Bulls go on droughts and cannot score. That is basically what happened tonight. Now, its hard to say Gordon would have definitely kept the Bulls close in the 2nd quarter – no one could possibly know that. But the fact is that he did keep us close in similar situations many times last season.
Whether the D has improved enough to force opposing teams into similar droughts or to make up for our own droughts remains to be seen. But I think it will have less to do with simply replacing Gordon with Deng, and more to do with our inside guys defending and defensive rebounding better (of course which Deng helps out with that, but much of the onus still falls on Tyrus, Miller and Noah).
I’m not ready to draw any conclusions from this game, I mean it was the Celtics. But the Bulls offense has historically struggled, and the only time over the last couple of years it has been even remotely decent was with Salmons and Gordon. The Bulls struggles from the 3 pt line as well as the inability of Rose and Salmons to get into the lane consistently was all predicted by people who were upset about Gordon leaving. It is too early to tell – still, the Bulls offense has looked rather pedestrian so far.
by Basketball Smurf on Oct 30, 2009 11:45 PM CDT up reply actions
About the end of last season
We had a ridiculously easy schedule. In the last 12 regular season games, the best team we played was the 43-39 Heat. The only top 10 defense we faced was the Bobcats’. We put up some big point totals vs. the Celtics, but we also played 7 OT in that series, and it was a Boston team without KG. Per48 in that series, we only averaged 98 points, four less than our season average of 102.2ppg. So how good we really were offensively, it’s hard to say.
As for Gordon’s value being represented in stats, I think it can be, mostly because he didn’t pass. It’s the Amare’s-low-offensive-APM reasoning: sure Amare draws double teams, but he doesn’t pass to exploit them, so nearly all his offensive value comes from his TS%.
And were teams really shading Gordon last year? With Salmons and Rose both on the floor? I remember that happening a bit on end of game possessions, but the other 99% of the time I don’t remember it. Teams shade guys who can drive, not jumpshooters, especially when that would’ve left Rose/Salmons open.
This year I think teams would be smart to leave Deng open to shade Rose/Salmons, but I haven’t seen that happen, and given Deng’s reputation as a decent player, I doubt that issue comes up.
Gordon got to the free throw line more than Rose last season
so I don’t buy your jumpshooter tag. And yes, teams were really shading Gordon last year. He has been getting double teams since his rookie season. Gordon is one of the best one on one players in the NBA. Are you really claiming no one was helping when he was isolated?
And please continue to ignore the fact that Gordon has a higher assist percentage than Deng and Salmons over the last several seasons. Don’t let the “don’t pass” myth die. No matter how many times its disproven.
And I don’t know why you would only talk about the last 12 games of the season when Salmons and Miller played 26 games for the Bulls – a third of the season – which included wins over Boston, Orlando, New Orleans, Houston and a close loss to LA where we led by 14 pts at halftime and scored 109 pts. Add in the Boston series plus the evidence that the Bulls struggled to beat teams like Miami, Charlotte, Detroit and Philly throughout the beginning of last season, than swept those teams at the end of the season and I think there is ample evidence the Bulls were a much better offensive team (and overall) with the Gordon/Salmons duo on the wings. I don’t know how you could really even dispute that. I’m not saying they were a great offensive team. But they were no longer terrible.
The Bulls offense could improve or stay the same. I’m not saying its impossible. But I don’t think its simply a matter of plugging Deng in for Gordon and having every other guy play a little better. The Bulls need to get big improvements from Rose, Tyrus and Noah and VDN needs to install a better offensive system to make up for the fact that this team only has 2 high level offensive players and only 1 guy capable of taking over a game. They need someone to step up and be a focal point, a pressure valve when things get tough. That guy should be Rose. Though the better teams (and the Bulls last season) have more than 1 guy capable of doing that.
by Basketball Smurf on Oct 31, 2009 1:11 AM CDT up reply actions
Last Gordon post - I SWEAR
When Gordon scored in the shot clock -
0-10secs attempts 45% efg% .566 assisted 46% pts 8.2
Rose
0-10secs attempts 42% efg% .483 assisted34% pts 6.1
Salmons
0-10 attempts 36% efg% .552 assisted 61% pts 5.3
Deng
0-10secs attempts 39% efg% .555 assisted 63% pts 5.2
Gordon scored most of his points with the shot clock running down. He had the highest efg% of any Bulls player with the clock winding down and he created that shot for himself 15% more than Salmons and 17% more than Deng. A team that struggles to score will naturally miss any player who can create his own shot with the shot clock winding down and is able to do so, so effectively. That burden now completely falls on Rose. Its a lot to handle.
by Basketball Smurf on Oct 31, 2009 1:26 AM CDT up reply actions
Hey, I feel better already! Nice post Yao
Noah really does look fantastic and I am not worried about Salmons yet. I just can’t get away from the Rose thing though. It just freaks me out a little because the future is so wrapped up with how this guy performs. And I know he’s not gonna suck or anything, I’m not saying that, but I’m beginning to get legitimately concerned that he’s not gonna be “the guy” on a truly great team. And not just because this game, but the whole body of work,
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by Juiceboxjerry on Oct 30, 2009 10:39 PM CDT up reply actions
thanks for posting this
it was my suspicion that it was just a bad confluence of the Bulls being cold while the Celtics were ridiculously hot. Nice to see the numbers support.
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Chances are that Gordon was seeing some double teams and extra pressure that Salmons is not.
But your point is a good one. Gordon went through slumps too. He usually started the season off pretty slowly. But that may have had something to do with the coaches messing with his minutes.
He seems to be off to a decent start this season in Detroit though.
by lexdiamonds0730 on Oct 31, 2009 1:45 AM CDT up reply actions
no ben gordon to match boston's hot shooting
by celticinorlando on Oct 30, 2009 10:44 PM CDT reply actions
GTFO.
1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box
by fundamentallysound on Oct 30, 2009 10:44 PM CDT up reply actions
and this is why I'll be rooting for Orlando
in the inevitable eastern conference showdown
by Basketball Smurf on Oct 30, 2009 10:45 PM CDT up reply actions
what about cleveland?
with fat Shack and Lebron
by joetheplumber on Oct 30, 2009 10:49 PM CDT up reply actions
I think Cleveland will be good, and Lebron is always tough in a 7 game series
but that roster they have is bunk. I mean comparing it to the Bulls roster
Rose>Williams
Salmons>Parker
Deng<<<<<<<<Shaq (this season)
Hinrich>Boobie
Miller>=Big Z
Taj=Moon
And I honestly think I’m being generous with some of the =‘s. Lebron is the only guy on that roster who can play at a high level, only guy capable of being a main cog on a championship team. Against other good teams, Lebron alone isn’t enough. Its like the Cavs paid no attention to the Jordan era – get Lebron another star player to set the offense – or don’t. As a Bulls fan I appreciate the suck.
by Basketball Smurf on Oct 30, 2009 10:57 PM CDT up reply actions
I screwed that up, somehow
Rose>Mo
Salmons>Parker
Deng<<<<<<<<<Lebron
Tyrus=Varejao (and I’m being generous to Varejao)
Noah>Shaq (this season)
by Basketball Smurf on Oct 30, 2009 10:58 PM CDT up reply actions
LeBron
Will never win anything with Shaq. Bad move by Cleveland management, Shaq is a clown. It’s gonna take some more serious moves if they ever want to get Lebron any help.
by joetheplumber on Oct 30, 2009 11:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Klickety klack...
Was that KG’s knee giving out I just heard? No? Wait 25-45 games in and let’s see who will be mourning the loss of their star player come post season.
"When a hyper-intense guy looks for ways to fire himself up, yeah, it pretty much comes out as wild eyed psycho lunacy." - Jeff Clark from C's blog on KG
by Khalid El-Amin on Oct 30, 2009 11:43 PM CDT up reply actions
I just saw that Brandon Jennings had a line of 17 pts. 9 asst. and 9 reb. in his deabut
In relation to the Bulls I think this could be a very good thing. We’ve all noticed how much Derrick likes to defer to veterans and constantly trips over himself to compliment other great players around the league that are his elders. But I wonder what will happen when he starts to see young guns like Jennings and perhaps John Wall next year coming in and tearing up the league?
I would have to think that if he is a competitor at all this will really fuel his fire. Last year when we played OKC and R. Westbrook, he had one of his best games. This was around the time that people were beginning to consider Westbrook as a ROY candidate. Perhaps a few young guys coming up and stealing his spotlight is exactly what he needs to take his game to the next level.
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Rando had like 16 assists? Damn.
I didn’t think Boston would miss a shot. I thought it was great how the refs just swallowed the whistles but still that was a beat down.
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Look on the bright side
At least we scored 90. Celtic’s last opponent, Bobcats only scored 59 points.
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