Vinny's Offensive Sets

by penguin1 on Oct 30, 2009 2:43 PM CDT

I don't really have much to say, but I hope this fanpost can start a discussion about how the Bulls' offense works (or how it should work).

Can anyone with a better knowledge of the game explain the idea behind our offensive sets? It seems like movement away from the ball was infinitely better last night than it was for all of last year. What are we doing differently?

Also, I've always been curious about the "Derrick brings it up, passes to Noah at the top of the key and then hides in the corner for the rest of the possession" play that we seem particularly fond of. I feel like this play often results in Derrick disappearing for stretches (e.g., games 2-7 of the Celtics series). Does anybody know what's going on there?

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I noticed last night

that we seemed to start quite a few of our sets with pick-and-curl action on the wing. If the fast-break wasn’t there, both Hinrich and Rose pulled back and directed a picking action that was trying to get someone free either for a cut to the basket or (more usually) the ball in the elbow area. This person was Deng or Salmons on the times I remember most clearly. The set didn’t seem to have complicated next steps (or they were so complicated that I didn’t realize what else was happening) — sometimes a reset to the point, sometimes a pick-and-roll on the wing.

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by arjoseph on Oct 30, 2009 4:06 PM CDT reply actions

Interesting Post

Posts where people who really know basketball can correct or expand on others ideas are great reads. They normally dont stir up the responses of normally useless " Lets play GM" posts but hopefully there will be some informed minds here…

- The Bulls did not score off their halfcourt offense almost at all in the first half last night. So whatever they were running needs to be cleaned up… and I’m giving Vinny a pass cause he really didnt have a training camp with all his starters.

-There are 3 variations off the pick and roll that they used last year that I saw last night. Derrick since hes not 100% yet didnt bother taking it to the rim, so I either saw him kick it straight to the corner, wait for the rotation to follow the screener… and drop it back to the space they just left ( the Tyrus play), or drop it off to the screener either going to the basket(Noah) or drop it off to the screener who has stepped back ( the Kirk to Miller – Tyrus play).
- I also thought the Noah catching the ball in the very high post and waiting for a oppisite side baseline cut by Deng worked well last night and the preseason. Noah’s passing out of the high point may be his strongest attribute he has learned from Brad.

by Jscho316 on Oct 30, 2009 5:59 PM CDT reply actions

Haha you were certainly right about the lack of responses.

Thanks for yours though. Is Vinny’s pass still good after three games?

by penguin1 on Nov 2, 2009 12:35 AM CST up reply actions

The difference between last year and this year is....

Last year the offense was more Isolation meaning one on one with little movement besides Luol cutting or curling off a screen for a mid range shot or an attempted layup, then there was the give the ball to BG to shoot , or there was Kirk’s pick and roll play, and lastly the the D. Rose penetration play where he simply attacks the rim. That, and the Brad Miller pass to whoever is open pass from the top of the key. Now you see off the ball picks a little more, you see better ball movement due to the fact BG isn’t shooting off the first pass and Deng doesn’t have the nergy to shoot every time. So more ball movement, less one on one is the main difference.

by Mr Rhythm on Oct 30, 2009 6:24 PM CDT reply actions