Would U Trade Luol for Stephen Jackson?
by Ceasaleo on Oct 29, 2009 4:19 PM CDT
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If Golden State would take Luol, I would in a second. I think all the pouting comes from being on a sorry ass squad and playing for a coach like Nellie. Nellie seems to suck the life outta a lot of his players in recent years.
I would think Jackson's attitude would change once he got here. I know he's been portrayed as a malcontent in the media, but anytime I hear his teammates say something about him, it's always positive. U move him from a squad who has no chance of even making the playoffs in the West, to a squad that is coming off makin the playoffs and is getting better. We may not be title contenders this year, but we're pretty good. To me, he is the guy we wish Lu was. He's better in every aspect of the game, except maybe defense. He has 3 point range, can create his own shot, rebounds, and actually finishes at the rim, plus he's making less money on a shorter contract. U stick him in the starting 5 and we definitely can compete in the top 4 of the East.
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I wouldn't trade the swine flu for Stephen Jackson
by Big D on Oct 29, 2009 4:22 PM CDT reply actions 14 recs
I would trade the Swine FLu for Stephen Jackson
I would not, however, trade Jannero Pargo or Lindsay Hunter.
I support the Tornado Release [See: Joakim Noah]
by Prevenge on Oct 31, 2009 12:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think this comes down to Luol's health
If you think that he’ll be healthy, then you probably wouldn’t even consider this trade. But if you’re in the camp that believes he could be struggling with injuries his whole career (like me) then you’d have to give it some consideration. I’m personally leaning towards no, but talk to me in three weeks.
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Oct 29, 2009 4:43 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
if that's the case
then just deal Luol for an expiring. Why take on Jackson?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Oct 29, 2009 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
For the unintentional comedy of watching VDN coach Stephen Jackson?
by Big D on Oct 29, 2009 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Apparently the Spurs are still interested in Jackson
If Pop would want him there might be something to it.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Oct 29, 2009 11:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He won a ring with the Spurs...
There is a relationship Sjax and Pop…
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by Dionysus2.0 on Oct 30, 2009 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You think someone will give up an expiring contract (which is like gold nowadays) for Luol?
With Luol’s track record we’re probably gonna have to take someone else’s garbage. And in my opinion you could do a lot worse than Stephen Jackson (Whose contract, I beleive, expires after next season).
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Oct 29, 2009 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and
you could live through the swine flu too.
the name of the team is The DIAMONDBACKS
by marionette on Oct 29, 2009 5:13 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Oh, ok. Wasn't sure, I thought I heard it was after next year. I'd still consider it though
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Oct 29, 2009 6:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
right
maybe you don’t get an expiring, but something shorter than that.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Oct 29, 2009 11:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Loul has no trade value until he proves he's healthy and productive....
and both are big questions. No one is stupid enough to take on that long of a contract unless they have a bigger albatross weighing down their franchise.
by Duck99 on Oct 29, 2009 5:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Once he shows he's healthy and productive
he’s worth a whole lot more than the likes of stephen jackson or an expiring contract… so this is all kind of pointless.
Luol isn’t going anywhere.
by runningman on Oct 30, 2009 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes.
I've got this thing and it's fucking golden!
by SoulEater7 on Oct 29, 2009 5:41 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
No.
1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box
by fundamentallysound on Oct 29, 2009 5:43 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
"I would think Jackson's attitude would change once he got here."
Yes, that’s what all his other teams thought too.
by Big D on Oct 29, 2009 5:52 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It kinda did though for awhile
Once everything went to hell in G State is when his attitude changed. Personally, I don’t think he’s that bad of a guy. Just a little obnoxious at times, but he really gets after it too.
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Oct 29, 2009 6:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Talk to me in a month.
Until then, no.
Things could be worse. We could have kept Boylan.
by stupidgenius on Oct 29, 2009 6:11 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Stephen Jackson's salary per season:
2009-10 = $7,650,000
2010-11 = $8,453,250
2011-12 = $9,256,500
2012-13 = $10,059,750
(according to HoopsDaily.com)
by benhertz on Oct 29, 2009 7:17 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Jackson isn’t as big of a malcontent as he seems. He spoke the truth about GS. The front office sucks and they’re not trying to win. He couldn’t have handled it all better but I dno’t really fault him that much. That being said, I don’t think we would really gain much with that trade. He thinks he’s a better player than he really is.
by C Smoove on Oct 29, 2009 8:58 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
YAAAno
"That pitch wasn’t down and in, that pitch was down and up." Tim McCarver
by wrigleyrocker12 on Oct 29, 2009 9:58 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
17 points on 61.2% True Shooting, 9 boards, 2 assists in 38 minutes for Deng tonight.
Plus the usual sound defense and smart passes. He looks to be back.
1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box
by fundamentallysound on Oct 29, 2009 10:11 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
good 1st game
I’ve certainly bashed Loul and his contract on here, but he played well enough tonight to help the team, he’s never going to hit a lot of 3s or score off the dribble one on one a lot but if he can use his length to play D and hit the boards hard on both ends he can be effective when he is healthy and hitting his jumper …. seems like the effort was there and I would think he has a high enough bball IQ to figure out way to fit in and do little things well to help get Ws
his health and performance is the key to the Bulls long, althletic lineups to work
by NY Chicago Fan on Oct 29, 2009 11:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Overall it was good
He, and the rest of the team, passed and shared the ball nicely. I think if Loul really wanted to be selfish, he could’ve had like 24 points tonight.
"That pitch wasn’t down and in, that pitch was down and up." Tim McCarver
by wrigleyrocker12 on Oct 30, 2009 7:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
After the Celtics game I must ask you...
…where does Luol Deng appear to be back from?
This guy has good games from time to time. He is a 6’9" SF and indeed talented. But he just can’t put it together and quite frankly may prove to be a waste of money. FAR too often when confronted with REAL challenges Deng wilts like a flower in the snow. You may be able to come up with an instance or two where he played big (and please don’t bring up that Miami series…if you do that we may as well start talking about the Bulls championship years because that’s long gone too), but far more often than not the moment seems too big for Deng. That has got to change if the Bulls are going anywhere this year. I’m more comfortable with Salmons on the court at the 3 at times than I am with Deng at this point.
by lexdiamonds0730 on Oct 31, 2009 5:09 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
NO
Like wiltfongjr said Jackson is a cancer. He is one of those players that ruin chemistry and undermine the coaches game plan. That is the last thing we need.
The Dude Abides
by Savage23 on Oct 30, 2009 12:19 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
maybe for salmons?
but I don’t know that Jackson can play the 2…. plus it would put us over the cap and Salmons is 2 years younger, so probably not.
I would not trade Deng for a 31 year old Jackson.
by 72-10 on Oct 30, 2009 12:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It does to the people
an irrational hate of Luol. As if the fact that he doesn’t take people off the dribble much negates his efficient 15+ points a game, excellent defense and rebounding from the SF spot.
Very hard to make the argument that Stephen Jackson makes the Bulls better now or in the future as his skills and attitude degrade through the next 4 years of his contract.
This trade has to be more about getting rid of Deng at any cost.
by runningman on Oct 30, 2009 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
$72 Million dollars and a big reason the Bulls didn't re-sign their best player last year...
… is what makes people ask questions like this.
Come one man. You don’t give that kind of money and that number of years to a guy who can’t create his own offense or is not a true impact player. You just don’t do it or you’ll be sorry (Andre Kirelenko, Erick Dampier, Bobby Simmons, etc…) and come off this excellent defense thing. Deng plays decent defense but he’s no Scottie Pippen. Pippen played EXCELLENT defense. Deng plays good defense from time to time (when he starts popping up on the all-defense teams then we’ll give him that credit).
Stephen Jackson WOULD make the Bulls better right now. By virtue of the attitude he approaches the game with if nothing else. He’d give the Bulls more of that edge that Noah gives them. Hell the more I think about it, even Hinrich has a bit of an edge…but Deng doesn’t. Having said that though I wouldn’t make the trade because Jackson is 31 and Deng should be included in some sort of package deal to try to bring a star PF to Chicago…Salmons can fill his spot at the 3 in the meantime and Hinrich is more than capable of playing the 2 (Bulls really should have moved Hinrich and re-signed Gordon and had him at the 2 and Salmons the 3 and they really could have picked up where they left off last year).
by lexdiamonds0730 on Oct 31, 2009 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There is no way Jackson makes them better right now
First, Pippen played all-time defense, not excellent defense. If that is your standard that just about no one in the league plays excellent defense.
Second, Jackson has never been anything more than mediocre, and his defense has been getting consistently worse for 4 years now. Deng is also a much better rebounder.
by JeffD on Nov 1, 2009 12:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You couldn't get an expiring contract for Luol right now.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
by MPG on Oct 31, 2009 8:15 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yes, Lu is soft. Jackson has the “dog”, yeah. he’s a street baller, but so what?
Face it guys, Luol is a weak player, and his “defense” is nowhere near as good as people think.
by Trey23 on Oct 31, 2009 6:15 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The only thing that Deng does above average is rebounding. He is a top tier rebounder for a SF. His D is good just slightly above average. Doesn’t get many steals or blocks, but he can stay in front of his man. A SF needs to be able to get his own shot. I gotta agree with Lex, how can you pay a system player 71 mill….this is turning into a Kirilenko style contract…
by C Smoove on Nov 1, 2009 12:11 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
age--matters for more than just cheese
Jackson is 31, turns 32 in April. While Deng is not a great fit w/ Rose, Jackson is even worse based on age alone. Personally I think LeBron James would be a good fit.
Another nice fit, possibly even better, would be Kevin Durant, who might be looking to get out of that hellhole, Oklahoma City.
by boobie trap on Nov 3, 2009 6:37 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Neither Durant or LeBron are coming to Chicago.
by C Smoove on Nov 3, 2009 11:00 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Quck answer
No. Deng’s a lot younger, and while not really a true leader himself, he’s also not a distraction and is more talented than SJax….he just is….
Bad trade for the Bulls….
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by majoyenrac on Nov 3, 2009 9:14 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
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