VDN cuts interview short with Waddle&Silvy re: Rose & 4th quarters
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Oct 27, 2009 5:15 PM CDT
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As the link says, the issue with Rose being benched in 4th quarters was over in February (after Pax reportedly told him, 'wtf, man?'). And Silverman was being a bit of a jerk for bringing it up the way he did.
But that said, it's still disappointing that VDN is so defensive and insecure. Such traits should be limited to sports bloggers.
VDN started to go into why it made sense at the time to him keeping Rose off the court, and even if it doesn't make sense to Silverman (or me, for that matter), if that's his rationale than stick to it. And if pressed, say you will/won't do it in the future, for this/that reason.
Instead he pulls the 'you do your job, I do mine", and ends the interview. Didn't KC Johnson say during camp that VDN was getting more comfortable as a head coach?
And actually, the entire duration of the interview up to that point was pretty good by VDN standards, which makes the end even more disappointing. Not that it matters in his coaching, but I always feel that how Del Negro sounds and acts in general removes any benefit of the doubt I'd lend him regarding his capacity for the job.
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He's human
People are always bashing on him, so i think we should give him a break. Well he got angry or annoyed a bit, oh well.
nah.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Oct 27, 2009 5:32 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I tend to agree
that VDN was just frustrated, and this time I feel like it was warranted. I actually felt kinda bad for him listening to that. And I’ve given VDN as much shit as anyone over the past year.
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by Rose Colored Goggles on Oct 27, 2009 5:57 PM CDT up reply actions
nah.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Oct 27, 2009 7:02 PM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
What fun.
Picking on VDN, Deng, Paxson and Cheap Jerry.
Awesome.
this is how we do
You're my assistant! You're supposed to back me up and go get me juiceboxes whenever I want. Now go get me a juicebox!
by chibullsfan03 on Oct 27, 2009 9:12 PM CDT up reply actions
you act as if they are reading this blog crying at home
it aint that serious
by Basketball Smurf on Oct 27, 2009 9:14 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't pick on Deng.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Oct 27, 2009 10:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Basketball
It’s a great game and distraction from work and other responsibility. I wish this site was more focused on basketball and less on sophomoric put downs.
I thought VDN gave good answers in the interview and he reacted with contempt when the hosts laughed at him.
You could always start your own that talks like that.
Viva freedom!
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
Don't be so precious.
You’ve given your own jabs on here for things that struck your fancy. Just because you don’t agree this time around doesn’t give you some kind of high ground to demand reform.
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U know U want to
Besides Rose injury, Deng is shaping up as likely scape goat if Bulls get off to slow start. There’s little, if any, remaining "benefit of the doubt’ re Deng’s contribution to the team….it’s put up or shut up now…and expectations are still high from that contract that Deng has an important role on this team.
I’d say it looks about 50/50 whether we’ll all be picking on Deng three weeks into the season. Would prefer he proves any nitpickers wrong, but those nits are getting pretty big while we sit and wait for Den to finally contribute again.
Bush league
You’re not going to get away with doing that in Chicago for very long. Not that Chicago sportswriters are particularly tough compared to other large cities, but they don’t react well to being blown off by somebody in that kind of manner (just ask Milton Bradley). And it’s not like they were asking tough questions or anything, they were simply asking him why he had a player on the bench. That’s the type of question any coach should expect to be asked. If Vinny’s going to flip out over such an innocous question, maybe he ought to consider another profession.
by Big D on Oct 27, 2009 5:40 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
i don't think it was the question
i imagine he didn’t appreciate being laughed at.
they were simply asking him why he had a player on the benchdid you even listen to it?
the name of the team is The DIAMONDBACKS
He should be laughed at for having Rose on the bench
Maybe the embarrassment will keep him from ever doing it again. What the interview makes clear is that he still thinks it was the right thing to do, and the only reason he stopped doing it is probably because management told him to never do that again. That doesn’t say much about his judgment. When you make such a blatantly dumb move, you can’t expect everyone to be nice in the way they ask about it.
so he should
hang for it, in perpetuity? for something done last year, on a mere couple of occasions? rookie player and rookie coach?
not to mention, vdn also has experience as a radio announcer. i personally didn’t think he was very good at it, but he did at least manage to avoid being classless.
the name of the team is The DIAMONDBACKS
He still thinks it was a good idea
And he likely would have kept doing it if his bosses hadn’t told him to stop. It would be different if he now realized that keeping your franchise player on the bench in the final seconds of a close game is a bad idea (granted, you might want to take Rose out for defense in some situations, but Vinny kept him out even when the Bulls had possession). Unfortunately, he hasn’t learned anything, and is still trying to defend it. That doesn’t bode well for the upcoming season.
He never thinks his decisions are wrong.
Remember the timeout fiasco? It was wrong no matter what book you referenced, coach you talked to, basketball guru, etc but he kept doing it and defended it like if he did it a few more times it might work. It is like ramming your head into a wall repeatedly and wondering why your head hurts. It is a troubling trend with Vinny. He doesn’t have to outright say what he does is stupid, but it would be nice if he’d at least say it didn’t work and he wouldn’t be going to that again as an indication he doesn’t actually still think it was a brilliant idea.
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well, i'm across the country
and unfamiliar with this/these clowns. but that was certainly annoying.
i guess it might be considered good radio these days, but i’d have preferred the question asked without the snarky condescension (he is a guest appearing at their request, and their benefit, after all). there’s plenty of time for them to play that act up separately from their interview time.
the name of the team is The DIAMONDBACKS
This is the view that I'm taking on this one
good call marionette.
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by Rose Colored Goggles on Oct 27, 2009 5:58 PM CDT up reply actions
agreed
I would have been fine with it if it were just formed as a question during the interview as opposed to some remark thrown in at the end.
by darksmokepuncher on Oct 27, 2009 6:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Did he really end the interview himself?
It didn’t sound like he just cut them off. It sounded like he made that statement and that was just the last thing they had to say. The questioner was pretty annoying though to me.
"I'm in the Hall already, on the wall already, I'm a work of art I'm a Warhol already"-Jay Z
I don’t think Vinny takes a pounding really but I guess I haven’t read the sports section lately.
I think Vinny is going to obviously be playing Rose at the end of the game but the way whichever guy said it Silvy or whoever. I can see why he was aggravated by it I think he was just defending the decision but doesn’t actually believe in it now.
He's Italian! Give the guy a break.
I have a question was he still on the phone? I swear I heard him stay on listening and then cleared his throat then hung up. If thats true I think it’s funny as hell.
I don’t know…. I thought Silvy came off kinda conceited. He’s really adopted Waddle’s arrogance. That was pretty disrespectful. I have to side with Vinny on this one. If someone called me up to go on there show and then started acting like that I’d I think I’d take offense as well. I think Waddle kinda felt bad. It just seemed kinda spoiled school boy punkish. You don’t tell a person how to do there job on live radio. Silvy thinks he’s Mike North now?
I've got this thing and it's fucking golden!
Ugh
Mike North. What a jackass.
"This is not Vietnam, Smokey, there are rules here." - Walter Sobchak
by Rose Colored Goggles on Oct 27, 2009 6:21 PM CDT up reply actions
not only that the Bulls were trying to get into the playoffs...
and Rose really was struggling late in games at that time. I remember being upset at Rose in the Minnesota game. I know it’s about Rose but he did struggle at times which is to be expected but I guess it’s water under the bridge now.
I think Vinny has a lot of pride and I’m sure thats a sensitive subject to him when his boss has to tell him to play Rose. But you have to admit Rose was sucking some ass late in games.
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I have to agree
There’s a grey area there. From a business perspective, Rose needed to be in the game.
From a coaching perspective, there were plenty of situations where having Rose in the game was not the best move to win that individual game. Gordon needed to be in the game, and having him and Rose made it hard to stop someone when a stop was required. Also, Rose’s lack of range combined with a lack of aggressiveness, made it so that he was even a negative offensively at times.
For some announcer to come along and imply that he was an idiot for putting the people out there that he thought were most likely to win the game, has got to be galling.
yeah when you've played in the league and over seas
that might get to you. It’s just unprofessional and it goes right inline with the buffoon Chicago media types. I understand Vinny has had his ‘’coach issues’’ but you don’t put people on the spot like that.
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I hate when
radio hosts bitch and moan about a coach, then act respectful and toss softballs when the coach is on their show. That’s the first interview I’ve seen this offseason that got any emotion at all out of Vinny.
I really can't believe how many people on this blog
are defending Vinny here. Vinny, you know, the guy that never admits he makes a mistake. The guy that has to constantly proclaim that he’s in charge to justify his explanations of things. The guy who repeatedly makes bad in-game decisions but doesn’t learn from them. He’s the head coach of the Chicago Bulls. If he can’t take the heat, then he needs to get outta the kitchen. The fact that he can’t ever admit he’s made a mistake is what really gets me, and is why I feel like this type of interview is deserved. If he’d just admit that he messed up with the Rose thing, he wouldn’t be getting these types of questions with that type of attitude from Silvy. I’m glad someone finally called him out.
And I'm not saying I totally dislike Vinny
It’s just that his hard-headedness gets really old. Especially when he’s blatantly wrong.
I don't even care if he admits he made a mistake . . .
Just as long as he realizes he made one. Unfortunately, the interview makes it seem like he doesn’t even realize it.
Exactly
I think everyone here agrees with the point he was trying to make. But there was probably a far better way of doing it
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Oct 27, 2009 8:45 PM CDT up reply actions
I know this is off the subject
but Cleveland looks tough. Shaq is in great shape.
I've got this thing and it's fucking golden!
Yeah
Everyones been talking about Shaq hes gonna be good of course but I liked them getting Parker and Moon. Delonte can come off the bench now.
I didn't realize how much better the Celtics got.
they look pretty damn good as well.
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I don't think they were ever that bad.
They were missing one of their big pieces when we played them in the playoffs and their older guys were out of gas. Them starting off strong isn’t surprising, but the fatigue of the long NBA season and injuries are their big opponents. See how they hold up come playoff time.
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they'll be fine..
I had no idea they picked up Marquis Daniels… he seems to play well against the Bulls.
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They weren't fine
last year for the exact reasons cranscape listed. They’re dependent on 3 old guys.
I do think that Daniels and Rasheed will help them more than last year’s backups at guard and pf/c, but if garnett goes down again, they’re still screwed.
So Deng gets hurt and he's an injury-prone sissy
Garnett, the 13 year veteran with over 1,000 games played has a serious knee injury that the Celtics have spent a whole year covering up and it’s “bad luck.”
The Celtics will be fine because the East is so random outside of the top 3 teams.
The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.
by Ozzie Montana on Oct 27, 2009 10:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah so their old
he hurt his knee big deal? Injuries happen but you can come back if it heals right. he looked pretty good to me.
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cleveland lost. yay?
D ROSE D WADE DESTINY DYNASTY
by Juan dela Cruz on Oct 27, 2009 9:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Too bad the finals are played in June.
And there is an 82 game season and playoffs to get through.
Why isn't your friendly Bulls Blogger friendly?
by Dionysus2.0 on Oct 27, 2009 11:19 PM CDT up reply actions
lol so the fact that they look good now......
means they won’t look good in June? Ok.
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With players that old???
Hmmm… They’ll have a swoon at some point.
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
Does no one remember how the Celtics started last year?
I’m pretty sure they started like 24-1 or something ridiculous like that. And then starting in late January they started to get bit by the injury bug and one crazy 7 game playoff series later they’re getting bounced in the second round.
Let’s not get hyperbolic after one game. Yes, the Celtics looked great. But they looked great for the first 1/3 of the season last year too.
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by Rose Colored Goggles on Oct 28, 2009 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions
Great shape getting burned on pick and rolls in the 4th quarter.
And Perkins and KG didn’t have that much trouble containing him after the 1st quarter.
The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.
by Ozzie Montana on Oct 27, 2009 10:33 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Shaq destroyed Perkins all game. He was burying him underneath the hoop.
The problem for CLE, as it almost always is, was that they did the everybody stand around and watch Bron launch 30 foot jumpers. Instead of, you know, running a real offense like they did when Kuester was operating as Offensive Coordinator for Mike Brown.
1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box
by fundamentallysound on Oct 27, 2009 11:16 PM CDT up reply actions
shaq destroyed perk for 10 pts on 11 shots?
other than that, i totally agreed. cleveland looked very ugly last night. on defense too.
Monkeys are like nature's humans.
Shaq destroyed Perkins because his fat ass can still get position on anyone
He still only made one shot after the 1st quarter, and unlike most teams the Celtics have players who aren’t afraid to get physical with him.
Their problem is more than just their pathetic offense, now they have to figure out a way to not get destroyed by the pick and roll. We already know Shaq is full of shit when he says he’ll accept any role on the team, and Mike Brown is a terrible enough of a coach to try and force-feed him 10-15 touches a game.
The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.
by Ozzie Montana on Oct 28, 2009 8:37 AM CDT up reply actions
Although, all of this will be moot for most of the season since LeBron is so so so amazing.
He displayed more ability in one game than some players do in their whole career.
The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.
by Ozzie Montana on Oct 28, 2009 8:39 AM CDT up reply actions
is it just me or did Lebron lose some weight?
His face looks slimmer and I didn’t think it was possible but he looks faster and more agile on the court. Those blocks he had were just disgusting.
Didn't he have a tumor removed on his face?
Might be that.
It’s a roid thing :P
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Or, as they’re otherwise known, the ‘Lebron and Clippers’ show!
Actually the Clippers would have a championship if LeBron was on there, lol.
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Bad coaching makes someone a bad coach
not ending interviews early. No relationship between the two.
He should have kept his cool, but the interviewers did try to tell him how to do his job, and it’s expected that it would offend him. A professional would have asked him to explain his thought process for not having Rose at the end of the games. Then if he says something illogical you challenge him on that.
Instead, they tried to make a joke at his expense. That’s fine if it’s someone you have a relationship with, or someone you don’t mind pissing off. It’s not conducive to having an interview, though.
Lots of gems in that interview, like when Vinny talked about Tyrus. Kept mentioning consistency, and then talked about “fortunately” having Miller and Taj for when Tyrus screws up (implied).
Vinny also did pretty much say that the team is too young/inexperienced to compete for a championship right now. That may be true, but it isn’t what fan bases want to hear, and not something a coach should be admitting before the season starts.
yeah
when Silvy asked about Tyrus’s maturity he kinda side stepped that one and said he’s working hard and something about Miller helping him.
You know what I don’t mind what he said that the Bulls are too young and aren’t good enough.. it’s true. I would rather have someone tell the truth rather than feed me bullshit… Lovie Smith.
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by SoulEater7 on Oct 27, 2009 7:52 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
I am going to say what everyone else has said already so do not read...
It was a bogus way to “ask” a question by making a snide remark and I can’t really blame Vinny for getting a little heated. As other have said though, he needs to realize that it was a mistake and how he responded does not show that. He believes that everything he did last year was good coaching and warranted. He doesn’t appear to have realized that he made some major mistakes last year.
Both of them were in the wrong one way or another. Although, i think it is great when reporters have the balls to ask the “tough” questions. They just did not handle it professionally and neither did Vinny.
I think it was understandable for Vinny to get upset.
But, Silverman asked a question most of us have been dying to know the answer to. I really hate the sports radio shows where they just suck up to the athlete, then a few hours later bash the guy. Silvy at least had some balls to poke and prod Vinny (or he thinks so little of Vinny that he felt compelled to be a dick to him).
The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.
Yeah but don't do it in a way that makes you look childish.
He could have done better asking the question..maybe like do you feel more comfortable with Rose closing games after what he showed in the playoffs?
Plus is this even an issue anymore? I recall Rose in all of the last plays in the playoffs right?
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Charles Barkley's fat ass is taking up half my TV!
And Kevin McHale needs another tailor, or just wear jerseys.
The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.
What Del Negro is trying to say is
you’ll never win a championship when you got 1 winner surrounded by all losers.
I am nobody, so this is what I am
you mean the captains?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Oct 27, 2009 8:17 PM CDT up reply actions
No, I mean Rose.
and by losers…I mean the rest of the team including VDN, but minus Bernie Bickerstaff and Del Harris from last year.
I am nobody, so this is what I am
...and Vinny is our 1 winner!
[according to Vinny]
by KentuckyBullsFan on Oct 27, 2009 8:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Anyone have the sneaking suspicion that Rose is (hopefully just slightly) more
injured than the Bulls are letting on? Is it because the perception of a healthy Rose means more early ticket sales? After the stuff with Deng last year, I don’t trust that a player is healthy until I see it on the court.
Del Negro was asked if being on the floor late in games is important for Rose to learn how to win a championship.
“Well, I agree with that, but do you think we’re ready to win a championship with all these young guys?” Del Negro asked.
Also, Rose described himself feeling like an “old man” a few days ago.
[man, I’m cynical of this organization]
…could explain why Vinny wasn’t his old smooth self during the interview.
by KentuckyBullsFan on Oct 27, 2009 8:04 PM CDT reply actions
If he was really badly hurt
he wouldn’t be practicing yet. I can see them being disappointed if he isn’t ready to contribute a lot during the circus trip. We definitely need everyone at the top of their game to get good results early on in the season. Otherwise I think it would have leaked out.
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Rose update
http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/nba/news/story?id=4599616
“Bulls say Rose healthy enough to start”
Bulls coach Vinny Del Negro believes that his young point guard is healthy enough to start in Thursday’s season opener against the Spurs.
by KentuckyBullsFan on Oct 27, 2009 9:03 PM CDT up reply actions
My problem was not so much the comment itself, but the way he did it
It was a quick little throwaway line like he was talking to his kid or something. Like, “Yea, sure, whatever you say Vinny, just keep Derrick Rose in at the end of games”. And while I agree with the sentiment, he totally minimized the guy. It was pretty rude and not even clever rude or funny rude, just kinda dick.
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
Didn't want to start a whole new thread just to ask a question
Does anyone know if there’s gonna be a way to watch the pregame intros on Thursday? I always liked watching that on opening night and since this game is on tnt I was just wondering if there would be another way
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
TNT
sometimes shows the intro. Though more likely they’ll be focused on Barkely saying something about how the game doesn’t matter because the Bulls suck.
VDN is a bipolar coach. One game everything is gonna go right, and vice versa
the probabilities for VDN are endless, he is not afraid to make “EXPERIMENTS”
D ROSE D WADE DESTINY DYNASTY
This is off the topic, but, the wizards are kicking the mavs' asses right now.
D ROSE D WADE DESTINY DYNASTY
Gilberto is back, has 27 points. Damn, now that all star PG spot for D-Rose...
arrrghhh..
D ROSE D WADE DESTINY DYNASTY
by Juan dela Cruz on Oct 27, 2009 9:55 PM CDT up reply actions
arenas got votes
even when he sat out the season last season. that’s how pathetic the voting is…
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
Silvy knows nothing about basketball
I’m surprised he knew who Vinny was.
Does anyone here have League Pass and know how to get the games in hd, or if you can?
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
Some of them are broadcast in HD
I don’t think it’s something we actually control, just hit or miss on what’s available.
In honor of the dearly departed, I declare July PB&J month - everyone raise a sandwich to the memory of Ben!
I see, thanks. Kinda sucks, but I guess it's better than none of them being in hd
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Oct 27, 2009 11:41 PM CDT up reply actions
League pass is cool for like the first few weeks of the season
then you’re like damn I have to work maybe i should start sleeping again.
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just listened to the interview
and Vinny just regurgitated the same crap and came across with no depth as usual. The ‘we have other bodies’ comment by him scares me since he listed Brad Miller and Taj as possible subs for Tyrus. Reading the comments here I expected Vinny to get assaulted at the end of the interview but man is he touchy. I think he would have come off better if he just explained from the beginning that Derrick was inexperienced and statistically he wasn’t doing well at the end of games than to repeatedly ask in a pissed off way “why do you say that??”…also the fact that he didn’t hang up while they were laughing was just classic. Again, how can he on one hand say he makes mistakes and continues the learn but we have not heard one mistake he’s committed…
To give an answer
you have to be asked a question. “Derrick at the end of games, Vinny. Hahaha” is not a question.
What the hell... is that testicle-face still leading your gang?
Talking about VDN here ofc. What the hell? Any timetable on when he can get fired yet?
Sorry for seeming a bit clueless, but I’m a slightly lost Celtics fan that is kind of interested in your squads development.
Question is a serious one though. What’s up with him still being the chief?
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by Kiorrik on Oct 28, 2009 5:48 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
They like to fire people around Christmas time in Chicago.
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He has a deal.
You know ,,, [slicks back hair] … otherwise things might start to get a little interesting, capiche?
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I just heard the interview and I thought the questioning was fine
Silverman was kind of halfway joking, but I think it sounds worse because of how Vinny handled it. I do think it was a fair question. I remember when he left Rose out and I do believe he has a point as far as Rose not playing well in the 4th. But I think it’s more on the defensive end and taking final shots. When he sat Rose, it was on both offense and defense for a stretch of time in the 4th.
I don’t think Vinny is at a point in terms of success where he should be given the benefit of the doubt when it comes to answering valid questions. He needs to learn how to use timeouts first and actually rotate his players better in in-game situations before acting like he has it all figured out.
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