What will the Bulls rotation look like?
Preseason is finally over. It seems to get longer every year. The Bulls, in my opinion, performed fairly well. Outside of Lu Deng, I thought all the players performed well. The Bulls are talented, long, and versatile. Unfortunately, with injuries to Rose and others during the season, we never saw VDN use a real rotation, and we know with VDN - things can get freaky. So with that mind, here is what I think the Bulls ideal rotation should be.
There has been a lot of back and forth in the media and on the various boards over who should start. Our perimeter is set with Rose, Salmons and Deng. The frontcourt is a more dicey matter. Many people believe that Tyrus and Noah can't play together. I disagree, they have played well together for various stretches over the course of the last 2 seasons - particularly before last year's trade when injuries forced VDN to give Tyrus and Noah big minutes. I think we were 8-2 over that stretch with road wins at Phoenix and Houston. In any case, I believe that Tyrus and Noah are the two most talented big men the Bulls have - and since there are considerable questions about Miller's stamina and Taj's overall play and prospensity for fouling (another 5 last night) I think you go with talent.
Point Guard minutes -
This is easy, Rose should get whatever he can handle - which I put at 36 minutes a game. Hinrich should get whatever's left, 12 minutes a game. The Bulls have one of the top, if not the top, tandem of point guards in the league. For that reason, Pargo and Hunter should never be in a position to run the point.
Rose (36) / Hinrich (12)
Shooting Guard minutes -
The big question here is should the Bulls try and find minutes for Pargo. The short answer is no. Pargo is a decent 3pt shooter and a pretty nice defender. He is really good at pressuring the ball, and if needed, you could probably use him with Hinrich or Rose to bring defensive pressure. But Pargo is so up and down, he can't be counted on for anything. And he more than other player on the Bulls, has shown an inability to execute the offense. He shouldn't play unless the Bulls are down 15 or up 15.
With Pargo out the way, I think Salmons should log close to 32 out of his 36 floor minutes at the 2. This preseason the Bulls went big, and I liked it (more on that later). Salmons playing almost exclusively at the 2, keeps the Bulls big. It also frees up more minutes for our talented forwards, who all expect to get minutes.
Salmons 30 minutes at the 2 / Hinrich 18.
Small Forward minutes -
Oh Luol. You haven't shown me anything. Its hard me for to believe he is healthy, but until someone comes out officially and says Deng is still hurt, than I've got to believe that this is his 100%, at least for a while. With that being the case, I don't believe you can pull Luol from the starting lineup. Everyone talks about Tyrus sulking, but there have been reports of Luol being upset with Gordon taking his shots, Rose getting more publicity and VDN's offense. I think pulling Luol from the lineup would make him regress, and we can't afford that. Instead, I would just limit him to 27 minutes a night, until he proves he is ready for more.
Next up is JJ, and frankly, though I championed his selection and skills, I don't believe he should play. At all. Maybe by midseason he will show some improvement, and I wouldn't mind leaning on him in case of injury, but with a fully healthy roster, JJ just doesn't do enough good to outweigh the bad - his turnovers, his fouls, his inability to play without the ball, and most importantly the fact that when he is on the court, he is taking minutes from a better player on the bench. I'm still firmly in the JJ camp, and believe he can develop into a starter for us over time. But right now, the Bulls are too deep at his position.
With Salmons getting his obligatory six minutes at the 3, that leaves Tyrus to take the last 15 minutes. I was a firm disbeliever in Tyrus's ability to play the SF, and I still question his offense, especially against any type of zone. But right now, Tyrus brings more positives to the position than Luol. Tyrus certainly has proven, at least to me, that he can guard 3's. He is moving much better without the ball so far this preseason (the whole team is) and his movement is best at the 3. Tyrus is a nightmare match up at the 3, because of his size. He isn't going to be able to take his man off the dribble but he should be able to crash the boards, play strong D, and be very hard to handle in the post and along the baseline.
Deng (27) / Tyrus (15) / Salmons (6)
Power Forward
Tyrus is the starter but, Everbody Loves Taj Gibson. And why not. We all thought he would suck but he is actually good. He plays good D, he can hit and open J, and unlike JJ, he seems to know what to do on the court at all times. Still, he is a foul magnet. And I worry about his rebounding. Still, I think he is a pretty good option to play off the bench and should be someone you can play when Tyrus is having one of his off games.
The Bulls from a defensive and rebounding standpoint are at their best when Noah is at PF and Miller is at C. I wouldn't start them together, however, because I think we should be looking to limit Miller's minutes and because I think Noah's natural position is center. He can do somethings out on the floor, but Noah can't make it full time guarding guys like Rashard Lewis and Josh Smith. I think Noah is developing skills to be a very good C, so as much as possible, we should let him learn that position. Still at the end of games, Noah/Miller may be our best option some nights. So he should get at least a handful of minutes at the 4. Therefore:
Tyrus (20) / Taj (16) / Noah (12)
Center
I think the Bulls are going to surprise the NBA with how well the center position performs this year. Looking at the PER differential stats, the center position was our biggest weakness.
http://www.82games.com/0809/0809CHI5.HTM
I look for that to change this season, with Noah improving and Miller being here full time. The center minutes are almost as easy as point guard minutes, the only question is how much power forward will Noah play. I say, a decent amount.
Noah (24) / Miller (24)
At the end of the day, I believe the minutes should be broken down like this -
Rose (36) / Hinrich (12)
Salmons (30) / Hinrich (18)
Deng (27) / Tyrus (15) / Salmons (6)
Tyrus (20) / Taj (16) / Noah (12)
Noah (24) / Miller (24)
End Game Lineup
Outside of playing a Deng or Tyrus when they are having an especially good game, I would finish the games with Rose / Hinrich / Salmons / Noah / Miller lineup - which probably provides our best mix of scoring, rebounding and defense.
Big vs Small
Over the last several years, we have gotten use to the Bulls going small. When in doubt, go small. It was a edict followed by Skiles, passed on to Boylan and finally fully realized with VDN and his Rose, Gordon, Hinrich, Salmons line-up. The Bulls no longer have to go small. They no longer have 3 talented small guards they need to get on the court. They no longer have a deficit of forwards. The Bulls have talented versatile, big forwards and guards. The Bulls can go big with defense, athleticism and agility. The Bulls should exploit the ability to play Tyrus at the 3 and to use Salmons or Deng as big 2's as much as possible. Since we lack 3 pt shooting already, we might as well make up for it with defense and rebounding. When the Bulls went big this preseason, the defense and rebounding were enough to smother what the opposing team did. I would love to see them try this more during the regular season.
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Jannero Pargo is the glue that holds this team together.
by chapuforyou on Oct 26, 2009 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions
Pay attention to the little crap Deng does.
His effort and technique on defense has been strong in the preseason and that’s where most of his value has actually always come from. Offensively his shot and lift hasn’t been there yet, but he only committed 4 turnovers in 218 minutes in the preseason. His ORtg in the preseason was still one of the best on the team despite a FG% under 40%. And his passing isn’t flashy, but it’s an asset to the team. He doesn’t have to be scoring well to be effective on the court. This isn’t the beginning of last season when he looked lost on the court.
by Scotter on Oct 24, 2009 5:42 PM CDT reply actions 8 recs
This is all true, however, for him to be worth his $70 million deal, he needs to be scoring, too.
16-18 points on 52-54% True Shooting is what I’m looking for here.
1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box
by fundamentallysound on Oct 24, 2009 6:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Super.
But I’m not sure that’s the point of this post or Scotter’s comment. Obviously, we can all say anything we want, but we’ve re-hashed what Deng’s “worth” is plenty of times.
I think the question here is 8 more minutes of Deng & 8 less of Gibson, or vice versa. If Deng’s healthy, he should be playing more.
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
My point (not noted in the comment you're responding to, I'll grant) is that his inability to score
or get any lift off the ground is evidence that he’s not healthy. He looks terrible out there on offense. Sure he’s making his usual smart passes and playing his usual deft, ground bound defense, but he can’t get off the ground for lay ups or his jump shot and its a problem.
1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box
by fundamentallysound on Oct 25, 2009 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions
gotcha
While history would lead me to agree, Scotter promotes a possible alternative hypothesis. One which I’m not quick to dismiss. If he added 10 lbs of muscle in his upper body while his legs atrophied (to whatever extent), or hell, just didn’t gain the complementing strength, he wouldn’t get the same lift in that respect either.
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
Whoever told him it was a smart idea to bulk up his arms and shoulders
while his legs were atrophying was a right fool. Deng needs to seek better trainers out. Honestly, I’m a layman and even I can see that’s a horrible strategy for a guy with weak, recovering legs.
1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box
by fundamentallysound on Oct 25, 2009 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, I doubt his legs atrophied that much.
Maybe not at all. maybe that was the wrong word.
What you’re suggesting, then, if, due to recovery from his injury, he couldn’t do much with his legs, and you don’t think he should have done things with his arms (I should have mentioned “core” too, because he probably did that), then… he shouldn’t have done anything?
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
Unfinished thought:
If it takes him two months to get his legs into comparable strength, and for his game to start to come back, I’m okay with that. This season is basically meaningless to me in a way, anyway. Lame-duck coach. Lame-duck starting SG, Lame duck starting PF. I’d like to see if they have a lame-duck starting SF, too.
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
Swim, ride a bike, do those types of things, but
bulking up his upper body when he has a stress fracture in his leg is probably not the smartest course of action. Even just maintaining his upper body size would have been good. He didn’t need to go as crazy as he did. He looks like he packed on like 10 pounds of muscle to his upper body, and his body seemingly couldn’t handle the weight he had before. So why add to the stress? Deng plays a position that by and large is predicated on quickness. He’s limited there to begin with, but him bulking up only exacerbates that problem. Add to that that his bones are seemingly made of peanut brittle and I don’t see how bulking up was the right course of action.
I had the action same injury in high school. Started out as shin splints and then my leg stress fractured. There’s not a doctor in the world who would have told me the best thing for me to do was get my upper body bulked up to put even more stress on that leg. It just doesn’t make sense.
1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box
by fundamentallysound on Oct 25, 2009 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm sure he probably did do those things.
But if you’ve ever been a serious athlete that requires running, you know those things can keep your legs in shape, but they don’t do so in the same way running does. By doing that stuff, building up his legs for running should happen quicker, but it’s still going to take time.
And “it just doesn’t make sense” is why I don’t think you should assume that anyone told him to do that in the way you said.
I don’t know. I guess I’m not ready to write off the season for a basketball player who just started jumping again a month ago… after six months off.
As far as what his body can handle, I don’t know what that is. Neither do you, I’m guessing. While I think we have every right and even obligation to question coaching moves and all that, and I am often baffled by team physicians, I think it’s a little foolish to speculate that we really know what’s “best” without a) having the medical training these guys do and b) being involved with Deng’s care specifically.
Sure, do it. We have that right. But to be so indignant about it?
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
I'm indignant because I'm frustrated. I'm not writing Deng's season off
I’m just concerned about him. It’s been a while. As far as what his body can handle, he’s had numerous injuries that tend to show him as someone who doesn’t have a sturdy frame.
I’m not a doctor, nor did I stay at a Holiday Inn Express, but it seems pretty common sense to not have a guy bulk up when his base is weakened. Maybe he gets his legs back under him fairly quickly as you’re saying. But maybe he doesn’t. Then what?
1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box
by fundamentallysound on Oct 25, 2009 5:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Huh?
nor did I stay at a Holiday Inn Express
"Then you need a center so if the ball gets stuck between the rim and backboard he can reach up and knock it loose instead of having to spend 15 minutes trying to hit it with a broom stick." – Sam Smith
by Granny Waiters on Oct 25, 2009 8:07 PM CDT up reply actions
lame joke based on stupid, stupid commercials.
1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box
by fundamentallysound on Oct 25, 2009 9:17 PM CDT up reply actions
I got it dude
and thought it was fairly clever, actually.
"This is not Vietnam, Smokey, there are rules here." - Walter Sobchak
by Rose Colored Goggles on Oct 26, 2009 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions
The only TV I watch
is Bulls and Bears games and NBA and NFL playoffs.
"Then you need a center so if the ball gets stuck between the rim and backboard he can reach up and knock it loose instead of having to spend 15 minutes trying to hit it with a broom stick." – Sam Smith
by Granny Waiters on Oct 26, 2009 6:01 PM CDT up reply actions
I just watch Bulls games
and NBA and NFL playoffs. I’m not a big fan of football, but playoffs gets me excited enough to watch it. Everything else I watch online.
Things could be worse. We could have kept Boylan.
by stupidgenius on Oct 26, 2009 8:54 PM CDT up reply actions
To follow up on what Fundamentallysound said
I agree that Deng contributes a lot that doesn’t show up on the box score, namely defensively, but if Tyrus can give you the same type of defense with 8 or 9 trips to the line as well, don’t you have to play him some at small forward?
Also part of the reason I want to limit Deng’s minutes is so he can play himself into better game shape. I have hope that he will play better and get his lift back as the season moves into late November, early December, but I don’t know if VDN and his weak job security can afford to wait that long.
by Basketball Smurf on Oct 24, 2009 6:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Tyrus doesn't give you the same type of defense.
They’re two different players. Tyrus at SF still isn’t something I want to see on a regular basis, especially if it’s just a means to get Taj on the court instead of Deng.
scotter
if you’re going to be a defender of deng, the new whipping boy here, i predict much frustration for you. few “fans” seem to watch the game that is occurring off the ball.
(btw, even in supposedly terrible year wherein deng was lost on offense and injured, his PER was just a smidge under league average.)
i actually think deng and thomas can mesh well together, with their different on court characteristics/characters. it’s easy to understand how deng gets a coach’s trust while thomas has trouble earning it. but i don’t want a team of 5 dengs either!
the problem i will acknowledge is scoring in the paint. noah is perhaps just learning to be efficient there, but will never be a strong offensive threat. a deng with no “lift” won’t be efficient there. and tyrus maybe needs to “get it” there more than in any other aspect of his game, or lack therof. thankfully though, those three make the interior passing very good (and it only gets better when miller checks in). they can score the ball a bit too, and figure to improve at it since the team will simply so badly need them to.
the tough early schedule means repeatedly facing good interior defenses, so the danger is that there’ll be discouragement rather than improvement in the paint. i hope the patience that was there last year with the hughes and gooden and nocioni situations will still be there. it seems to me this team is far far ahead of last year’s regarding the rotations.
the name of the team is The DIAMONDBACKS
Another problem with Tyrus at the 3 is that he doesn't know how to rebound from there yet
When he hangs out far from the basket he rarely crashes the boards and often just waits for the ball to bounce to him. On the other hand, Luol is a very good rebounder from the small forward position, which is one of the reasons I’d like to see him on the court in end of game scenarios.
We've had 2 years of substandard play from Deng
All we get from Deng now is a strong defender and decent rebounder. He isn’t hitting from the outside or finishing on the inside. I don’t see the big deal in limiting his minutes until he proves he can play at a high level. Giving 35 minutes a game to Deng right now seems like entitlement minutes. Everyone can see he is struggling. You could hear the crowd at the UC grown every time he missed an inside shot.
I think he may regain his lift. But its been 2 years. When do we stop waiting?
by Basketball Smurf on Oct 25, 2009 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions
I thought this minutes distribution was pretty spot-on
If anything, I could see cutting Deng down to 24 min/gm if his per-minute production doesn’t who some improvement. Tyrus has looked really good this preseason (I know, I know, it’s preseason) and especially looked good when we went big with him at the SF spot.
I don’t know, I’m pretty open to experimenting with line-ups at the beginning of the season as long as it’s the top 8 guys that are getting minutes. I’m not up for experimenting if it means playing Pargo, Hunter and JJ for anything other than 2 minutes at a time.
"This is not Vietnam, Smokey, there are rules here." - Walter Sobchak
by Rose Colored Goggles on Oct 26, 2009 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Agree
Deng could be odd man out in minutes if he continues to play poorly. I really like Tyrus at SF. He can shut a jumpshooting SF down with his quickness and hops (like MMiller in last exhib), and looks much more comfortable on the perimeter. He even posted Miller once. It’s nice to see the Bulls’ opponent have a match-up probablem for a change.
I’d give JJ 5 mins a half to help him develop.
by El Toro de Goro on Oct 26, 2009 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm also not worried about Deng's game
I am worried he’s still hurt, which is really bad considering how long ago the injury was.
However it could also just be working his way back into shape, pain-free. It’s not like he was able to do much this summer.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Oct 25, 2009 1:42 AM CDT up reply actions
He didn't start jumping until right before training camp.
K.C.actually wrote a decent article. I haven’t seen any evidence that he’s still hurt. His effort has been strong. He’s competed on defense and ran the floor hard.
No evidence that he's still hurt? You didn't notice how he couldn't get
any lift near the bucket, repeatedly missed layups, and also had his shots blocked at the rim? You didn’t notice how he’s not getting what little elevation he used to get on his jump shot?
He doesn’t look right. It was stark in the latest game. His defensive effort and production is there, but his defense has never really relied on being particularly explosive. He is just long and smart and plays proper angles. On offense, though, you can really see that he’s not 100%.
1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box
by fundamentallysound on Oct 25, 2009 2:34 AM CDT up reply actions
doesnt not getting lift and such
have more to do with conditioning. Everyones said how deng just looks bigger but not in the right form. My guess, and its only a guess…he couldnt work anything on his lower body due to the fracture, so he spent more time working out his upper body…what that has done is that it has him top heavy, thus why he is struggling to jump….even when he has been shooting, he has been getting less elevation on his jump, mainly due to the increase in upper body strength…but im not a doctor or anything….
My guess is luol isnt hurt, but he probably went through an offseason of just workign on his upper body. Im hoping (and im sure he did) have a trainer with him who basically made a workout so that he could get the upper body strength while he was unable to use his legs properly, and then once he was healthy (meaning now) to get him started on lower body excercises sort of splitting up the workout regime (as everyone probably knows, when you work out, you switch muscle groups and set up a sort of rotation so your muscles can heal, my guess is that luol spent the days he would work out his legs resting more than anything). And although he has been working out his upper body, he might still have a higher body fat percentage than usual, which can be worked out, but is also affecting his abililty to jump and such.
Watching luol he has seemed more odd when moving with the ball, and to me it looked more like his body was unbalanced, and if he is right now more top heavy, i can see that being the case. I figure that for the rest of the season he will be doing more training on his lower body, so that by the end of the year he should start showing more lift and balance….
…Again its just my unexpert thoughts….
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I think that's the hope
it’s just rust/conditioning and not still an injury. I’d rather give him minutes to un-rust him, it’s not like there’s some immediately viable alternative.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Oct 25, 2009 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions
The only thing I worry about with "just giving him minutes"
… is that if he was working on his upper body and it is strong, and his lower body has lost strength, that extra overall body weight WITHOUT the extra lower body strength accompanying it could just lead to a greater chance of injury, especially stress fractures and bad knees.
If that’s the case as Scotter points out, I’d rather they limit his minutes until the work out coaches/trainers feel his lower body can support his extra body weight. Basically, until they seem he him getting that lift throughout the game, they shouldn’t give him more minutes. Plus, we’ve all talked about how dogged Deng has looked at the end of the games. I wouldn’t be surprised if this fatigue has led, or helped lead to, his injuries.
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
Deng should just go see Tim Grover already. Cripes.
1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box
by fundamentallysound on Oct 25, 2009 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions
also forgot to add
he probably hasnt been running or doing cardio workouts as much (cuz for the most part isnt a majority of cardio workouts about being on your feet and running and jumping) so his overall stamina probably took a huge hit, plus several of the games hes played in preseaosn have had him be the top guy, so even though its preseason, i would assume opposing coaches were throwing alot at him before he got the ball, so by the time he got open and got the ball, then found his way to the rim, he probably was tired enough that he couldnt get any lift on his jumps (coupled with my above explanation)…
I read in a post you talk about basketball shooting and your lack of ability to, but i assume you play (from time to time, or used to) and that thus your game must have been more layups and going inside. And although luol is prof. athlete, im still sure you can relate to the task of trying to go for a layup when you are fresh in a game, and trying to do the same layup after you have ran around the halfcourt trying to get free and beating your man off the dribble. Now imagine that scenerio but you havent played real basketball for months, havent really ran much, and have been working out your upper body extensively….the result is probably lack of lift when you actually perform layups in traffic.
(on a personal note, i hadent played full court basketball since before ramadan, so like in august, and i just played a full court game in a gym two days ago, and in the middle of the first game when i went for layups i was struggling getting lifts, by the third game i was struggling getting lift on my jumpshots….now i know im not a world class athlete..far from it…but i also have never really injured my legs…i struggled cuz of lack of conditioning…)
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
I hadn't played basketball in 5 months,
and now when I jump I’m like 5 inches from the rim.
The question: will I be able to dunk? I want to dunk. That would be nice. Then I could dunk instead of miss layups.
…
Anyways.
Everything’s speculative at this point. Thanks for the stats, though, Scotter [way back in the thread of comments], good to know Deng’s still contributing and should be our opening day starter. :)
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5 inches from the rim
i wish i could do that…I think my standing vert is like 28 inches or something, and im only 5’8, so in other words i wont be close to touching any 10 ft rims. i can touch the rim of a 9 foot rim though!!! Well maybe not right now…theres a park by my house that has a baby rim on it, its made out of the same materials as a regular basketball rim, except its only like 7 feet or something….its awesome thought, and its the closest ill get to dunking i guess. I hate that as im getting older my metabolism is dying, i mean before i used to eat all the junk food in the world and i was a twig. Now if i just spend a few days not doing anything active and eating chocolate, i end up having a huge gut within a week. and i even perspire alot more than i ever used to…its all so annoying…
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You have to be like 5 inches (or more) above the rim to dunk.
I could jump 7" above the rim awhile back, but I had short fingers and thus, poor control of the ball with one hand. I had to have two hands to hold on to the ball but also two arms to jump. I could never dunk. I didn’t play enough basketball to ever get that perfect pass for an alley-oop or anything.
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
I play in passing lanes a lot ...
open lane for the dunk!
My vertical’s only 19’ and I’m only 6".
BUT I HAVE LONG ARMS MUAHAHAHA. :)
piccolo: I agree dunking on a low-hanging rim is fun. Heh, I can do it on an 8.5 rim. 9 … I’m like half an inch too low. It gets frustrating.
Maybe I can gain 15 inches on my vert using jump shoes! Or magic.
…
I talk about playing basketball too much. Oh well.
I support the Tornado Release [See: Joakim Noah]
Deng's not in basketball shape yet, he's gonna need at least a few weeks
Salmons is gonna have a full year to show what he can do. I think he will level off from last year, he’s not super athletic, not super quick, not a lights out shooter and asking him to be the focal point of a offense is something he’s never done before. Kirt is gonna be the best outside shooter. I actually would rather he start at the shooting guard position with Deng on the bench, then you can bring Pargo, Deng, JJ, Taj, and Miller in together which is a nice second squad. Then you look at the TT and Taj thing. TT is better, but he’s not coached to his position well. In this pre season we so just as much if not more of Tyrus playing the SF position, and in my opinion he didn’t do well there. Last night as an example he played 35 minutes he went 6 of 16 from the floor and 1 for 8 in the second half. Almost all of his points were in the paint with the exception of one or two jumpers. Taj was 6 of 10 in 25 minutes. TT had 6 boards, Taj had 5, they bothe had a block. My point is, TT is good, but he needs a defined role that will not have him doing things out of his element. Would you rather have TT pulling up 15 footers off the dribble or shooting a set 10 footer off a pick. Do you want him taking his man one on one from 18 feet out to the rack, or rolling to the rim off a D.Rose screen? This team can be good, but you have to use the personnel correctly.
I don't buy several of your TT arguments
1. Tyrus and Taj receive the same coaching. To say he is not coached to play his position well is kind of a cop out.
2. Just because Tyrus plays the small forward position, doesn’t mean he has to start shooting pull up jumpers off the dribble. Our full time small forward doesn’t even do that.
3. Moving Tyrus to the power forward doesn’t stop his jumpshooting problem. It may make it worse. The power forward in the Bulls offense is a pick and pop guy. Taj does that better than Tyrus. The small forward moves along the baseline more, cuts to the basket more. I’ve never seen Tyrus move on offense as much as he did the last 2 games. He also played well his first game back off the bench, playing as a 3.
4. I don’t see how limiting Tyrus to one position has done him much good the past 3 years. This may be Tyrus’s final year with the Bulls. We should see everything he can do on the court, instead of being surprised when he does it for Dallas or Miami or whoever next season. Tyrus wants to play on the perimeter. Fine, lets see how much he can handle. I don’t want to play Tyrus exclusively at the 3, and maybe 15 minutes is too high. But he has a wide range of skills and the Bulls might as well take advantage of them while they can.
by Basketball Smurf on Oct 24, 2009 6:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Stats per36 preseason
15.7ppg, 7.3rpg, 1.0apg, 0.8spg, 1.4bpg, 2.4to, 6.3pf, .580 TS% → Taj
12.9ppg, 6.7rpg, 1.8apg, 0.9spg, 1.1bpg, 2.7to, 4.4pf, .542 TS% → JJ
I don’t understand how Taj’s play has deserved minutes and JJ’s hasn’t. Those numbers are basically identical, and JJ has more longterm value. If we’re going to bench a rookie, let’s not have it be our #16 pick who’s been pretty decent so far.
Basically identical? 4 percentage points on TS%, nearly 3 points per 36 minutes, and better
rebounding is mitigated by fouling less and getting less than one more assist per 36 minutes? Really? You’re reaching a little. I think a better, similar argument is that JJ is younger, seems to have more upside, and the player in his spot right now currently sucks (Deng), whereas Taj’s competition (Tyrus) is actually playing well.
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by fundamentallysound on Oct 24, 2009 8:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Statistical
would rate that about the same because of JJ’s assists, and Taj’s foul rate won’t keep him on the floor long if that continues. The 4 TS% point difference has little meaning, neither shoots enough to make a difference.
Well, isn't Taj a better defensive player than JJ?
I mean, he was Pac 10 defensive player of the year, so his biggest impact should be on defense. And if he is performing JJ to a draw offensively, than wouldn’t you go with the better defensive player?
by Basketball Smurf on Oct 24, 2009 9:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Sure, but I wouldn't have the split
16mpg for one, 0mpg for the other.
I don't like the idea of playing more than 8 guys regularly
I’d rather play one rookie 15 minutes and the other rookie 0 minutes than play them both 7 minutes. It is hard to get into the flow in 7 minutes of action.
by Basketball Smurf on Oct 25, 2009 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions
TT and Taj clearly have different roles
To say that Tyrus at the power forward makes his jump shooting worse than when he’s isolated on the perimeter is a bad assessment, because if Tyrus is properly positioned at the 4, he’s closer to the rim, he should be more open rolling off or running off a screen. But telling TT you have confidence in him making a play on his own when he’s positioned at the 3 point line is wrong.
I agree with you about Tyrus moving around from the 3 to a degree, when he was most effective at the 3 where did he end up scoring at? When he was positioned outside, then the screen comes for him he’d post up near the rim and finish, so all he was basically doing was setting up near the rim to finish, but when he stands around outside, or pops off a screen for a 18 footer that’s my problem. I’d rather Tyrus score 13 points, get 10 boards at least with about 2 blocks a game than he play SF score 18 points shooting 30 something percent from the field, not block any shots and have 4 or 5 boards. Fundamentallysound thinks the Bulls won’t play Tyrus at SF much, I disagree, Tyrus will be a good player when he learns the 4, he will never be a star SF so they shouldn’t consider that. If you can groom the guy why try to groom him at the SF instead of the power forward? Unless they are ultimately gonna replace him with Taj or someone else and moving him to another position is a part of his job being taken!
learn to use the reply button, duder.
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by fundamentallysound on Oct 24, 2009 8:51 PM CDT up reply actions
it ruins the flow of comments and conversations. you're stuff will get pushed down and no one
will know who the hell you’re responding to. I’m just trying to let you know how best to communicate on this medium, but if you want to be lazy and thus, unintelligible be my guest.
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2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box
by fundamentallysound on Oct 24, 2009 8:55 PM CDT up reply actions
your*
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by fundamentallysound on Oct 24, 2009 8:55 PM CDT up reply actions
they have been grooming him to play power forward for the last 3 seasons
Does Tyrus having a learning disability? I think he can figure out more than one position at a time, I mean, he is still playing basketball. And remember, its Tyrus who wants to play on the perimeter. Del Negro is just giving him his opportunity.
Just because he plays the 3 doesn’t mean he has shoot jumpers, again. And its not like he is getting more opportunities near the basket at the 4. Taj doesn’t get many opportunities at the rim either. Neither does Miller when he plays with Noah. Tyrus is going to have to be able to shoot jumpers. Conversely, Deng gets plenty of opportunities at the rim at the 3. So obviously Tyrus playing the 3 doesn’t prevent him going to the rim.
A lot of Tyrus’ poor shooting percentage last game had to do with him taking shots at the end of the shot clock. I don’t expect that to happen when Rose, Hinrich or Salmons are in the game.
by Basketball Smurf on Oct 24, 2009 8:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Tyrus also wasn't setting his feet properly when curling off of screens last night, which hurt some of his jumpers.
He’s a much, much better shooter when he shoots with his feet set, in rhythm. Which makes sense since most everybody shoots better that way (except for me, for some reason).
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by fundamentallysound on Oct 24, 2009 9:04 PM CDT up reply actions
I actually have very big fingers. They account for most of the size of my over-sized hands.
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by fundamentallysound on Oct 24, 2009 11:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Bottom line is this, you don't go to the 5th grade before you finish the 4th
Tyrus still needs to learn the power forward position. He was a raw player with only a few years of organised ball experience and even fewer at the power position, now you tell him to play like a perimeter player, you are only hindering his developement like they did when he was a rookie.
who told Tyrus to play on the perimeter as a rookie?
In 06-07, 07-08, and 08-09 he played 1% of the teams minutes at the 3 or less. So when was he being asked to play on the perimeter, before this season.
http://www.82games.com/0607/06CHI10C.HTM
http://www.82games.com/0708/07CHI15C.HTM
http://www.82games.com/0809/08CHI14.HTM#bypos
by Basketball Smurf on Oct 24, 2009 9:18 PM CDT up reply actions
He still played the SF position
he didn’t play alot, but that can of worms should never have been opened. The very first game he played he was outside alot, and I knew that wasn’t a good role for him. To this day he thinks he’s any where from a 3 to a center, and he’s not, that’s my point!
Wait
Isnt there some interview posted a month ago on this site where tyrus talks about how he felt he was more suited for sf and the bulls pushed him into the pf role???
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by piccolomair on Oct 25, 2009 12:21 AM CDT up reply actions
Also Smurf when you say this is Tyrus last year with the Bulls
You should think of this too, the coaches or some of them want Taj to start, Tyrus most likely won’t be here in a year anyway so they’re grooming Taj because it’s not certain Bosh or any other big will be signed. Tyrus job in my opinion is gone already, the benching in the playoffs and preseason, then this possible position change are all signs. Taj is told to play the position different than Tyrus and it’s clear, because they play the possition differently. Tyrus thinks he can play different positions and it’s even proven by his recent interview with Sam Smith after the game yesterday. What he needs is to focus on being a good power ofrward is my thing, Tyru strying to be what the Bulls want is what has so far stalled his career. If and when he goes to another team that tells him, rebound, block shots, shoot off the pick or attack the rim, then everyone is gonna wonder why he couldn’t do it in Chicago forgetting that Skiles wanted him on the perimeter, the interim was clueless, and Vinny was blinded by hate, then put him back on the perimeter to take his job away. So it seems another season where we will not get a chance to see Tyrus at his best role doing what he does best!
Taj is not told to play the position differently than Tyrus
you have no evidence of that, it wouldn’t make sense for the Bulls to have Tyrus playing the 4 one way and Taj doing something else.
Tyrus plays the position differently because he has the skills to play differently and because HE WANTS TO. I’ve seen you post time and time again, and that is something you just can’t seem to get. The Bulls have been telling Tyrus to play on the inside, and every time he is asked, he says he wants to play on the perimeter too. Every summer he talks about improving his perimeter skills. I never heard Skiles or anyone else (besides VDN) say they want Tyrus on the perimeter. That is Tyrus being Tyrus. I don’t understand why you ignore that. For the first time in his career he has found a coach willing to play him out there some. I say, go for it.
And your theory about the Bulls sabotaging Tyrus makes no sense. Basically, you are arguing that the Bulls benched Tyrus during last year’s playoffs for playing exactly how they told him to play… I don’t think so. He obviously wasn’t doing what the coaching staff wanted. If you think there is some conspiracy to take away Tyrus Thomas’ job by playing him at the 3, well, I’ve sadly heard stranger on blogabull. But I don’t believe it. I don’t think VDN has some secret hate for Tyrus. He played Tyrus more than any coach prior. He just became frustrated because Tyrus didn’t want to play the 4 like he should – setting good screens, rebounding, rotating. Tyrus seems perfectly happy running around on the perimeter. I guess VDN is sabotaging Tyrus by giving him exactly what he wants.
And I don’t remember Skiles ever telling Tyrus to play on the perimeter. Skiles wanted Tyrus to run the floor, because if he does that, he has an obvious advantage at the 4. Tyrus wasn’t listening. That is on Tyrus.
by Basketball Smurf on Oct 24, 2009 9:13 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Taj is:
-older than TT
-has gotten infinitely more/better coaching than TT [I’ll give you a year of Skiles, but then a half-year of outcast skiles followed by a half-year of Boylan and a full year of VDN is NOT GOOD]
I support the Tornado Release [See: Joakim Noah]
how do you know taj has gotten better coaching than Tyrus?
Taj spent 3 years under Tim Floyd, not exactly the Dean Smith of coaches. He is only 1 year older than Tyrus. I can’t remember who Tyrus’ college coach was, but he couldn’t have been that bad, he got LSU to a final 4. Since than he has had 2 training camps with Skiles and one with VDN. Tyrus biggest problem is he doesn’t do what the coaches ask all the time. That is on Tyrus, not the coaches.
by Basketball Smurf on Oct 25, 2009 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
My personal opinion is Vinny didn;t think Tyrus couldn't help the team
Is there a beef, only those two really know, that as well as Taj’s role is all only my opinion. However Vinny encourages Tyrus to shoot the jumper, that we should agree on. I would honestly think, if the Bulls coach told Tyrus to be a better rebounder, be more aggressive scoring and try to attack the rim more, he’d do it. From the article’s last week, Tyrus still doesn’t have a defined offensive role, which means he’s not really given a specific thing to do, but again we know Vinny encourages Tyrus to “run and hit the open jumper”, this alone tells me Tyrus is somewhat told to stay on the outside. However you see Taj post up, (even though he’s natural at it), he won’t extend past the free throw line, and he hits the boards hard. Now you don’t think Tyrus would do those things if he was told to, or do you think he’s nagging and begging Vinny to let him play like Reggie Miller?
One would think Chicago's beat writers could shed light on this.
Except KC, Sam, and Mike McGraw have been pointing out TT’s short comings for a while. Except I haven’t particularly wanted to listen because I want TT to succeed…
Didn't Stacey say during
the game Friday night that the coaches have worked a lot in practice with TT trying to get him to post up? Wouldn’t that be something specific they told him to do? I think you are just making for excuses for TT.
Please use the reply feature under the posts you reply to. Makes it much easier to follow.
Recipe for Disaster;
C'mon Cubs, hurry up and blow this so I can relax.
by Bluekoolaide on July22, 2009 3:08 PM CDT
Sue, just because they say they're working with Tyrus in the post doesn't mean he's positioned there all the time
If you watch the games, you will notice Tyrus establishes himself outside of the paint. According to Tyrus he has no set offensive role, according to Vinny he likes Tyrus shooting outside jumpers when open, according to Stacey they’ve worked with Tyrus in the paint, yet when Taj comes in the games he has the same role, and he does the same thing. Now does my position seem a little more clear. Three different people have said three different things about Tyrus on offense, then we see him play more small forward than power forward in the pre-season, and you think me saying Tyrus and Taj have different roles is wrong?
You said they have different roles when playing power forward
that somehow, Tyrus is being taught differently even though he and Taj have the same skills. That is pure hogwash. Taj sets up outside the paint most times. Taj is running out on the perimeter setting screens. He is shooting 15 to 18 foot jumpers. I’ve seen Taj post twice, both times on broken plays. If he is catching the ball closer to the paint it is because he does a better job of recognizing when he can sneak in closer to the basket and get his shot off.
by Basketball Smurf on Oct 25, 2009 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions
I'd give Hinrich 5 more minutes at the two, Deng 8 more, Taj 8 less, Thomas at PF.
PG: Rose 36 – Hinrich 12
SG: Salmons 25 – Hinrich 23
SF: Deng 33 – Salmons 10 – Johnson 5
PF: Thomas 35 – Noah 13
C: Noah 25 – Miller 23
My “ideal game” would be Miller getting 5 more minutes at C, Noah 5 less at C but 5 more at PF, Thomas 5 less at PF but 5 at SF. But who knows if Miller is in that kind of shape.
The averages would come out to 2 or 3 minutes less because of match-ups, blowouts and just wanting to get other guys in the game, but that’s what I’d shoot for. Obviously, Deng needs to be healthy. If you really think he can’t go 33, but can go 25-27, then there are 3 choices depending on (::duhn::duhn::duhn::) gameflow matchups: a) Salmons gets more at SF, Pargo fills in the 5-8 minutes at PG/SG, b) play Johnson 5 minutes more at SF, or c) play Gibson 5 minutes per game at PF and, yes, try Thomas at SF. I’d probably usually opt for a) or b).
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
Just Askin'
Why all this talk about Taj, and exactly zero minutes for JJ? Wasn’t he the Bull’s top draft pick. Do we think he was drafted to keep Aaron Gray company? Some experts are calling him the sleeper pick of the entire draft class. Doesn’t anyone think that the Bulls will give him some time on the court? I expect JJ to see 15-18 mins in the early going.
I JUST RECEIVED A WARNING FOR NOT USING THE REPLY BUTTON!
First off, whenever I address someone I use the reply button, Sue and fundamentallysound have both made remarks about me using it. The reply I had to Sue above is the first time I ever even addressed Sue, so why this person is complaining I don’t understand, then for me to get a warning not for using bad language, but for alledgedly not hitting the reply button is stupid! I don’t curse anyone, I don’t get abusive when people disagree with me, so why give me a warning for something so trivial? C’mon now, if you wanna monitor the board and issue warnings and what not, warn people for something serious, not because someone ASSUMES you didn’t hit the reply button!
Umm...
if you used the reply button, your comments would look like this, indented. This isn’t a software malfunction; it’s human error.
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
well...Anyone who I need to reply to I reply to them
But just assuming I need to hit reply when I just want to chime in and state my opinion is stupid. If I don’t hit the reply button it’s because I’m not replying to someone in particular, has that ever crossed your mind, or is it a rule here that to make a remark you have to be replying to someone!
except there are clearly times when you've addressed someone by name (Smurf)
or also addressed others by the content of your posts, and you didn’t use the reply button as would have been proper. It’s really not that hard to do. You just click reply rather than typing up a new comment, and it really helps the flow of conversation. So, instead of whining about it, and wasting a lot of energy doing that, conserve your energy so that you can use it to hit the reply button.
This. is. not. rocket. science.
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3. Make some team open that box
by fundamentallysound on Oct 25, 2009 10:53 PM CDT up reply actions
O.K, O.K, so I looked over and saw what you all mean
You don’t have to beat me over the head with this issue. I’ll be more aware of this “reply button”
Success!
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by fundamentallysound on Oct 25, 2009 11:58 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
heh, movitation through berating
it doesn’t work as much as it should here.
USE THE SOFTWARE. Actions-> Rec/Flag. Reply to comments with the reply button. Rec good fanposts/fanshots so the crud gets pushed down.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Oct 26, 2009 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions
i'd rather you claimed ignorance
than defiance.
USE THE SOFTWARE. Actions-> Rec/Flag. Reply to comments with the reply button. Rec good fanposts/fanshots so the crud gets pushed down.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Oct 25, 2009 7:36 PM CDT up reply actions
You know, it's not just for literally replying to someone.
It helps to keep a topic together, so that when someone comes late to a conversation they don’t get confused or make a ton of comments someone else has already made but that have since been pushed down page.
In honor of the dearly departed, I declare July PB&J month - everyone raise a sandwich to the memory of Ben!
Mine would look like this
PG: Rose 35/ Hinrich 13
SG: Salmons 31/ Hinrich 17
SF: Deng (once he’s 100%) 35/ Tyrus 5/ JJ 4/ Salmons 4
PF: Tyrus 30/ Noah 10/ Taj 6/JJ 2
C: Noah 25/Miller 23
So all of the starters play 35 minutes, and then Hinrich gets 30, JJ and Taj both get 6, and Miller gets 23.
Things could be worse. We could have kept Boylan.
I prefer JJ to get Tyrus 5 min to be at least the 2nd SF coming off the bench in the future
I mean what is the point of playing Tyrus at the 3.. he can’t shoot 3s or take his defender off the dribble. If Tyrus plays 3 the other team will go in a zone and he will be shooting long 2s and missing…the guy is too dumb to read defenses and that is why VDN is even considering to start Taj because he can read the defense and sticks to his strengths whatever they are.
Noah is definitely gonna play more than 30+ minutes...
His production from last years playoff series and this years pre-season seem to assure my assumption.
I think Miller will give 15-20 minutes a night. Hes too old and white. Although the fact that he is old has more warrant than the fact that he’s white. Although I would like to assume that had Brad Miller been a black man he would of been exactly 255% superior basketball player… Its those superior physical genes the black man has…
I think that Pargo would get some minutes… maybe 15 or so. He has shown that he can “be” a threat in the perimeter. His passing skills have improved… I heard that he did a great job backing up Chris Paul in New Orleans… and he was out in Europe gaining some experience… Now I don’t give that such high warrant… the fact that he went to Europe I mean… But its something. It had to had done “something.”
I mean if your the Bulls Organization… they could of probably found countless of chumps a million dollars to play for them for one season…
I guess Pargo was the most talented chump they could find for that limited amount of money.
Hes a decent player that can score sometimes and pass a little now. If the Bulls plan to run the ball more this year… they’re gonna need to throw somebody in during those last 20 or so seconds of the first 3 quarters… to give some extra rest to Rose and Hinrichs legs.
by 420man! on Oct 26, 2009 2:48 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Is this excepted from Borat’s NBA blog?
by El Toro de Goro on Oct 26, 2009 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Or Jimmy the Greek.
"Then you need a center so if the ball gets stuck between the rim and backboard he can reach up and knock it loose instead of having to spend 15 minutes trying to hit it with a broom stick." – Sam Smith
by Granny Waiters on Oct 26, 2009 6:02 PM CDT up reply actions
He was an old sports announcer who got into trouble basically saying blacks were genetically superior at sports than whites due to having certain physical attributes like quick twitch muscles. This caused an uproar and I think he got fired for it.
Specifically, Jimmy the Greek claimed blacks were better athletes than whites,
due to selective breeding by slave owners.
"Then you need a center so if the ball gets stuck between the rim and backboard he can reach up and knock it loose instead of having to spend 15 minutes trying to hit it with a broom stick." – Sam Smith
by Granny Waiters on Oct 28, 2009 8:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Thats a shame
People are so sensitive on the issue… The issue of “race.”
A man simply states his opinion and gets ridiculed by it.
So much for peoples “first amendment rights.”
We live in country that encourages the expression of ones thoughts and have laws to protect such things… but at the same time we have a society that seemingly can’t comprehend such a concept at times… the freedom to individual opinion.
I certainly agree that the statement of “blacks better than whites” is of low taste… however no matter how tasteless people may view it… one cannot deny that fact that that man had every right to say such a thing.
Even the most “radical” thoughts… are simply thoughts.
Why must the media and the general public get so outraged by such things?
There are greater issues in the world than one man saying “bad” things…
People are dying out in the middle east… children are starving in Africa… unemployment is rising beyond 10% in this country…
Thoughts. Words. In retrospect they are harmless. Harmless in the sense that they cannot possibly do any physical harm.
However words have a tendency to sting peoples minds…mental harm. Some people are weak minded and some strong.
…and some just don’t simply care.
There's actually an ESPN doc coming out in a few weeks.
http://30for30.espn.com/film/the-legend-of-jimmy-the-greek.html
The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.
by Ozzie Montana on Oct 28, 2009 9:55 PM CDT up reply actions
I feel like I
read that drunk. 0_o
Recipe for Disaster;
C'mon Cubs, hurry up and blow this so I can relax.
by Bluekoolaide on July22, 2009 3:08 PM CDT
"he has shown that he can 'be" a threat in the perimeter..."
why the hell is BE in quotes?!?!
o_0
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
Hey I implied that he can shoot the ball...
I never said he could do much else… I still stick by my thought that he has shown some passing skill tho
Its not like hes going get to many minutes to jack up bricks.
At the very least he will spread the floor slightly or give Rose more rest when he needs it.
whoops
My mential comprehension was slightly compremised during that time… Actually come to think of it, it is currently in that state….
I cannot seem to think of a logical reason as to why I quoted that “be”… My gut feeling tells me that perhaps I simply “just did”. For no reason. Its funny how sometimes in life we do (or in this particular case… “type”) certain things without concrete a reason.
My theory is that the human mind is prone to such minor mental mishaps… The human brain is a very powerful yet unpredictable thing… thoughts turned into actions throught the swift strike of each key stroke… words created… and thoughts put into a readable form.
But the trasition of our thoughts… I mean… converting our thoughts into actions is never a perfect transition I guess… You know sometimes you think of a great idea or a interesting idea… and sometimes its doesn’t turned out as perfectly when you finally put the idea on paper?
Are you sure it isn't the superior Swedish genes from his mom where Noah get's his talent?
Or maybe he got his height from his french grandmother. If you look at his family tree, he’s 25% Cameroonian, 25% French and 50% Swedish… Technically he’s more white than black.
I love racism.
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett

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