Celtics make Tyronn Lue an assistant coach

Wait...they didn't give him a guaranteed contract to be a pseudo-coach?

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No, because they actually want to use their roster spots for productive players.

Not as holding places for the coaching staff.

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2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box

by fundamentallysound on Oct 23, 2009 4:47 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Tyronne Lue?

I had no idea he was respected. This is Pete Myerseque. Hiring a scrub to the coaching staff.

Still, I’m not worried. Coach Hunter has more experience.

by Basketball Smurf on Oct 23, 2009 4:49 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

true that and he is still gaining more experience

by playing a ton of minutes like tonight

by i_like_turtles on Oct 23, 2009 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

The whole Linsey Hunter hate thing is getting pretty old

If we ever really need that roster spot then we’re probably fucked anyway

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by Juiceboxjerry on Oct 23, 2009 7:01 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

sorry. didn't know it was out of bounds to complain about a team that refuses

to go over the luxury tax choosing to pay a guy who has no business on an NBA roster 1.2 million a year.

and its not hate – no one has any problem with Hunter. They just don’t want him taking a roster in case, you know, he actually has to play.

by Basketball Smurf on Oct 23, 2009 10:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Actually he really doesn't have to play

and there’s nothing wrong with hating on the franchise for being cheap, I do it all the time. I’m just saying that giving Hunter a one year deal, when it appears that all of his teammates (particularly Rose) really like and respect him, is certainly not the end of the world. And hardly worth talking about at this point. There are more important things to get mad about, like Luol Deng’s god-awful contract.

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by Juiceboxjerry on Oct 23, 2009 10:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'm so glad you're always here to let us know

what should be talked about, and at what degree.

You can be mad at BOTH, ya know?

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Oct 24, 2009 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Give me a break

at what point, in this, or any other post am I telling people what they should or should not be talking about? Just cause I said I’m sick of hearing about something doesn’t mean I’m telling people what to talk about, besides, that’s your job:)

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by Juiceboxjerry on Oct 24, 2009 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

you see, i think it does matter

I didn’t know being a well-liked veteran got you a roster spot if you couldn’t play. Hunter is the 5th guard on a team that will likely play 4 guards. If any 2 of 3 of our point guards get injured, (you know, the 3 guys who sat out last game) he gets minutes. So it his ability to play does matter. You may believe that his veteran goodness out weighs the risks of him actually getting on the court, but that would be your opinion. A lot of teams use their last roster spots to identify young players who they believe can help them in some capacity in the future, for example Portland gave their last roster spot to Patty Mills over the known suckitude of Jason Collins or Ime Udoka. To frame it as “Hunter Hate” that is “getting old” kind of suggests that there is absolutely no basis for criticism. There is. How much time should be devoted to it is all in the eye of the beholder.

by Basketball Smurf on Oct 24, 2009 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Let me just say it again

I don’t care who you put in that spot, if we NEED to use them for whatever reason this year, we will suck. If Rose and Hinrich both go down with 20 games to go in the regular season and we’re fighting for a playoff birth, I would rather miss the playoffs altogether than see a guy like “Patty Mills” get his ass kicked against a playoff team in the first round.

And btw, once again I will say that I have NO PROBLEM with anyone talking about this. Me saying that I’m sick of hearing about it was just my way of framing my argument, not me literally telling people to stop talking about it. So, by all means continue, but I’ll still be sick of hearing about it.

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by Juiceboxjerry on Oct 24, 2009 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

but the point is that we could suck less when injuries strike

if we had a real 5th option. And sucking less is just another way of saying we would be better. This is not hard.

1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box

by fundamentallysound on Oct 24, 2009 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I know it's not hard, you guys are making it hard.

I’m trying to tell you that I don’t give a shit about “sucking less”.

"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro

by Juiceboxjerry on Oct 24, 2009 5:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

sucking less is important in games where we have guys dinged up.

it can be the difference between winning or losing against lousy teams like the TWolves. If you lose those games because of fluky injuries, that hurts your playoff chances, because now you have to make up for that loss by beating someone you probably wouldn’t normally have to beat.

Again, this is not rocket science. The guys at the end of the bench matter. They don’t matter as much as the other guys, but they certainly matter. This is the reason the Rockets have been able to remain a playoff team despite crippling injuries to half their cap space (Yao and T-Mac), because they value every roster spot.

1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box

by fundamentallysound on Oct 24, 2009 6:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Well, personally

in the event that we just need to win a couple games due to fluky injuries I wouldn’t have a problem with Lindsey playing in that spot. I know he sucks, but he knows his place on the team and would have no problem getting the team into their sets.

"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro

by Juiceboxjerry on Oct 24, 2009 6:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

So I take it you didn't watch the start of last night's preseason game

by Basketball Smurf on Oct 24, 2009 6:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I did actually

You mean the one they won by 23 points? (No thanks to Lindsey Hunter, but still)

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by Juiceboxjerry on Oct 24, 2009 6:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

That's at least a defensible position to take

but it’s fundamentally different from what you were saying previously. Before you were saying “it doesn’t matter, I don’t give a shit. If we need Lindsey Hunter to play for 20 games we’re fucked anyway.” (paraphrasing of course). Saying that he’s competent in spot minutes is a different thing entirely. I disagree that you really want to use him, but he didn’t totally kill us last night and his defense on Gil was pretty good (with the caveat that Arenas looked pretty bad).

1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box

by fundamentallysound on Oct 24, 2009 8:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

dude, if you don't have anything interesting to say

you should probably stop talking

by Basketball Smurf on Oct 24, 2009 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

i wasn't talking just about this year

i don’t believe Portland thinks Patty Mills can help them at all this year. They are looking down the line, believing that Mills may have the talent to either be used as an asset in a trade package (like Sergio Rodriguez was) or possibly be made into a back up point guard they can use when Blake and Miller contracts run out.

Seeing as the Bulls have 3 veteran guard on 1 year deals, and a 4th guard who they may want to trade, having a 5th guard who may be around the team when those guys are gone could be beneficial. But I already know – you don’t care.

by Basketball Smurf on Oct 24, 2009 5:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

This is what I find funny about this place

We currently have a guy on the roster right now who’s an 11th, 12th man on the bench, his name is Aaron Gray, and he is basically a BaB punching bag. Yet, if they had some old, team-friendly vet on the roster instead (like a PJ Brown type) everyone would be bitching that PJ is taking the spot of someone who could use it (like an Aaron Gray).

And did you really just compare Sergio Rodriguez, a guy that was drafted in the first round and somewhat highly regarded, to whatever anonymous D-League scrub that we would be using to fill that roster spot? If we release Tyrus next year in order to retain Lindsey Hunter then maybe we can talk.

And in response to your other post above, just because you disagree with what I say doesn’t mean that I should “stop talking” or that it’s not “interesting”. and if that’s how you feel maybe you should stop talking.

"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro

by Juiceboxjerry on Oct 24, 2009 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

People making fun of Aaron Gray

is very different from people saying he has no place on the roster. People may think Gray sucks, but they recognize the importance of having a 3rd center on the roster. They just may disagree with who that guy is. The difference between a “PJ Brown” type and Hunter is that the PJ Brown type can still play.

And yes, I had the gall to compare someone traded for a 2nd round pick to an anonymous D League scrub. Shocking I know.

by Basketball Smurf on Oct 24, 2009 6:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

And yes, I had the gall to compare someone traded for a 2nd round pick to an anonymous D League scrub. Shocking I know.

My point with that was, you were saying that whatever guy the Bulls put in Hunter’s spot would be a possible trade asset, like Rodriguez. I’m sorry, I don’t think the Raptors are only willing to trade Chris Bosh if we include Derrick Byars.

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by Juiceboxjerry on Oct 24, 2009 6:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

People make fun of Aaron Gray for the same reason they make fun of

Lindsey Hunter. They are both lousy and having them on the team is a waste of roster spots that could be better put to use with better players.

Every roster spot matters. To say otherwise is foolish.

1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box

by fundamentallysound on Oct 24, 2009 6:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I know that Aaron gray sucks

what I am trying to say is that it is very rare to find a guy that is exceedingly better than him to fill that spot on the roster. Would you have been way happier with Chris Richard there? If not, then who? Instead of just ripping the guys we have in those spots I’d like to see you guys offer a better choice. In you did that, I would be way more likely to agree.

"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro

by Juiceboxjerry on Oct 24, 2009 6:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

the whole point of having scouts and management

is so that they could identify who can play and who can’t. That is their job, they should be doing a better job of bringing guys who can play at the end of the bench.

In the playoffs last year, Boston used Marbury, House and Allen for significant stretches and Powe, Moore, Big Baby. That didn’t cut it, they paid for playing those guys too much. Therefore they went out and got Rasheed Wallace and Marquis Daniels.

We aren’t talking about finding a guy exceedingly better. We are talking about finding a guy who is better (in the case of Gray) or not completely useless like Hunter.

by Basketball Smurf on Oct 24, 2009 6:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I think that they beleive

that having a veteran leader like Lindsey Hunter has more value to the team than another guy that they would’ve used that spot on. Now you’re gonna say they should have made him a coach. I really can’t disagree other than to say that I’m sure they exhausted their options and felt this was the bes route to take, for whatever reason. And since I’m not employed by the Bulls I couldn’t say why. But I can say that I really don’t have a problem with it.

"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro

by Juiceboxjerry on Oct 24, 2009 6:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Leon Powe for starters.

1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box

by fundamentallysound on Oct 24, 2009 8:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Well absolutely

but that is another guy that is gonna want minutes. Let’s just say hypothetically that we did get Leon Powe. He comes in and plays well. So Vinny starts to give him a good amount of time on the floor. Then he starts taking time away from Tyrus in key situations. Now everybody in here starts bitching about how they can’t believe Powe is getting minutes over Tyrus. Sometimes it just pays to have guys that know their role. That’s all i’m trying to say.

"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro

by Juiceboxjerry on Oct 24, 2009 9:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I think anyone here with a brain would want Powe getting

minutes over Tyrus. Powe is better than Tyrus.

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2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box

by fundamentallysound on Oct 24, 2009 11:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

not with one leg.

(barely)

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Oct 24, 2009 11:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

well, when he gets back to being healthy, I mean.

but yes, in their current iterations, obviously Tyrus is better because he’s healthy.

1. Cut a hole in a box
2. Put your Kirk in that box
3. Make some team open that box

by fundamentallysound on Oct 24, 2009 11:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I would not be so sure about that

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by Juiceboxjerry on Oct 24, 2009 11:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I think Gray deserves a roster spot

He can actually play.

I don’t get why they couldn’t save a few bucks and just give him the minimum instead of his full QO.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Oct 24, 2009 11:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

And I never said I "don't care"

That implies that I’m being lazy and careless with my opinion on the subject which couldn’t be further from the truth. I said I don’t “give a shit” about bringing a “better” guard in, in place of Lindsey Hunter. Just because you have a higher value for a 5th guard on a team than I do, does NOT mean that I don’t care.

"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro

by Juiceboxjerry on Oct 24, 2009 5:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'm sorry, I misunderstood

Obviously – “I don’t care” and “I don’t give a shit” convey 2 totally different meanings. I must have been confused. When you wrote:

I’m trying to tell you that I don’t give a shit about ‘sucking less’.

I assumed it was because you didn’t care who the 5th guard was because you felt it had no bearing on the success of the team. When I offered reasons why I would have preferred the 12th roster spot go to a guy who could actually play at an NBA level and you wrote:

I don’t care who you put in that spot, if we NEED to use them for whatever reason this year, we will suck. If Rose and Hinrich both go down with 20 games to go in the regular season and we’re fighting for a playoff birth, I would rather miss the playoffs altogether than see a guy like "Patty Mills" get his ass kicked against a playoff team in the first round.

My apologies. I though the words you wrote implied that you put no value in the 5th guard position, that you didn’t care who they put that in spot.

Silly me. I read what you wrote.

by Basketball Smurf on Oct 24, 2009 5:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

WOW

All you have to do is read the post directly above you. I know I said I don’t give a shit about the 5th guard, I quoted myself above, you didn’t have to. But, in your other post you tossed my whole opinion aside by saying:

But I already know – you don’t care.

To me, that feels like you are inferring that I am being lazy with my argument, which I was not. I DO NOT care about a fifth guard and I don’t understand why that is such a controversial opinion that you have to degrade everything I write. I can’t believe I had to explain that again

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by Juiceboxjerry on Oct 24, 2009 5:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Are you drunk? Did you get in the head?

This is a Rick James moment. Read what you just wrote.

I accused you of not caring about a fifth guard and you write “I DO NOT care about a fifth guard”.

Hahahaha. You win man. I don’t know what to say. Cocaine is a hell of a drug.

by Basketball Smurf on Oct 24, 2009 6:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yea, you're cool

referencing Chapelle’s show from five years ago. This is very simple. We’re obviously talking about two different things with the “don’t give a shit”. “don’t care” argument. For the 800th time, I know I said I don’t give a shit about the fifth guard, I DON’T.

This isn’t a GOTCHA! moment here, I was talking about not giving a shit about my ARGUMENT AS A WHOLE. Which. Is. What. I. Thought. You. Were. Implying. Any other lame pop culture references you’d like to use to respond to this can be placed directly below…

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by Juiceboxjerry on Oct 24, 2009 6:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

The whole argument was about a 5th guard!

So when you say “I DONT CARE about a 5th guard” what the hell is anyone suppose to think? What else have we been talking about in this thread besides Hunter and his roster spot? Point to some place in this thread where people talk about anything other than a 5th guard or a 12/13 roster spot.
Since humor doesn’t work with you, I’ll just come out and say it – you are being an idiot. You are talking in circles. You have no point. Is that direct enough for you?

by Basketball Smurf on Oct 24, 2009 6:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

WHAT?!!!

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by Juiceboxjerry on Oct 24, 2009 6:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Chappelle's show is still awesome.

Lame pop culture references my ass.

I support the Tornado Release [See: Joakim Noah]

by Prevenge on Oct 25, 2009 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

agreed

nobody’s too cool for Chappelle’s show.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Oct 25, 2009 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Actually,

nobody loves Chapelles show more than I do, Ijust thought it was lame the way he used it

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by Juiceboxjerry on Oct 25, 2009 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

http://www.dwightjaynes.com/patty-mills-forces-the-trail-blazers-into-a-personnel-move

There is no question the Trail Blazers would have loved to retain the rights to point guard Patty Mills, a second-round pick. But as a draft choice, the team was forced to tender him a contract offer.

I believe Portland thought Mills would pass on that offer, and head off overseas to play this season. Then the Blazers would have retained his rights. Problem for the Blazers, though, is that he doesn’t seem to want any part of that and forced the team’s hand.

He signed that contract and now the Blazers must keep Mills on the 15-man roster or cut him. I don’t think there’s any way the guy is going to make the final roster – one more point guard is not what this team needs. But he’s done something a lot of other players haven’t been able to do — he’s found a way to force the franchise into a personnel move.

by jpm356 on Oct 24, 2009 5:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

i screwed that up

but that is a direct quote from the link

by jpm356 on Oct 24, 2009 5:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Patty Mills is besides the point

The choice isn’t between Patty Mills and a player to mentor Greg Oden. The choice is which player -Patty Mills, Ime Udoka or Jason Collins – can help the Blazers more this season.

And your own links says the Blazers hoped to retain his rights. So in the event that something opens up for Mills or he improves greatly, they will have retained his rights down the line.

I’m skeptical of the mentor-player relationship. And it seems to me the Bulls could have named Hunter and an assistant, saved themselves $500k and brought in someone who could actually play.

Its not a big deal. It won’t determine the outcome of the season. But I’m convinced that small details like these are what separate the perennially well run franchises from the mediocre ones.

by Basketball Smurf on Oct 24, 2009 5:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yea, you're right

cause it’s not like the Celtics would ever employ a guy like Sam Cassell to sit on the bench and basically just collect a paycheck. Oh, wait…

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by Juiceboxjerry on Oct 24, 2009 6:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Are you talking about the same Sam Casell

who is an assistant coach for the Washington Wizards now, or the one they traded away when he couldn’t play anymore so they could sign Stephon Marbury?

by Basketball Smurf on Oct 24, 2009 6:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I don't hate Lindsey Hunter, he's awesome.

I hate the Bulls don’t realize the distinction in giving out million dollar contracts to scrub players like they’re candy, then saying it’s impossible to go over the luxury tax to acquire a good player.

The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.

by Ozzie Montana on Oct 24, 2009 12:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs