Rookie Taj Gibson will start at power forward Monday night against Orlando.
[From the FanShots. Not officially unleashing the Org.-wants-Tyrus-to-fail-so-they-don't-have-to-pay-him tirade until the start of the regular season. For now, we'll just assume Vinny is being strange. -ed.]
I know it's just a preseason game, but it's the penultimate one and there's no apparent reason to not start Tyrus. So, why the hell isn't Tyrus starting Vinny? Give the man his starts and his minutes.
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Ugh, it's already started.
I blame Stacey King.
by Illini15 on Oct 19, 2009 3:29 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The way the lineups have been
whether it be injury or otherwise, i hope thats just vinny getting it out of his system….i hope to god thats all it is…
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Oct 19, 2009 3:42 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Couldn't it just be as simple as
Tyrus isn’t 100% healthy yet, therefore they’d rather wait another game til they start him? There’s no chance Taj is our starting 4 on opening day. I don’t get what the big deal is…
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Oct 19, 2009 3:43 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I dont mind it in the preseason
but its still scary…any success might make vinny think he found something….like i said im hoping whatever the reason, its also getting lineup changes out of vinnys systems….i hope he realizes pargo isnt bg, taj is a good bench player that can give you spot up minutes, and aside from the top 7….no one should get much burn…
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by piccolomair on Oct 19, 2009 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, probably.
Tyrus did limp a bit when leaving the last game. Though if he’s ok to play, why not just start him?
And there’s an absolute chance Taj starts on opening day. Friggin’ Thabo started at the 2 last year.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Oct 19, 2009 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Clearly you know nothing about basketball!
If Tyrus is getting over an injury, the sensible thing to do is to bring him off the bench. That way, we not only risk him making the injury worse, we send the important message to everyone that getting injured won’t be tolerated and makes you subject to losing your starting gig.
Seriously, you run this blog?
by Sports2 on Oct 19, 2009 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
B#$&)(*#, is that you?
In honor of the dearly departed, I declare July PB&J month - everyone raise a sandwich to the memory of Ben!
by wjb1492 on Oct 19, 2009 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Are you serious?
Because injuries are always 100% the player’s fault.
by Stacey_Is_King on Oct 19, 2009 6:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Uh, guys
That was sarcasm.
Things could be worse. We could have kept Boylan.
by stupidgenius on Oct 19, 2009 8:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yea im not going to get overly concerned about this
vinny did this with gordon’s injuries in the preseason last year and after his initial thabo flirtation, he ended up giving gordon more starts and playing time than skiles and [name redacted] ever did. for all of vinny’s downfalls last year, one thing he did get was that gordon needed to play and play a lot, so i highly doubt tyrus’ future with the team or contract considerations will effect his playing time.
http://ExtendtheGame.blogspot.com
by Calogero on Oct 19, 2009 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Calogero
For a good part of last year there was only 8 or 9 players and Gordon was the best scorer so playing him wasn’t such a difficult decision to make. However there is no reason at all that Taj should start unless Vinny’s trying to motivate Tyrus or Vinny’s trying to infuriate and diminsh his role, bottom line!
by Mr Rhythm on Oct 19, 2009 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Me too
Taj has been playing well and he’s still adapting to the NBA game. Maybe Vinny wants to use these games to see what Taj’s capable of and give him confidence, since he already knows what Tyrus can give to the team.
Pargo = Larry Hughes 2.0
by bull83 on Oct 19, 2009 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
tyrus can give the bench a nice warm ass print
by sin on Oct 20, 2009 4:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
James Johnson can do that better
Tyrus really isn’t large enough to get the type of ‘perspiration control’ Vinny’s looking for.
I support the Tornado Release [See: Joakim Noah]
by Prevenge on Oct 20, 2009 10:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Juiceboxberry, according to most of the Bulls writers Taj and Tyrus are neck and neck
by Mr Rhythm on Oct 19, 2009 5:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mr. Rhythm, I beleive that I know more about the Bulls than most "Bulls writers".
"That's a spicy meatball-a!" - Vinny Del Negro
by Juiceboxjerry on Oct 20, 2009 1:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Typical. 5 things pop to mind
- They are really giving Tyrus Thomas the full Ben Gordon treatment.
- If someone is healthy enough to play they are healthy enough to start
- The Bulls need to get Tyrus and Noah playing well together. They need to share the floor as much as possible, especially in the preseason, since they are the Bulls two most talented (and young inside players).
- I guess Rose will be coming off the bench on Friday. And if he isn’t / doesn’t… why Tyrus?
- Vinny being Vinny. Don’t outsmart yourself. This is an idiot proof lineup. Don’t prove me wrong.
by Basketball Smurf on Oct 19, 2009 4:21 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
might as well get his 6 fouls out of the way
by darksmokepuncher on Oct 19, 2009 4:29 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
he needs to get that business under control.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
by MPG on Oct 19, 2009 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's not like it's unusual for a rookie.
At this point, I’d rather have him fouling because he’s trying to defend.
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by wjb1492 on Oct 19, 2009 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like your outlook.
And you’re right – he doesn’t foul because he’s out of position. He tends to foul because he’s playing hard, defending the rim, that kind of thing. If he can just get a little stronger and refine his game, he’ll be a great rotation player for years to come.
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by MPG on Oct 19, 2009 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Obviously if we had Ben Gordon this would not be an issue.
by RyPac13 on Oct 19, 2009 4:51 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
This is how Tyrus Thomas will score Ben Gordon's points
off the bench.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Oct 19, 2009 4:52 PM CDT reply actions 8 recs
Taj starting in the preseason isn't that crazy,
but if it happens even once in the regular season Vinny needs to be launched to the moon.
Metal sharpens metal.
And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan
by dakoose on Oct 19, 2009 4:52 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
May I propose the island of Saint Helena?
A pleasant sanctuary for all of the former Bull coaches. Crumbs can guard it.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Oct 19, 2009 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I say Mars.
"That pitch wasn’t down and in, that pitch was down and up." Tim McCarver
by wrigleyrocker12 on Oct 19, 2009 10:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The org has already given up on Tyrus
They no longer see him as any kind of “core” player, hence the speculation about him losing minutes to Taj Gibson. They’ll probably keep him around just because he’s got an expiring contract, but he’s not important enough to the organization anymore for them to care about developing him. I don’t necessarily know that that’s wrong, but I will point out that he did have great trade value at one point. I’m afraid this may end up being another instance of the Bulls losing an asset and getting nothing back in return.
by Big D on Oct 19, 2009 5:52 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Can you pinpoint when this happened
and provide some evidence for it? I’m not doubting you, but especially with the positive T2-related vibes coming out of the berto center this month, I’m just surprised. I still hold out a lot of hope for Tyrus, especially with good young players behind him, and I don’t think the organization feels all that different. If T2 broke out this year I could see them paying him and going hardcore after Wade. If he doesn’t, he doesn’t, and they’ve taken steps to cover their ass. But I don’t think that they’ve decided anything more than that.
And I think the starting Taj tonight means…nada.
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by MPG on Oct 19, 2009 6:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How about this summer . . .
When by all accounts, the team never even approached Tyrus to talk about an extension? If they really thought he was a part of their future, wouldn’t they have at least tried to see if they could sign him to a below-market contract? I’m not saying they should have done that because of the cap situation, but if they want to use his expiring contract for salary cap space they’ll need to renounce his rights in the offseason. The fact that they’ve kept him around instead of trying to resign him or trade him shows that they view him mainly as a contract at this point.
by Big D on Oct 19, 2009 7:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no point tying up 2010 money now
even if it is ‘below market’. If they weren’t going to do it for Gordon, why for Thomas?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Oct 20, 2009 9:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, I agree
I’m just saying it means he’s probably gone in the offseason, since they’ll need to renounce his rights for cap room.
by Big D on Oct 20, 2009 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you are all jumping the gun a bit here
If Tyrus is healthy and does not start the opening regular season game, I’ll jump ship on this team. It’s not gonna happen but I can understand the need for some news during this boring ass preseason.
by Option27 on Oct 19, 2009 6:25 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
McGraw
Was Thomas surprised he’s not starting?
"A little bit, but he’s the guy who makes decisions," Thomas said before the game, referring to coach Vinny Del Negro.
"I don’t even think it should be questionable, from what I’ve contributed to the team last season and what I did throughout camp. But like I said, he’s the guy making the decisions. Whatever decision he makes, I still have to go out and play."
Del Negro came out a few minutes later for his pregame news conference and made it sound as though Thomas will be starting on opening night against the Spurs.
"It’s just Tyrus missed a lot of time (four games)," Del Negro said. "We got in a little bit of a routine (with Gibson). I just want to stay with it right now. We have a lot of practice time before we play on Friday (against Washington), then a lot of practice time before opening night (on Oct. 29). Don’t read anything into that."
Remember, one of the reasons for success this season was because everyone was on the same page, great chemistry, hanging out at dinner, high-fiving, etc.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Oct 19, 2009 6:41 PM CDT reply actions 3 recs
Gotta maintain that routine so we can keep our string of pre-season wins going
There will be plenty of time to change that routine during the meaningless string of 82 non-exhibition games we’ll start playing in a couple weeks!
by Sports2 on Oct 19, 2009 8:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
By this reasoning, Rose should also be eased into the lineup off the bench
You know … so as not to break up the routine
by drew gooden's facial growth on Oct 19, 2009 9:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No reason at all Thomas shouldn't start
This is a excuse on Vinny’s part to not play Thomas. The power forward position is Taj’s to lose mark my words. Thomas role is already being diminished as I have said it would be, and even though Thomas will shine Vinny and his guys will make every excuse to not play Tyrus.
by Mr Rhythm on Oct 19, 2009 6:48 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Lol Vinny, now this post has some merit after details emerge.
So instead of just saying “Hey, Tyrus has been hurt, he’s going to come off the bench tonight, he’s played well and will probably start opening night” he says that Taj is starting because they’ve had a routine. Yet Tyrus will start opening night.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but opening night > all preseason games combined, so shouldn’t we disrupt a routine now to get Tyrus into the spot he will be opening night, rather than keep a preseason routine and break that closer towards opening night?
Am I missing something here? VDN even fails on basic explanations.
by RyPac13 on Oct 19, 2009 6:48 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
"VDN even fails on basic explanations."
“I’m Italian” doesn’t do it for you?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Oct 19, 2009 6:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rypac what you just did was expose Vinny as a liar
If you bench Tyrus in the preseason (which is when you build chemistry) why start him later when the chemistry with Taj is already established. Is Rose gonna be benched opening day because he missed so much time, and people wonder why Tyrus had a bad attitude with Vinny, he’s a deceitful lying prick!
by Mr Rhythm on Oct 19, 2009 6:51 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
You want audio?
Even the wackness of VDN tells everyone not to look into it
by Option27 on Oct 19, 2009 6:54 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
This is stupid
but it’s more of Vinny’s bringing people along slowly after being out, crap.
I’m going to ignore this, and save my explosion for when it happens in the regular season. Life’s too short to get mad at things that aren’t going to happen, like Taj starting on opening day.
by runningman on Oct 19, 2009 7:08 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I hate the VDN makes me root
against Gibson.
by JeffD on Oct 19, 2009 7:29 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Ok, Vinny may be dumb, but he’s not stupid.
Notice who was playing at the end of the game, at least Vinny got that one right for Tyrus.
Interesting “big” lineup in the game down 3 in the final seconds, lol.
by RyPac13 on Oct 19, 2009 9:55 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Au contrare. I don't think Vinny is dumb but he is definitely stupid from a coaching standpoint.
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by Tyrusmancrush on Oct 19, 2009 11:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Carry-over from Boston Series and Taj Thought
I wish McGraw, Sam, or KC ( John Jacksons too dumb for this one) could really tell Bulls fans what actually went down during the Boston series between Ty anf Vinny. I have heard speculation through sports radio so I have an idea but I want a beat reporter to tell us… unfortunalty if they tell us they ll lose either Vinny or some players…
Sam is the one to do it cause I think Bulls.com really doesnt care what he writes even if its negative…. and Sam wouldnt burn sources over this cause his sources are real old and trust him.
Who should start… Tyrus…. but I actually like what Vinny is doing. He is using an expendable starter like Tyrus to show Defense “may” matter this year. Tyrus is never in right position( he leaves his man way too much to block shots) and Taj is really smart at rotating. Vinny cant make an example out of Derrick cause Derrick is hurt/President of Bulls so he is using Tyrus to show team…. that maybe he is going to demand defense.
Is Vinny smart enough to stress defense? – Probably not, but if I am reading this situation right I think he is trying it was the Taj / Ty thing.
by Jscho316 on Oct 20, 2009 12:01 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Why can't he just say
“I want you to spend as much time on defense as Taj does, Tyrus.” Instead of this confusing object lesson played out in the public arena where a benching seems more of an insult than anything else.
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by cranscape on Oct 20, 2009 8:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He could do exactly what Skiles did,
get on Tyrus for not running the floor and busting his ass on defense. It bothers me to no end that Tyrus still jogs, and sometimes walks, down the floor, instead of trying to beat his man to the other end.
Metal sharpens metal.
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by dakoose on Oct 20, 2009 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Has he really done that this preseason yet?
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by cranscape on Oct 20, 2009 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I saw him dogging it several times
in the game against Orlando. Someone needs to light a fire under his ass; sadly, the only fire strong enough to get him going might be a change of scenery.
Metal sharpens metal.
And this guy right here understands and knows what leadership is all about: The coach, the hall of famer......... Dick Butka! George Ryan
by dakoose on Oct 20, 2009 8:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
major fail
"I think it’s safe to say Noah and Rose are the future."
by Belize on Oct 20, 2009 6:10 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I have NEVER seen Vinny speak to Tyrus
There’ve been occasional pats on the back when he walks to the bench but as far as telling Tyrus anything constructive, I never seen it! As a mater of fact in the old days when coaches called timeouts, the coach would sit the guys down and they’d go over plays or certain points, why the heck do the Bulls coaches huddle together first then briefly say something to the guys? It’s backwords!
by Mr Rhythm on Oct 20, 2009 2:43 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Several other teams coaches huddle
together before they talk to the team. Skiles did it here and still does it.
Recipe for Disaster;
C'mon Cubs, hurry up and blow this so I can relax.
by Bluekoolaide on July22, 2009 3:08 PM CDT
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