Bulls scrubs hold off Timberwolves starters in preseason win
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Oct 15, 2009 8:51 AM CDT
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Even quicker recap this time, as I'm getting pretty tired of these Rose-less (and to a lesser extent, Tyrus-less) preseason games.
Bulls shot 65% in the first quarter and was effective clogging the lane on defense. Jumping out to an early lead, it was never lost even when the Bulls had a lineup of Hunter/Pargo/Byars/Johnson/Richard and the Wolves had several starters back on the court. Richard did have his best preseason game, but it's far too late to secure his spot on the team. Byars looked alright, but that may just be a numbers game keeping him off the roster.
Lazy bullets time:
- Hinrich was 2-3 from three, continuing a great trend this preseason.
- Deng shot his jumper better (even a three-pointer in there), but still had a couple plays were he didn't look right, being blocked from behind on a dunk attempt by Kevin Love was one of them. Deng also dislocated his pinky in the game, though it is reportedly not serious.
- Noah is awesome, and getting more assertive on offense by the game. Though I can see how he's easy to hate, what with his outright screaming when teammates scored. The especially empty Target Center made the annoying habit even more audible. But hey, if he's this good, who cares? The Celtics are all woofing idiots.
- Someone for James Johnson to emulate: Ryan Gomes? He's sort of that 'power three' game Johnson can have, and in one of the first plays of the game Gomes sprinted baseline to get post position and hit a turnaround over Deng.
- Stacy King finally took the 'group effort scoring!' mantra too far, when mentioning Lindsey Hunter as one of those options as a 3-point shooter.
- Al Jefferson looked awful until Chris Richard was guarding him. I don't think it's crazy to evaluate Jefferson against Joakim, and be willing to sacrifice Jefferson's low-post game if one can do everything else, like Noah can.
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I know it's just the preseason, but...
I’m straight-up pumped about Noah-Kim-Joa this year. He looks like he’s ready to be a long-shot contender for and All Star spot. Pushing it, I know, but damn!
"This is not Vietnam, Smokey, there are rules here." - Walter Sobchak
by Rose Colored Goggles on Oct 15, 2009 10:12 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
i dont know
the more i watch, the less i think that thought is pushing it….i just want him to dominate some stud center already, give shaq a (basketball) facial a couple times in the same game, but more importantly i keep thinking about noah and rose running plays and i get all giddy…tyrus better be paying attention…
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Oct 15, 2009 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anyone that watched?
How did Ramon Sessions get to the line for 10 FTA?
He only made 5, but I’m wondering how he got there. He was also 4-4 from the field.
Who was guarding Sessions and what type of sets were the Wolves running for him? High screens?
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Oct 15, 2009 10:32 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Flynn started both halves
so I’ll blame Lindsey Hunter. Especially if Sessions was doing damage in the fourth, that was garbage time.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Oct 15, 2009 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ughh
the refs were also pretty bad…vinny sat pretty much quietly on the bench the whole time, but that new coach for the wolves, he was just chewing out some of the refs. By the fourth quarter the timberwolves were just attacking, it was sloppy as all hell, but they kept getting the calls…it was pissing me off. Salmons had a problem with one of the refs, i think at one point salmons went for a reverse layup and the guy pushed his arm in the drive. Salmons didnt get the call, and complained to the ref about it, the ref ignored him. THe next time salmons drove the lane again (opposite side) and had a nasty reverse slam to throw in all their faces…
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Oct 15, 2009 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm also trying to temper my enthusiasm about Joakim
but failing miserably. Just the other day I was wondering how much better Joakim would have to be than Shaq to get on the all star team.
My best guess is that he’d need 10 more points and 5 more rebounds to get more votes.
I was box score watching and noticed that Jefferson was 1-7 from the field when Joakim was in the game in the first quarter.
by runningman on Oct 15, 2009 10:34 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
anyone notice in the fourth
like with five minutes left, the wolves were up and they showed the bulls bench bench talking, and first kirk says something to pete meyers laughing, and then noah comes out of nowhere and i try to lip read and the way i read it was noah saying “put me back in man, i can kill those guys” basically like he wanted to go back in to shut the crowd up and get the win single handidly…cuz he felt he could, Meyers just laughed and said no…ultimately i thought if noah had checked in, thats exactly what wouldve happened…
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Oct 15, 2009 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yes I did see that.
I saw Kirk laughing and Joakim talking to Pete and wondered what was going on.
Recipe for Disaster;
C'mon Cubs, hurry up and blow this so I can relax.
by Bluekoolaide on July22, 2009 3:08 PM CDT
by sue369 on Oct 15, 2009 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
2nd stringers aren't picked by fan voting
doesn’t make gettng in over shaq any more difficult, just saying.
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
by tyger1147 on Oct 15, 2009 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shaq can always get hurt. That is probably our best chance this year.
(evil)
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by cranscape on Oct 15, 2009 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Very good point
Though I think that even the coaches like Shaq enough to put him in unless Noah in incontrovertibly better.
by runningman on Oct 15, 2009 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
they put him in last year
over al jefferson, who was the one who deserved it. it was kinda a joke.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
by Jaina on Oct 15, 2009 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Big Al was injured though.
But yes, Al Jefferson SHOULD be the starting center for the all-star game this season. Joakim (no offense) shouldn’t be even close to getting to the ASG this season. It’s possible that he might make it later though.
by KGMN on Oct 15, 2009 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he got injured right before the ASG
the nominations would have come in before he got hurt.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
by Jaina on Oct 15, 2009 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Declaring who belongs there
before the season even starts is part of the problem with the all star game. Why not let the player’s performance during the first half speak for itself?
by runningman on Oct 15, 2009 6:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I completely agree.
I mean, seriously, some people voted for Gilbert Arenas…
by KGMN on Oct 15, 2009 8:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
same thing happened
when vince had been injured half the season. he was still voted in. and since he was healthy by the time the asg rolled around, he actually played in it. it’s a joke. they should have some game minimum you have to play in to actually play or something.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
by Jaina on Oct 15, 2009 9:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol yeah that was years ago
but i remember it clearly cause that’s when i realized the asg voting was dumb.
but seriously, voting for gilbert arenas last year was ridiculous…
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
by Jaina on Oct 16, 2009 8:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is it possible to offer Lindsey Hunter an assistant coach position?
…….and Pargo…..and Aaron Gray?
I've got this thing and it's fucking golden!
by SoulEater7 on Oct 15, 2009 10:47 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Can't we just unload him?
He might be a nice guy, but what makes him a coach? We will eventually have to have at least one real coach on the bench. I hope.
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by cranscape on Oct 15, 2009 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
it only matters now because Rose is hurt
if Rose is hurt this season, we’re boned regardless.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Oct 15, 2009 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
hahaha
boned regardless!
I've got this thing and it's fucking golden!
by SoulEater7 on Oct 15, 2009 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love the emotions
that Joakim shows during the game.
Recipe for Disaster;
C'mon Cubs, hurry up and blow this so I can relax.
by Bluekoolaide on July22, 2009 3:08 PM CDT
by sue369 on Oct 15, 2009 10:51 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Joakim ...
I’m not gonns hide my enthusiasm for him…
He’s singlehandedly made this preseason fun to watch. I know as well at how easy it would be to hate him, but hey .. He’s one of those guys that you would just love to have, and the Bulls have him.
I always thought that the signing of Ben Wallace was not as bad as some might believe only because of what Joakim has seemed to learn from him in that time. You can tell he’s using every possible athletic ability he’s got to his advantage. I’m not going to say he’s defensively gonna be Wallace-esque in his prime or anything but he’s shown flashes of it often. Especially with his rebounding tactics.
On the other hand, I’m starting to believe Brad Miller might be starting to rub off on him as well. The offense in my opinion, will most likely never be a strong suit for him. But with Joakim, I knew his rare ability for his length would give opposing teams problems in the rebounding and defense areas of the game. I just never wanted opposing defenses to disrespect his offensive game to the point where we were playing 4 on 5 a la Big Ben days. Brad may have shown Noah how to work within your abilities.
Yeah, the hook looks ugly. Yeah, he looks shaky in the post. And yeah, his shooting form is not even worth mentioning but if you can deliver a possible 10 ppg threat daily, who cares. Same reason I don’t care how slow Miller looks when he scores.
Basically, give me 4/5 of Ben Wallace and about 1/2 of Brad Miller, and I can’t help but be giddy.
by Option27 on Oct 15, 2009 11:06 AM CDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Mostly agree
though I don’t like giving too much credit for Noah’s success to Ben or Brad. Noah’s shown throughout his basketball career that he wants to win badly and is willing to put in the work. Look at how he got embarrassed by his free throw shooting last year, and managed to significantly improve his percentage mid-season. Someone else may give him tips, but he’s got internal motivation.
I definitely think that hook shot will be good enough in a year or two, that no one will ever leave Noah alone. Combined with his offensive rebounding you have to keep a body on him at all times. Your point about 5 on 4 is spot on.
by runningman on Oct 15, 2009 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah but i can't help but think those repeated practices against the two has something to do with it
But you are right about his will and inner motivation to win. He wants it so bad and it shows.
My main point is I think of Joakim as a sponge that takes a bit of everything you surround him with.
With that being said, can we hire Hakeem as a big man coach?
by Option27 on Oct 15, 2009 11:42 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Since they let Ben Gordon go, the Bulls really need Deng or Thomas to step up.
While having two relatively young pieces is awesome (Noah will be 25 in February, so he’s no Spring chicken), having a 3rd player that is as good as either of those… that is 23 or 24, is about as good as it gets for most re-building teams. If they strike out on a superduperstar, even with Rose and Noah, they’ll never be more than a 50-win team as Miller, Hinrich and Salmons age/leave. If one of Deng or Thomas (or both, perhaps) step up, the difference is just huge, in my opinion.
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
by tyger1147 on Oct 15, 2009 11:36 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Did anyone think
that it would be Noah that replaced Gordon as a go-to scorer? Really? What happens to this team if he can put up 15 & 10 every night?
by Cannoli on Oct 15, 2009 12:10 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
We will be much better than anticipated
"This is not Vietnam, Smokey, there are rules here." - Walter Sobchak
by Rose Colored Goggles on Oct 15, 2009 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
That's not a "go-to scorer"
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
by tyger1147 on Oct 15, 2009 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Apparently
I need to lighten up on the irony.
by Cannoli on Oct 15, 2009 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sarcasm...
….but yeah. I don’t tend to expect that out of people here much.
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
by tyger1147 on Oct 15, 2009 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We have to lead the NBA in defense
if we can’t score.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Oct 15, 2009 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I still can't believe we're paying Pargo 2 million dollars
Another awful night from him last night; I think I’d seriously prefer Byars over him in the rotation— and hopefully neither one sees anymore than 5-10 minutes a night. If Pargo is used as anything other than hail mary “Pargo time” I’m going to go nuts.
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by Calogero on Oct 15, 2009 12:48 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
at least pargo can bring the ball up
if only to shoot it.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Oct 15, 2009 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
tell you the truth i wouldnt mind him in a
ronnie price in utah like role. come in for 4 minutes at the end of the 1st/early 2nd, and the smae thing in the 3rd/4th, run around like crazy, jack up some 3s, and hope a couple go in. then, no matter how well he’s playing, he comes out at the 10 minute mark of the 2nd and 4th; 8 mins a night tops. however, we all know vinny doesn’t have the disclipline for that and would end up riding pargos hot hand right down to the bitter end.
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by Calogero on Oct 15, 2009 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
C'mon, he's one of the best back-up PG's in the league.
People should remember that while they have the right to their opinion, they are not entitled to be taken seriously. --Bruce Bartlett
by tyger1147 on Oct 15, 2009 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's not a "go to scorer"
oh, you were joking.
by Cannoli on Oct 15, 2009 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Man is anyone getting worried about these refs?
I mean at first I thought this might be a good thing to get some new blood in there but the more I watch the more I think I miss the old dudes. I thought the first preseason game was called pretty decently but now I’m kinda getting frustrated with the amount of whistles. Maybe it’s just me.
I've got this thing and it's fucking golden!
by SoulEater7 on Oct 15, 2009 1:00 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It will probably get better
when more real players are on the floor during the regular season instead of these scrubs. Even with the old refs those types of players and rookies get called on fouls a lot. A lot of the calls I saw seemed legit. Have your foot in the circle its a charge. They have to call that. Experienced players will adjust. Hey, it isn’t like they hired Vinny to be a ref. While these guys don’t have NBA experience they have ref’d games before. I’ve seen crazier stuff.
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by cranscape on Oct 15, 2009 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There's definitely an increase in calls.
I don’t think there’s any way that JJ gets called for travelling 6 times with the other refs. Replacement refs call a tighter game, but the problem is that there’s violations on every play, and more experienced refs have better judgement about when to just “let the kids play”.
by runningman on Oct 15, 2009 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't want refs to judge
just call the game.
Next, better, step would be forbidding players to talk to them. Alright, maybe the captains.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Oct 15, 2009 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You really think the game would be watchable
if refs called every travel, moving screen, and touch foul that happened? You say you don’t want them to judge, but I have a hard time believing you’d accept the results of that. Even the replacement refs use their judgement on when a foul actually affected the play, it’s just that their judgement is worse than the regulars.
by runningman on Oct 15, 2009 6:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
JJ needs to stop traveling then.
He is a rookie and all of our rookies got those calls against them with the prior refs too. If Rose suddenly get those calls or Kirk or Salmons I’d be more concerned.
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by cranscape on Oct 15, 2009 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
exactly!
The replacement refs are just too involved in the game. They don’t know when to step aside and let the game breath. The pace is totally different from the way the call were before. I guess I’ll just have to get used to it. Obviously you can call a foul every time down the floor but they need to let some go.
I've got this thing and it's fucking golden!
by SoulEater7 on Oct 15, 2009 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
nah, don't really care
I’d rather the refs suck equally than have their current ‘relationship’ with the players. Maybe change them every year.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Oct 15, 2009 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Who here is now optimistic about Chris Richard?
Do you think that the Bulls would keep him? Because if they don’t, I would really like if the Wolves got him back.
by KGMN on Oct 15, 2009 2:19 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The Bulls are almost certain not to keep him
The Wolves should look into it though, with Al Jefferson continuing to get hurt.
"This is not Vietnam, Smokey, there are rules here." - Walter Sobchak
by Rose Colored Goggles on Oct 15, 2009 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He'll get cut by the Bulls
Pick him up if you like. I’d work on the guys you already have though.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Oct 15, 2009 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Richard shows some toughness and has size
but he lacks athleticism and skill. Not a good combination. He’d have a much better shot of sticking in the NBA if he could hit a jumper. He is a D-League lifer too me, despite his good game last night.
by Basketball Smurf on Oct 15, 2009 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it looks like the captain has three arms in that picture
Kind of a shame the Rockies aren't around to win it for Balloon Boy
-billyok
by blackoutsox on Oct 15, 2009 8:43 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Jefferson is just coming off a serious knee injury
He was awesome last year before he got hurt, so I’m not sure last night was a reflection of his true abilities.
by Big D on Oct 15, 2009 8:59 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
You guys better get use to not seeing Derrick Rose
He may let prove to be as valuable to the Bulls as Jay Williams was with possible injuries
Soccer is for people to small and wussy for real football
Yankees and Red Sox ...buying your way into playoffs every year
by angryandy on Oct 21, 2009 9:20 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
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