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More to the point:
Beno Udrih!
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
by MPG on
Jan 6, 2009 10:32 PM CST
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The site's new byline
“Brad Miller Brad Miller Brad Miller.”
You might attest to this cause you were there, but Mikki Moore is quite possibly the loudest scrub I’ve seen this year. He needs to be a Celtic the way he whined after every call, the mic picked up his shit talking the whole game.
Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
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by Ozzie Montana on
Jan 6, 2009 10:37 PM CST
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Think how we feel having to watch him for a full 82?
(Well, those that watch this team for the full 82. I’m not one of them.)
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
by pookeyguru on
Jan 7, 2009 9:39 AM CST
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Did Aaron Gray start?
And then get banished to the bench for the remainder of the game?
Larry Hughes should be Marburried. Period.
by smash! on
Jan 6, 2009 10:38 PM CST
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Actually, Vinny wanted Gray back in the game,
but time expired as Gray was moving from the bench to the scorer’s table. ;)
by Granny Waiters on
Jan 7, 2009 12:13 AM CST
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He was playing with a sore
back so that might be why he didn’t return.
by sue369 on
Jan 7, 2009 10:08 AM CST
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Could be. It could also be because he was F-ing terrible.
Definitely one of those two.
De gustibus non est disputandum
by Sports2 on
Jan 7, 2009 11:07 AM CST
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how bout 36 mins for tyrus!
step 2: vinny learning that it is ok to play both tyrus and noah for more than half the game
by Calogero on
Jan 6, 2009 10:43 PM CST
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Except...
He forgot about Noah.
" I've looked at these numbers and decided the #1 problem
is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger
by Dionysus2.0 on
Jan 6, 2009 10:45 PM CST
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Reading comprehension is a good thing.
Noah was rebounding a lot tonight. The BlogaBullers will be happy that Aaron Gray was glued to the pine for most of the evening.
" I've looked at these numbers and decided the #1 problem
is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger
by Dionysus2.0 on
Jan 6, 2009 10:49 PM CST
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I certainly was
Noah fumbled the ball a bunch and Tyrus missed a bit too many gimmees, but I’d rather watch that than ‘consistency’ from Gray.
This was a pretty cruddy win though, thus the Brad Miller recap :)
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Jan 6, 2009 11:13 PM CST
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I still think if we are excited about the prospect of Brad Miller.
Then there is little to be excited about…
I know, big man who is a good passer who can hit an open jumper…he lumbers like a less slow Aaron Gray…and he doesn’t play in the post…ever. I guess he kinda plays defense. And he works for the alleged 2010 plan.
His contract is an upgrade if we can get rid of one our bad post 2010 contracts, otherwise, there is no point to adding Brad Miller to this team.
" I've looked at these numbers and decided the #1 problem
is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger
by Dionysus2.0 on
Jan 6, 2009 11:27 PM CST
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how dare you.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Jan 6, 2009 11:35 PM CST
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yea but i think when teams double rose
hes a better option to hit shots than gooden or noch will be. gooden can hit jumpers, but with the consistency that miller has.
Chicago... Where giving up career nights happens
by Yibs on
Jan 7, 2009 6:52 AM CST
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He's only
better because of the passing…..he’s too damn slow and is not the answer.
Nocioni and Drew are actually overall better offensive players these days, but yesteday, ee gads, Nocioni missing 9 wide open shots, and after he missed 5 or 6 wide open shots I don’t understand why he shot the last 4-5 to be frank……he should have tried to drive or just facilitated.
A very frusrating game.
Miller’s too slow. He’s a much better than Gray will ever be Aaron Gray so I’d much rather see him in those minutes. But I don’t think he’s an upgrade over Drew. I mean I’m at the point where I’d love to see Aaron be shelved for the rest of the year…..he’s just not an NBA player in any capacity. He tries hard, is ok for 10-12 minutes, but shouldn’t start and really only should play 10-12 minutes if he’s backing up someone as good as Dwight Howard, which we ain’t got.
Aaron Gray’s the new Duhon for this team, except Duh’s a billion times better….I guess Nocioni too is the new Duhon, and Nocioni’s playing one awful season…..but has been better in the past, so I still have hope.
by majoyenrac on
Jan 7, 2009 7:57 AM CST
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If you don't understand why Noc kept shooting
then you don’t understand Noc.
by JeffD on
Jan 7, 2009 9:08 AM CST
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I mean I get it
They were open shots and he does typically hit them…
I guess I don’t get why VDN kept the clanker out there more than I don’t get why Noc didn’t stop shooting those shots….
by majoyenrac on
Jan 7, 2009 10:01 AM CST
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Noc will never stop shooting. Ever.
And he has hypnotized everybody in the organization. (and most of the media as well)
by JeffD on
Jan 7, 2009 4:01 PM CST
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YOU GUYS!
Miller used to play for us!
We traded him. And like all big guys, it tsakes some time and coaching to learn the game.
And to compare his game to Noc’s or Duhon or Gooden is , well, stupid.
Gray is a center.
Given enough time he will give the Bulls great defence and inside out options.
In fact, he played 5 minutes!
was i for 1.
The ONLY time they went inside, it worked, then the guards became jump shooters and it was all over.
by ppellico on
Jan 7, 2009 10:02 AM CST
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you're missing the point...
Miller wouldn’t be playing in place of gooden, but rather alongside him. you allow gooden to play his more natural position, the 4, and in the process you have at least a respectable starting frontcourt with NBA talent and NBA size
by Danny Satan on
Jan 7, 2009 1:03 PM CST
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the comment above was in response to majoyenrac's 5:57AM post by the way
in case it’s unclear
by Danny Satan on
Jan 7, 2009 1:04 PM CST
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You're missing my point too
We’re respectible, but Gooden and Miller take more time from Tyrus, which is a big no no, and Miller isn’t really the answer either, so he just fills a gap that keeps us more consistent in a .500 mold.
by majoyenrac on
Jan 7, 2009 1:11 PM CST
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nah, he'd be replacing Gooden in most scenarios
wake up America, Drew Gooden’s no good.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Jan 7, 2009 1:16 PM CST
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If Drew Gooden is no good,
then Brad Miller is no good.
by CJ Bulls on
Jan 7, 2009 1:19 PM CST
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He's not bad.
Gooden. He can hit a 15 footer he always has energy. Active. But very ugly.
by ImmanuelKant on
Jan 7, 2009 1:21 PM CST
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And Gooden
These days is better than Miller because Drew can have more good games and is never really completely insanely awful.
Miller is more consistent, but doesn’t have the legs for the highs of yesteryear…..and is too lumberingly slow for a team that wants and should run with Rose at the helm…even if he’s a great passer (and wow is he).
Not the former Bull Brad Miller anymore, or the much better alls tar version. He’d be a nice off the bench guy to replace a really good PF/C, but he’s not a starter for a winner unless that winner has a Garnett/Dirk/Amare, etc thanks to Miller’s passing skills.
He’s just too slow to jive with Rose….and his strengths won’t be heightened enough to offset his slowness.
by majoyenrac on
Jan 7, 2009 1:28 PM CST
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I hope Chris Kaman's ample foot problems
mean he’s getting a transplant, achieving the need for this somehow uber-fast-yet-large center.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Jan 7, 2009 1:33 PM CST
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I don't recall
ever being a Kaman supporter…..
He’d be better given the age perhaps….
I want the versatiles: Kirilenko-who I think we can have an upper hand to rid some bad contracts for because he’s overpaid, especially for his role (less overpaid though still overpaid for his talents), and the need of the Jazz to resign Millsap….I don’t think Boozer’s injury will make him opt out after all, or the offensive juggernauts (Boozer) or the expiring this year if it doesn’t work out yay (Marion)…
But yeah Kaman’s age, maybe that helps….
by majoyenrac on
Jan 7, 2009 4:03 PM CST
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Kirlenko at center?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Jan 7, 2009 4:09 PM CST
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well as we saw the other night...
the Bulls are a much improved team when they can at least get some sort of production from their big men. i think miller and gooden would compliment each other nicely to tell you the truth; i mean think about it, right now between Noah and Gray we have two guys combining for almost 35 minutes per game who constantly need to be within 7 feet of the hoop. well with gooden and miller, we’d have 2 guys who are both dangerous to score from as far as 17 feet. imagine how that would space the floor for Rose and Gordon.
and i don’t care how slow miller is because the Bulls’ transition offense doesn’t require him to even cross halfcourt. seriously, when was the last time they pushed the ball and hit the big man trailing?
by Danny Satan on
Jan 8, 2009 11:47 AM CST
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Gooden can hit a 15 footer
yet he chooses to shoot from 22
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Jan 7, 2009 1:34 PM CST
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"Gooden for 3!"
"You remember the first time you picked up a basketball video game and you had no idea how to run plays, so you just gave the ball to your shooter and you ran around the court aimlessly until a defender was far enough away and then you jacked up a shot? THAT IS LARRY HUGHES!"
-Anonymous fan letter, heylarryhughespleasestoptakingsomanybadshots.com
by Prevenge on
Jan 7, 2009 10:20 PM CST
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Brad Miller knows he's no good
Drew Gooden thinks he’s awesome.
I was using hyperbole with Gooden. He’s obviously competent. I think Miller is a much much much better fit. much better.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Jan 7, 2009 1:32 PM CST
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I think you might be still remembering Brad of a few years ago.
he would help, but not if he replaced Gooden. I guess he’s a better center, but I think Drew’s a better player. I don’t think the tradeoff is worth it.
by CJ Bulls on
Jan 7, 2009 1:37 PM CST
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worth what?
including Thabo? sure it is. He’s a better defensive Center (not saying much), much smarter player on offense. He can play pick and pop better than Gooden.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Jan 7, 2009 1:49 PM CST
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he's having a better year statistically too
And I think Gooden’s the type to get major negative marks for all things unmeasured. He’s a space cadet. Miller regulates his brain with weed. Science.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Jan 7, 2009 1:51 PM CST
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actually why am I repeating myself?
Brad Miller is my White Whale.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Jan 7, 2009 1:59 PM CST
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Yes yes, but ask the Kings about their opinion
of Brad, all he does is camp out for jump shots. He doesn’t trying to go inside anymore, doesn’t play hard, and doesn’t try on defense.
Oh wait he’ll fit in great here!
by CJ Bulls on
Jan 7, 2009 2:18 PM CST
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You're right Gooden is spacey at times,
and I hate how he never passes out of the post, but overall he is the better player.
Miller is more efficient, but that’s mainly because he’s incapable of creating his own offense. I think we have enough of those types of players. (creating offense i mean, we need more efficiency )
by CJ Bulls on
Jan 7, 2009 2:20 PM CST
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um what?
I think we need more guys who don’t ‘create’ offense. I’d rather have the efficiency. Let Rose and Gordon do all the creating.
Gooden’s not a post scorer either, though he attempts to be. You only get credit for trying if you’re Noc. forget playing hard, play well.
I agree that Miller plays more listless in a hopeless situation. Maybe he’ll see a better chance here (it’s the East and all).
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Jan 7, 2009 2:29 PM CST
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We have no bigs who create
we have one offensive rebounder, one who can alley-oop, and one who can take up space. I’ll take the one player you can throw it into and he can put some points together. Or at least have a hope of scoring in a pick and roll.
I don’t mind Miller, just don’t think subbing him for Gooden helps. Now, if you can pull off a Hughes/Miller deal I’ll be all for it.
by CJ Bulls on
Jan 7, 2009 3:00 PM CST
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I'd take that guy too...he's not Drew Gooden
and I don’t get how you think Miller can’t score on a pick/roll. Sorry if it’s too efficient and not enough create-y
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Jan 7, 2009 3:01 PM CST
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I didn't say Miller couldn't
but no one else on this team can. Although thinking about it he’s too slow to move inside on any other team but the Bulls D.
by CJ Bulls on
Jan 7, 2009 3:11 PM CST
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meh
Gooden’s gone after the season anyway. And there’s only so many minutes (though you come from a different, more retarded, perspective on Thomas, which comes into play)
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Jan 7, 2009 3:13 PM CST
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Problem is
The Bulls with Rose, Gordon, Deng, and hopefully Thomas and someday Noah need to stay fast, run and gun, that’s the talent we have and Gooden’s a least more equipped in this matter than Miller…..
Miller’s not bad, but not great either and really won’t help us unless we get him maybe just maybe for Hughes and find a way to rid the Nocioni contract (I like Noc, but with Deng locked, he’s to $$), and then and only then Miller helps when he expires by giving us future cap room locked into Noc currently….
by majoyenrac on
Jan 7, 2009 4:08 PM CST
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Well I don't know
I think if Noah tried, he’d get a lot of credit….as that’s his style of play and if he tried to bring the energy he’d do more than the stat sheet shows…and incidentally Noah surprisingly looks better on the stat sheet than he does in the games right now because he drifts along some games…
by majoyenrac on
Jan 7, 2009 4:05 PM CST
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but his last name is soo convincing
Chicago... Where giving up career nights happens
by Yibs on
Jan 7, 2009 2:03 PM CST
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It was reported on
tv Monday night that the Bulls are not interested in Miller.
by sue369 on
Jan 7, 2009 10:11 AM CST
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Right call if you ask me
Unless we got Miller and a stud like Martin to rid the Noc and (Ben Wallace ahem Hughes) mistake….
Miller’s too slow. I like his hustle, love his passing, but I don’t think he’s our answer in our hopes for a transition offense game.
by majoyenrac on
Jan 7, 2009 10:14 AM CST
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His age was one of the
reasons why they aren’t interested.
by sue369 on
Jan 7, 2009 10:34 AM CST
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Tell that to Matt
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
by pookeyguru on
Jan 7, 2009 10:41 AM CST
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Multitasking is hard when his hair follicles are like Dr. Octopus' tentacles
They control his mind. “Shampooooooooooo, lather rinse repeattttt muwahahahaa.”
Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
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by Ozzie Montana on
Jan 6, 2009 10:50 PM CST
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Yeah
He did forget about Noah.
Kevin Martin’s offense looked pretty good, but you can just see a big reason why the Kings are bad. Martin doesn’t switch one bit on defense (or at least didn’t at all yesterday) and he left Tyrus after Moore switched at least 3 times, he left Tyrus at the FT line and just stood around like “he’s not my man”, even though his regular man was being guarded by Moore down by the baseline….
Granted Martin hit a lot of big shots….and was coming off 2 straight GREAT performances that I didn’t see, but the lack of D yesterday at least was surprising.
by majoyenrac on
Jan 7, 2009 7:52 AM CST
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He's said in the past he wanted to improve his defense
But as far as I can tell, that hasn’t happened. Of course, I don’t think he’s right quite yet after the ankle bruise he had (don’t believe that crap about the ankle sprain—which he had also).
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
by pookeyguru on
Jan 7, 2009 9:43 AM CST
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Yeah
He’s likely saying that for all star buzzz…..but the effort on D was totally lacking, and that’s not jiving with his words.
Still he’s a nice player.
by majoyenrac on
Jan 7, 2009 10:02 AM CST
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If he didn't have an ankle sprain,
he probably does now, after he took a shot and then Larry Hughes inadvertently put his foot right where Miller was landing.
"You remember the first time you picked up a basketball video game and you had no idea how to run plays, so you just gave the ball to your shooter and you ran around the court aimlessly until a defender was far enough away and then you jacked up a shot? THAT IS LARRY HUGHES!"
-Anonymous fan letter, heylarryhughespleasestoptakingsomanybadshots.com
by Prevenge on
Jan 7, 2009 10:23 PM CST
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The fallaway jump shot
after his missed free throw attempt rebounded by Miller was a pretty boneheaded shot. Yes, he was open. No he doesn’t take a shot from that position of the floor very often.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on
Jan 7, 2009 10:07 AM CST
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way to switch back to bulls coverage after the hockey game, comcast!
NOT….
Suit up the MJ Statue! It should be able to give us the interior defense we've been lacking! Get on it Pax!
by chibullsfan03 on
Jan 6, 2009 10:50 PM CST
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woooh free throw record...
How many people knew Huges was going to blow it?
by silentpete on
Jan 6, 2009 10:52 PM CST
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Me!
"You remember the first time you picked up a basketball video game and you had no idea how to run plays, so you just gave the ball to your shooter and you ran around the court aimlessly until a defender was far enough away and then you jacked up a shot? THAT IS LARRY HUGHES!"
-Anonymous fan letter, heylarryhughespleasestoptakingsomanybadshots.com
by Prevenge on
Jan 7, 2009 1:33 AM CST
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That's a bunch of bs
Sure Hughes missed a FT, but he’s shooting 83% for the year.
This Hughes hate here is a bit much. His $$ are bad, but he’s really not playing poorly this season when given the chance to play. His jack em up ways have been far less often than they were in the past. I see a very quick guard, who’s still very athletic (and showing that at times) who can do a lot of little things, and when geared in can play D….
I know he’s complained about his role, but I mean what other athlete who is good enough to get significant minutes in this league would not complain about their role being relegated to 15 minutes on a game when the team can’t do anything offensively and Thabo is struggling……
Hughes makes about twice as much as he would ideally, but he’s still solid enough for at minimum the MLE. He’s not as awful as folks think at all…..he’s just not Ben Gordon or Derrick Rose or hopefully if the 2006-2007 Kirk returns not last season’s Kirk Hinrich, and unforutnately too he makes well more than any of them….
by majoyenrac on
Jan 7, 2009 8:02 AM CST
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Nice try Larry Hughes' mom...
Suit up the MJ Statue! It should be able to give us the interior defense we've been lacking! Get on it Pax!
by chibullsfan03 on
Jan 7, 2009 8:48 AM CST
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Seriously though
He’s not a fit on our team, not there for long term because we have so many guards and his age….but he’s really SERIOUSLY not nearly as bad as his rep on these boards…..not by a long shot.
by majoyenrac on
Jan 7, 2009 8:52 AM CST
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He's been playing better than his rep,
but he maintains his rep because of the omnipresent danger of him reverting to the same guy he was during his whole tenure in Cleveland. Except for his one good (contract) year in Washington, he’s never been consistently good. I think the (a) threat of him losing playing time and (b) possibility that he gets traded to a team where he could get more playing time and status have prodded him to be more disciplined than he normally would be. If he’s still on this team after the trade deadline, when it’s looking very likely the Bulls are out of the playoff hunt (I fully expect Philly and Toronto to play better in the second half, meaning they’d probably leap frog the Bulls; if nobody in the current top 8 falls off . . .), welcome back to Bad Larry. I hope I’m wrong, but what evidence do we have that he’ll keep this up?
by arjoseph on
Jan 7, 2009 9:47 AM CST
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Yeah
But in Cleveland he too was being asked to be merely a shooter for LBJ’s kick outs……so that gave him a bad offense to teach a non shooter a shooter’s game.
He’s been better than we expected post the trade, especially this year buying into the offense.
Rose is such a nice facilitator (when he wants to be) that I think it’ll keep Hughes on the straight an narrow especially with another contract year coming up and the big expriign contract next season.
Regardless, I’d rather have Hughes straight up for Ben Wallace, and I really never quite saw the Ben Wallace hate here until the last week or two of his tenure, despite the fact he gave up for the entire year last year.
by majoyenrac on
Jan 7, 2009 10:05 AM CST
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The offense is just as much of a blackhole
when the ball arrives at Larry Hughes as when it arrived at Ben Wallace.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on
Jan 7, 2009 10:09 AM CST
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Totally disagree
He’s shooting 3% higher (Still taking too many jump shots, yes), but he’s also hitting nearly 83% of his FT’s, compared to 42% and him getting a less consistent (big minutes one night, no minutes the next) gives in to streakier behavior, so Hughes numbers are less helped by that that Wallace who had a consistent role of crap on this team.
Take the goggles off.
Look, I’m not a Larry lover, would I rather see him off this team? Yes I would because we have better guards and sig needs…..but do I want a fire sale of him to rid him for complete crap this seasons? hell No. I think we can get something in a real sale next year, with teams eying the Lebron/Wade/James cap cutting prizes….
Do It hink the Hughes hate is a bit much and not consistent with his play? Yes…..it is. He’s not a great player, but he’s not nearly the worst player on this club or the biggest offender (Nocioni I’d argue is better because he has been better in the past, but right now Noc is far inferior to Hughes…hell even Luol’s been less consistent than Hughes when he plays and Luol when he plays always gets a consisnte role—-but I’m not about to say Luol’s worse).
by majoyenrac on
Jan 7, 2009 10:23 AM CST
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The benefits of Wallace
Hughes isn’t a very good ball defender anymore. He’s even worse off the ball. Wallace at least could guard people, give us another possesion, and challenge shots. Neither player can really finish around the rim, but Wallace could dunk. Larry needs a breakaway to come close to dunking.
The only real benefit in moving Wallace was to clear minutes for Thomas and Noah to see what in the hell we have with the two of them. Hughes complaining about minutes or thinking he was going to be “the man” upon arrival in Chicago was a disasterous beginning.
The trade is a wash to me.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on
Jan 7, 2009 10:27 AM CST
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A wash???
We get rid of complete dead weight in Wallace, and get a very solid and valuable player (Gooden) and a useful, albeit overpaid player (LH)?
If that’s a wash, I’d like to see more of them…
by badnewsintennisshoes on
Jan 7, 2009 12:39 PM CST
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There were also contract considerations.
We broke up Wallace’s contract into smaller pieces, some of which expired that year. That opened the possibility of signing Deng and Gordon at the same time. With Wallace on the roster, the offers to both of those guys would have had to be lower, or we never would have been close to signing both.
by arjoseph on
Jan 7, 2009 2:55 PM CST
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bollocks
The Chairman could spend as much money as he wanted to extend Deng and Gordon.
Why are you giving him luxury tax outs?
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on
Jan 7, 2009 3:17 PM CST
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I went to my first Bulls game of the season tonight
One of the positive side effects of the Bulls sucking is that scalpers are looking to dump tickets at bargain basement prices. I was able to score 2 club level seats for just $25 a piece at the last minute.
Attendance IS starting to take a hit. The announced attendance tonight was 18,000, but there were a lot fewer people than that actually there. Some of the sections in the 300-level behind the baskets were almost completely empty. Unless the Bulls make some dramatic turnaround, I imagine attendance will continue to decline. Obviously most of the tickets for this season have already been sold, but they may really start to feel a sting in the offseason as season ticket holders decide not to renew.
Other than that, there’s not really much to say that everyone doesn’t already know. The Bulls suck and deserved to lose tonight, Derrick Rose is awesome, and Larry Hughes is a selfish piece of shit.
Why resort to name calling?
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because I wish to insult you personally
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by Big D on
Jan 6, 2009 11:01 PM CST
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It is a tuesday night though.
People have to work.
by ImmanuelKant on
Jan 6, 2009 11:06 PM CST
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and it was snowing
but it’s much easier to say ‘fuck it, I’m not going’ when the Bulls are this bad.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Jan 6, 2009 11:14 PM CST
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Snow shuts down Chicago too?
You people are used to it. I’m ashamed of every single last one of you all.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
by pookeyguru on
Jan 7, 2009 9:45 AM CST
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The city doesn't shut down.
People just become more selective with their time. Commutes take longer, it’s sloppy all over the place, etc. Many people don’t want to deal with it.
by arjoseph on
Jan 7, 2009 9:49 AM CST
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Yeah
Chicago gets relatively shut down with the snow because the public transportation in this city (especially burbs to city) is godawful….even in the city, there are sig gaps where it’s busses only….that’s fine for a city like Milwaukee with 700,000 people, but unacceptible in the 3rd biggest city in the US.
by majoyenrac on
Jan 7, 2009 10:06 AM CST
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Happens that way in Seattle too
As I recently experienced.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
by pookeyguru on
Jan 7, 2009 10:16 AM CST
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It's all because of Reinsdorf's stupid ass.
After the Bulls got the first pick everyone was buzzin’ about the Bulls, then he started to get scared that he might actually have to spend money on a coach and everything turned. People got sick of all their bullshit right after the Doug Collins fiasco. Then, once they hired the idiot with the great hair, people were officially turned off. Add all that with the worst marketing campaign in the history of the city and a malaise caused by the general manager’s lack of doing a damn thing and the result is, less than spectacular crowds.
by Juiceboxjerry on
Jan 6, 2009 11:15 PM CST
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I tried to sell my 2 tickets in the 100 level for half of face value and had no takers. One guy offered me $40 for a $240 pair of tickets. I ended up just giving them away to a friend.
by Stay Chisel on
Jan 7, 2009 6:38 AM CST
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Its still a tax deduction.
Isn’t that why most people bought season tickets?
" I've looked at these numbers and decided the #1 problem
is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger
by Dionysus2.0 on
Jan 7, 2009 7:24 AM CST
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nope
It’s only a tax deduction if you own a business and you can lie and say you’re using it to entertain potential clients. There will be far fewer season ticket holders next year if they don’t start spending money and trying to win.
by 72-10 on
Jan 7, 2009 10:12 AM CST
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note to self
stop using tickets as a write off on blogging income.
(when I actually get blogging income)
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Jan 7, 2009 10:40 AM CST
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Much as we disagree at times
You do host quite a great site here and should be compensated. You’re far more knowledgeable of the NBA game than say stupid Marc Stein.
Thank you,
Now back to disagreeing about Noc, Brad Miller, Larry Hughes :).
by majoyenrac on
Jan 7, 2009 11:03 AM CST
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Yea, but Stein
could know nothing about basketball and still have good sources.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on
Jan 7, 2009 11:43 AM CST
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Yeah
But he still writes crap, aside from those sources…..
by majoyenrac on
Jan 7, 2009 12:54 PM CST
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That seems like a legit write-off to me.
Entertaining clients isn’t the only way to claim a business expense. In this case your attendence at the game is an expense but it’s directly informing you of all sorts of things germane to making money in your business.
De gustibus non est disputandum
by Sports2 on
Jan 7, 2009 11:10 AM CST
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I was intentionally vague on what I actually do
but I agree with you :-D
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Jan 7, 2009 11:25 AM CST
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Even if you do, ya need to keep a log of what clients you took to what games...
in case you get audited. Not worth it.
And yes, you betcha tickets sales will be down this coming off-season and I’ll be contributing to their shrinkage.
by smash! on
Jan 7, 2009 11:29 AM CST
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You could invite John Paxson to a game on your dime :D
De gustibus non est disputandum
by Sports2 on
Jan 7, 2009 1:33 PM CST
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Good
This is great news. I hope the fans send the Chairman a message in the only language he seems understand, money.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on
Jan 7, 2009 8:38 AM CST
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how does the box score say tyrus had 0 blocks?
i don’t understand.
by Jaina on
Jan 6, 2009 11:03 PM CST
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Um...
Because he didn’t block any shots.
" I've looked at these numbers and decided the #1 problem
is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger
by Dionysus2.0 on
Jan 6, 2009 11:10 PM CST
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he blocked the one from Hawes in the 2nd qtr
they never gave him credit for it
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by tyrus4prez on
Jan 6, 2009 11:12 PM CST
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I thought it was him too
but the replay showed it was Noah who got to it first, Tyrus was just higher so it looked more like him.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Jan 6, 2009 11:14 PM CST
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i thought there was another one too
but could be misremembering.
by Jaina on
Jan 7, 2009 7:37 AM CST
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4th quarter?
Tyrus blocked Salmons, but Gooden got called for a blocking foul for being in the restricted circle.
I wanted that block badly because it was essentially a block and a pass right to a breaking Derrick Rose.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on
Jan 7, 2009 8:39 AM CST
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Yeah, I said the same thing last night.
I think there was another one where he got it but another Bull got called for the foul so it negated it. Similar to what NBA Observer wrote but the one I was thinking of was in the first half for sure.
by smash! on
Jan 7, 2009 11:31 AM CST
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That block the other night on Rodney Carney
was one of the most wicked blocks I’ve seen. It was like a crosscheck in Hockey, but he was going for the ball and got all of it.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on
Jan 7, 2009 11:45 AM CST
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So are you saying
you want the Bulls to trade for Miller?
by ImmanuelKant on
Jan 6, 2009 11:07 PM CST
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I wanna say it was nice not to see Aaron Gray at all
at the end of the game. How refreshing!
by ImmanuelKant on
Jan 6, 2009 11:10 PM CST
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Now if only we can get rid of the Nocioni, Hughes problem
by gobulls1124 on
Jan 6, 2009 11:16 PM CST
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Kant?!
I knew Kant and your no Kant!
Seriously.
Again, please give your Kant like philosophical reasoning as to why you don’t like Gray?
He is the most productive inside man we have.
He is the only guy yanked after an error.
Slow?
Please, if every player got yanked for a palying flaw, this team would have one player on the floor…Rose.
Gooden, can’t stop anybody big.
Noah, flopper and can’t reboiund or stop anybody driving.
Hughes theStop me before I shoot again! guard.
Luol…plays a week, hurts for 2.
The list goes on and on.
This coach just can’t find a way to stop the jump shooters and play inside out BBall.
by ppellico on
Jan 7, 2009 10:08 AM CST
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Hughes:'know' :: Gray:'ppellico'
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Jan 7, 2009 10:42 AM CST
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"He is the only guy yanked after an error."
Speaks for itself.
"You remember the first time you picked up a basketball video game and you had no idea how to run plays, so you just gave the ball to your shooter and you ran around the court aimlessly until a defender was far enough away and then you jacked up a shot? THAT IS LARRY HUGHES!"
-Anonymous fan letter, heylarryhughespleasestoptakingsomanybadshots.com
by Prevenge on
Jan 7, 2009 10:26 PM CST
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Have to mention one Vinny thing
what the hell was he doing to start the 4th (and the 2nd) when he had both Rose and Gordon out of the game. That should very rarely happen.
As he can see the lead slipping and the team having no clue on offense, he brings Rose/Gordon to the scorers table, yet to save a time out waits for a stoppage…after another 6 points or so are taken out of the lead.
Then they come in the game…and the next possession Vinny takes a timeout anyway. What the fuck.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Jan 6, 2009 11:16 PM CST
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it's almost like he's never coached before
wait…
by Calogero on
Jan 6, 2009 11:17 PM CST
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I even saw him conferring with Bernie
I’m guessing the debate over whether to use the timeout or wait. It seemed like Bernie explained it and then motioned as if to say ‘so make a choice’. Vinny chose to wait (or chose not to decide, which Geddy Lee says is a choice)
(granted, I sit very far away, but that’s my version of that interaction, heh.)
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Jan 6, 2009 11:19 PM CST
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Geddy Lee is right!
De gustibus non est disputandum
by Sports2 on
Jan 6, 2009 11:27 PM CST
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Yeah, I noticed that too.
To say that Vinny has no idea what he’s doing is simply stating the obvious right now. He really left Rose and Gordon on the bench for a long time, and I was wondering if Rose actually got hurt or something. I kept wondering when the hell he was going back in.
Finally, after the Kings had cut into the 12 point lead considerably, I heard cheering, and that was when I saw Rose and Gordon going to the scorers table. But it is puzzling—I just want to shake Vinny and ask him what the hell he was thinking.
Linsey, by the way, really looks like he’s on his last legs. He had some plays where he just looked old and bad out there today.
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by bullhockey on
Jan 7, 2009 12:52 AM CST
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when you go to games...
you’ll notice that after most time outs he doesn’t even talk to the players for about 30 seconds. He confers with the other coaches. Then maybe he’ll talk to the players for about 10 seconds…. next game you go to watch him during the time outs, it’s ridiculous. BTW, It is rare to see any of the other teams coaches do this.
by 72-10 on
Jan 7, 2009 10:22 AM CST
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Skiles did this
and I’ve been watching other teams on LP and quite a few coaches do this also.
by sue369 on
Jan 7, 2009 10:26 AM CST
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point taken...
I forgot Skiles did this, but you’re right. Thing is, you’ll rarely see Riley, Jackson, Pop or any of the other top coaches do this… and they almost never seem to do it at the end of a game.
by 72-10 on
Jan 7, 2009 10:32 AM CST
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You really don't need to cite specific examples anymore, you could've just said "Vinny sucks" and people would've agreed.
by Juiceboxjerry on
Jan 6, 2009 11:18 PM CST
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That was absolutely killing me...
and that’s the sole reason it became a close game.
Other than that, he was doing a decent job. (Of course I came a few min late and fortunately missed Gray starting.) And I really liked the lineup of Rose, BG, Thabo, TT & Gooden that got some good minutes. More of that please.
by smash! on
Jan 7, 2009 11:35 AM CST
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yeah, it was a dumb move
but the sole reason it was a close game was the fact the bulls managed to shoot under 39%. they were actually dominating the kings pretty well in other categories if they had just managed to shoot the damn ball. we killed on 2nd chance points so at least we made up for the fact we were shooting so bad.
by Jaina on
Jan 7, 2009 11:37 AM CST
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of course
part of that was nocioni’s lovely 1-11 performance. :D
by Jaina on
Jan 7, 2009 11:37 AM CST
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That was terrible and really frusterating bc...
he usually knows to stop shooting when he’s not hot. I always thought of him as a smart player in that if he comes in and shoots a few blanks, he’ll put his head down and take it to the hoop. He didn’t do that much at all last night. And you can’t really blame a shooter for turning down wide open looks, but you can blame a coach for playing him. Small props to VDN for at least not playing him in the very end.
I did notice, at least from my seat, that Noc didn’t complain once last night. Anyone else catch that or did I miss one?
by smash! on
Jan 7, 2009 11:41 AM CST
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Yeah
But to be fair, he does typically hit many of those wide open shots.
The issue wasn’t exactly with Noc, who defended well and got himself open….it was that Vinny should ahve seen after the 6th or 7th shot was a brick clank, that Noc was hurting more htan he was helping tonight, and coughed it up to an off night….before letting Noc miss the next 4 shots and allow the Kings back in the game.
Don’t fault the player, they’re supposed to keep shooting out of a slump and Noc does typically hit the wide opens, only maybe 1 wasn’t the best shot, the rest were good shots in the flow of the offense, but the coach should control the game better, and VDN failed in that regard miserably.
by majoyenrac on
Jan 7, 2009 12:57 PM CST
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Drive baby!
We had great spacing and the passing made the Kings looked lost. All we needed was some dribble penetration to pull the bigs off the baseline.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on
Jan 7, 2009 11:46 AM CST
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Did it look like we threw in a new offensive set last night?
by smash! on
Jan 7, 2009 11:47 AM CST
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It did
When Tyrus did that awesome pass to Rose at least. That was just an awesome play, Tyrus grabbed the board and did that very quick dump pass to DR.
I think we added a few plays, where Tyrus started out at the top of the key and then ran without the ball to the baseline, causing some switching issues and leaving shooters like Ben or Hughes open at the corner 3pt land…..
When the Kings tried to stay on their guard/man in this play later in the game, Tyrus was doing his thing inside…..if we consistently get that Tyrus we’d be good….honestly (and if _rew (no D) _ooden (not that Good) could have one of his every 4-5 nice defensive games more consistently instead of his poor D games, we’d be really good.
by majoyenrac on
Jan 7, 2009 1:00 PM CST
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Did anyone catch Paxson on Comcast?
I was at a bar and there wasn’t any volume. Plus I was talking to a hot chick.
Anyways I heard the talked about a trade once Hinrich comes back. Like something will go down.
by ImmanuelKant on
Jan 6, 2009 11:31 PM CST
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He says they are talking.
And there is a lot talking…and until someone says they are interested, thats all it is, a bunch of talking…but the good news, the Bulls are talking to other teams.
" I've looked at these numbers and decided the #1 problem
is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger
by Dionysus2.0 on
Jan 6, 2009 11:41 PM CST
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talking?
I think I understand now.
by ImmanuelKant on
Jan 6, 2009 11:43 PM CST
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Unti he makes a move
His talking and our constant bitchfests carry the same weight. Does that make us more important, or him more useless?
Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
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by Ozzie Montana on
Jan 6, 2009 11:46 PM CST
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Gooden saved us tonight with his 4th quarter aggressiveness.
I still want him traded, along with Noce, Hughes and if we can get a legitimate center they can include Noah in the mix. I was happy to see TT get 36 minutes tonight and although he missed some shots at the rim, at least he got there. So may I just say to all you Tyrus naysayers:
THE TYRUS THOMAS ERA NEEDS TO BEGIN.
If you can't answer a man's arguments, all is not lost. You can still call him vile names.
Elbert Hubbard
by Tyrusmancrush on
Jan 6, 2009 11:54 PM CST
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Don't get me wrong
When I say that the Hughes hate is a bit much (it is a bit much) he’s too $$ for his role on our team with the other guards and lack of a consistent post player (Gooden’s the most consistent sadly, though nice to see Tyrus look great yesterday—even if it didn’t show up exactly in the box score)….
But all the hate for Hughes is a bit much. The hate for Nocioni I can totally understand given his crap play this year, and yesterday’s fiasco…..but the hate on Hughes because of the situation is much…..he’s not Ben Wallacing this team and even says he doesn’t want/need to be the Ben Gordon SG role, he just wants time to do what he can to help the team and on the bench isn’t that time….and frankly when he’s played for the most part, he’s done a better job than I would have expected…..
But there will be issues once we get our 4th capable guard starter back in Hinrich, well-deserved, fan favorite Hinrich who was and seems to be (And better be) better than the “un-legend”……
by majoyenrac on
Jan 7, 2009 8:10 AM CST
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you really want to take up this cause?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Jan 7, 2009 9:34 AM CST
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I just don't understand all
the complete hate with lack of real support for it. Larry Hughes has talked twice about wanting time on the court, a tough pill for a team with talented young guards, but when given the time on the court Larry definately has proven a worthy player this season….
He too is an expiring deal who’s value will increase next year if he’s given the time and consistently plays the way he’s shown he can play this season with Rose and VDN’s system…
THe all out hate for Hughes isn’t quite warranted.
I get he’s not in our long term plans, but personally I’d rather play Larry, watch him do well, not great, and increase his value for next year’s trade. He’s not a bad 5th starter to 6th man in this league….he’s no Ben Gordon or Manu Ginobili or Andrei Kirilenko 6th man, but he’s not a bad player at all.
He hasn’t been the Cleveland version of Larry this year (sans preseason)……he was still in Cleveland mode last year trying to prove he can be more than he was and trying too hard. I haven’t seen that consistently this year.
Guys are on him for his want of more PT, but given the prodcution and the losses the team has faced when he hasn’t played in lieu of Thabo (and Thabo having some very inconsistent nights) I don’t get it.
Personally I’d rather see Thabo in the shadows and us playing Hughes first, as given the climate next year and Hughes’ more consistent play, he’ll be a more valuable trade bait than Thabo….and if anything the Bulls can keep Thabo and sign him to a $2-3M deal….as I do think someday after again seeing a game like yesterday that Thabo has a future in this league, but unfortunately we only get that Thabo 1 of every 5-6 games he gets sig burn.
by majoyenrac on
Jan 7, 2009 10:13 AM CST
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there's more to Hughes off-court issues than what gets said to the media
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Jan 7, 2009 10:42 AM CST
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Once I hear it
I’ll believe it I guess. I want to think it’s overhyped because King often says he’s never really been a problem off the court….
Though I know it’s odd that a good player like him gets dumped for teh garbage/worse contract that is Ben Wallace…..yet still that was too because Hughes did not mesh at all with James, and all Wallace has to do is rebound and defend for 15-20 MPG….
I think it’s interesting though to hear that the Wizards wouldn’t be against having him back (in early reports before Haywood went down)…..that’s removing some of my what was budding anti-Hughes bias too, that and I guess the fact that he’s played well and mostly team ball when given consistent minutes of course…..
I do get the fact that he’ll bitch more when his role is cut….but perhaps he shoudl play more in lieu of Noc until Hughes is traded this offseason or by Dec of next year….to a cap cutting team.
by majoyenrac on
Jan 7, 2009 11:06 AM CST
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I will say that Hughes has generally performed better than Thabo.
De gustibus non est disputandum
by Sports2 on
Jan 7, 2009 11:12 AM CST
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And
We can rest Thabo, resign him for $2-3M/yr and have a nice Hughes replacement when the big Hughes dump happens by next year’s deadline.
by majoyenrac on
Jan 7, 2009 11:14 AM CST
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So defense and passing clearly isn't included in your assessment?
by smash! on
Jan 7, 2009 11:44 AM CST
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Thabo
Hasn’t exactly been a lights out defender. He’s had a game here or there where he’s looked good, but he’s had more than enough games where his D was awful.
Thabo’s all about inconsistency….unfortunately. Thankfully though he has upside because of the natural D skills, and doesn’t have a bit enough rep in the league to complain about PT…..so I say let him rest while we work up the still better Hughes for trade bait…..and then after Hughes is traded, voila we see a more mature in his skills Thabo….
Or just rest Thabo for a while when we work Kirk back in, and if Thabo continually does a lot in practice, then he can take some Hughes minutes and if he figures it out on the floor in games, he can replace LH entirely….
But he’s nowhere near consistent enough.
by majoyenrac on
Jan 7, 2009 1:02 PM CST
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I prefer Thabo to Hughes.
I haven’t seen Hughes play better than Thabo in any game I’ve watched this year.
[That said, the Hughes hate is a bit much – he’s been generally playing his role this year. I believe I apologized for it before. But … that doesn’t mean I’m going to stop. You know how there are players you like? The opposite of that. Also, he kills the offense so badly. …]
"You remember the first time you picked up a basketball video game and you had no idea how to run plays, so you just gave the ball to your shooter and you ran around the court aimlessly until a defender was far enough away and then you jacked up a shot? THAT IS LARRY HUGHES!"
-Anonymous fan letter, heylarryhughespleasestoptakingsomanybadshots.com
by Prevenge on
Jan 7, 2009 10:30 PM CST
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I eventually will
prefer Thabo to Hughes because Thabo does consistently try on D, whereas Hughes has the ability but loses the focus and like you say he can also have “kill the offense” moments, whereas Thabo generally doesn’t look to force shots—and that’s especially good because he can’t hit them :).
But while Hughes is here, given Thabo’s current shortcomings, I say we feature Hughes….as his contract expiring next year and his ability, could and should make him a nice to have for a close to contender team needing a last minute spark, or his $12.4M off the books could be an even better for a team who wants to get the superstar for the fans.
by majoyenrac on
Jan 8, 2009 11:38 AM CST
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I'd only be speculating...
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on
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Does it seem Paxson hides alot?
I saw the Paxson comments before the game and understood going in that he wasn’t going to say anything. It made me think that compared to Angelo, Williams, and Hendry; Paxson is the least available to the media. I haven’t heard him call into one of the sports radio stations or come to the set of CTLive for about a month. I understand GMs are busy, but when your team has been awful for the last month the fans need some assurence that you still trust the coach or more players are coming.
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Jan 7, 2009 9:59 AM CST
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Yeah
But he hasn’t always been less available, last here I think he allowed too much to leak by being available and the team is still suffering from those aftershocks….so he’s being far more conservative with his time in the public eye.
I imagine if we work something out this deadline or next year with Hughes, Pax’ll be seen quite a bit more….the team’s a mess though with too many guards, the team’s too young, with fragile ego’s all over, and Pax doesn’t want to feed more distractions from a team that with Noah, THomas and the un-legend’s mini PT complaints already seem to find enough distractions on their own.
by majoyenrac on
Jan 7, 2009 10:26 AM CST
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least available?
or nobody really cares?
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Jan 7, 2009 10:43 AM CST
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random comment,
is that jj redick on your profile pic?
by smash! on
Jan 7, 2009 11:48 AM CST
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Ya mugshot from DIU circa 2007
My pic was that or M J grinding with girls from Vandy in Cancun last spring break
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Jan 7, 2009 11:52 PM CST
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Weird day
Celtics and Lakers both lose but the Bulls win
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Jan 7, 2009 12:01 AM CST
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I was going to reply with "well we DID play the kings"
but… the celtics lost to the bobcats.
so there goes that.
Suit up the MJ Statue! It should be able to give us the interior defense we've been lacking! Get on it Pax!
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Jan 7, 2009 12:07 AM CST
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Well LA did lose to the Hornets
I guess some teams figured out that Rajon Rondo is a terrible shooter and for some reason it’s being talked about like they discovered a new energy source. You know something’s funky when Mike D’Antoni is being credited with creating the “blueprint” to stop Boston.
Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
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Jan 7, 2009 12:09 AM CST
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Hey, if there's one thing you think of when you hear the name D'Antoni, it's defence.
"You remember the first time you picked up a basketball video game and you had no idea how to run plays, so you just gave the ball to your shooter and you ran around the court aimlessly until a defender was far enough away and then you jacked up a shot? THAT IS LARRY HUGHES!"
-Anonymous fan letter, heylarryhughespleasestoptakingsomanybadshots.com
by Prevenge on
Jan 7, 2009 1:35 AM CST
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Well he
did create the blueprint to slow Derrick Rose down….and that blueprint of attacking Derrick with taller guards and switches and pick and roles, slowed Derrick down considerably for several weeks until thankfully we played the defenseless at the guard spots Hawks, so Rose did what he could against the guards and was too quick for their cleanup SF-PF-C’s to handle.
How about Francisco Garcia’s full court man to man Derrick Rose defense. I haven’t seen ANYONE in the league be able to do that as consistently as Garcia did…..wasn’t he the Louisville shooter? His D was nice…. (I’ve watched Garcia for quite a bit in college and actually am rather surprised he hasn’t made a bit more of a name for himself as a pro, because he was really good in college—even if he left as a jr when he was like 25 or something)….
by majoyenrac on
Jan 7, 2009 8:13 AM CST
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He did the same thing in Phoenix
with Marion on Tony Parker for stretches. And I’m not sure if he’s the first coach to put an athletic forward on a speedy guard. I can’t think of any examples, but I’d be surprised. It’s a saavy move regardless of whether he invented it, I guess.
by arjoseph on
Jan 7, 2009 9:56 AM CST
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Yeah
But he was the guy to set the blueprint for Rose, and voila teams followed suit. I wasn’t saying it was exactly the most original, but he was the guy to give the blueprint for the new young rook who was viewed unguardable after his first month and a half in the league….
It also wasn’t just putting a bg guy on Rose or Rondo, it was also forcing the switches using the undersized speedies…..D’Antoni coached….and coached D and it worked, kudos to him.
by majoyenrac on
Jan 7, 2009 10:29 AM CST
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His teams have always been better on D than people gave him credit for.
Don’t get me wrong; I’m not saying he’s Scott Skiles. But a lot of people only look at points surrendered. At the pace he plays, he wants people to shoot more. And he has a defensive philosophy: pack it in, give them jump shots, don’t give up lay-ups, don’t foul. That was what they did in Phoenix. Playing that way leads to more rebounds in the flow of the game, and longer rebounds because of longer shots, and that fuels their fast break.
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Jan 7, 2009 2:51 PM CST
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Agree
But let’s not say D’Antoni is a defensive genius. He had awesome, athletic players, best equipped given their speed and offense to run the court, and he focused on that end. But he knows how to play players in spots folks don’t think to make them succeed….and had the benefit in Phx of also having the talent to make the D better than it would be from just his focus on them.
Still I agree, Phx wasn’t as laughible on D as their pts given up would indicate because of how quick they were with posessions. They didn’t emphasize D to the point of picking only defenders, liek the Paxson-Skiles era Bulls did, leading to the team we have now full of the old “D” guys now trying to play on a team featuring a couple O talents and having our best defender hurt….
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Jan 7, 2009 4:11 PM CST
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They suffered more because Amare doesn't care about defense
Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
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Jan 7, 2009 6:18 PM CST
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And Nash can't play any (too small)
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Eh, he's average
Certainly getting older doesn’t help his quickness, but at least he gave the effort, unlike Amare who has all the athleticism in the world but couldn’t remotely guard Tim Duncan.
Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
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by Ozzie Montana on
Jan 8, 2009 12:38 PM CST
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The Kings suck.
I went to the game as well tonight. Besides Martin and Miller, there isn’t one above average player on that team. Perhaps the same can be said about the Bulls now that I think about it.
And Kevin Martin is the most annoying player since Reggie Miller. Between the kicking out his legs on jumpshots, his Colby O’Donis haircut, and his Ginobili-esque flopping, he’s managed to combined everything I hate about basketball players into one 6’7" frame.
This was the worst Bulls game I’ve seen since we still owned the rights to Keith Booth.
by YaoPau on
Jan 7, 2009 12:36 AM CST
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who exactly did they get for mike bibby?
Chicago... Where giving up career nights happens
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Jan 7, 2009 6:56 AM CST
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2/16/2008
Anthony Johnson, Tyronn Lue, Shelden Williams, Lorenzen Wright, 2008 second round pick (#42-Sean Singletary)
" I've looked at these numbers and decided the #1 problem
is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger
by Dionysus2.0 on
Jan 7, 2009 7:26 AM CST
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And a ton of breathing room from the luxury tax
That essentially guaranteed them they wouldn’t be paying such tax this season.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
by pookeyguru on
Jan 7, 2009 9:53 AM CST
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dont think any of them played last night. im not sure if theyre all still on the team, much less the league
Chicago... Where giving up career nights happens
by Yibs on
Jan 7, 2009 2:06 PM CST
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i know lue's on the bucks now
singletary might be on the suns? i think we saw johnson recently on another team. wright was picked up by someone too… cavs or something. don’t know about williams.
by Jaina on
Jan 7, 2009 2:18 PM CST
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Shelden is on the Kings
AJ is backup Jameer Nelson in O-Town.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
by pookeyguru on
Jan 7, 2009 5:17 PM CST
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Lorenzen Wright is on the Cavs
And I’m not sure about Lue, but the Bucks I think is where he is as well.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
by pookeyguru on
Jan 7, 2009 5:18 PM CST
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Francisco Garcia ain't a bad player at all
And John Salmons looked decent at times.
The Kings are young, they have talent, need some changes/pieces, but they could be good if they were coached…..
I thought THeus did a decent job with them last year, and was rather surprised he was canned given the injuries this year, but then again I didn’t watch the team and allegedly Theus and Martin weren’t getting along and Martin was bringing the rest of the team with him…
by majoyenrac on
Jan 7, 2009 8:15 AM CST
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That's not what happened
Martin wasn’t even playing when Theus got canned.
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by pookeyguru on
Jan 7, 2009 9:52 AM CST
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I know he wasn't playing
But hoopshype had it all over the place that those two were at odds on the sidelines….and Martin is a leader for the upstart Kings.
by majoyenrac on
Jan 7, 2009 10:29 AM CST
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Hmmmm
I trust hoopshype like I trust my mother telling me she has AIDS. In otherwords, un huh sure. I’m a Kings fan, and have been off & on for nearly 20 years. The Kings have a pretty crappy locker room (the worst in over a decade—which is saying something after the Eric Musselman debacle) starting with Miller, Bobby Jackson and John Salmons, but to that end, Kevin Martin isn’t part of that group. He was probably the only player who thought Reggie Theus could coach on the Kings (especially if you judge him by a public statement he made backing Reggie—which didn’t happen).
Theus got fired because he was picked by the Maloof’s, and he wasn’t part of the future Geoff Petrie plans. The veterans (Miller, Jackson,Moore, Salmons) had all tuned him out, and again, he wasn’t part of the future plans. I look at the firing is mercy for Reggie. He definitely had failings as a coach, but nothing that wasn’t correctable, or couldn’t be fixed by having a different staff make-up and more franchise backing.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
by pookeyguru on
Jan 7, 2009 10:33 AM CST
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Also
They’ve picked it up some before Martin returned, and they’re definitely playing better with Speed back (even though he isn’t right quite yet).
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
by pookeyguru on
Jan 7, 2009 10:48 AM CST
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Hoopshype
Lists newspaper articles…..why would a lot of them publish Martin and Theus fueds this season and last when Theus was young, the team faired reasonably well when healthy last year and Martin was last year’s golden boy?
Sacramento isn’t a big market like CHicago that likes to create dramas….
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Jan 7, 2009 11:07 AM CST
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How do you know?
That’s like me saying Chicago is a dirty city cuz it got 3 million people.
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by pookeyguru on
Jan 7, 2009 5:18 PM CST
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I am just saying
the media machine won’t generate as many $$ in Sacramento as it will in Chicago, and Chicago like New York, and Philly has a high tendency for drama in the sports medias. It’s that culture, and follows that it’s also a bigger city.
Plus you can say Chi is a dirty city, it is. Tokyo though was very clean and is bigger than NYC….go figure.
by majoyenrac on
Jan 8, 2009 11:34 AM CST
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I wasn't saying Chicago was really a dirty say
I haven’t been there enough times to say that it is. (I think San Francisco is, and I’ve been there enough times to say that definitively.)
Just because there is less media in Sacramento, doesn’t mean there aren’t dramatic affairs. They may not always become a national sensation so that it gets picked up on ESPN, but there is always drama swirling around this team it seems like. Happens anywhere ego’s are involved.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
by pookeyguru on
Jan 9, 2009 4:29 AM CST
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Yeah I read stuff that talked about a feud between Kevin Martin and Reggie Theus
Back in April, and it wasn’t even that. It was more between Reggie and Sam Amick (The Kings beat writer for the Sac Bee), if even that.
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by pookeyguru on
Jan 7, 2009 5:20 PM CST
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“I trust hoopshype like I trust my mother telling me she has AIDS.”
Whaaa??
by smash! on
Jan 7, 2009 11:51 AM CST
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No kidding.
De gustibus non est disputandum
by Sports2 on
Jan 7, 2009 1:34 PM CST
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Basically
Hoopshype is not a site I generally trust for information. I know they release articles, but I read the bee, almost every day, and I catch up on what I don’t read in previous days, and I have yet to hear anything about a general grievance Martin had with Theus that stemmed from the start of this season. (Last season, well, there was stupid shit, but well, that was last season.)
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by pookeyguru on
Jan 7, 2009 5:22 PM CST
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From K.C. Johnson:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/basketball/bulls/chi-07-bulls-bits-chicagojan07,0,1762931.story
The crowd of 18,060 marked the lowest for a Bulls home game since 17,032 watched a victory over Golden State on Jan. 10, 2005
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by Big D on
Jan 7, 2009 12:40 AM CST
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Gotta let this slide
After losing 6 or 7 and with the worst three home games of the year coming up I don’t think anyone should look into the slumping attendence this week. If you had your choice to by a walk up ticket to the Wizards or Portland next week who you gonna take.
I’m heading to the Atlanta game on Jan 20 and if they don’t have 20,500 for the 4th best team in the conference then there might be a problem.
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Jan 7, 2009 10:04 AM CST
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I only got $50 for my pair of Orlando tickets on 12-31
Second row 300 level. Considering they’re one of the top 4 teams right now and Howard is a total stud, I was rather disappointed at how little I could get for those tix.
by 72-10 on
Jan 7, 2009 10:41 AM CST
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that was a day game
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Jan 7, 2009 10:44 AM CST
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Many people had the day off
And the weather was good… I’ve sold games like this before for face value with no problem in past years.
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Jan 7, 2009 10:52 AM CST
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Noah is a bum.
I’ve officially soured on him. He is never, ever, ever ready for the ball.
At least Ben Wallace would catch the damned thing. After that, it was mostly ugly, but he caught the ball.
Noah is too awkward and too bumbling to be any kind of effective. 4 more years of college, please.
"That was a great play by me."-Champ Bailey
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Jan 7, 2009 12:48 AM CST
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Yeah, I was at the game, too.
Even my wife, who is not even a fan of the NBA, was commenting on how clumsy Noah is.
I specifically remember one sequence where Noc kept shooting blanks from about 20 to 23 feet out (STOP SHOOTING, NOC!!!). After many of his bricks, Noah would get the offensive rebound with one man between him and the basket. But he kept passing it back out to the perimeter, as though he was the smallest guy on the court, and he was just happy that the ball fell in his hands, and would rather not attack the rim with a big man waiting to swat his shot. I kept thinking, “Take it back up, Noah!”
And then Noah got an offensive rebound and tried mightily to coordinate his unweildy limbs into something resembling a shot at the basket. But after he got the two-handed offensive rebound, he brought the ball down around his waist, the first no-no. Then he brought it back up while basically rolling the surface of the ball on the defensive player’s back. Like literally, he just brought the ball right into the numbers on the back of Mikki Moore’s jersey. Predictably, the ball rolled straight up into the air off of the defensive player’s jersey, as Noah contorted his face and flailed his arms. Then he had the presence of mind to pout and sigh and shrug at the official. Thank goodness for that.
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Jan 7, 2009 1:03 AM CST
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This is his primary weakness
Unless Noah is tapping the ball off the backboard for his consecutive rebounds and missed shot attempts, he is then getting the rebound and bringing the ball down to his waist. NBA centers don’t let the basketball have a conversation with their manadvisers in their jockstraps. Keep the ball above your head. You’re seven feet tall. You have a nine foot reach. You’re going to get hacked.
It would be nice to see Vinny haze Noah a little and make him walk around the Berto center with a weighted 6lb exercise ball to teach him to never bring that thing below his head.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on
Jan 7, 2009 8:45 AM CST
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He's too weak.
That’s his problem. Needs to really bulk up.
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Jan 7, 2009 8:52 AM CST
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Yup. Noah has girl arms. He isn’t that thick in his body either, so they just bump him in the post with their lower body (not a foul in the post ever), and he can’t do anything as a result of the bump because he’s too weak.
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Jan 7, 2009 9:28 AM CST
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Well, it's certainly one of his weaknesses.
What I can’t believe is how far he seems to have fallen after having such a good rookie campaign. No one expected him to be Tim Duncan; but at least he should have been something resembling coordinated.
Noah has a clear “nose for the ball” like all great rebounders. He’s agile and quick for a 7-footer. There clearly is a part of him that has a will to win.
But he has developed extremely poor habits; bringing the ball down around his waist was only one small part of this embarrassing sequence. To go up for a shot while getting rejected by the back of a jersey of a defender is where he should really be embarrassed. It’s the sign of a guy who’s so uncomfortable out there that he’s not really watching what he’s doing. It’s a sign that Noah has some mental blocks to overcome; if he can just take his time, assess the situation around him, then he won’t rush into the exactly wrong play. I wonder if he needs to do more in terms of his training / practicing to be more mentally in the game.
"It’d be ridiculous to hate someone for simply what they say in a sports blog. But I greatly dislike every syllable of your angst-filled, smarmy, nondescript, half-assed, elitist-garbage responses." –Rogerspark Kris
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Jan 7, 2009 10:04 AM CST
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Still
I’d rather see Noah for 48 minutes with his current bad habits than see any more Aaron Gray ont he Bulls floor.
I like that Gray tries, but let’s be done with it.
Noah’s more athletic, has more bball tendencies, can make the nice defensive plays, and has moves to at least put the ball in the hope (but is too damn weak).
Just play what we got for upside, rather than play Aaron cuz he tries hard even though he’s still not better than Noah on Noah off games.
by majoyenrac on
Jan 7, 2009 10:32 AM CST
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I don't get the Noah hate. He looks lost but performs.
He shoots a decent percentage, has a postive a/to ratio and is the #1 offensive rebound rate player in the NBA, #16 for all rebounds. If anyone should be getting more minutes…..
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Jan 7, 2009 1:29 PM CST
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on this, we agree
Sit at a Bulls game, Noah’s hated more from the casual (i’d have to assume) fan more than any Bull this side of Larry Hughes.
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Jan 7, 2009 1:35 PM CST
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There are shades of Noah criticism.
I agree that the casual fan sees him and wonders why he’s not more like whoever the best known superstar of the moment is. My wife might wonder why Noah’s not more like Shaquillo O’Neal (with no regard for the fact that Shaq is a 1 in a million elite specimen, etc.).
But my frustration with Noah is that he is so clearly talented well beyond his what his performance has shown this year. Last year he looked like a future Marcuus Camby, or a future ‘07-’08 Tyson Chandler. But now he looks like a future Travis Knight, Nikoloz Tskitishvili, etc. I know he’s better than any of this bullsh*t. But I suspect there’s more going on here than just a guy playing poorly. Thus the rampant speculation about his mental approach to the game, or whatever else might be plaguing him.
I, too, wish that Vinny would give him free reign, and allow him to make his mistakes, play through them, and improve to the same guy we saw flashes of last year. But starting with his weird off-season and his coming in apparently out of shape, it’s been a hugely disappointing ‘08-’09 campaign for him; he hasn’t really strengthened his case for more playing time, at least not that much.
As for Gray, I don’t mind him that much, because he seems to play his role. You can’t blame him for screwey rotations by the coaches that end up rewarding him with more PT than we would. He’s a career backup, and he goes in and does what he’s supposed to—to play like a backup. He’ll never be 6th man of the year or anything.
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Jan 7, 2009 1:45 PM CST
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I agree his maturity and strength need to improve,
but his numbers per minute are better than Tyson’s this year. I would like to see him get more minutes as the season wore on, provided he plays with the energy he seems to have shown the last few weeks.
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Jan 7, 2009 2:23 PM CST
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Casual fan
Also remembers the clown outfit and hears about the off the court issues (locker room fight last year, marijuana issue last year) and doesn’t see why he was so hyped in college until they watch him get consistent PT, whcih he doesn’t get because the Marshmallow gets it who any fan casual or not knows sucks at the NBA level.
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Jan 7, 2009 4:19 PM CST
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And I think
foxsports put him in the must be traded list.
I disagree. I still see a good starting caliber C for years to come. Problem is folks are and were transfixed on all that college player of the year might be #1 pick had he left after the first championship vibe.
Me? I lost some respect for him when he showed up this year out of shape….especially given the date with MJ he had last May or so….I would have thought he’d come in ready to play to make up for it…given how well he played down the stretch.
I certainly would rather see him playing a consistent 25-30 MPG over Aaron Gray, and think until we get a trade the PF/C spots should be split as follows:
Tyrus (28-33 MPG consistently even on bone-head nights, he’s still got that superstar potential and it’s glowing high right now)
Gooden (25 MPG). He can give us offense and can get some boards….though pull him quicker ont he “village idiot” days. He’s gone after this year anyway, but he does play hard.
Noah (25 MPG)
Nocioni 13 MPG at PF and 10 MPG at SF.
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Jan 7, 2009 4:17 PM CST
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Noah's OREBs
Don’t we have to mention how many of these OREBs are tapbacks to himself off the glass?
I guess they’re shots, but a lot of the time they are so bad they have to be tapping the ball off the glass to himself.
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by NBA Observer on
Jan 7, 2009 1:36 PM CST
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Then I guess Dennis Rodman is an average rebounder :o)
Yeah he does tap a lot, but that’s his game. It doesn’t change the fact he taps a lot back out, and it potentially generate more points. Tapping is a skill, one that he can probably still improve on.
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Jan 7, 2009 1:40 PM CST
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One thing he could improve
Is learning when to tap, and when he to just throw it down with two hands.
Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
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Jan 7, 2009 6:22 PM CST
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exactly
that and dennis had a lot more direction to his taps. half the time noah is just flailing around with them.
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Jan 7, 2009 6:54 PM CST
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you mean veteran, 36 year old dennis vs.
24 year old noah. give him some time
by CJ Bulls on
Jan 7, 2009 7:11 PM CST
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true, true
definitely a skill he can work on.
by Jaina on
Jan 7, 2009 7:14 PM CST
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yay. im happy
"If there’s any haters in here right now that don’t have nobody to hate on, feel free to hate on me." - A.P.N.S.
by Belize on
Jan 7, 2009 1:33 AM CST
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Do i want to know
how you came across this video???
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on
Jan 7, 2009 2:06 AM CST
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Noah Needs to Play
The other day he had 8 rebounds in 14 minutes. He’s the best rebounder we have and makes a giant impact in the game in that respect. It’s a travesty that Noah and Tyrus can’t get 30+ minutes per game on a team that is going nowhere this season.
by PGHcager on
Jan 7, 2009 6:44 AM CST
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get your facts right.
Gray blows his rear away for rebounds, shottoing average and assist per minutes played.
Noah cannot block out.
He can’t open a wall pick for his guards to shoot behind.
He doesn’t know his defensive spots.
Doesn’t do anything a BIG guy is supposed to do.
Man, this is getting sorry.
by ppellico on
Jan 7, 2009 10:14 AM CST
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"Gray blows his rear away"
heh
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Jan 7, 2009 10:45 AM CST
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Big guys:
supposed to move like they have bricks in their shoes
"You remember the first time you picked up a basketball video game and you had no idea how to run plays, so you just gave the ball to your shooter and you ran around the court aimlessly until a defender was far enough away and then you jacked up a shot? THAT IS LARRY HUGHES!"
-Anonymous fan letter, heylarryhughespleasestoptakingsomanybadshots.com
by Prevenge on
Jan 7, 2009 11:36 PM CST
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I was shocked this morning
when I watched SportsCenter’s Top Plays and saw:
1) Thomas cutting to the rim for an alley-oop dunk
2) Thabo in the game, making that pass
Both happened at the same time!
--Torch
by torch on
Jan 7, 2009 6:55 AM CST
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Thabo
Looked GREAT yesterday…..God I hope to keep seeing that Thabo as I’ve soured on him for a lack of consistently. He did throw up one of the worst shots of the game (worse than Noc’s bricks), but his D was there, and his passing and shooting were there. He looked like the Thabo I thought we’d see consistentlyt his year but haven’t…
by majoyenrac on
Jan 7, 2009 8:17 AM CST
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Yeah that was awesome
And some of the fouls called against him where ridiculous Martin flops.
If we see that Thabo and not the shaky can’t shoot, can’t pass, forgets to defend though he has all the skills for at least the last 2, and seems to have skills to shoot but gets nervous still…..if we see that Thabo consistently, let’s just bench or banish Larry Hughes….
I don’t hate Larry like everyone else here….but I know he’s not in our lt plans, but he’s not really a bad player, just a completely redundant player on a team that has better athlete’s with real needs in other areas where his $12.6M would have come in handy…
I do think though keeping Hughes through the year might prove nice with the 2010 class coming up and some likely fire sales happening early next year…
by majoyenrac on
Jan 7, 2009 8:29 AM CST
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I think the key is SEEING MORE THABO will translate to seeing the good thabo.
Everyone who’s down on him says “oh he started at the beginning of the yr and didn’t bring it.” Yeah, he did start… but look at the min he got. They certainly were not starter’s min.
Play him 30 min consistently and he will contribute in every column! This is why I think Hughes needs to sit. Bc Thabo should get all the 2 & 3 min behind BG & Deng IMO.
by smash! on
Jan 7, 2009 12:09 PM CST
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you could say he's getting too many minutes as it is
for the time Deng’s been hurt, Thabo’s not played well.
But if the other choice is Hughes at the 3, why not.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Jan 7, 2009 12:23 PM CST
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But why?
Hughes is playing more consistent ball than Thabo and is frankly a better player at this juncture and one who has a penchant for complaining publicly when minutes are cut, and one who’s unfairly maligned here because he’s not our best player, not in our long term plans, and is paid the most….I get that.
But Hughes has been playing better than Thabo and might help us win a game or two here and there, and Hughes has a contract that if his play proves more warranted might end up helping him be a vital cog in a trade, whereas Thabo’s at best a very inconsistent, but versatile SG/SF who won’t ever be more than throw in…..and will never make near big time money and doesn’t have the rap in the league to complain at all publicly…..Bulls can keep working on Thabo and resign him for $2-3M a year likely in a 2-3 yr deal…..and who knows during his next stint Thabo might become consistent and be a bargain…..he’s not helping us much these days, as he’s definately more off than on, and when he’s off, he’s really off…..and when he’s on, he’s really only a cheaper Larry Hughes right now (though he might do more)….
And all this conjecture about other non reported off court crap, is crap….until it’s been shown. I think Stacey and even if I recall Sam Smith mentioned that Larry’s never had a public outcry for being bad off the court, in fact he has a quiet demeanor to him….he just shoots too much for his career, but is now playing more in our offense, and when he plays a consistent role is doing much better than when he plays many minutes then 2 minutes than many minutes than 2 minutes.
He might not only help us win more now, but might help us win more later if he plays, gets his value up only because of the fa class coming, and nabs us more in a trade (alongside a Gooden, Gordon, Deng, Hinrich, for an essential big we need).
by majoyenrac on
Jan 7, 2009 1:09 PM CST
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I'm not in that "everyone" crowd
He can’t shoot…..AND isn’t consistent. But I’d live with the inconsistent D and bad passing games mroe if he could hit shots, and he can’t, even when given consistent minutes…..at least last year and this year that is.
by majoyenrac on
Jan 7, 2009 1:13 PM CST
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His shot is his weakness, for sure.
He has off nights and he has on nights. But that’s why I think he’s such a good fit as a role player behind BG and Deng- two great shooters. He’s hella athletic, long and I think his D is very good. He makes good decisions and can contribute in every category. He’s been slashing more, which he’s great at and is ultimately what he has to do to be effective. And by all accounts is an awesome team guy. So yeah, I think turning him into a role player who can come off the bench behind BG and Deng would be a great move and he’d be a great piece who works well at 3 and is oversized and still effective at 2. Imagine that, the Bulls having a player who can play multiple positions and not be considered undersized at either!
by smash! on
Jan 8, 2009 11:34 AM CST
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Yeah
I agree….I just think given that Thabo has weaknesses and likely little value in the league, we can keep him a bit and give him spot time to work out those kinks, resign him for little (he’s not good enough to complain and won’t do any favors complaining). Resign him for hopefully 3 yrs $10M, and watch him blossom once Hughes is gone (which I think is happening at next year’s deadline if not this year’s draft day depending on how our team does the rest of this year in their record).
by majoyenrac on
Jan 8, 2009 12:39 PM CST
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and when the ref
called the ball out of bounds off Thabo he argued with the ref and got the call reversed. I thought Thabo had a good game.
by sue369 on
Jan 7, 2009 10:31 AM CST
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