why not combine the stats, with evidence from the games and rational thought to produce your argument. Go off on someone above about understanding their stats(above re: PER) and then include Win Shares, which are based on a cumulative statistic is absurd. usg% doesnt particularly say anything about his ability or quality of play, just glanced @ BG, Kirk, Noah, Lu and Noc and their usg is all down too vs last year.

So basically he is Shooting the ball better, stealing and blocking better, while rebounding worse and has a lower ast/to %. So ya, the rebounding and dumb decisions are definitely still a concern, he has a ton of areas to improve on if he wants to be a real solid player. But congratulations on venomously stating as little useful information as the original post using statistics.

and we definitely suck less.

Drew Gooden is shooting .457 for the season and his FT % is excellent at .866. He has blocked a whopping 0.61 shots per 40 minutes and has had 1.84 turnovers per game in 29.6 minutes. He does lead the team in rebounds with 8.6 rbg but gets many of those at the 5. He has averaged 0.45 steals in longer minutes than Tyrus since Dec. 1. In other words other than getting more rebounds and shooting a higher FT % with less attempts per minute played, DG has performed at a much lower level than your whipping boy.

Now lets look at Noce. He shot only .379 in January and .407 for the season. His FT % is .817 with much less attempts per minute played than Tyrus. He has averaged 0,45 steals and 0.3 blocks per game, an average of 24.5 minutes which is again higher than Thomas’s. He has averaged 1.2 assists and 4.3 rebounds.

In conclusion, I would have to say GAME, SET AND MATCH TO TYRUS THOMAS.

Why can’t he just make a simple block? He always makes a wild block, the type that goes out of bounds. Hasn’t he figured out by now how to soft block the ball so you can start a fast break. Most people figure this out in their first year, or in college. He seems to not get the concept at all. Yes this is nitpicking by the way.

Which many of us Bab’rs have been arguing all along. To bring in his past 2 years as a counter argument is e

I was showing that in the last 2 months, TT has improved his game substantially. It is becoming obvious that the more Noah, Thabo and Tyrus are given minutes, the better their overall game has improved. No need to rehash the reasons why they had to ride the bench while veterans with much lower (if any) upside played ahead of them.

To argue using TT’s latest numbers is “nitpicking” is equivilant to saying if we are going to evaluate Carlos Quintin’s 36 HR, .288 BA and 100 RBI performance in ’08 we would have to include his .215, 5 HR, 30+ RBI year of 2007 to accurately assess his value to the White Sox. Young players can improve if given the opportunity and some blossom later than others.

You have convinced yourself that Tyrus will never be much more than an below average offensive player with a slightly above average defensive potential. You may be right, but if they trade him and it turns out that those of us who have had mancrush fantasies regarding his future studliness were justified in our bball romance, both Paxson and those like you will be subjected to eating lots of crow for a long, long time. And if he turns out not to be what we thought he could be, it would still be easy to move him in the future without having a Larry Hughes like financial burden to carry on the books.

Tyrus has played such a high percentage of garbage minutes over his career that it’s hard to gather much of anything from the already vague DRtg stat. And you say “Tyrus is our team’s best defender and it’s not close” when Tyrus’ DRtg the past two years (103,103) has been just one point better than Joakim Noah’s (104,104). Again, vague statistic.

On 82games adjusted plus minus, Tyrus rated out at 2.21 defensively. That stat too has its weaknesses, but he’s right there again with Noah (2.71) and this time with Thabo (+2.54).

He’s a good defender, but it’s hard to say he’s anything more, especially with opposing PFs torching us this season.

but is somewhat misleading when taken in a single game?

that he has defensive potential. I agree he can be a 2.5blk 1.5 steal guy. But his individual and team defense is only ok right now. And even if he makes it as a defensive player, he doesn’t really help the offensive post scoring woes.

And that doesn’t even begin the argument of blks/stls and what they measure. A lot of the best defenders in the game don’t get a lot of blks/stls. And some of the worst do (iverson stls) (al jefferson blks). For as great as you point out Tyrus individual numbers are, the Bulls defense has regressed every year he’s been here. And he’s not considered any sort of defensive stopper, he’s just a blk/stl guy if that makes any sense.