(UPDATED)The Chairman gives a token few minutes about his basketball team in between a half hour about SoxFest
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 30, 2009 11:11 AM CST
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Mike North: You have a coach that has a two-year deal. … Going into next year, if you do keep Vinny Del Negro, would he considered a lame duck coach?
Jerry Reinsdorf: I think he's signed for three years.
Mike North: Is one an option year?
Jerry Reinsdorf: I don't think so. I don't remember. I don't think so.
Mike North: Where would you rate this season?
Jerry Reinsdorf: You want the grade up till today? What's the lowest grade you can give? This has been a disaster. It's embarrassing. But it will get better.
Mike North: With the same people?
Jerry Reinsdorf: Well, we'll see. John Paxson is not going to let this situation continue.
Dan Jiggetts: How comfortable are you with John at the helm?
Jerry Reinsdorf: When you have a team that's not performing it's an organization failure. You win and you lose as an organization. But if there's one person that is not responsible for what's going on right now, it's John Paxson. I have tremendous confidence in John Paxson. He's really one of the best people that I know. He's a great general manager and a great judge of talent. I just worry that he not be too hard on himself. He takes all of this very, very seriously.
Mike North: To say that he's not at all responsible … he brought in the players. So are the players not being coached up?
Jerry Reinsdorf: I have a lot of thoughts about that but they're not thoughts that I really can say publicly. All I know is what we have right now is not good and we have to get it better. They are playing hard in the last half-dozen or so games. We had some games where…
Mike North: You knew they were mailing it in.
Jerry Reinsdorf: They were mailing it in and I felt like standing up and booing along with everybody else. They're not mailing it in anymore.
Jerry Reinsdorf: We have a great player in Derrick Rose. When I first got involved with the Bulls, we had one great player (Michael Jordan). When we won our first championship, he was the only player left from the original team. We will build around Derrick Rose. Every player that's added to this team will be a player who can feed off of him. … This is not going to take changing 11 players. We do have some pretty good players on this club. Obviously what we lack is an inside presence. That's the biggest thing we are missing and somehow we have to find it.
Morons in the Morning page. (8-9am hour, 1/30)
Here's the direct MP3 link
Recap (Bulls talk starts at ~37:40):
- North doesn't even suggest Vinny could be gone season, but worries about lame-duck status next season. Reinsdorf claims Vinny might have a 3 year deal but doesn't remember. (Awesome)
- Reinsdorf calls Bulls up to today a "disaster", "embarrassing", "lowest grade possible"
- Implicitly endorses Paxson as the person who's "not going to let it continue".
- "It will get better".
- "Organization failure".
- "If there's one person who is NOT responsible, it's John Paxson". His worry is that Pax will "too hard on himself". (ugh)
- North does a good job and presses how the GM cannot be responsible. Reinsdorf does not take the bait by saying who is responsible, says that he "has a lot of thoughts", but can't say.
- Says team is "playing hard". May have been mailing it in more earlier in the season.
- Emphasizes how great important Rose is and how every move will be for his sake. Says that it won't take changing 11 players around him, some here now are keepers. Need inside presence.
As has been theorized before: Pax is only gone if he wants to be gone.
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Unfortunately, I was watching that show as well this morning
Great recap, I was actually kinda happy hearing about how disgusted he is with the team. Probably said that just to appease the dwindling fanbase, but he could have toned it down a little and I’m happy he at least acted very upset. Also, he gave serious implications that big time changes would be coming, which he didn’t have to do, so we have to assume that something is definitely on the horizon. The thing about Vinny’s contract was priceless. You can tell he just didn’t want to be a total dick to North like he normally would and drop his “we don’t discuss coaches contracts” quote. So he decided to have temporary amnesia instead. Fire Vinny!
"One thing I do know is teams like a lot of our pieces. That's not to say they want to give us a lot of players in return, but I know they like a lot of our pieces." - John Paxson (1/21/09)
whoa whoa whoa
lets be clear: I did not WATCH the show live :-)
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 30, 2009 11:38 AM CST up reply actions
No wonder North took it easy on him he owns 50% of the station.
If this was the 670 North he would have douche bagged him. Reinsdorf sounds like Sylvester Stallone. So Paxson stays. Ok… I love how North changed the subject so fast.
by ImmanuelKant on Jan 30, 2009 11:47 AM CST up reply actions
Has North ever been tough with the Chairman?
His interview last year was tame and lame. North couldn’t even get the Chairman to tell us if Skiles quit or was fired.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Jan 30, 2009 2:11 PM CST up reply actions
North is still hoping
Reinsdorf gives him the Sox radio job.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 30, 2009 2:31 PM CST up reply actions
They were mailing it in early in the season but now they're playing hard?
I’m pretty confused by that statement, since it’s the exact opposite of what I’ve seen.
They started out playing competitively and even had that fairly respectable circus trip that left us all thinking they were going to the playoffs.
Since then, they’ve absolutely imploded.
I mean, seriously, what the hell.
translation
Kirk and Noc came back
(I’d put a smiley face here but it’s actually depressing)
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 30, 2009 12:26 PM CST up reply actions
um...Noc didn't come back
not sure why I said that. Grouping them together for trades too much, I suppose.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 30, 2009 12:26 PM CST up reply actions
Well
He kind of did because he sure looked like he was mailing it in there for a while….playing worse actually than he did in the playoffs for us 2-3 years ago when he had the plaintar facitis and tried to play….and then you could see he couldn’t….yet this time I didn’ t know of an injury and he was playing just awful in late nov to mid Dec.
Yeah, I'm not excited about it either.
I just hope they luck into a decent SG in the draft… or in a trade. Or in a FA signing.
Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!
Why would they draft, trade or sign for one?
I mean, people keep saying it as if we just need to get a replacement and then we can trade Kirk, but the reality is if this team isn’t trading Kirk, they aren’t going to go get a replacement for him.
Dorf sez gotta find "inside presence"
This is not going to take changing 11 players. We do have some pretty good players on this club. Obviously what we lack is an inside presence. That’s the biggest thing we are missing and somehow we have to find it.
If so, then gotta trade Hinrich as only piece that will get back said “inside presence” this year. Logically. Not to say that logic will dictate moves.
And, who knows what Dorf time frame is for finding “inside presence”…
I didn't mean necessarily this year.
I’d like to think that there’s some semblance of talent evaluation in the organization that realizes that Hinrich isn’t a long-term solution at SG. Mybe he, thabo and hughes could get by for a year. I’m too optimistic (I guess) to think Paxson thinks Hinrich or Gordon are of equal caliber.
I really do think it’s just “leverage” for Gordon. Or insurance, at least.
Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!
After seeing the "They are playing hard in the last half-dozen or so games."
But before that, they were mailing it in, direct quotes, I’m going to go ahead and just say:
1. Reinsdorf isn’t watching the games I am
2. Or perhaps his definition of “playing hard” actually means “playing Kirk Hinrich”
ugh, I know
I guess our hope is that the owner doesn’t watch his team? That’s, um, a bad choice too.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 30, 2009 3:34 PM CST up reply actions
I bet the Chaiman remembers how many years are left on Ozzie Guillen's contract
I’d be stunned if he’s bothered to watch more than 3 Bulls games this season. Just sell the fucking team if you don’t care.
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because I wish to insult you personally
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Great to know that we have an owner who really cares about the team
“If there’s one person who is NOT responsible, it’s John Paxson”. His worry is that Pax will “too hard on himself”.
Translation = I will never fire John Paxson, he will have to leave on his own.
Says that it won’t take changing 11 players around him, some here now are keepers.
Translation = I will keep Kirk and Noc with Rose, everyone else can go.
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Downside/Upside
Downside: I will never fire John Paxson, he will have to leave on his own.
Upside: He’s spent the last 9 months in the fetal position, and may very well leave on his own.
Can Obama appoint Pax to Exercise Czar or something?
Come on Change. We really bloody need you now.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Jan 30, 2009 2:12 PM CST up reply actions
there's always Notre Dame...
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 30, 2009 2:32 PM CST up reply actions
Ouch
North: “To say that he’s not at all responsible… he brought in the players. So are the players not being coached up?”
JR: "I have a lot of thoughts about that but they’re not thoughts that I really can say publicly.
So in the last 10 days, Vinny’s been thrown under the bus by: 1) the owner, and 2) the GM. I hope he rented a place in Chicago instead of buying.
Why resort to name calling?
-Dionysus2.0
because I wish to insult you personally
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thanks for getting the link
I’ll post an update.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 30, 2009 3:05 PM CST up reply actions
kinda bad when neither will give a public vote of confidence in you
the writing’s pretty much on the wall for VDN.
If anything, he’ll make it through the season, then ka-put, he’s done.
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VDN pushback: sez can't find roles for young players
You just have to go with what you have, build confidence in these young players, find roles for everybody—which you can’t—and try to put your team in position to get some wins."
VDN careful not to get himself in trouble in the other comments in the KC story just posted, but he let this one about roster problems slip out.
Injuries
Specifically injuries to captains…aka veteran leaders.
" I've looked at these numbers and decided the #1 problem
is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger
Can't find roles,
Bullshit!!, As fans we can probally tell each player what their role is, Aaron Gray(keep the bench warm and the gatorade cold), Tyrus(go to the basket, rebound, defend, blockshots, run the floor), Lindsey(mentor D. Rose), Noah (Defend, hustle, run the floor, rebound, blockshots), these are just a few roles
by LOTP on Jan 30, 2009 4:43 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Jerry is mad at
1st – Diantoni for leaving him hanging.
2nd- Vinny- for just being horrible losing walkups at the UC.
Let’s hope when they fire Vinny in the upcoming weeks monthes…… Jerry or Pax really is truthful to the fans and says we really really screwed up this season by hiring this guy.
well he hid it in what he said
Do you remember the ending interview Jerry gave? He took a big shot at Diantoni for hanging him to dry. What I have always heard is that Jerry was taking his time started off lowballing Diantoni, and before he got a chance to make a second offer Diantoni jumped to NY. Sure Jerry could be mad at himself, but he did blame Diantoni for not handling it proffesionally.
Jerry's Blind
D’antoni choose based on
1) The Offer
2) Workable Management (the GM) with a Plan
Clearly, Bulls failed on both points. Even if Jerry would have offered the exact same offer D’Antoni would have still chose NY (which he in essense did and had no reason to hear Chgo counter offer).
Therefore, salary wasn’t the major consideration. D’Antoni wanted no part of this bumbling organization and PaxsDorf Man Love, back seat coaching forcing high paid Hinrich/Noc to fit in with a better PG and SF at all cost. D’Antoni foresaw this, many of us did… not rocket science…
D’Antoni wanted nothing to do with a GM who basically said, please come in and give me a plan (“do my job for me..I’m a idiot”), but under these constraints…
Jerry .you Blind Fart! … your GM is an idiot!
man up!
Exactly
When one team is offering less money, and is telling you that there is a good chance that they won’t retain Ben Gordon, their best player at that time…maybe still, it becomes a no brainer which team to coach.
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wasn't there a quote
where D’Antoni said he and reindsdorf discussed what it would be like having Gordon on the QO, before he was even on it?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 31, 2009 11:04 AM CST up reply actions
video
http://csnchicago.com/pages/main
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 30, 2009 3:42 PM CST reply actions
Must see dorf video live
sorry on reply.
There’s more in the video version that isn’t in the transcript, and some different words used as well.
'We haven't performed yet, but it's a long way to the end of the season"
Dorf quote which gives a slightly different perspective on implied VDN shelf life….
when Dorf says Paxson is going to do something, and then says the team is playing hard, playing hard the last six games or so….my take is that Dorf thinks Pax can get VDN to coach better somehow.
There ought to be a "BullsFest" convention in the summer
Of course, Pax can’t even bother to take questions from reporters more then once or twice a year, so no way would he want to be questioned by fans.
Why resort to name calling?
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because I wish to insult you personally
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I haven't seen any plays all season.
by fundamentallysound on Jan 30, 2009 5:13 PM CST up reply actions
Vinny is blamed
by many in here for the offensive or lack of offensive plays when Harris is the one making the calls.
Usually the head guy takes the heat...
but not in the Bulls organization because Paxson always seems to duck responsibility even when that’s his motto.
So lets blame it on Harris, because he’s VDN assistant and works the offensive…
Ooops! who hired Harris? Paxson!
Normally good coaches like to bring in their lead assistants because they work well together!
Ooops! VDN is a rookie.. he has no history of assistants..
Who hired VDN? Paxson
Since Paxson preaches responsibility he needs to take a lesson from President Truman.
man up!
This is me writing off the team for the rest of the season
and choosing not to renew my season tickets for next year. How in the world can he say Paxson has no responsibility for this mess? My head hurts to much to think clearly.
Jerry, if it’s an organizational failure, that means everyone in the organization failed!!!!
I will still watch to keep updates on Rose (and to a lesser extent TT), but I am not going to call myself a Bulls fan again this season.
Vinny's response comments need their own post
“Managing expectations is the hardest thing in this business,” Del Negro said. "They didn’t win 60 games last year. They didn’t have a rookie point guard. They didn’t have the injuries we’ve had.
“You can’t compare years. You can’t compare teams. You just have to go with what you have, build confidence in these young players, find roles for everybody—which you can’t—and try to put your team in position to get some wins.”
“That’s just Jerry trying to motivate and get guys going,” Del Negro said. "Jerry wants to win just like every owner and every coach. It’s not easy. Managing expectations is very easy to talk about it but hard to do. And it takes time. Some people are more patient than others.
“Jerry is a great owner. He lets you go do your job. We’ll talk once in awhile. We’ll text once in awhile. He just wants to win like everybody. Frustration builds for him just like everybody else. You always want to do better. That’s what we’re trying to do. So I focus on what I can control and that’s making this team better. And I feel we are.”
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yep
if you read between the lines in Vinny’s comments, he’s saying a lot more that what he really said. There’s no way this lasts beyond this season (if things continue how they are).
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Reinsdorf and Del Negro text?
That’s weird to me for some reason.
Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!
More excuses...
And as usual they don’t make sense. Yeah, the rookie PG is really why this team sucks. Right.
I agree.
Derrick Rose is really holding this team back. Bulls need to trade him for something. Maybe Rose for Eddy Curry. Then the Bulls will be great!
Even better, a three way with New Orleans and New York that brings Chris Duhon, Eddy Curry, and Tyson Chandler in, with Rose going out.
Sign Eric Piatowski, Othella Harrington, and Antonio Davis. Cut Thomas/Noah/Gray/Ruffin/Hunter
PG-Chris Duhon/Kirk Hinrich
SG-Ben Gordon/Eric Piatowski
SF-Luol Deng/Andres Nocioni
PF-Antonio Davis/Othella Harrington
C- Eddy Curry/Tyson Chandler
Happy days will be back again!
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Jerry Reinsdorf is a fucking idiot
How does this dipshit have any right to criticize the team for playing poorly? His Midas Touch is all over this trainwreck, starting all the way in 2006 when he personally called Ben Wallace and gave Paxson the go ahead to grossly overpay a declining All-Star. He shooed D’Antoni away because he was too cheap to spend the money on a star coach, and made up some crap excuse about commitment to defense. Then he gives Paxson the ok to hire a novice head coach and is now saying that the team sucks and has no direction? And somehow Paxson isn’t to blame because he picked a complete dumbass as a head coach? If he is hoping to permanently destroy any remnants of the Bulls fanbase outside of the diehards, he’s doing a great job.
Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
KC was on CTL
and he said that he thinks Reinsdorf is trying to “talk John off the ledge”. Sounds like Pax may be ready to give this all up (we can only hope).
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You know, after that fanpost I wrote last week, I went back and listened to an interview Collins gave
This was after the whole non-coaching fiasco, and he said a number of things that made Paxson sound completely dispirited back then.
I can’t believe he’s that much of a mope. And I can’t believe he’s been allowed, by himself and everyone else, to go on being that much of a mope.
Pax has a lot to mope about
Dorf won’t technically fire Pax.
It will be a resignation, which Dorf will reluctantly accept blah blah blah.
So, it’s a combination of Pax getting frustrated, and perhaps eventually realizing that he’s not going to get out of Dorfer what the team needs to succeed, which will bringabout exit. Pax knows that the lux tax and trade opportunites with Hughes etc suck.
But even more important, it’s a downer for Pax to have to face firing of VDN, and contemplate going through that whole coaching hire thing again with Dorfer messing with the process…and by now Pax realizes that he really doesn’t know how to fix team. Got to feel that, at least somewhat, right?
I don't think he was cut out for this
in all honesty. Two-three years of constant losing and negativity will make ANYONE be a mope.
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Pax is a problem. Reinsdorf is the main problem. He calls all the shots so I blame him the most. He doesn’t care about basketball at all…the Bulls are just a cash cow(pun intended)
Even if he fired Pax, what good, qualified GM candidate would want to work for JR? No one.
Please please please sell the team. the Bulls are screwed as long as JR owns the team.
If you remember when they interview Paxson a few weeks ago he said something like
‘’I wanna do the things that I wanna do’’ I wonder if Paxson was hinting that he’s been prevented in doing some things.
by ImmanuelKant on Jan 30, 2009 7:11 PM CST up reply actions
JR has messed with at least 3 things that I know...
1. Ben Wallace was JR’s guy
2. Doug Collins
3. D’Antoni
by ImmanuelKant on Jan 30, 2009 7:14 PM CST up reply actions
Not to mention the beat writers all say Jerry plays favorites
And the players he like (Ben, Kirk, Deng) get the contracts.
Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Jan 30, 2009 7:16 PM CST up reply actions
It Just Hit Me
This was the plan all along. Its Pax that will be gone. VDN becomes the new General Manager (at his reduced salary for the remainder of the term of his contract) and the Bulls get a real Coach. Reinsdorf saves a boatload of money, the Bulls get a decent coach, 2010 rolls around …………. hmmmmmm. You heard it here first.
Not Chronic, Ironic!
If you thought that this was actually a serious comment, its likely you that’s been smokin’. Everyone knows that Tyrus Thomas will be the new GM, and Noah the Player-Coach. Yeah, mon.
Vinny is not the new GM.
He is getting his ass booted out of the organization.
I think B.J. Armstrong has a good chance of being the next GM. He’s an organizational guy, Krause’s assistant. On the dynasty Bulls. Participated in the shooting stars last year for the Bulls. Is Derrick’s Rose agent. What better guy to build a team around Derrick Rose than a guy whose job has been to adjust Derrick to being a pro, and the closest people surrounding Derrick right now that aren’t his family.
I still think Paxson can get this thing done if Reinsdorf stops interferring. I think it all starts with paying the new head coach. If we had Mike D’Antoni, we would be on our way to becoming Phoenix of the East right now. We have so much more talent than New York on our team, and look what they’re doing. I don’t think we’d be top 3 this year, but I think we’d be firmly placed in the fourth seed, with separation from Atlanta. The D’Antoni thing was a complete botch.
If we spend on a guy like Avery Johnson, I think we will be good. Johnson is a good choice as he was Popovich’s on court coach with the Spurs. Popovich brougght him with wherever he was an assistant, or eventually head coach with. He got to work under Don Nelson, and took a team to the finals in his first tenure as head coach, while accumulating the highest win percentage of any coach in NBA history. Yes, his team got eliminated in the first round to the eigth seed, but that’s more on Dirk (his production drop was crazy for that playoff series).
Avery often gets credit for making his teams “balanced”, but that isn’t just credit. He made the Mavericks the best offensive team in the league, while improving their defense.
05-06: 1st in Offense, 11th in Defense
06-07: 2nd in Offense, 5th in Defense
07-08: 8th in Offense, 9th in Defense
I think Bulls fans are owed a big name coach, and Avery Johnson is the obvious choice. If he gets organizational backing, he could be the head coach for the next 25 years.
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by Andrew7 on Jan 31, 2009 3:45 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I don't believe so, because there will still be to much Paxson manlove interference with Kirk/Noc..
Aside from that, I truly believe Paxson is a GM moron and he would never get anything right because he is out of tune.
He is and will become formally past tense in BULLS GM management, soon.
man up!
no drunk-posting.
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