So who do you want the Bulls to draft in 2009?
by Playboy_Bull on Jan 3, 2009 9:58 PM CST
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With this season teetering on the brink of absurdness and the Bulls finding who works best with Rose, who do you think the Bulls should look to draft if they miss the play-offs again (argh!)?
Griffin is a given (and would be spectacular) but whom else besides him would you want to see running with the Bulls?
Ford has his mock draft up by the way!
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/lottery2009/mockdraft
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any good coaches in this year's draft class?
Suit up the MJ Statue! It should be able to give us the interior defense we've been lacking! Get on it Pax!
by chibullsfan03 on Jan 3, 2009 10:41 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Yea there's like 9 of them available all better than VDN
What happens when Kirk comes back?
by Nextgen on Jan 3, 2009 11:57 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
O wouldn't even look at the draft board because I would be so adamant that they should trade the pick.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jan 3, 2009 10:45 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
There's two points I'd like to make about this year's draft.
The first is, as everybody’s noticed, weak. The second is that, as pathetic as the Bulls interior is, there are numerous players who could help us.
This is just too damn depressing.
Blow this “team” up.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
by MPG on Jan 3, 2009 11:01 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
arrrg
“the first is that it is, as everybody’s noticed, weak.”
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
by MPG on Jan 3, 2009 11:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It's not a bad class
Harden’s a star, Griffin’s at worst a 15 and 8 guy, Mullens is as athletic a 7’ as I’ve seen, and Thabeet, Jordan Hill, and Monroe are three good center prospects. Maybe it lacks the big names at the top, but this isn’t a bad year for the Bulls to suck.
by YaoPau on Jan 3, 2009 11:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ya, it kind of is
Trade the pick now, and Drew Gooden and Larry Hughes for like A post-player.
Newsflash: Pax will never part with his assests.
What happens when Kirk comes back?
by Nextgen on Jan 3, 2009 11:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hold on a sec-
Mullens can’t be the most athletic 7-footer you’ve ever seen: he’s nowhere near Shaq, Hakeem, Mourning…or even Tyson Chandler…in terms of athleticism. Thabeet is a good center prospect but has no post game – and I wouldn’t call either Hill or Monroe centers. Watch Monroe – he gets shoved around easily, and was just dominated by 6’7 DeJuan Blair of Pitt. Watch Hill – athletic as hell, for sure, and skilled – could be an excellent power forward, but h’s no center. These are players with potential, yes. But compared to the draft we’ve just had, it’s weak, and I doubt the Bulls are going to be sufficently lucky or sucky to net one of the “sure” things.
I’d be happy to have any of the players you’ve mentioned. In a few years, with strength and experience, they could be terrific. But nobody outside of Harden or Griffin is going to step in and make an impact right away, and that’s what I’m looking for at this point.
I’m tired of waiting and developing our players. Because we don’t develop them.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
by MPG on Jan 4, 2009 1:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I hear ya
Mourning is 6’9". Chandler sucks. Shaq is super-athletic for his size, but he’s much bigger than your typical 7 footer. On pure athleticism, Hakeem is a step above all three of them. And on the same step as Mullens, who can handle the ball a bit and throw down between-his-legs dunks. There’s a whole mess of attitude and lack-of-skill problems with Mullens, but the athleticism is there.
Your other point was “compared to the draft we just had, it’s weak”. What was so great about this past draft? Rose is great, Augustin has been okay, but Mayo and Gordon are jumpshooters, Beasley and Westbrook have TS%’s under .500, and Love and Lopez have had trouble staying out of doghouses.
A great draft has plenty of star players, and last year’s draft looks like it’ll produce just one and a whole lot of semi-stars. And the upcoming draft will be much of the same.
by YaoPau on Jan 4, 2009 2:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
that Mullens could be ridiculous if he got his act together. Not sure why he isn’t getting more burn just on the basis of his size, skill, and hops. However: if that causes him to drop within reach of the Bulls, I don’t care. Let him straighten up and fly right in Chicago.
I don’t agree with your assessments of Mayo, Westbrook, et al. And I think there are other players we haven’t mention – Speights, McGee, Batum, Thompson – who also have the potential to be pretty good as well. But just because a draft is weaker than a previous draft doesn’t mean it can’t help us. The players you’ve mentioned, can.
The trouble is that’s also an indictment of how weak we are.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
by MPG on Jan 4, 2009 6:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Good scouting
From what we have seen in the NCAA season so far Theebet is Roy Hibbert and Mullens is not close to as dominant as Oden was in the same system and the NBA jury is still out on Oden.
I’m almost sure the Bulls package their first pick with their junk…. noah or tyrus or noc… to a team looking to get younger.
by Jscho316 on Jan 4, 2009 4:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
How about a raw big man...
…who chicago can spend 2-3 years developing to average 4 points and 6 boards a game….wait, this sounds familiar.
by oakdale on Jan 3, 2009 11:27 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
hate to be a downer but....
watching what video is out there of him he looks like a slow euro. Most his blocks looked like NBA fouls. But hey what do I know…
Wow the Bulls have become the Clippers!
by ImmanuelKant on Jan 4, 2009 2:16 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So Aaron Gray/Will Perdue level talent?
(my wow comment was sarcastic)
by Granny Waiters on Jan 4, 2009 4:52 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think we should deal the pick.
But if we don’t my favorite prospect in this class is Greg Monroe. The guy is so multitalented it’s unreal. I mean he can do everything on the floor. Outstanding ball handling ability for a big man, great passer, can shoot from anywhere, plays solid defense, good shot blocker, good post up skills. He is also very unselish and is a great teammate just like Rose. That might be his only knock though….He needs to be more agressive. This kid has so much potential.
by illini23 on Jan 4, 2009 12:29 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Depending on how high you intend to draft, you might look into DeJuan Blair if guys like Griffin and Mullens are off the board
Undersized young power forward yet great wingspan who actually has some power and knows his limits. Could be Paul Millsap, could be a bust.
by Norsktroll on Jan 4, 2009 11:10 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I'll shit a brick if Blair starts in the NBA
Millsap can shoot and block shots. Blair’s Danny Fortson if he’s lucky.
by YaoPau on Jan 6, 2009 5:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Blair's pretty good
If he’s anything close to Millsap that would be outstanding. I doubt he measures at 6’7" though.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Jan 5, 2009 6:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Why stop at 2009 when a 2010 mock is alreay up?!
by smash! on Jan 4, 2009 11:41 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
The teams finish in the same order as 2009. ;)
by Granny Waiters on Jan 4, 2009 12:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That just tells you how bad the '09 draft is...
…no PROGRESS!
Larry Hughes should be Marburried. Period.
by smash! on Jan 4, 2009 2:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
2008 Draft was pretty solid, 2009 Draft looks weak.
If I had to pick, I guess Monroe from Georgetown. I’d rather trade the pick.
by C Smoove on Jan 5, 2009 12:50 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I would think Griffin would be a no-brainer.
As a PF, he’s big, he’s tall, he’s athletic, he has offensive moves, he rebounds, he works his off, he wants to win.
Oh wait, he is a bit cocky, though. Shit. No Chicago for you!!!
Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!
by tyger1147 on Jan 6, 2009 8:48 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
But since they won't get the No. 1 anyway, because they are just too talented...
…I’d go for (in the 10-14 range) either DeRozan or Budinger. DeRozan is the most athletic player in the draft not named Griffin, and maybe even more-so. Shoot for the moon, I say. Budinger, I think, can similar to Ben Gordon (only taller!) only not as good. I fully expect Gordon to be gone at the end of this year. I think it would be cute to have a offensive/defensive SG/SF 6’7" complements of each other. Ho!
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by tyger1147 on Jan 6, 2009 8:56 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll also shit a brick if Budinger starts in the NBA
how many 6’7", no-lateral-quickness white guys have to miserably fail in the NBA before we start lowering their draft stock? And it’s not like he’s even putting up good numbers in college…
by YaoPau on Jan 6, 2009 5:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
brent barry?
what’s white have to do with it? don’t be ignorant. seriously.
Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!
by tyger1147 on Jan 6, 2009 6:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Can you think of the last time a white American played above his draft pick?
How are Luke Jackson, JJ Redick, Adam Morrison and Joe Alexander doing?
by YaoPau on Jan 7, 2009 3:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Small sample size.
Aaron Gray is another.
I can name ten times as many black players and European players that have busted, too. Wow.
There really only needs to be one in the next year or two (David Lee! Aaron Gray!!!) and you’ll have a lower percentage of busts among american whites than whatever other ridiculous arbitrary category you want to put on it.
Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!
by tyger1147 on Jan 7, 2009 5:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Your small sample size is 200 million white americans
and the best player among them is David Lee. You’re being politically correct instead of correct.
by YaoPau on Jan 7, 2009 9:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No, I'm not.
White-Americans play other sports, ya know? I’m not being politically correct. What are black-Americans? ~13-14? I see a far higher percentage than 86-87 of whites succeeding at the highest levels in sports like downhill skiing, hockey, wrestling, fencing, swimming, volleyball… blah blah blah.
So, you’re definitely wrong on that part. Besides, I thought we were talking about how they performed relative to draft spots.
I’m actually going to research this further over the weekend, but it’s not near as bad as you think.
Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!
by tyger1147 on Jan 8, 2009 10:07 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, and Chris Kaman, Kirk Hinrich and Nick Collison
are clearly not busts compared to those drafted around them.
For starters.
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by tyger1147 on Jan 8, 2009 10:08 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but would you want them with your lottery pick?
Kaman: 14.0 PER, .533 TS%
Hinrich: 14.9 PER, .521 TS%
Collison: 14.5 PER, .552 TS%
Considering the NBA average is 15.0 PER, I’d expect my lottery picks to top that.
Clearly, because of the success of Dirk and Kirilenko and Ginobili, there’s nothing physically from stopping white people from excelling at the NBA level. So I’d guess the reason there are no white american NBA starts is social/cultural, which is also why you don’t see many dominant black downhill skiers and hockey players.
But that’s not to say no white american is worth a lottery pick. I’ve backed BJ Mullens as much as anybody on this board, because I’ve seen the guy play and he’s a physical freak.
The problem with picking white americans, though, is that they tend to be waaay overvalued by the media. Adam Morrison, a pure shooter with his zero athleticism and playing in a small conference, puts up big numbers and lands a #3 pick. JJ Redick, an undersized jumpshooter with zero athleticism nets a lottery pick. On the other hand, Shan Foster scored 20+ ppg with 47% from 3’s for a ranked Vanderbilt team, and he gets picked late second round and is shipped to europe immediately (where Morrison and Redick belong).
I’ve seen Budinger play. He can jump through the roof, and he has a decent (but not great) jumpshot. But he also has zero lateral quickness. As a result, he’s died against good teams. Look at his shooting stats vs Gonzaga and Kansas and Cal and Stanford. He’s not a first round talent.
by YaoPau on Jan 8, 2009 12:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
DeRozan
all hype, what has he done at USC except underachieve. Can’t shoot either. I’m not sold on Griffin, he doesn’t look NBA big, looks like he’s gonna get pushed around in the pros. and he’s only 6’9"
by C Smoove on Jan 6, 2009 3:11 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Haha yes
For the love of god, PLEASE surround Derrick Rose with someone who can shoot. Regardless of whether we sign Ben Gordon or not, we should be giving Stephen Curry a look.
by YaoPau on Jan 6, 2009 5:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yep. There's where you shine.
No Budinger. but Curry is a good pick.
Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!
by tyger1147 on Jan 6, 2009 6:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I can't tell if you're serious or not
While Curry was averaging 35ppg in the tournament against four ranked teams, carrying his midmajor to the Elite 8, Budinger’s Arizona teams crap out every year while Chase scores 15ppg.
by YaoPau on Jan 7, 2009 3:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow. There ya go.
Curry is a 6’2" 180 lb. shooting guard. Or a PG. And you want him on this team? And one thinks Ben Gordon is bad on defense……….
Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!
by tyger1147 on Jan 7, 2009 5:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You have perfected the mocking tone
But you’re lacking substance. Curry’s a solid defender, have you seen him? And three steals per game to boot.
by YaoPau on Jan 7, 2009 9:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
As a PG. In a bad conference.
He’d obviously (god I hope it’s obvious) be a SG on this team. Show me the first SG his size without athleticism to make it, and I might consider it.
He might be able to make it as a shooting PG. Or as the type of player everyone thinks Ben Gordon is. He won’t make it as a starting SG in the NBA. Especially not next to an already defensively-deficient PG.
Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!
by tyger1147 on Jan 8, 2009 10:14 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Curry
I like him but I don’t know about him being a starting SG. He is projecting a PG and we don’t need that. If he was around in the second round, then yeh sure. but I’d rather get a C
by C Smoove on Jan 6, 2009 6:53 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Thabeet
Because it would be really, really funny.
by mrmagilakutty on Jan 7, 2009 3:21 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
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