Open Game Thread #34: Bulls vs Minnesota Timberwolves
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 3, 2009 7:30 PM CST
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They stink, like the Bulls. Bulls are at home so they'll probably win. Maybe the next 4 for that matter.
What I want to see is them actually look good doing it.
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Streaming video - Funky King announcers
at Homer TV
Channel 9
Access code: homertv.net
As always, you need a Flash plug-in for your browser.
IT's actually on channel 6 !
Sound is awful for me.
The Game chose him !
yeah that buzzing noise...
"He's not scared to take that shot," Rose said. "That's Larry. No matter what, I don't need to remind him to shoot. He's willing to shoot any time."
The game is on Homer TV 6 which is Channel 9 on the menu.
Confusing, especially as it changes throughout the game.
by Granny Waiters on Jan 3, 2009 7:51 PM CST up reply actions
Not to excited about this game
I just want to see a different attitude from the team: a more professional attitude
i just want to see a consistent effort
from start to finish, win or lose, just play hard like u want to win
First team to score wins!
Why resort to name calling?
-Dionysus2.0
because I wish to insult you personally
-your friendly BullsBlogger
The NBA, ladies and gentlemen
Why resort to name calling?
-Dionysus2.0
because I wish to insult you personally
-your friendly BullsBlogger
Only took 4:15
"He's not scared to take that shot," Rose said. "That's Larry. No matter what, I don't need to remind him to shoot. He's willing to shoot any time."
I feel bad for anyone attending this game
"He's not scared to take that shot," Rose said. "That's Larry. No matter what, I don't need to remind him to shoot. He's willing to shoot any time."
can't watch b/c i'm at work
but from espns box score…this looks pretty bad
by darksmokepuncher on Jan 3, 2009 8:01 PM CST reply actions
Can the referees please stop
calling anything !
The Game chose him !
If the game remains this BOOORING
Is there any chance that Paxson sits next to McHale on the bench and start talking trades?
That would be funny… They just exchange players during halftime
anybody got another online link to the game
besides homertv.net, that ones just not working for me
well u know us chicagoans are
gluttons for punishment
I can't believe people actually paid money to go to this game
Why resort to name calling?
-Dionysus2.0
because I wish to insult you personally
-your friendly BullsBlogger
Are you kidding? You know there's a possibility of winning a Big Mac right?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jan 3, 2009 8:16 PM CST up reply actions
Maybe if the game goes to quadruple overtime
Why resort to name calling?
-Dionysus2.0
because I wish to insult you personally
-your friendly BullsBlogger
Love has 11 points already
Another big man about to score his career high tonight
Why resort to name calling?
-Dionysus2.0
because I wish to insult you personally
-your friendly BullsBlogger
20 is his career high
Thank God McHale is dumb and just took him out.
Why resort to name calling?
-Dionysus2.0
because I wish to insult you personally
-your friendly BullsBlogger
If you guys really think about it, there really isn't a bad outcome for this game.
If we win, well it’s a win and we’ll take ’em were we can get ’em. If we lose (to the T Wolves, at home) it would be such a bad loss that it would almost ensure that Paxson would do something to shake this team up.
last time Pax shook things up
we ended up with Larry Hughes.
not disagreeing with you at all, but here’s hoping he does something positive for the team (like resign)
by darksmokepuncher on Jan 3, 2009 8:22 PM CST up reply actions
If we get blown out
Thats it, Paxson needs to fire VDN
This team really doesn't even try
When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer
Me too. He's really been pretty bad lately
When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer
this is ridiculous, ok 1 chicago bulls fanhood
for sale, anybody want this?
Priceless,
but not because it’s worth a lot.
"You remember the first time you picked up a basketball video game and you had no idea how to run plays, so you just gave the ball to your shooter and you ran around the court aimlessly until a defender was far enough away and then you jacked up a shot? THAT IS LARRY HUGHES!"
-Anonymous fan letter, heylarryhughespleasestoptakingsomanybadshots.com
What is this team doing on offense?
Do they run plays? Do they have a scheme at all?
Why resort to name calling?
-Dionysus2.0
because I wish to insult you personally
-your friendly BullsBlogger
They're coached by Vinny Del Negro
So who knows.
When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer
youre right
why would we want to take a higher percentage scoring chance?
k i've been watching the nfl wildcard games
can somebody fill me in on how the fuck we are down bye 12
Suit up the MJ Statue! It should be able to give us the interior defense we've been lacking! Get on it Pax!
Have you seen who's coaching the Bulls?
Let me introduce him to you: Mr. Vinny del Negro…
That’s what happened
thanks
i almost forgot all of those things
Suit up the MJ Statue! It should be able to give us the interior defense we've been lacking! Get on it Pax!
by chibullsfan03 on Jan 3, 2009 8:33 PM CST up reply actions
Tyrus. Wow.
When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer
as a guy who has backed aaron gray
he is missing a lot of easy post buckets. Post buckets are his sole purpose if he misses those he is useless.
If it wasn't for Tyrus play
the Bulls would be 10 more down.
The Game chose him !
Tyrus has been the lone bright spot in the game. Everyone else has been crap. Rose included: getting beat off the dribble
by Bassy Telfair is unacceptable.
by fundamentallysound on Jan 3, 2009 8:38 PM CST up reply actions
If it weren't for TT
this game would be completely unwatchable. Maybe he can spark us to a comeback. Or maybe VDN plays him 5 minutes the entire second half.
You see VINNY, when you play TWO BIG GUYS, THE OTHER FUCKING TEAM CAN’T SCORE INSIDE ALL FUCKING DAY! I don’t care if it’s any combo of TT/Noah/Gray. As long as it isn’t NOCE in that PF spot, especially with Gray at Center! Good God! This coaching staff is absolutely the most inept staff in the league!
by kwintz on Jan 3, 2009 8:38 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
what was he supposed to do
Rose shouldn’t have passed the ball to a covered player with 1 second left.
Kevin Martin had 45 pts. tonight
When you watch that guy it’s hard to see how he’s so good, he doesn’t exactly have the prettiest game. We can probably expect the same when he visits the UC in a few days.
Must be that David Thorpe tutelage!
When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer
quick vinny, bench tyrus!
he’s doing too good!
Suit up the MJ Statue! It should be able to give us the interior defense we've been lacking! Get on it Pax!
lol funk never gets anybodys position right on plays
Suit up the MJ Statue! It should be able to give us the interior defense we've been lacking! Get on it Pax!
Maybe i'm an idiot...
but I feel like we’re going to win this game.
i kinda wanna see
cimmons for noce or noah
Suit up the MJ Statue! It should be able to give us the interior defense we've been lacking! Get on it Pax!
and of course those 2
start playing well after i say that
Suit up the MJ Statue! It should be able to give us the interior defense we've been lacking! Get on it Pax!
by chibullsfan03 on Jan 3, 2009 9:30 PM CST up reply actions
if we break 100 comments...
can i get a free big mac? :D
Suit up the MJ Statue! It should be able to give us the interior defense we've been lacking! Get on it Pax!
by chibullsfan03 on Jan 3, 2009 9:34 PM CST up reply actions
I think the coaches need to put some kind
of communication device in Noc’s ear kinda like quarterback’s in the NFL. So when he’s dribbling out of control coaches can yell, “Slow down Noc!” or if he’s about to take a stupid three, “Pass the ball Noc!” I think it can help on so many levels.
So Tyrus has only played 25 minutes
when he has 8 blocks. Unbelievable.
When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer
hey larry
get the hell off the court
Suit up the MJ Statue! It should be able to give us the interior defense we've been lacking! Get on it Pax!
"don't you think McHale has some odd substitutions sometimes?" - Funk
isn’t that the pot calling the kettle black
WHERE IS TYRUS????!?!?!?!?!?!
I CAN’T FUCKING WATCH THIS ANYMORE
When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer
Yeah fuck VDN
I can’t BELIEVE he’s doing this.
TT is the only guy that can protect the basket but he’s been sitting for 8 straight minutes. Goddamnit. IT ISN’T ROCKET SCIENCE VINNY!
Does Vinny have money on the T-Wolves tonight?
Why resort to name calling?
-Dionysus2.0
because I wish to insult you personally
-your friendly BullsBlogger
Aaron Gray is costing us this game.
he has missed so many hella close baskets and he has so many fouls.
vinnys fault for giving him so many minutes
need some tyrus dammit
Suit up the MJ Statue! It should be able to give us the interior defense we've been lacking! Get on it Pax!
by chibullsfan03 on Jan 3, 2009 9:44 PM CST up reply actions
Terrible shot by Hughes
Why resort to name calling?
-Dionysus2.0
because I wish to insult you personally
-your friendly BullsBlogger
Really?
Terrible shots are par for the course for Larry un-Legend.
by Granny Waiters on Jan 3, 2009 9:46 PM CST up reply actions
everybody knew he was taking
that ill-advised shot. Good God. I hate this team minus Rose/BG/TT
hey hughes
go play a game of go hide and &*^% yourself
Suit up the MJ Statue! It should be able to give us the interior defense we've been lacking! Get on it Pax!
lol
"When I have the ball, I experiment." #5
by Sabonis4Ever on Jan 3, 2009 10:22 PM CST up reply actions
VDN sits Larry the entire 3rd
then plays him the entire 4th. Simply un-fucking-believable.
When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer
I'm not kidding around, I think he's a fucking idiot
by Juiceboxjerry on Jan 3, 2009 9:46 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
He has to be...right?
I mean, some all of this shit he pulls is just unbelievably stupid.
When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer
I almost hope they lose now
This type of horrible coaching really deserves to be punished.
Why resort to name calling?
-Dionysus2.0
because I wish to insult you personally
-your friendly BullsBlogger
Me too. Maybe this will wake Pax from his hibernation?
When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer
finally
tyrus is out there
Suit up the MJ Statue! It should be able to give us the interior defense we've been lacking! Get on it Pax!
brian cardinal
i don’t want to see another trade on this site involving him coming to the bulls..
that is our new cardinal rule!
see what i did there!?!
Suit up the MJ Statue! It should be able to give us the interior defense we've been lacking! Get on it Pax!
by chibullsfan03 on Jan 3, 2009 9:49 PM CST up reply actions
Noah's Vertical
Can Noah jump higher than 6 inches? His dunks are blocked by the rim…
I can't believe they're going to lose at home to the T-Wolves
Somebody needs to start a “Fire Vinny” website.
Why resort to name calling?
-Dionysus2.0
because I wish to insult you personally
-your friendly BullsBlogger
PISS PISS ASS ASS PISSASS
Suit up the MJ Statue! It should be able to give us the interior defense we've been lacking! Get on it Pax!
Why did it take so long to take Hughes out of the game
For a guy who has 7 blocks and was taking it to the basket
Because Vinny is scared of Hughes
Why resort to name calling?
-Dionysus2.0
because I wish to insult you personally
-your friendly BullsBlogger
You don't want to...you'd become stupider.
When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer
del harris prolly
Suit up the MJ Statue! It should be able to give us the interior defense we've been lacking! Get on it Pax!
by chibullsfan03 on Jan 3, 2009 9:52 PM CST up reply actions
I'll hate life if that happens
"If there’s any haters in here right now that don’t have nobody to hate on, feel free to hate on me." - A.P.N.S.
Pax should be made to coach this team.
What a shitty display tonight.
by Granny Waiters on Jan 3, 2009 9:55 PM CST up reply actions
Most crushing loss of the season...
WHAT A DEBACLE.
When Kevin McHale outcoaches you, you got problems
Why resort to name calling?
-Dionysus2.0
because I wish to insult you personally
-your friendly BullsBlogger
Screw this im goin 2 the movies
"If there’s any haters in here right now that don’t have nobody to hate on, feel free to hate on me." - A.P.N.S.
i'd throw popcorn at vinny's hair
and give him an earful
Suit up the MJ Statue! It should be able to give us the interior defense we've been lacking! Get on it Pax!
by chibullsfan03 on Jan 3, 2009 9:58 PM CST up reply actions
Anybody feeling really bad about this, probably shouldn't
This loss gives creedence to just how awful we’ve been. VDN can’t hide behind the schedule anymore
by Juiceboxjerry on Jan 3, 2009 9:56 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
"Not to make excuses, but we've had some injuries"
I love how he always says “Not to make excuses” right before he makes a pathetic excuse.
Why resort to name calling?
-Dionysus2.0
because I wish to insult you personally
-your friendly BullsBlogger
I'm actually kind of happy
Hopefully this forces change
When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer
I actually hope they lose the next 3
so it shows how bad Vinny really is.
When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer
what the hell
soooo glad my DVR failed and i only got to see the last 8 minutes (well, i turned it off with 33 seconds to go). hughes blew it. rose had started blowing by everyone and then he didn’t even get the ball on that one play. too many 3 pt attempts where we just needed to take it to the hole.
that and rose really needs to get some calls. guy gets fucking hammered.
i hate watching this team. TT was the lone bright spot today
by fundamentallysound on Jan 3, 2009 9:59 PM CST reply actions
The End of VDN
If this doesn’t vividly point out that this guy can NOT coach!
A NEW LOW!
Losing to Minn at home. OK.
Man…. I’m out of things to say about this team.
Horrible!
I'm still in disbelief on how he didn't put Tyrus in does he need to see his stat line
15 pts 4 asts 5 rebs 8blocks and he actually played with the team while he knows Larry disrupts any offensive flow.
Hughes is pretty much no good unless he can shoot and hes still a liability.
2-9 from the field and hes playing.
Wow
Couldn’t beat the T-Wolves at home. This is what happens when you hire a guy with no head coaching experience. Vinny has about a year and a half till he’s canned. Same with Pax. Should have known when the Bulls had soo much faith in Vinny that they hired two of the most experienced coaches in the league to baby sit him. If only Hubie sat next to Pax on the that return flight from China.
"Derrick Rose is like a $500,000 Maybach parked in the driveway of a $200,000 house in the middle of nowhere" - Bill Simmons
by RogersPark Kris on Jan 3, 2009 10:01 PM CST reply actions
2 more rebs and 2 more blocks
Fucking unbelievable.
When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer
Omer Asik where are you?
They need somebody down low!!!!
Him sitting Tyrus the first 10 minutes of the 4th quarter
and playing Hughes all that time lost us the game. He should be fired on the spot.
When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer
he and Pax both need to go for this team to take a step forward
by fundamentallysound on Jan 4, 2009 12:51 AM CST up reply actions
Do you think JR even cares though?
When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer
no, because his bottom line is unaffected... until Bulls fans stop showing up to games
he won’t make a move
by fundamentallysound on Jan 4, 2009 1:02 AM CST up reply actions
At least they were booing tonight!
When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer
they can boo all they want, until they start boycotting and not buying tickets
and merchandise, the chairman (and his wallet) will be able to ignore them rather easily.
by fundamentallysound on Jan 4, 2009 1:22 AM CST up reply actions
I don't know why he'd want to wait until then either
but then again I don’t know why Vinny was hired or why we traded for Hughes
why put a good team out there when the fans show up even for a shit product?
that’s why the team will never improve until fans stop showing up.
by fundamentallysound on Jan 4, 2009 4:10 PM CST up reply actions
Hmmm maybe I should move to LA
Everyone is probably still looking back at how lucky we were to get Jordan.
why can't I be GM?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 4, 2009 1:43 AM CST up reply actions
As long as you can trade Hughes for something worthwhile,
like a bag of practice balls or a case of trainer’s tape.
by Granny Waiters on Jan 4, 2009 5:47 AM CST up reply actions
Tyrus had 15 pts, 8 rebs, 8 blocks, 4 asts, 2 steals
WOW.
When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer
oh wow I read his stats wrong I didn't know he was that close to a triple double @_@
Which only gives me more of a headache trying to see what VDN saw this game. This has got to be the stupidest thing hes done all season.
just to add
ZERO – turnovers
2- Personal Fouls
7-7 Free Throw
I vote for Thomas to play, play more and play regularly.-Sam Smith
Someone show Vinny your sig, please.
When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer
When you shoot 39 percent
Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Jan 3, 2009 10:17 PM CST up reply actions
bahahahahahaha
This is just hilarious. Just fucking unbelievable.
“The Tyrus Thomas era needs to end” should be changed to “this is what happens when your owner is cheap as hell, your GM is a dumbass, and you hire someone with no head coaching experience whatsoever to run a team that is full of fragile egos.”
The Bulls are a laughingstock on par with the Warriors, Wolves, Thunder, and the Wizards this year. What a joke of a team.
Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
He will mention Gooden and Miss Deng being out
I really wonder, do they win with Gooden and/or Miss Deng in the lineup tonight?
Bah... The Bulls were getting their butts kicked with Tyrus in quarters 1, 2 and 3.
They got their butt kicked in quarter 4 without him. I don’t see that he made much difference tonight. The McHales had their way with us on our home court.
De gustibus non est disputandum
Right.....
So because they weren’t winning with him on the court, it’s ok to leave him on the bench because there are far superior players to replace him?
The Bulls were going to lose because they were shooting horribly. The loss is more of an example of how the Bulls are run by someone who has the intelligence of a retarded chimp.
Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Jan 3, 2009 10:33 PM CST up reply actions
I just think this is closer to the mark
The Bulls were going to lose because they were shooting horribly… not because we didn’t play Tyrus in the fourth quarter.
The complete statement I’d agree with is that the Bulls were going to lose because they were shooting horribly and because they allowed the Wolves to score at will inside.
Tyrus, just like Noah, Gray and Noc didn’t stop anyone. They don’t box out anyone. There’s really not a lot of difference in any of them in the sense that, at the end of the day, none of them get the very basic, fundamental job of being an NBA big man done.
De gustibus non est disputandum
Can you honestly say that leaving Tyrus out in the 4th quarter was a good coaching move?
When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer
Also
He was playing the bigs fine and helping off his man as well. In the fourth there was a stretch of good defense and bad decisions by the Wolves.
Hughes had at least 2 shots that were ill advised-contested and got the Wolves back on the other side to score.
The whole game Tyrus was taking it to the basket and made his shots from the perimeter. We had a line up of what Rose-Gordon-Hughes- Noce-Noah I think and it was worse than that before.
Tyrus was playing great…kept us in it and was just creating opportunities for us on both sides. There were even some good stops late still but guys were clumsy with rebounds.
I think having if we don’t have Hughes and Noch at 3 and 4 we are better off it’ll be a way better balance.
You're missing the point
I’m not saying it was good, I’m saying it had no effect on the outcome.
Suppose the captain of the Titanic, after it struck the iceberg, rearranged the deck chairs to spell out the “Screw U Iceberg!” Would the ship still sink?
Suppose the captain of the Bulls put Tyrus in most of the fourth. Would the Bulls still lose? Probably.
Would Tyrus fair much better, despite his blocks, at helping the Bulls actually control the glass or stop the entire Wolves frontcourt from going off on us? I don’t see much evidence he would, since he did very little of that in quarters 1-3.
De gustibus non est disputandum
Ok thats not really what happened he did fine in the first 3 quarters
Again Hughes being in there so long he forced 2 shots while we were in good striking distance and the momentum shifted. Tyrus was just on today and was making all the right moves and decisions.
If he was in there would of been a better balance. Instead we had larry in there trying to be a hero and guys having to pass to Gray and Noah. When Thomas could of made something happen going to the rim.
Theres no question it would of had some outcome on the game. Cause Al Jefferson and Love both were afraid to put shots up cause Thomas was killing guys. Would we have won or loss you can never say that. But were we put in the best position to win the game no way.
At the end of the game we were playing fine defensively and they were botching things up. If we have thomas we then get way more versatility and don’t have Hughes disrupting the offense.
Um, I think you're missing the point.
Do you realize we probably would have been getting blown out in the first 3 quarters if Tyrus wasn’t in the game? He was wreaking havoc on the defensive end and both scoring and creating opportunities for others on the offensive end. If he wasn’t playing in the first 3 quarters, it would have been really ugly. I’m not sure if you’re really this anti-Tyrus or you didn’t pay attention throughout the game. He was the main reason we were close for a good majority of the time. But okay.
When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer
They are awful at defense, I will never dispute that
I will dispute that he didn’t contribute to a possible win. Bad defense or not, leaving him on the bench was abhorrently stupid. There is no viable alternative to Tyrus at the PF spot right now. And when he’s playing well (by his standards)……then what else can you do?
Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Jan 3, 2009 10:48 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah,
15-8-8 is an awful game for most PF’s.
"You remember the first time you picked up a basketball video game and you had no idea how to run plays, so you just gave the ball to your shooter and you ran around the court aimlessly until a defender was far enough away and then you jacked up a shot? THAT IS LARRY HUGHES!"
-Anonymous fan letter, heylarryhughespleasestoptakingsomanybadshots.com
Now this is just stupid.
Let’s leave the one guy who’s playing ANY defense on the bench during the most critical point of the game!!!!!! Sounds like a great idea!!!!!!
When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer
i was flipping back and forth between this shit show and football but....
didn’t we make our run to go up by one in the first half of the 4th quarter?
i mean i hate larry and all but our bench was getting the job done and brought us back from down ten…right?
Sometimes a player's greatest challenge is coming to grips with his role on the team.
-- Scottie Pippen
by Orlando Woolridge on Jan 3, 2009 11:15 PM CST up reply actions
Hughes was doing ok at first I think he assited Noce twice in the fourth for 3
but he was still the one taking the minutes thomas could of played then had his 2 contested shots where we could of built a lead and then where we could of taken the lead back.
they all fucking suck
we would have lost no matter what
we might as well lose more games so Pax trades everyone and Vinny gets fired
Sometimes a player's greatest challenge is coming to grips with his role on the team.
-- Scottie Pippen
by Orlando Woolridge on Jan 3, 2009 11:19 PM CST up reply actions
Theres still no question to me we would of been in a way better position to win the game if he was in
We weren’t getting rebounds and ball movement wasn’t as fluid.
And we have Gray or Noah in who are way too soft down there but still had a chance to win the game.
good
the worse we play the sooner vinny gets fired and we can blow up this epic group of losers
Sometimes a player's greatest challenge is coming to grips with his role on the team.
-- Scottie Pippen
by Orlando Woolridge on Jan 3, 2009 11:25 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
And did you even look at his stat line?
He put up 15 points, 8 rebounds, 8 BLOCKS, 4 assists, and 2 steals, and ZERO turnovers
You don’t think that’s making a difference on the court? You realize that Larry Hughes was basically in there in his place, right?
When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer
Dude he eats in the locker room
before games.
Wow the Bulls have become the Clippers!
by ImmanuelKant on Jan 3, 2009 10:56 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, I appreciate the 8 blocks
but again, the basic thing he and every other Bulls big man needed to do, he didn’t do worth a damn. Without having a clue how to box out, rotate and help, blocks are like a racing stripe on a beater.
Again, I’m not discounting them entirely… but I just can’t look at that and say he did well when everything was so bad.
If you want, I’ll pipe in that I put no stock whatsoever in Noah collecting a bunch of points and rebounds the last couple games either, on the way to getting completely destroyed.
The “sign of progress” I want to see is us not letting other teams run layup drills.
De gustibus non est disputandum
That makes no sense
If it was one or two blocks and just out of no where sure. But he was helping on defense and he was grabbing rebounds and help tipping them as well.
I just can’t believe that someone would think the outcome of the game would be written in stone either way. If the player who was playing the best that night isn’t on the floor for the majority of the 4th quarter especially when we’re within 1 and 3 for that long stretch. That was blown by ill advised shots.
Not written in stone, but fluky
An 8 block night is a fluky thing.
A 0 box out night, for a Bulls big man, is downright routine, and much more conducive to losing.
De gustibus non est disputandum
Hmmm
At first yeah those blocks were just like “well who cares their about to score again later” but it had an effect on how Al and Love approached the game and just their whole team.
Having the guy who was playing best on both sides by a clear mile on the floor when we were see sawing for the lead no doubt puts us in a good position to win the game. He had around what 7 rebounds 7blocks after 3. That would of been pretty productive.
You don't think 8 blocks gets into the heads of the opponents?
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I have to agree
As good as his help-side blocks were, I thought he did a poor job of defending/boxing-out Kevin Love. 18 and 12 in only 21 minutes?
"Derrick Rose is like a $500,000 Maybach parked in the driveway of a $200,000 house in the middle of nowhere" - Bill Simmons
by RogersPark Kris on Jan 3, 2009 11:06 PM CST up reply actions
Again I thought he did fine
If we’re within 1 with like 4-5 minutes left thats pretty good then. Also the number of shots he blocked if he didn’t block them whats that about 16 pts.
Then you have his output on the offensive in along side the extra opportunities he was making on defense. If we had him in the game I don’t see how anyone thinks we aren’t in a better position to win the game rather than having Hughes at the 3 and Noch at 4. We would of been better balanced.
Didn't watch the game tonight but
don’t let these games by Tyrus fool you. He sucks. Let me remind you they played the Twolves and lost. One good game every 5 doesn’t cut the cheese. He’s been in the league 3 years now?
I hate to say he may become the player we all had hoped some day but not in a Bulls uni.
Wow the Bulls have become the Clippers!
yes, let's rid our roster of players who have some form of promise
nocioni needs more tick at power forward.
also recent games against Detroit and Atlanta do not count.
he sucks because he doesn’t get all star stats in less than 20 minutes a game and will never get better on a team with derrick rose handling the ball.
he’s 22 years old. he should have figured every nuance of basketball by now, especially having started playing organized ball his junior year of high school.
About the argument of ty in the game or not
Yes he should have…even if the bulls were gonna lose that game with tyrus in the game, he should have stayed in the game…
its a coaching rule that should be, well basic….if a player is playing well, keep them in the game. This is now at least the 3rd time vdn has done this. First it was when bg7 went for 18 in the FIRST DAMN QUARTER…he was sat down. Next was yesterday, mr thabo came out of his shell, and especially after his great looking dunk (which didnt count but portrayed what he could/should be) was sat down for playing too well. And now tyrus, with a great effort sits down.
Maybe tyrus is a failed project but that doesnt matter, as a coach one should portray this message, if you play hard for me, if you give me positives from your game, you should remain in the game.
I liked skiles, he pulled guys but at least there was a reason, missed an assignment, didnt follow the play right, were not playing your role or your strength….but boylan and vdn have me confused, whats the reason for subbing?
my only logical explanation is minutes. In 2k9 (sorry guys) if you have rotation subs on, the cpu automatically subs your players depending on how many minutes per game you assigned for each player. Its annoying cuz in close games sometimes real crappy players will be put into the game because they need thier minutes. Or maybe ill have one player who is just on fire and is close to hitting a new milestone, but because im winning the cpu will decide to put in some bench players so they can get thier minutes. I wonder if thats what vdn does. In fact, i wouldnt be surprised if half of vdns plays and coaching book came from 2k9….maybe he is hoping the real rose is much like his video game counterpart, doesnt get tired and is unstoppable….
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, Bullshooter, and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light....
HA!
oh the nostalgia
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, Bullshooter, and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light....
On the bright side, after losses to the Kings, Whiz and Thundercats
in the next week, the Cows can go back to losing to decent teams. Much less embarrassing.
Amen
It may get a bit better when Luol Deng and Drew Gooden return from ankle injuries, perhaps in a week or so, and Kirk Hinrich comes back from thumb surgery in maybe two weeks. But now with six losses in the last seven and at 14-20 and nearing midseason in a downward spiral, it’s not time to give up on the season. But it is time to begin preparing for the future.
Tyrus Thomas, who had 15 points, eight rebounds and eight blocks in a wonderfully active performance, starts and plays at least 30 minutes every game.
With Thomas playing weak side defense like Ben Wallace of five years ago and running the court, I was even glad to see Thomas take a few jumpers. That should be the message. Play defense and run the court, pick up some garbage points and you’ll get rewarded with jump shots. That’s the way it works. I can see Thomas buying in.
Aaron Gray. C’mon, that’s over with. He tries. He’s not a quitter. He’s just not an NBA starter and never will be. Get him out of there. Joakim Noah had five points, eight rebounds and five fouls in a bit less than 15 minutes. Yes, he gets way too many fouls because he gets pushed around because he is so weak and out of shape. So every day at practice he doesn’t practice. He runs. And then he starts. Plays at least 30 minutes, or how long six fouls will take him. He’s at least an athlete. If someone finally teaches him to stop bringing down the ball after every rebound and getting stripped all the time, he can average those 13 or 14 points he did in college. And he’ll run himself into 10 rebounds if he can stay out there. And finish strong! Everytime. C’mon, he had one shot blocked late in the third quarter by Kevin Love, who couldn’t jump over Beach Boys sheet music. Wouldn’t it be nice?
Larry Hughes. Bench, baby! For the remainder.
The guy’s selfish whining is en embarrassment. Who does he think he is? They hated him so much in Cleveland they still were booing him Friday with a 30-point lead. Let him mope making his team most $12.8 million this season.
Why resort to name calling?
-Dionysus2.0
because I wish to insult you personally
-your friendly BullsBlogger
heh, Sam hits the right tone re: Aaron Gray
“C’mon”
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 4, 2009 2:00 AM CST up reply actions
Gray could have his uses for the team,
like “accidentally” elbowing Hughes in the head every time Larry chucks a bad shot.
by Granny Waiters on Jan 4, 2009 5:52 AM CST up reply actions
I wonder if Sam's contract with the Bulls requires him to stay and watch the whole game,
no matter how bad?
by Granny Waiters on Jan 4, 2009 10:26 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
He should renegotiate if it does
Unrelatedly, have you ever noticed Smith is the only guy that has the
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disclaimer at the top?
I wonder if that means Chuck Swirsky is the official voice of the Bulls? :D
De gustibus non est disputandum
I was worried that Sam wouldn't be allowed to be too critical when he agreed to write for Bulls.com
I guess we don’t have to worry about that.
Why resort to name calling?
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because I wish to insult you personally
-your friendly BullsBlogger
I'd like to see more ink devoted to Nocioni's atrocious defense
It’s one thing to push him to start at the 3 for the injured Deng, but his defense at the 4 in the Cavs and Wolves game was just awful. He constantly leaves his man when he doesn’t have to. He regularly turns his head towards any opponent that gets in the paint allowing his man to cut back door, roam the baseline to receive, or flush out to the perimeter for a wide open shot attempt. The only thing preventing Noc from looking like a 50 year blind man is the relatively poor play from our opponents ball handler not finding Noc’s man on every possession.
Get Simmons out there. The man can dunk. Noah starts. Simmons is the backup. We have to have a big that can catch and dunk on every penetration into the paint. Gordon, Rose, and even Noc are getting into the paint, getting the ball to our center, and watching their weak shot attempt get challenged or blocked. We have to make these shots. Dunk attempts on all of them.
Larry Hughes cannot play in the NBA. He cannot finish near the rim. He cannot take contact and put up any respectable shot. His jumpshot is voodoo productivity. He also takes Noc’s defensive pills and snoozes his man into a good offensive performance. He doesn’t deserve 1 minute ahead of Thabo. I don’t care how poor Thabo is. He’s twice the finisher at the rim to Hughes. He’s long enough defensively to provide help d or force his man into tough shots.
I give these changes two weeks to occur. If they don’t, I’m going to devote 99% of my comments to the “Fire Vinny. Fire Paxson.” chorus.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
VDN and Pax need to lay down the law with Hughes.
Start chucking shots, and you sit the rest of the game.
Complain to the media about playing time or disrupt the team, you sit the next game.
Disrupt the team like Bum Wallace did, you get “Tim Thomased”.
by Granny Waiters on Jan 4, 2009 3:42 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
This should be so obvious to VDN/Pax
yet somehow it seems to be too much to ask from those two idiotic boneheads.
When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer
Noce has no business playing 4's.
He’s 6’8", (about an inch or 2 shorter than Deng), doesn’t really jump very high and isn’t the most athletic of forwards. Blaming him being unable to guard Garnett or Duncan or Stoudemire is like like blaming DRose for being unable to guard Kobe or Paul Pierce or Lebron.
VDN should stop playing Noce at the 4 (and the 5 , fer Gawd’s sake!). Use him at the 3 where he, at least, has a chance (a small one, but a chance) of being able to guard the other guy.
by PatBull on Jan 4, 2009 7:21 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Yes.
Recced.
"You remember the first time you picked up a basketball video game and you had no idea how to run plays, so you just gave the ball to your shooter and you ran around the court aimlessly until a defender was far enough away and then you jacked up a shot? THAT IS LARRY HUGHES!"
-Anonymous fan letter, heylarryhughespleasestoptakingsomanybadshots.com
There's no reason Noc cannot be asked to guard
Varejao or Ben Wallace. Duncan, Amare, Garnett? Please. Nobody is expecting Noc to guard these players. If Noc gets burned by them it’s fine. Those guys burn first team all-defense performers.
It’s the offensive scrubs that burn Noc that make my blood boil. Moving Noc to the 3 full time is a recipe for disaster. He’ll want to guard the 3s from 40 feet in as they simply dribble past him and tear up our defensive rotation. The only real threes Noc can guard are guys like Kapono or Bruce Bowen as they’re asked to camp in the corners.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
So then who the hell does he guard?
A player’s intangibles and hustle really become a moot point when you can’t even find a decent reason to put him on the court.
Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Jan 5, 2009 12:09 PM CST up reply actions
Then he should only get in when those guys are there.
That makes everyone happy, right?
LOL at the Kevin Love crack
But, man, at least he knows how to play basketball. He clears space, boxes out, sets the pick when and where he should. These seem like such basic skills…until you watch us play.
by California Al on Jan 4, 2009 6:57 PM CST up reply actions
Sam should coach this team.
Well my question is why Paxson isn’t forcing Vinny to play Noah and Tyrus together. I mean Aaron Gray should not be on this roster really.
It just makes me mad that Vinny sold Paxson a bunch of BS and Paxson doesn’t have the balls to make Vinny leave Noah and Tyrus out there.
Why are Hughes and Gray getting so many minutes? Was it Vinny who said he wanted to run with Noah and Thomas? Some people will say anything to get a job right?
Wow the Bulls have become the Clippers!
I wonder how much...
extra satisfaction Larry Hughes gets when he not only gets his minutes but he takes them from a young guy playing well and he gets to brick some clutch shots?
I’m guessing Larry will award Vinny and extra gold star or two for this performance.
Please Pax,
make this happen before we play the Thundercats. Petro and Wilkins could be bought out, and Watson could be third string.
by Granny Waiters on Jan 4, 2009 5:39 AM CST up reply actions
Aaron Gray
I can’t take this.
Another idiot calls Aaaron for the loss is gonna cause me to lose my mind.
He was 4 for 9…not exactly a game killer.
BUT these WERE!
Gordon 7 for 21!
Hughes 2 for 9!
Noah 2 for 6.
OK…Noah sucks at, well everything. He hops and flops and can’t wall out anybody.
The were doing great getting it in to Gray, then he passed or shot.
Come on!
THEY stopped.
The guards just can’t pass up a bad jump shot.
People! We shot 39 PERCENT against THIS TEAM??
Please…the coach doesn’t know how to confront the guards when they start going off on their own.
Give it up, Man!
Give in to the (idiot) majority already!
Aaaron is killing this team with his slowness. Aaaron is killing the Bulls with his slowness. Aaaron, slowly but surely, is killing the team ever, ever so slowly….
Repeat after us: He is slow….He is slow….He is slow….He is slow….He is slow….He is….
"As a basketball player gordon is a useless as tits on a a whore" - BigWay (Dec 2, 2008). BigWank, I'll miss you more than all the others. This song is for you, my brother!
Could you please retire the tired voice in the wilderness trope?
Maybe it’s all those extra As in his name that slow him down.
In any case, he’s not killing this team with his slowness. The coach and the other players that have not met expectations are killing this team with Aaron Gray’s slowness.
De gustibus non est disputandum
It's approaching the impossible
to retain Vinny Del Negro at this point. You can’t lose to the Timberwolves on your home court. And you certainly cannot lose to them as a followup to a horrible performance the night prior in Cleveland.
If there was one game VDN had to win all season it was last night. He lost it by 10.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
I hope that you're right...
because getting rid of this woefully under-equipt coach is the only chance the Bulls have of turning the momentum around, and actually beginning to build a real team, and develop D. Rose.
by badnewsintennisshoes on Jan 4, 2009 2:46 PM CST up reply actions
NBA Observer has nailed why VDN is morphing into B^%l#n.
Watching the coaching this year is like watching a rerun of the Night of the Living Dead. I know Vinny and Pax preach development but than do the opposite. Vinny is so overmatched due to abysmal inexperience at any level, he panics and hopes his veterans will bail him out regardless of the mismatches he creates with his unbearable Boylan like lineups.
All the Tyrus bashers keep emphasizing what a bust he is although without his help defense the Bulls opponents would be setting scoring records almost every night. NBA Observer pointed out clearly why Noce and Hughes results do not measure up to their activity. Rose being a rookie, can be excused for his miserable defense and Gordon is who we thought he was.
Sure, Noah and TT get caught out of position but their effort and athleticism make up for a lot of their mistakes and Tyrus was a beast last night. It would help if Rose and/or Gordon would recognize Tyrus when he’s cutting to the rim once in awhile. On those rare occassions when they do, it usually results in either a foul (offensive or defensive) or a basket. Has anyone pointed out that since 12/1 Thomas is shooting 50% from the field and 90% from the charity stripe? And a bunch of fools here want to get rid of him and keep our crap. He’s only 22 and has had very little professional coaching, so take the blinders off. His upside potential is higher than anyone on the roster with the exception of Rose, that is if he is allowed to grow and learn without having to constantly look over his shoulder worrying if the assclowns are going to punish him for whatever transgression they choose. He had zero turnovers last night, folks, I repeat ZERO turnovers.
I know, sometimes Tyrus is moody and lethargic but maybe that’s because he is weak from not being allowed to snack before the games. This is the type of rule other than banning headbands, that bring NBA championships to teams being coached by novices. We can all give Gray an A for effort, but even when he does execute, he will be the last player in the league to ever get a call to go his way because it takes him so long to execute and the referees refuse to cut him any slack.
There must have been a reason that Simmons was such a high draft pick. In his rare opportunities to play, he shows he can finish strongly at the rim and is a definite upgrade in defense with his shot blocking and rebounding skills. It’s time to get him off the bench and play some center or at least some 4 when the Bulls actually have a lead or need a defensive stop. Our guards make everyone an all star and they really have to learn how to take advantage of Tyrus’s athleticism and pay attention to the cutters instead of always looking for their shot first.
Big shot Larry the leper (not leaper) is back to his norm with a 3 for 16 performance the last 2 nights, Ben went back to selfish Ben, and once Rose got hot, why didn’t they just let him take over instead of Hughes firing up atrocious shots with no chance of any offensive rebounds when his air ball or clanker missed badly. Please, can someone give me one rational explanation why he played the entire 4th quarter with Tyrus on the bench in what was probably his best game of the season? I am beginning to wonder if I am going to have to change my signin to IdespiseVinnyNoGutsClueless.
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by Tyrusmancrush on Jan 4, 2009 2:53 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
It is still amazing to me why he was in that game
Tyrus at the 4 give you 4 guys who can drive and possibly shoot on the perimeter and you get better defensively. I thought Tyrus was playing fine this season though sometimes he isn’t thinking straight but not many guys on the team are. (also I hope at least that Vinny will stop encouraging him to take jumpers)
Also agree on Simmons
Are you serious
about him being weak because he might not get a snack before the game? He’s not in kindergarten for god’s sake. He’s a grown man and I’m sure he makes sure he eats well on game days. I like TT but man all these excuses are over the top.
exactly
that excuse is terrible. Even Kendall Gill said they are allowed to eat a power bar or popcorn (or PBJ if you’re Gordon). Tyrusmancrush just stop it.
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Sorry Sue369. I meant my comment about TT not being allowed to eat to be a satirical remark.
I thought my wife was a literalist, but I can see that she is not alone. It was supposed to be meant as an apparently, lame attempt to point out with sarcasm and so called wit, the equally lame attempt by VDN to take charge and show he is the boss by ranting about Noah, Larry and Tyrus breaking the rule of having a Snickers bar before the big game. His time may have been better spent trying to teach his philosopy on how to defend in the paint and box out for a rare offensive rebound.
I agree completely with your point that Thomas is not in kindergarten and Vinny should therefore act more like an NBA coach and teacher than a kindergarten nanny. Immaturity breeds further immaturity and this can go both ways. I have a feeling that VDN may be losing the respect of the team regardless of his good intention to be a players coach, because they are aware he is not only a paper tiger, but also that he is clueless as well.
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by Tyrusmancrush on Jan 4, 2009 4:48 PM CST up reply actions
I'm just tired of all of this
falling on Vinny. These players are grown men (except Derrick but he acts years older than TT and Noah) and should act like it. It gets really old that some think these poor players are being picked on. They are being paid millions of dollars to show up on time, show up in shape and act ike professionals.
from a Hinrich booster, "professionalism" rings hollow.
Hinrich and his moping are decidedly not professional.
by fundamentallysound on Jan 4, 2009 5:40 PM CST up reply actions
Has he been fined
for moping? Has he been fined by the organization? Do you hear about him violating team policies or being late or not show up for practice? I’ll take moping over all this other crap any day.
he'll never get fined
as Paxson will never get fired. Performance matters not. ;)
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 4, 2009 7:02 PM CST up reply actions
Hinrich's fan approval
seems disproportionate to his on the court play. The same is true for Nocioni.
by Granny Waiters on Jan 4, 2009 8:30 PM CST up reply actions
that's like saying that just because I've never been fined for speeding
that I’ve committed no crime. Just because management likes Kirk and refuses to punish him for his insolence and whining doesn’t make it any more professional.
by fundamentallysound on Jan 4, 2009 7:52 PM CST up reply actions
What proof of Kirk being a whiny person exists?
Other than his sourpuss routine after picking up 2 fouls in the 1st quarter or showing his mouthguard who’s boss, I can’t say I’ve ever heard/saw Hinrich being upset.
Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Jan 4, 2009 8:02 PM CST up reply actions
I agree
my frustration with Kirk is that he was terrible all season, the mopey act was just something fun to rip on :)
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 4, 2009 8:20 PM CST up reply actions
Moping and not showing
up for practice, not showing up in shape, mouthing off to the coach are totally different things. If you can’t see that that’s your problem.
I'm with you on this one
Little details like this can indicate how much a person’s into their job. If you’re really excited about a sport you play, haven’t you figured out the best pregame eating schedule long before you hit the NBA? Vinnie has made his opinion very clear on TT and JN’s issues…they appear to not care enough to prepare, and this might have symptomatic.
by California Al on Jan 4, 2009 7:04 PM CST up reply actions
Maybe JR can save face by promoting VDN upstairs to be Pax's primary assisant?
Pax needs to trade ANYONE who causes trouble or stops playing hard.
by Granny Waiters on Jan 4, 2009 4:08 PM CST up reply actions
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