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Remember when I proposed a (shitty) trade with the Suns for Stoudemire. Matt call me crazy. Well, if this story is true - I repeat: if this story is true -, maybe I'm not so crazy after all. Start working on the trade machine

"At various times this season, the Suns have conveyed a willingness to move backup point guard Leandro Barbosa -- another D'Antoni favorite -- if the right deal came along. Given Phoenix's lackluster play of late, CBSSports.com has learned that the organization might now be open to considering a much bigger deal -- one involving Stoudemire".

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Just came here to post this...

I’d throw them anything on our roster aside from Rose. Draft picks, and cash, too. Whatever it takes.

When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer

by Illini15 on Jan 24, 2009 1:26 PM CST reply actions  

Not with our first rounder...

Not that it’s going to be overly valuable, but it could be valuable on draft night in moving Larry Hughes…right

" I've looked at these numbers and decided the #1 problem

is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger

by Dionysus2.0 on Jan 24, 2009 7:10 PM CST up reply actions  

Agreed.

I added that right at the end, thinking people might have thought it was to little(without it), even though I dont really think it is. But I would like to see it used in a trade.

by TruEChiFaN... on Jan 24, 2009 9:43 PM CST up reply actions  

If the bulls do try to make a play for Amare

they would most likely have to give up Hinrich to address Phoenix’s longtime problem of having a true backup point guard to Nash and then maybe throw in some young blood in Noah to see how he develops alongside Robin Lopez

heres how i see it (although i highly doubt the Bulls do it)
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=1711198132242456304121661727&teams=21212121444&te=336:4-788&cash=

by Rose1 on Jan 24, 2009 3:15 PM CST reply actions  

Is Kerr trying to surpass Pax and MJ as the dumbest ex-Bull GM?

Why resort to name calling?
-Dionysus2.0

because I wish to insult you personally
-your friendly BullsBlogger

by Big D on Jan 24, 2009 4:13 PM CST reply actions  

At least Kerr went for it

Paxson would’ve traded Amare for Jermaine O’Neal, then sat on the roster for five years.

by YaoPau on Jan 24, 2009 9:42 PM CST up reply actions  

LOL

So sad, but yet so true….

by majoyenrac on Jan 26, 2009 12:17 PM CST up reply actions  

how about this

Bulls trade: Deng, Gooden, Noah and 1st rd pick in 2009 or 2010

Suns trade: Amare

Bulls lineup

Rose – Hinrich
Gordon – Hinrich
Sefolosha – Nocioni
Thomas – Nocioni
Amare – Gray

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=2429171132241727&teams=2121214&te=&cash=

You would probably have to let Gordon walk and pick up a veteran shooting guard or small forward in free agency. I would give the Suns Noah or Thomas (or both) but Noah works on the trade machine without the Suns having to give up any other players. They receive 2 young players and a pick and a expiring contract for a player it doesn’t seem like they like or want to resign. If they move Nash or Shaq they can rebuild there team with lots of young players very quickly. (Shaq in San Antonio, New Orleans or Cleveland? Nash in Houston, New York or Orlando?)

The next step of course would be to get a competent coach who would get these guys respect right away and preach defense. But it would be a dramatic improvement over the situation we have now.

by Basketball Smurf on Jan 24, 2009 4:39 PM CST reply actions  

I don't know about playing Amare at Center...

His defensive prowess rivals Drew Gooden’s…secondly, he is best suited for the PF spot offensively…I think the better trade is to send them Thomas…then we can keep Noah to help cover the defensive liability that is Amare Stoudemire…besides, the Suns already have their Joakim Noah in Robin Lopez….one could say that Tyrus Thomas is a broke man’s Amare…he only needs to develop, right?

" I've looked at these numbers and decided the #1 problem

is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger

by Dionysus2.0 on Jan 24, 2009 7:15 PM CST up reply actions  

This deal is never going to happen, but if it did, you pull the trigger and figure out positions later.

by Stay Chisel on Jan 24, 2009 8:05 PM CST up reply actions  

Okay.

So if its never going happen, why did you reply?

Amare is a bad defender, the least we could do is pair him with someone who is a willing defender with the promise of improving while playing his natural PF position…

" I've looked at these numbers and decided the #1 problem

is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger

by Dionysus2.0 on Jan 24, 2009 10:24 PM CST up reply actions  

i agree

but i just think Noah has more value so I went with the higher value player. Once we have amare, we can worry about positions later. He did play C for the Suns on a few high 50 win teams before they got Shaq however.

by Basketball Smurf on Jan 25, 2009 9:21 AM CST up reply actions  

Noah is waaaaaaaaay better than Lopez.

Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!

by tyger1147 on Jan 26, 2009 8:39 AM CST up reply actions  

And way older.

" I've looked at these numbers and decided the #1 problem

is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger

by Dionysus2.0 on Jan 26, 2009 9:16 AM CST up reply actions  

He is three years older.

And in terms of basketball development at that age, there is a difference between a 20 year old player and a 23 year old player.

" I've looked at these numbers and decided the #1 problem

is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger

by Dionysus2.0 on Jan 26, 2009 3:59 PM CST up reply actions  

That deal sucks for the Bulls...

We trade three good defenders for one guy who doesn’t defend…while I am not opposed to any of those guys going in the deal, trading all three would be terrible…

" I've looked at these numbers and decided the #1 problem

is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger

by Dionysus2.0 on Jan 24, 2009 10:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Are you kidding me?

When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer

by Illini15 on Jan 25, 2009 1:00 PM CST up reply actions  

You are kind of a tool with that reply.

" I've looked at these numbers and decided the #1 problem

is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger

by Dionysus2.0 on Jan 26, 2009 9:17 AM CST up reply actions  

You're kind of a tool in regards to Gordon.

Tooliness begets tooliness.

Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!

by tyger1147 on Jan 26, 2009 3:52 PM CST up reply actions  

I disagree.

I am not one to bring Ben Gordon into every discussion, especially when its not about Gordon. I have a fairly consistent opinion of him, one that is not shared by you.

" I've looked at these numbers and decided the #1 problem

is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger

by Dionysus2.0 on Jan 26, 2009 4:01 PM CST up reply actions  

Not kidding...

The Bulls are a bad defensive team and trading three of our better defenders for a terrible defender does not make them better…

" I've looked at these numbers and decided the #1 problem

is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger

by Dionysus2.0 on Jan 26, 2009 9:19 AM CST up reply actions  

Does netting a perrenial all star...

And probable beast in the east make us better?

If I found out that we passed on Amare for Kirk, Tyrus, and Thabo I would most likely break something.

Nocioni has an Olympic gold medal, a bronze medal and a EuroLeague MVP, and now… His legs are broken! Coming to an arena near you.

by Khalid El-Amin on Jan 26, 2009 9:59 AM CST up reply actions  

I see your point Dionysus

to a degree, we are a godawful defensive team, but a lot of that also is because Rose is a rookie (and he will get better with his athleticism and work ethic) and 2) mostly because our offense is so perimeter focused that teams don’t have to utilize any of their post energy against our guards……instead we focus a lot of energy on the other end to make up for teh fact that we have nothing inside on the O end.

Amare with Rose and likely Gordon would be a fantastic trio in the East or West. Amare might not be a consistent defender, but he can defend in stretches, and even if he can’t he’s one of the best PF/C offensive players in this league.

In a heartbeat I’d trade anyone sand Rose for Stoudemire.

by majoyenrac on Jan 26, 2009 12:22 PM CST up reply actions  

Since they'd still have Noah...

…they can go and get defensive guys at SG and SF. Those are cheaper.

Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!

by tyger1147 on Jan 26, 2009 3:52 PM CST up reply actions  

Done and Done

But the Bulls better not resign Aaron Gray.

by majoyenrac on Jan 26, 2009 12:18 PM CST up reply actions  

I would give 'me anything on our team (minus Rose)

As long as Amare agreed to an extension prior to the trade. There’s no way you can trade 3 of our guys just for a one year rental. I’m sure Kerr would want to start with Hinrich and Deng in any trade.

"One thing I do know is teams like a lot of our pieces. That's not to say they want to give us a lot of players in return, but I know they like a lot of our pieces." - John Paxson (1/21/09)

by Juiceboxjerry on Jan 24, 2009 7:19 PM CST reply actions  

I'd do it regardless

What do we have the lose? 3 pieces of an 18-26 team?

by YaoPau on Jan 24, 2009 9:44 PM CST up reply actions  

heh...

if he leaves, at least they go to the low lottery in 2011. :-)

Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!

by tyger1147 on Jan 26, 2009 8:40 AM CST up reply actions  

here's what we could lose ...

- cap space for a more worthwhile ‘superstar’
- team chemistry
- post presence … oh wait, we never had that to begin with and we’re still not gonna have it
- rebounding
- defense

Amare sucks.

by Orange Juice on Feb 2, 2009 4:29 PM CST up reply actions  

he does not suck, but he is a baby he is underacheiving because he hates his coach

he’s still the second best young power forward in the league behind only Bosh, so we could certainly do worse.

by fundamentallysound on Feb 2, 2009 4:33 PM CST up reply actions  

Then the Bulls can start with...

Amare and Barbosa in exchange…add pieces as necessary to make the cappy numbers work.

" I've looked at these numbers and decided the #1 problem

is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger

by Dionysus2.0 on Jan 24, 2009 10:27 PM CST up reply actions  

Actually, that was what I thought we could

Send: Tyrus, Hinrich, Deng, Thabo or Simmons and a 1 rd pick in 2009 or 2010
Receive: Soutdemire and Barbosa

Bulls roster with Simmons
Rose/Barbosa
BG/Barbosa
Noc/Hughes or other
Stoudemire/Gooden
Noah/Gooden

Bulls with Thabo
Rose/Barbosa
BG/Barbosa
Thabo/Noc
Stoudemire/Gooden
Noah/Gooden

Trade

by bull83 on Jan 25, 2009 7:57 AM CST up reply actions  

You mean like Nash and Barbosa?

Correct me if i’m wrong but they were pretty good a few years back.

Nocioni has an Olympic gold medal, a bronze medal and a EuroLeague MVP, and now… His legs are broken! Coming to an arena near you.

by Khalid El-Amin on Jan 26, 2009 10:01 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

When Gordon gets as good as Nash on offense to make up for it...

…maybe we can consider it. Not all short players are created equal.

Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!

by tyger1147 on Jan 26, 2009 3:53 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

I wish i could rec this more than once

"I can accept failure, but I can't accept not trying." -- Michael Jordan

by bennythebull on Jan 26, 2009 4:29 PM CST up reply actions  

Almost any trade for Amare would put the Bulls over the LT

Or put the Suns even further over the LT, which I think they’d want to avoid if they’re trading Amare.

so you can pretty much forget about it.

by Sports2 on Jan 25, 2009 2:32 PM CST reply actions  

They're four-and-a-half over.

I don’t see them shaving that much mid-season no matter what.

Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!

by tyger1147 on Jan 26, 2009 8:43 AM CST up reply actions  

There is

so much I could say about this, from a Suns fan’s perspective. But let’s just keep it at this for now: Since Kerr is a genius moron, this is entirely possible, and couldn’t possibly his worst trade as long as Hughes, Nocioni or Gooden aren’t involved. In other words, perhaps he should be looking to deal with CHI, since the Bulls have the most (available?) young talent not playing for a team that’s already taken advantage of him. (POR, OKC, MIA)

I’d think the Suns would want Hinrich as Nash backup and 6th/7th man, Deng as the long term 3 and talent balance (uh, not quite though!) for Amare All-Star, and a pick(s) and or young big. Bulls would be smart to get Barbosa back as a cheaper (better?) BG replacement. So, altough I didn’t click any of the trade machine links, it looks like folks are on the right track here.

As sports2 states, neither team probably wants to do this so badly they’ll pay a tax in addition to what they’ll have to give up in such a blockbuster. So the biggest obstacle could be making the $ balance near to exactly.

What I’d be concerned about for the Bulls’ fan perspective is over-rating Amare’s awesomeness. Deng would give them the glue guy they desperately need, but what they really need is for Amare to do just a little of the old Marion and Diaw and Bell team/defensive stuff. On the other hand, I’ll probably enjoy the Suns much much more if my Bulls trade away all their good youth. LOL!

"As a basketball player gordon is a useless as tits on a a whore" - BigWay (Dec 2, 2008). BigWank, I'll miss you more than all the others. This song is for you, my brother!

by marionette on Jan 25, 2009 5:58 PM CST reply actions  

I don't really know if i would want Amare

I would much rather try to go for Bosh in 2010. It seems like Amare doesn’t get along with teammates or coaches. In addition, he isn’t a team player and plays like defense like Drew Gooden. Also, I still don’t want to give up Deng because I feel with a NBA-level coach he could produce like he was a couple of seasons ago.

by LoveForTheGame on Jan 26, 2009 1:41 AM CST up reply actions  

Agreed

Amare sucks. Bosh would be worthwhile to pursue and pay with max contract. Deng sucks too, but not as much.

by Orange Juice on Feb 2, 2009 4:32 PM CST up reply actions  

If I were the Suns, I'd call the Pistons. If I were the Pistons, I'd call the Suns

If I were the Suns, I’d simply say they want a trade that maximizes their return along two dimensions.
1. Financial
2. Talent

When you take both dimensions into perspective, I don’t see that we can make a better offer than what I’d expect other teams to offer.

I mean, we can’t offer much relief. Gooden’s $7M expiring + Hughes’ $26M comes to $13M next year for Hughes instead of $16M or so for Amare. If they’re looking for financial relief, sure, they’ll lose on talent, but paying Hughes $13M is losing on talent and getting a shitty financial deal too.

There are plenty of teams out there with bigger expiring contracts who could take on Amare. And offer more talent too.

Think about Detroit. Detroit is willing to shop AI and Sheed, supposedly. You don’t think the Pistons would trade one or both of those guys for Amare?

And if you’re the Suns, wouldn’t you rather have an expiring contract than have to pay Larry Hughes $13M next year? And if you’re trying to give it a go with Shaq and Nash for the rest of this year, wouldn’t you rather have one of those two guys, who are probably both hall of famers, than Larry Hughes?

Suppose the Suns traded Amare + JRich + Goron Dragic (they signed him for three years and he blows) for AI and Sheed.

The Suns get to trot out
1-Nash
2-AI
3-Grant Hill
4-Rasheed Wallace
5-Shaq

Granted they’re all ancient, but that’s a freaking exciting team. There will be a lot of people paying to see if the old geezers can make one more run at the title. And you know what, they’ll at least have as good a chance to win this season as they do now. Probably better. And they’ll sell lots of jerseys and sell out their games.

And next year, they go from having $75M under contract to having about $45M under contract. That’s about $15M under the cap. $30M under the cap because Steve Nash’s deal is non-guaranteed. That’ll let them either re-sign guys for less money and make another 1 year push, or go ahead and start a major rebuild.

Would the Pistons do it?
Doesn’t
1- Stuckey
2- Rip
3- JRich
4- Amare
5- McDyess

Look like an Eastern conference contender? Sure does to me.

by Sports2 on Jan 26, 2009 9:58 AM CST reply actions  

With Tayshaun Prince and Amir Johnson coming off the bench?

Yes, Detroit can certainly offer a better deal than the Bulls…and I think Dumars is positioning himself to land one of the young big men that will certainly change teams over the next two years…

" I've looked at these numbers and decided the #1 problem

is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger

by Dionysus2.0 on Jan 26, 2009 10:11 AM CST up reply actions  

Jeez, I forgot about Prince

But yeah, that’s a problem of too many riches. They might be able to turn someone like Rip or JRich into another big guy if they tried.

But I also think they could stand pat and give it a pretty good go.

by Sports2 on Jan 26, 2009 11:24 AM CST up reply actions  

Amir Johnson

I’m not impressed, he is a poor man’s Tyrus Thomas

by LOTP on Jan 26, 2009 3:22 PM CST up reply actions  

i don't think the suns make that trade

they would want young talent and expiring contracts. AI and Rasheed do not equal Amare and JRich. Switch out AI for Prince and Rip than you probably have a deal

by Basketball Smurf on Jan 26, 2009 11:34 AM CST up reply actions  

I don't know about that

With Nash, Shaq, and Hill in their final run they may just want a strong bunch of veterans to try and put them over the top. With that said, AI and Rasheed are closer to cancers than they are model veterans. Plus a Nash/AI backcourt would be unbelievably exploited in the playoffs defensively.

by CJ Bulls on Jan 26, 2009 12:23 PM CST up reply actions  

even if they are planning to make one final run

prince and rip work a lot better than AI. AI is done as a major force in this league. And i can’t see him being able to fit in a system with Shaq and Nash

by Basketball Smurf on Jan 26, 2009 12:25 PM CST up reply actions  

True

Rip/Prince/Rasheed for Amare/Richardson sounds like a very interesting deal. I would like to see it happen.

by CJ Bulls on Jan 26, 2009 12:31 PM CST up reply actions  

yeah but if the point is just to get expiring contracts

than why make a trade at all. They have Amare expiring, Nash, and Shaq. Those are all relatively short deals. Richardson is also only signed for 2 more years. If the point is to make a run now, than AI and Wallace don’t come close to accomplishing that. But if they want to make a run now, improve the defense, and still have some flexibility later, they can get Rasheed’s expiring with Prince (who is still relatively young) and Hamilton. That is much more closer to competing now, and if they don’t win, they still have Sheed, Shaq and Nash for expiring contracts. I just don’t think the Suns throw in the towel for Sheed and AI because they won’t win with those guys.

by Basketball Smurf on Jan 26, 2009 5:48 PM CST up reply actions  

Quote from Ask Sam

bq.Stoudemire is a perennial All-Star. They’d have to get at least one back, and there aren’t any on the Bulls, so I’d forget that unless you are offering Derrick Rose.

So yes, you are crazy for thinking our trash could net Stoudemire

http://www.nba.com/bulls/news/asksam_090123.html

by CJ Bulls on Jan 26, 2009 12:21 PM CST reply actions  

You need to relax, really

The all "crazy" thing wasn’t about the trade himself. Was from the fact that Matt didn’t believe that the Suns would want to trade Amare. So, read before you post something, man… Sam Smith also says that we should try to land Maggette. So, there you. He’s much desperate as we are for a trade

by bull83 on Jan 26, 2009 2:05 PM CST up reply actions  

Agreed but I called you crazy after the crazy proposal,

and you disagreed. Sam’s desperate for a trade and he still doesn’t believe the Bulls can get Stoudemire. Further proof your proposal was bad.

by CJ Bulls on Jan 26, 2009 3:17 PM CST up reply actions  

If I recall, we argued because of Bargnani and Tyrus, and the value of some Bulls players compared with some of the Raptors, not because of Stoudemire

Again, you have to read first. I said above

Remember when I proposed a (shitty) trade with the Suns

I admit the proposal was bad. I never proposed the same trade on this post. Now, can you tell me when was the last thing that Sam said that happened?

by bull83 on Jan 26, 2009 4:10 PM CST up reply actions  

His point is that it wouldn't happen.

Sam’s accuracy wasn’t my point. You decided to post a second EXTREMELY speculative article to say you weren’t crazy. So I put one up to say you were.

It’s nothing against you. I like reading trade posts, it lets you think about team needs and gives new perspectives on player. I just wish everyone would stop posting trades that will never happen. It does no good to suggest Gooden and Tyrus for Chris Bosh posts. It wastes everyone’s time.

Now the Pistons/Suns deal discussed about is actually a fun read. We need more of that.

by CJ Bulls on Jan 26, 2009 4:17 PM CST up reply actions  

But this is what we (fans) do: speculate

We speculate about everything thing: what Gordon said to Vinny; what’s Pax idea for 2010, and so on, and so on…We talk about every scenarios. But I agree with you. Some are good, some aren’t. But for me this isn’t speculation. After reading all this, I believe the Suns could trade Stoudemire. Maybe not for the Bulls and (definitely) not for what I proposed on the other fanpost, but they will. No one likes to have a frustrated player on their roster. Specially when they know that he could leave for nothing in 2010…

by bull83 on Jan 26, 2009 4:30 PM CST up reply actions  

Amare is overrated

He’s a perennial All-Star because he’s overrated by the media and by the fans. But if you see him play a lot, you know that he’s just a waste of talent. He has the physical gifts and a sweet jump shot, but his mind is f-ed up so he’s never going to improve his defense, he’s never going to rebound, he’s never going to develop a post game. All he wants to do is dunk on the pick and roll.

by Orange Juice on Feb 2, 2009 4:35 PM CST up reply actions  

He rebounded great in 06-07, not so much in the other years though. He's a deadly efficient scorer though

and if you pair him with a great rebounding big like Noah (he is one of the best rebounders in the league), then I think Amar’es’ lack of rebounding becomes less of a concern.

by fundamentallysound on Feb 2, 2009 4:37 PM CST up reply actions  

Why is everyone so quick to bang on Kerr for shaking Phoenix up??

Somebody please tell me what the Phoenix Suns have won in the last 5 years or so. The answer is a resounding NOTHING!!! They have only been to the finals once, yet 3 other elite teams in the West have been to the finals in the same time frame while enduring their own form of ups and downs (Spurs, Lakers and Mavs). Sure the run and gun Phoenix team was fun, but they could not win and last I checked that was the bottom line!!!

This team is not going to score 120 pts and win 60 games like before, but I guarantee you that this Phoenix team will be in the playoffs and stand a better shot at winning it than any of those run and gun Phoenix teams (I know they currently sit 9th in the West but they’ll make it). You gotta do something different when it becomes obvious that the old formula isn’t working anymore AS ALL OF US BULLS FANS KNOW WELL (trying to win on hustle alone electing to spurn superior talent for “good guys”). Kerr has stirred the pot and I give him credit for doing so.

In truth though, if Stoudemire would raise his level of play to that of guys like Duncan and Garnett in their prime (or even play as well as his teammate Shaq has been lately) then the team Phoenix has right now would be one of the best in the league. Stoudemire plays little defense and doesn’t rebound at nearly the rate he should for a guy with all the physical tools you could ask for. All he’s concerned about is being “the man”. Did LeBron ask to be the man? Did Brandon Roy ask to be the man in Portland? No. These guys simply established themselves as the best damn player on their teams NO QUESTIONS ASKED and everybody just called them the man. Instead of crying about how Shaq/Nash is the man, he could assert himself and average 25+ ppg 13+ rpg and make all the difference for the Suns. Kerr has put a solid team in place. He now needs his young 26 yr old stud to be a stud and earn his place in the league.

by lexdiamonds0730 on Jan 26, 2009 12:39 PM CST reply actions  

While I agree with the spirit of your argument, I want to correct one very important fact.

The Phoenix Suns have not been to the finals since 1993. Don’t give them (or D’Antoni’s system) more credit than they have earned.

" I've looked at these numbers and decided the #1 problem

is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger

by Dionysus2.0 on Jan 26, 2009 4:05 PM CST up reply actions  

Sorry. Meant to say they have NOT been to the finals once, yet 3 other....

….you know the rest. And I was referring to the D’antoni years. Of course I remember the 1993 Finals though where we thoroughly enjoyed the (ironically enough) Paxson jump shot that sealed the championship for us.

But for history’s sake, they also played in the finals in 1976 if i’m not mistaken…the one where Gar Heard hits the big shot and they take Boston to triple overtime and end up losing.

Thanks for the correction though D 2.0

by lexdiamonds0730 on Jan 26, 2009 6:49 PM CST up reply actions  

I am still pissed off about the foul called on Grant in the 3rd overtime,

that should have been an offensive foul on Sir Charles.

The season is lost, blow the team up.

by Granny Waiters on Jan 26, 2009 7:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Does Amare lack the "dog"?

The season is lost, blow the team up.

by Granny Waiters on Jan 26, 2009 7:11 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Nope.

Stoudemire is ferocious!! And you can definitely win with him. Thing is, it may not matter to him whether you win or lose…as long as he is “the man”. There may come a time when he’ll appreciate having been a part of a winning culture. But as I said before, this guy has it all. Just doesn’t extend the same sort of effort at being a great all around player as guys like Duncan and KG have. But he’s young and still has time.

by lexdiamonds0730 on Jan 27, 2009 12:38 AM CST up reply actions  

A power forward should be able to co-exist with a point guard

and still be the man? After all, he needs someone to pass him the ball.

The season is lost, blow the team up.

by Granny Waiters on Jan 27, 2009 1:55 AM CST up reply actions  

except on defense.

USE THE SOFTWARE. Actions-> Rec/Flag. Reply to comments with the reply button. Rec good fanposts/fanshots so the crud gets pushed down.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 27, 2009 10:59 AM CST up reply actions  

I don't think he has time

He was drafted in 2002. Offensively he might get better. But, if he was going to at least try on defense frequently it would have happened by now.

Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Ozzie Montana on Jan 27, 2009 11:47 AM CST up reply actions  

Credit a bit of it to D'Antoni's system.

But at this point…he does not seem to be committed to getting better on that side of the ball.

" I've looked at these numbers and decided the #1 problem

is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger

by Dionysus2.0 on Jan 27, 2009 1:35 PM CST up reply actions  

Funny how the Suns look to be a worse defensive team now

Than during the SSOL era. I understand why Kerr made those moves, but man things just went south for them in a hurry.

Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Ozzie Montana on Jan 27, 2009 1:56 PM CST up reply actions  

Last I checked...

…big guys like Karl Malone, Tim Duncan, Shaquille O’Neal, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Moses Malone, Charles Barkley, etc…. have all needed PGs to get the ball to them and they’ve still been “the man”.

I’m simply saying that everybody knows at this point that Stoudemire is the most gifted offensive player on the Suns team and the one capable of going off for 40 or 50 at any time. Why doesn’t he just play ball?

Sometimes I wonder if Phoenix wouldn’t be a better team right now if Shawn Marion was still playing PF for them. I used t think Shawn was the headache and had the ego issue. But I’ve been spending a lot of time on these Phoenix blogs since I’ve been living in Arizona this last year or so and it’s looking more and more like Stoudemire’s attitude was the issue and he and Marion didn’t get along. Marion wasn’t as big as Stoudemire but he was a better rebounder, far superior defender and a better teammate from all indications.

by lexdiamonds0730 on Jan 27, 2009 10:22 AM CST reply actions  

AMARE SUCKS

Money better spent elsewhere. This guy’s head is going to inflate even more after starting the all-star game next weekend. The most overrated all-star that has no business starting. He has no post game. He has no defensive instinct, or willingness to learn/play defense. He rebounds like Eddy Curry. I’m sorry, he’s not even going to be able to score consistently with a Steve Nash – type point guard, which Derrick Rose is not.

by Orange Juice on Feb 2, 2009 4:24 PM CST reply actions  

without

not with …

Derrick Rose is the man, and Amare is not going to be happy not being the man, so we might as well forget about this joke of an “all-star.”

by Orange Juice on Feb 2, 2009 4:26 PM CST up reply actions  

wat

When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer

by Illini15 on Feb 2, 2009 5:59 PM CST up reply actions  

maybe Suns fans really do hate Amare

BSotS suggests trading Amare for Spencer Hawes and Beno Udrih (and Kenny Thomas with his Hughes-esque contract!)

USE THE SOFTWARE. Actions-> Rec/Flag. Reply to comments with the reply button. Rec good fanposts/fanshots so the crud gets pushed down.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 2, 2009 7:28 PM CST reply actions  

And you say that the trade proposals that we normally do suck :)

How can an offer of Hawes, Udrich and Kenny Thomas be better than Tyrus, Hinrich and Gooden? We even talked about giving up Deng and Thabo for Amare… lol

by bull83 on Feb 2, 2009 8:18 PM CST up reply actions  

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