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I'm sorry, but this part is just hilarious:
Minutes after coach Vinny Del Negro told media to ask his players if they respect him, Ben Gordon was seen by some of the same media confronting Del Negro and using expletives toward the coach in a Berto Center hallway

When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer

by Illini15 on Jan 22, 2009 5:02 PM CST reply actions   2 recs

Wow.

De gustibus non est disputandum

by Sports2 on Jan 22, 2009 7:27 PM CST up reply actions  

Can you imagine how hard you'd be laughing if you were one of the beat reporters witnessing this?

When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer

by Illini15 on Jan 22, 2009 7:30 PM CST up reply actions  

This is all in Pax's lap.

It’s really sad that the necessary changes (firing both VDN & Pax) won’t be made. Pax is safe & VDN will be made the scapegoat when in reality, this current clusterfuck-of-a-quagmire is at least 75% of Pax’s fault. . .

by ChiCity85 on Jan 22, 2009 5:07 PM CST reply actions  

It's really Reinsdorf's fault... he scared D'Antoni away with his cheapskate ways. He hired Pax

and has yet to fire him, despite all his failings. Until this team gets new ownership, I fear the ineptitude will continue.

by fundamentallysound on Jan 22, 2009 5:10 PM CST up reply actions  

This is

too funny!

BG flips out over a fine!

Matt should be on suicide watch tonight.

His boy is going down (with a note in his hands)….

There goes that PHat contract..

by Bulls4Ever on Jan 22, 2009 5:07 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

Ben will sign with the Cavs to spite the Bulls.

And then get paid the big money after three years with the Cavs…while winning tons of championships.

http://www.dabullz.com

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by Andrew7 on Jan 22, 2009 6:23 PM CST up reply actions  

Most definitely.

"You remember the first time you picked up a basketball video game and you had no idea how to run plays, so you just gave the ball to your shooter and you ran around the court aimlessly until a defender was far enough away and then you jacked up a shot? THAT IS LARRY HUGHES!"
-Anonymous fan letter, heylarryhughespleasestoptakingsomanybadshots.com

by Prevenge on Jan 22, 2009 11:26 PM CST up reply actions  

You really think Ben would see the ball

that much more than a Boobie Gibson on that team? No, he’d get the ball when Bron determines he should get it.

by messwiththebull on Jan 23, 2009 7:33 AM CST up reply actions  

sshhhhh

dont mess with the picture perfect conspiricy theory

by reprisal on Jan 23, 2009 12:03 PM CST up reply actions  

plus the way boobie plays the game

fits the cavs style more. I wont argue that he is a better shooter than gordon (since im sure ill be bombarded with stats that say otherwise) but just in terms of shooting styles is different. Boobie gets the ball, is usually wide open, no hesitation, takes a shot, has a nice quick release and knocks it down (usually). Gordon gets the ball, considers what his best move is, and then tries to pull it off.

Its not that gordons style isnte effective, but i think an andres nocioni style of play is more what the cavs are looking for.

On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!

by piccolomair on Jan 23, 2009 12:14 PM CST up reply actions  

Actually the stats say that Delonte West(their starting SG)

is more efficient then BG. Plus he is automagically better at defense then Ben and it shows. ;) Plus he is signed for $4mil. Of course its not exactly fair to compare offensive production on a real team to someone trying to bail water on this Titanic.

by reprisal on Jan 23, 2009 12:24 PM CST up reply actions  

Ya know, you could actually look the stats up yourself.

as sue says, google (or basketball-reference.com) is your friend

Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!

by tyger1147 on Jan 23, 2009 5:16 PM CST up reply actions  

yea

but that would require work….

On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!

by piccolomair on Jan 23, 2009 5:41 PM CST up reply actions  

Except Ben Gordon wouldn't bitch about being a spot up shooter

Since, you know, he can actually shoot the ball.

Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Ozzie Montana on Jan 23, 2009 10:26 AM CST up reply actions  

Since when is BG a spot-up shooter?

We all know he needs to dribble the ball (off his foot) first…. ;)

(couldn’t help myself…. :D )

by BAB-Bass on Jan 23, 2009 10:42 AM CST up reply actions  

He can still dribble off his foot if he so pleases

Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Ozzie Montana on Jan 23, 2009 11:03 AM CST up reply actions  

Ben

Gordon would be a great signee for the Cavs…..

Imagine BG-Moe and James, with Big Z and Varejao more of the defensive side…..awesome…..and yet sad….

by majoyenrac on Jan 23, 2009 11:10 AM CST up reply actions  

Ben

BG will probably want 5yrs 50-55mill, are the Cavs prepared to pay that

by LOTP on Jan 23, 2009 3:41 PM CST up reply actions  

They might be....

I wouldn’t be surprised. They pay that and win a championship. The following year they have Wallace off the books to resign James….

by majoyenrac on Jan 26, 2009 8:03 AM CST up reply actions  

haha, you flatter us... the Bulls will be picking earlier than that

that number assumes they continue playing at the same level they have been. This thing is about to get out of control real, real fast.

by fundamentallysound on Jan 22, 2009 5:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Ha what if...

The bulls get a top 2 pick again. I would just laugh if Pax could turn the following picks into a contender.

09 ?
08 #1
07 #9
06 #2(4th) & # 13
04 #3 and #7
03 #7
Paxson

inheritted (#2 overall Jay Williams)(#3 overall Chandler)(#4 overall Eddy Curry)

There is NO reason the Bulls shouldn’t be a playoff team right now…

by Jesse07 on Jan 23, 2009 9:53 AM CST up reply actions  

The 2000 draft class was one of the worst drafts in history

Paxson wasn’t even the fucking GM at that time in 2000; even if he was, no one could have predicted the abomination of players in that year.

As well, you don’t make any sense. Brand was traded to acquire the draft rights to Skinner and Tyson Chandler. Giving an undertone that Chandler + Fizer,Crawford,Brand is incoherent.

While I’m at it, no one else could have seen that Jay Williams would be in a life-threatening, career-ending incident, and if Eddy Curry weren’t traded, you can’t add the fact that Thomas and Noah are on the Bulls right now. The draft picks would have never occurred in ‘06 and ’07 if it weren’t for the preceding years.

In short, no, there isn’t a reason the Bulls shouldn’t be a playoff team right now, but not for the topics you listed.

by NittanyCub on Jan 23, 2009 11:26 AM CST up reply actions  

And half the people here can't make up their fucking minds about Paxson

Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Ozzie Montana on Jan 23, 2009 11:31 AM CST up reply actions  

On the same note as Williams,

none of the medical tests and screenings indicated Eddy Curry would have heart problems.

Now if there only was a test to determine how much “dog” a player has! ;)

In Rose We Trust

by Granny Waiters on Jan 23, 2009 6:21 PM CST up reply actions  

Can't knock

Pax on the guys before him. He didn’t inherit Jay Williams really, Jay was hurt basically shortly after Pax was hired (like 1-2 weeks before the draft)…..

Can’t blame him on Curry, or Fizer, and he did well with Crawford by letting him go (he also did very well with Curry).

I think Pax drafted well…..I mean I guess with one of those 2 2004 picks, Al Jefferson would be great….but Hinrich was a good draft choice, neither BG or Deng have been precipitously worse than those behind them (And both are credible players in a rather weak draft sans Howard of course and emerging Al Jefferson)….2008 looks like a burgeoning superstar. 2007’s pick at #9 is coming in and playing about as solid as a #9 pick generally does in the 2nd year….there are a few exceptions, but Noah’s been playing well of late—started off poorly.

And don’t get me started on Thomas, if I were the GM (given where we were at the time) and went back on that day, I’d take Thomas still and hope in 3-5 years he’d be there…..I still have high hopes.

We’re not a playoff team now because Pax hasn’t known when to pull some triggers on trades and traded the one real piece he inherited that was pretty decent and was looking pretty decent behind the public eye for crap and garbage in a move that seems very Scott Skiles pushed…..

by majoyenrac on Jan 23, 2009 11:15 AM CST up reply actions  

Indeed.

LMA will be a nice (but not great) offensive player with limited defense and rebounding. There is still a good chance TT can have similar offensive production while being better in the other areas (if the Bulls ever coach him right).

In Rose We Trust

by Granny Waiters on Jan 23, 2009 6:23 PM CST up reply actions  

Chase Budinger

Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!

by tyger1147 on Jan 22, 2009 5:59 PM CST up reply actions  

but... he is TALL.

He’s also a good shooter and dunker, perhaps I could be persuaded.

by fundamentallysound on Jan 22, 2009 6:11 PM CST up reply actions  

chase budinger sucks

and i’m an arizona fan. People openly question how much he wants to play basketball in college, wait until he get million dollar contract. He so soft, he makes Luol Deng seem like Mike Tyson.

by Basketball Smurf on Jan 22, 2009 6:34 PM CST up reply actions  

Wow "people", huh?

I’ll never question the opinion of a fan of a player on his favorite team. Cuz like, fans of the Bulls have never said Luol Deng sucked, fans in Philly never said they thought Donovan McNabb was a mama’s boy, New York fans never booed Eli Manning, blah blah blah blah.

Sorry, but the guy clearly does not suck. If you think he currently sucks, then you’re wrong and overly biased against him for some reason. It’s like when Bulls fans say Ben Gordon sucks. He might not be perfect, and one might be disappointed in him for not being more, but saying he outright sucks makes it tougher to accept other critiques, especially those in the manner of the vague “they say”….

Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!

by tyger1147 on Jan 22, 2009 6:58 PM CST up reply actions  

Budinger is a volleyball player

He’s better at it than he basketball. Too bad the Vball circuit is shit pay.

I’m with Smurf. The more I watch of Budinger the more I wonder about his ability to even want to create at the NBA level. I see tons of turnovers from this kid in the NBA.

12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.

by NBA Observer on Jan 22, 2009 7:05 PM CST up reply actions  

i watch the guy play

you are looking at his stats. Budinger hasn’t played well in a big game in 3 years. He can’t get to the basket off the dribble. He is not physical. He is a TERRIBLE DEFENDER. He is a streaky shooter. He doesn’t rebound well for his size. Because he can’t create off the dribble, his ability to pass is completely negated. There is a reason Budinger gets hyped but never gets the accolades at the end of the season. He has all the physical tools (except the dribbling) but none of the mental tools to be a NBA ball player. You compared him to Brent Barry. But he isn’t the shooter or ball handler. I say people say as in everyone who has watched him play more than 5 games. David Thorpe mentioned it in his chat last week. It use to be part of his NBA scouting report on espn.com. You really don’t know what you speak of.

There is your scouting report. He is currently rated the 31st best prospect on espn.com. He has been dropping steadily throughout the season. If you look at his game splits for the season you would notice a drop in fg% when Arizona stopped playing weak non-conference teams.

by Basketball Smurf on Jan 22, 2009 7:21 PM CST up reply actions  

its a good comparison

Budinger can’t seem to put it all together. He seems like a guy who can win a dunk contest and 3 pt contest but still not make a rotation.

by Basketball Smurf on Jan 22, 2009 7:36 PM CST up reply actions  

He played well in their NCAA tourney game, no?

8-14, 23 pts, 5/7 FT’s, if Bayless shows up, maybe they win?

I didn’t compare him to Barry. I said an outdated draftexpress had that comparison. I compared him to slightly better than Thabo. Wow, what a stretch. Dammit.

Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!

by tyger1147 on Jan 22, 2009 8:00 PM CST up reply actions  

so tell me who's better at that spot

Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!

by tyger1147 on Jan 22, 2009 8:13 PM CST up reply actions  

BTW, I do appreciate the more-detailed scouting.

I don’t take anybody on this blog at face value except for maybe Scotter. I’ve read the ridiculous typed on this blog concerning Luol Deng. So a flat “So-and-so sucks” from a fan disappointed in a player doesn’t really do it for me.

I don’t really check espn.com either. He’s been steady at 12/13 at draftexpress.com but just recently dropped and actually rose on nbadraft.net (not that it’s any good, but I like the pretty bars). I also dispute that he can’t shoot as well as Barry since he’s shot better than him in college.

But like I said, I have “drafted 13th” expectations which seems to be a borderline starter.

Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!

by tyger1147 on Jan 22, 2009 9:20 PM CST up reply actions  

well, i didn't mean to sound so harsh

but the thought of Budinger donning a Bulls uniform gives me the chills. He may make the league as a pure shooter, but he is not a starter caliber player. Looking at the draft, I don’t see anyone who could help the Bulls immediately in the 10-14 range. If they fall farther, I like Harden and Monroe.

If we stay where we at I like Austin Daye from Gonzaga. He is a kid who can do a lot of different things – pass, shoot, defend – he is 6’10 and a small forward. Sort of a Deng clone but with more skill. He would duplicate what we have, but I don’t see any SG’s worth taking at that spot. If Demar Derozan drops, maybe you take a chance on him.

Earl Clark and Cole Aldridge are also interesting. I really think the Bulls should consider trading the pick though. THey have enough mid level young talent

by Basketball Smurf on Jan 23, 2009 2:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah I'd have to agree.

Born and raised on the West Side of Chicago (Jackson and Kilbourn/Division and Pine) but live in Tucson, AZ now. I’ve been to a few U of A games and let me tell you…Budinger is decent but he’s nowhere near as good as he should be. After coming to U of A and being touted as the best prospect since Sean Elliot, he’s not even the best player on his own team…for the second straight season. Like I said, he’s decent but I’d take the kid from Louisville (Earl Clark) before I’d take Budinger. Truth is we wouldn’t really need either though because we’re duplicating if we do.

But if we end up a lottery team, considering where we’ll likely draft, I’d take Budinger’s teammate Jordan Hill, Patrick Patterson (who reminds me SO MUCH of Paul Millsap) or Hasheem Thabeet…that is if any of these guys are around when picks 10, 11, 12 and 13 get there. I like Greg Monroe, but he reminds me so much of guys like Deng, Hinrich and Gordon. I don’t know if he has that fire in his belly to challenge teammates when they aren’t bringing it nightly.

by lexdiamonds0730 on Jan 23, 2009 1:15 PM CST up reply actions  

Have you actually watched him play more than a few games?

I mean, I respect your opinion, so I’m genuinely curious as I can’t see how you’d actually like this guy if you watched him for an extended amount of time. He often seems disinterested, drifting in and out of games and seemingly not caring to be the focal point of his team’s offensive attack at all times even though he clearly has the talent to be a dominant wing player in the college game. Sure, maybe the “it” factor is overrated (that “dog” stuff was really stupid), but he’s frustrating to watch. On a team that’s already filled with a bunch of frustrating, erratic players, I just don’t think Budinger is the choice. But it’s certainly not due to his talent, that’s for sure.

When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer

by Illini15 on Jan 22, 2009 7:29 PM CST up reply actions  

I've only watched a few games.

And yeah, I see that he’s probably not going to be a dominant player. Good thing they have Rose. They need better players than what I expect Budinger to be, but who else is there? Recent #13 picks: Brandon Rush, Julian Wright, Thabo Sefolosha, Sean May, Sebastian Telfair, Marcus Banks, Marcus Haislip, Richard Jefferson, Courtney Alexander, etc.

I’m not expecting much here, guys. This is the spot where you get lucky. What? Two solid starters? Go back and you have Kobe Bryant, Corliss Williamson, Corey Magette, Dale Davis…

So I mean, seriously, what’s there? Other guys will come on, but there just isn’t much that’s going to be left. I did say I’d consider Andrew Ogilvy.

Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!

by tyger1147 on Jan 22, 2009 8:13 PM CST up reply actions  

I just think he'll be the best SG available at that spot. I'd also consider Ogilvy at C.

Don’t need a PG. I won’t be interested in a SF. Not interested in another undersized PF or C. If Mullens fell or DeRozan became a real basketball player, I might consider them.

This draft has a lot of a scoring PG, PG/SG combos and 6’9" PF/C.

While it’s less likely at this point, Budinger still has the potential to be a good defender. He definitely has the offense to be good to really good. For me, his worst case (which isn’t that exciting) is the reverse of Thabo: gets by on D (whereas Thabo “gets by” on O) and is better than average on offense. Best case is a notch below Gordon in scoring but a better defender. Somewhere in between best & worst? I’ll take it if they’re drafting at 13.

DraftExpress has a possibly outdated best case of Brent Barry (damn racial profiling), which is actually quite good.

Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!

by tyger1147 on Jan 22, 2009 6:41 PM CST up reply actions  

I would rather the Bulls package the pick in a trade for a big man who can play

real defense and rebound, so next year every half-assed 4 and 5 will not have career games when playing the Bulls.

by Granny Waiters on Jan 22, 2009 7:40 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, that's the yourfriendlyBullsBlogger strategy.

If they can get someone, sure, but I don’t have any confidence in Paxson making a draft-day deal. Or trading anything in the meantime of worth that includes the pick.

Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!

by tyger1147 on Jan 22, 2009 8:14 PM CST up reply actions  

Ogilvy

Ogilvy will be a huge bust when he goes pro

by LOTP on Jan 23, 2009 3:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Great insight!!!

When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer

by Illini15 on Jan 23, 2009 4:42 PM CST up reply actions  

At least Pax publicly backed up his coach yesterda . . .

Oh wait, never mind.

Why resort to name calling?
-Dionysus2.0

because I wish to insult you personally
-your friendly BullsBlogger

by Big D on Jan 22, 2009 5:13 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

i told you no eating in my locker room!!

I vote for Thomas to play, play more and play regularly.-Sam Smith

by tyrus4prez on Jan 22, 2009 5:36 PM CST reply actions  

P.S.

You are fined $1000.

[What dinner place would you like to go to?]
-Vinny

"You remember the first time you picked up a basketball video game and you had no idea how to run plays, so you just gave the ball to your shooter and you ran around the court aimlessly until a defender was far enough away and then you jacked up a shot? THAT IS LARRY HUGHES!"
-Anonymous fan letter, heylarryhughespleasestoptakingsomanybadshots.com

by Prevenge on Jan 22, 2009 5:41 PM CST up reply actions  

Dammit,

that made a lot more sense in my head.
Just ignore it, I guess. Heh.

"You remember the first time you picked up a basketball video game and you had no idea how to run plays, so you just gave the ball to your shooter and you ran around the court aimlessly until a defender was far enough away and then you jacked up a shot? THAT IS LARRY HUGHES!"
-Anonymous fan letter, heylarryhughespleasestoptakingsomanybadshots.com

by Prevenge on Jan 22, 2009 5:42 PM CST up reply actions  

I like this thread

Dear Benny,

It’s me again, your pal Vinny! What’s new with you, man?

Anyway, did you just see all those reporters asking if players respect me? Crazy, right?! I mean, they should’ve seen us in San Antonio when you guys came into my hotel room and we cleared out my wet bar! And then we talked about all kinds of things. And then I gave the bill to Pax and sprinted to the bus :) :) :) Besides, I have a way with words. Also, do you want to hang out at the golf dome after practice? Aaron said he might be available, but he’s not sure. If you’d rather to do something else, I’m cool with whatever.

As you know, my door is always open for you to pass notes back to me :)

Sincerely,

Vinny

P.S. I have to fine you for that PBJ you had in the locker room. Otherwise people will be pissed that I didn’t. So yeah, $10,000 when you get a chance. Also, if you could not tell reporters about the fine that would be great. I don’t even care about what they say about me.

by YaoPau on Jan 22, 2009 6:20 PM CST up reply actions  

KC's "blog" posted something on this:
The Bulls fined guard Ben Gordon for breaking an undisclosed team rule Thursday, and the typically stoic guard was seen at the Berto Center expressing his displeasure with the decision by using profanity during an animated conversation with coach Vinny Del Negro.

The incident took place after Del Negro addressed reporters. Del Negro declined a request through a team spokesman to address the issue. Reached outside the Berto Center, Gordon said the incident was no longer an issue and he had no problems with the Bulls’ coach.

by smash! on Jan 22, 2009 5:39 PM CST reply actions  

That doesn't make it sound that bad

Did he walk up and yell, “Hey Vinny, fick you!” or did he just discuss the fine with him and and happened to use some profanity?

Why resort to name calling?
-Dionysus2.0

because I wish to insult you personally
-your friendly BullsBlogger

by Big D on Jan 22, 2009 5:54 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, cursing vs. cursing at is a big difference

I have a hard time not cursing. I don’t have a hard time refraining from telling people to go fuck themselves.

De gustibus non est disputandum

by Sports2 on Jan 22, 2009 7:34 PM CST up reply actions  

What does "fick" mean?

I understand yfBB lets us use Anglo-Saxon words around here.

by Granny Waiters on Jan 22, 2009 7:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Just a typo

Although I wouldn’t want anyone saying “fick you” to me either.

Why resort to name calling?
-Dionysus2.0

because I wish to insult you personally
-your friendly BullsBlogger

by Big D on Jan 22, 2009 10:09 PM CST up reply actions  

KC just clarified on CTL

that Ben didn’t curse directly AT Vinny, he was using expletives in a general sense (i.e. he was mad AT being fined)

http://awsomepeoplesearch.com/

by NormVanBeer on Jan 22, 2009 5:53 PM CST reply actions  

So like when I tell the woman that I

“don’t wanna do the fucking dishes right now” am I cursing @ her or @ the dishes?

…it’s both.

"The Zen philosopher Basho once wrote: 'A flute with no holes is not a flute, And a doughnut with no hole is a Danish.' He was a funny guy."

by Ugh It Live! on Jan 22, 2009 5:55 PM CST up reply actions  

kinda like what Big D just mentioned

I don’t think it was so much of a “fuck you Vinny for fining me you fuckin jerk”…maybe more like “what’s this fine all about? what the fuck!?”

http://awsomepeoplesearch.com/

by NormVanBeer on Jan 22, 2009 5:57 PM CST up reply actions  

Naw

You’re cursing out the “right now”.

12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.

by NBA Observer on Jan 22, 2009 7:09 PM CST up reply actions  

I think Hughes will vote in favor of it

Why resort to name calling?
-Dionysus2.0

because I wish to insult you personally
-your friendly BullsBlogger

by Big D on Jan 22, 2009 6:23 PM CST up reply actions  

nah...

Pax will trade for Adrian Griffin, to orchestrate said team vote.

I got nothing.

by Lt.Dan on Jan 22, 2009 8:23 PM CST up reply actions  

ha ha

but Ben Wallace and old old old man AG are out of town so im guessing no player suspensions anymore….

by Jscho316 on Jan 22, 2009 7:19 PM CST up reply actions  

I guess Gordon should be benched, right?

He was being UNPROFESSIONAL!

Man this team/organization is going down the crapper

by The90sBullsRevival on Jan 22, 2009 6:39 PM CST reply actions  

You got that right, 90BullsRevival. That last sound you heard behind closed doors was

the season being flushed down the toilet. Crappy is as crappy does.

Thanks, Jerry. and Pax. and Boylan. and Vinny. and Larry. and the rest of you disfunctional under achievers.
As the great Ron Santo once said….There’s always next year!, etc, etc. etc.

If you can't answer a man's arguments, all is not lost. You can still call him vile names.
Elbert Hubbard

by Tyrusmancrush on Jan 22, 2009 6:46 PM CST up reply actions  

Is?

The organization went to Hell when JR let JK run off PJ.

by Granny Waiters on Jan 22, 2009 7:45 PM CST up reply actions  

No, he should be benched

because passing the ball to BG is like something passing the event horizon of a black hole.

by messwiththebull on Jan 23, 2009 7:39 AM CST up reply actions  

I wouldn't be surprised

of a player mutiny tonight , raptors 150, bulls 1. It’s been fun bad like Matt said and now sad bad. Sigh. JR, send Pax home. PLEASE!

by T2fan on Jan 23, 2009 10:42 AM CST up reply actions  

Did Gordon

show up to practice with “Fire Vinny” headbands?

12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.

by NBA Observer on Jan 22, 2009 7:10 PM CST reply actions  

Its time for a trade and its time to take a chance (CARLOS BOOZER)

and not a Hughes for garbage type swap. If I was the Bulls I would seriously consider making the following trade with the Jazz.

Gooden/Nocioni/Simmons and a Top 5 protected pick (2009 Bulls option) for
Boozer/Harpring

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=1711245630301703306&teams=26262644&te=&cash=

The Jazz make this trade for a chance at a top 10 pick either in 2009 or 2010. It also leaves them with enough money to resign Milsap to an extension and adds some fire power off the bench. They don’t need Boozer on the court and the management doesn’t seem to have much love for him. The Bulls would rotation for the rest of the season would consist of:

Rose/Hinrich
Gordon/Hinrich
Deng/Sefo/Harpring
Boozer/Thomas/Harpring
Noah/Thomas/Gray

The Bulls trade 3 players they don’t want and a pick they don’t need for a chance to have the inside track on signing an all-star power forward who is only 27 year old. You sign him to a 5 year contract at near max money and you can expect to get a good return on your investment. You could give him Gordon’s money and let BG walk or renounce them both and save your money for the summer of 2010. Or give BG his money and let Boozer walk.

Boozer is an excellent compliment to our current bigs. He can score on the inside allowing Tyrus or Noah to play the high post. He is an excellent rebounder and so-so defender whose deficiencies could be hidden if the Bulls hired an adequate coach. Its time for the Bulls to take a chance. Boozer is the perfect guy for the Bulls to go after.

Noah and Deng with 2 all stars (Boozer/Rose) and Hinrich/Sefolosha + perhaps BG and Asik would give the Bulls a good chance to turn this team around next year. The Bulls need to give the Jazz a call.

by Basketball Smurf on Jan 22, 2009 7:13 PM CST reply actions  

I think the Jazz could do better than 3 players the Bulls find expendable.

That being said, Boozer would open up the game for Rose and BG, since the other team would have to respect his offense.

In Rose We Trust

by Granny Waiters on Jan 22, 2009 7:55 PM CST up reply actions  

He doesn't have a good track record of staying with his team,

that’s for sure.

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by Prevenge on Jan 23, 2009 12:30 AM CST up reply actions  

The Jazz may lose Boozer for nothing

I think a chance to get asset in the form of a lottery pick and to maintain their relative cap space would be a huge win for them. They can’t sign and trade Boozer because they can’t take on salary and still sign Milsap. They also have Deron Williams and Okur to think about and AK 47 on contract for 3 more years. They can’t afford Boozer and should be looking to get something for him.

The Bulls on the other hand, have to take a chance to get a low post scorer to balance this roster out. Its been 5 years since the Bulls received any sort of consisting scoring in the post. They have to take a chance to get an all-star who would fit with the current composition of the roster quite nicely. Before they blow up, shouldn’t they put the players they have in the best position to succeed first?

by Basketball Smurf on Jan 23, 2009 2:32 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah

I’m all for Boozer. When he’s healthy (unfortunately he’s not always) he’s damn damn good….

We need to pursue this as best we can, problem is our only tradable piece that they might want is Gordon and he’s not giving up the bird rights…..

I don’t think they’ll have the Hughes interest at all….

by majoyenrac on Jan 23, 2009 2:36 PM CST up reply actions  

they played the "ask the players" quote from Vinny on SportsNite

A reporter asked “do the players listen to you what you have to say, do they respect you?”…to which his answer was something like “do they respect me? They better, they should. Why don’t you go ask the players…go ask them”

You could tell that it got under his skin. Then five seconds later Ben walked up and threw a peanut-buttered slice of bread at his face!

Of course I made up that last part, but that would’ve been pretty cool to see… :)

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by NormVanBeer on Jan 22, 2009 7:27 PM CST reply actions  

BREAKING NEWS

It was not a fine over Peanut Butter and Jelly. The FDA has issued a nationwide recall on peanut butter.

So it was probably Gordon erasing his name from the white board.

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by Andrew7 on Jan 22, 2009 7:34 PM CST reply actions  

eddie jordan eddie jordan eddie jordan eddie jordan eddie jordan eddie jordan

"Kiss my Converse!" - Sho'nuff

by Belize on Jan 22, 2009 8:29 PM CST reply actions   2 recs

scratch that…ill take MJ’s mumbling

"Kiss my Converse!" - Sho'nuff

by Belize on Jan 22, 2009 8:51 PM CST up reply actions  

Ben Gordon's Attitude

I’m not a fan of Del Negro, if you watch him during games he looks like he’s suffering from PTSD. However, Gordon is so quietly moody and sad. Hinrich comes back and all of a sudden he’s a weepy little twat who’s numbers plummet in some kind of mental lapse. Do your job, man. Anybody else sick of these grown men on this team overtly and subtly acting like children?

by A Sandwich on Jan 22, 2009 9:16 PM CST reply actions  

So apparently the fine was for missing a flight deadline

Per KC

Gordon did not curse his coach directly but used profanity to emphasize his frustration, believing he had been falsely accused of the transgression.

Falsely accused? Strange way of putting it – I wonder what the story there is.

Man-slave, bring me my PB&J!

by wjb1492 on Jan 22, 2009 10:31 PM CST reply actions  

Either he missed the flight or he didn't.

I’ll take Gordon’s word over Vinny’s.

As D’Antoni said, Vinny’s a backstabber.

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by Andrew7 on Jan 22, 2009 11:06 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm not sure where.

I’m having difficulty tracking it down online.

But basically, D’Antoni was saying that he thought Vinny was badmouthing him around the Suns front office, and that he didn’t trust Vinny.

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by Andrew7 on Jan 22, 2009 11:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Hmmm sounds like a good start to a conspiracy theory

I’m starting to wonder if either of these two are on our side

Derrick is so unsuspecting

by Camry on Jan 22, 2009 11:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Gordon has always been professional since he has been in the NBA.

The Bulls have never had a problem out of him . He usually does everything they ask him to do no matter how he feels about the situation. I don’t know what happen but it must’ have been something petty. It just doesn’t seem like its in his character to snap on anyone . He is a very quiet guy that pretty much works hard and keeps to himself. VDN should be fired after this year. It was a terrible hire. You never hire a rookie coach (someone who has never coached in any form of the game) to coach a young team. Paxson needs to come down and coach this team. Its his mess.

by Beeman18 on Jan 22, 2009 10:36 PM CST reply actions  

I think being late for a team charter.

Is grounds for a fine…

" I've looked at these numbers and decided the #1 problem

is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger

by Dionysus2.0 on Jan 23, 2009 5:17 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah

I guess when I was backing Vinny for the “food fines” I was being ignorant.

I’ve joined the choir. Fire Vinny!….sighs only because this team is still a mess….

by majoyenrac on Jan 23, 2009 8:26 AM CST up reply actions  

yea but wasnt it over

BG being late to the plane or something. i know it was because he was late. so why shouldnt he get fined for it, if thats the policy? obviosly when guys like tyrus(who skipped practice) and duhon(for always being late) have been fined, so whats the justification of not doing this with BG? its a stupid policy to me, but if it is the policy, then they have to be fair to all the players right?

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by Yibs on Jan 23, 2009 9:38 AM CST up reply actions  

Sooooooo

sick of these weak-ass controversies. Either play well and shut up, or give me a REAL scandle. Something I can sink my teeth into. I want Joakim Noah’s pleasure yacht barrelling into Navy Pier, dammit.

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by MPG on Jan 23, 2009 6:50 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

ok.

time to start the official draft thread i think.

by grillo on Jan 23, 2009 8:08 AM CST reply actions  

He was fined for being late to a flight

Remember when Skiles kept Wallace on the bench a few times for coming late to the game due to traffic? This is no more of a situation than that or Duhon missing a practice. Big fucking deal. This team is throwing these things out to distract everyone from realizing how horrible they are.

Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Ozzie Montana on Jan 23, 2009 10:29 AM CST reply actions  

Dwight Howard was late to the Magic game last night...

and was not fined.

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by Andrew7 on Jan 23, 2009 10:36 AM CST up reply actions  

Howard could come to a game 15 minutes before tipoff

and drunk out of his mind and still play, and still get a 20-10-4 game

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by NittanyBull on Jan 23, 2009 10:52 AM CST up reply actions  

And Van Gundy will ream him for it in private, or in practice

And since Van Gundy has the respect of his players, and the team is winning, it will brush over.

Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Ozzie Montana on Jan 23, 2009 11:06 AM CST up reply actions  

SVG

Has at times reamed Howard publicly too. I think last year after the all star game just before the playoffs or so SVG after a win ragged that Howard needs to play his game and not be so concerned about scoring/touches for us to keep winning.

SVG’s pretty cool in that regard…..

by majoyenrac on Jan 23, 2009 11:17 AM CST up reply actions  

Indeed, he has criticized Howard for his lack of seriousness and defense at times

But again, Howard most likely respects, or at least tolerates Van Gundy because they were a winning team last year, and they are even better this season. When it was Brian Hill saying those things, Howard didn’t give two shits.

Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Ozzie Montana on Jan 23, 2009 11:26 AM CST up reply actions  

And

SVG’s a damn good coach who didn’t get a fair shake when he started to turn around that messy to integrate heat team that won it all…..

Those Van Gundy’s…..wish JVG would come back and be a Bulls coach….

by majoyenrac on Jan 23, 2009 11:37 AM CST up reply actions  

What happed to SvG?

I watched most of the UW games the year he coached there, and that team was a mess that did not improve during the season.

Guess experience and proper mentoring is worth something, eh?

In Rose We Trust

by Granny Waiters on Jan 23, 2009 6:34 PM CST up reply actions  

Dwight Howard > Ben Gordon.

Van Gundy > Del Negro.

" I've looked at these numbers and decided the #1 problem

is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger

by Dionysus2.0 on Jan 23, 2009 5:18 PM CST up reply actions  

ok, the bulls are almost at funny-bad

now lets bring back othella, adrian griffin, get michael ruffin healthy, and have the funniest basketball team on the planet

At least Larry Hughes isn't overrated

by Othella on Jan 23, 2009 11:57 AM CST reply actions  

Awesome commenter name

& the picture to go w/ it…well done sir.

"The Zen philosopher Basho once wrote: 'A flute with no holes is not a flute, And a doughnut with no hole is a Danish.' He was a funny guy."

by Ugh It Live! on Jan 23, 2009 1:31 PM CST up reply actions  

thank you

I see I’m not the only fan of the magical lefty jump hook.

At least Larry Hughes isn't overrated

by Othella on Jan 23, 2009 7:18 PM CST up reply actions  

And Philander Rodman III (his dad) as GM

now THAT would bring some real drama to Chicago sports

At least Larry Hughes isn't overrated

by Othella on Jan 23, 2009 7:19 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't know if anybody else has read freakonomics

But it makes an interesting point about fines. This daycare had a problem with people picking their kids up late, and so instituted a fine. And so all of a sudden more people started getting their late, because they could assuage their guilt by just paying a fine and they figured that everything was alright.
I think that Del Negro has created the same problem, the players (because of the fines) are now seeing this game more in terms of money. Its pretty much like he said “they aren’t listening to me, let’s hit them where it hurts: there wallet”. And now that is pretty much all they care about.
I mean that is the thing about fines they are personal, and most of the time in coaching you try and make it about the team. As a coach (albeit a 7th grade coach) you always make the whole team run for the screw-ups of one person, you almost never make the one person run. Because peer pressure is a good thing in sports, you want the players always thinking about the team and checking each other, and keeping each other focused. I know these guys are grown men, but at the same time, these principles (of team) need to be held in place a bit stronger than Vinny D micro-managing an entire team. I think the fines are quite possibly making the team focus on individual play and individual pay.
As a coach I was kind of shocked when Vinny D decided to coach this way. Anyways, I was just wondering what your guys’ take on it was, because I am a bit removed from the situation in Portland, why did he start fining people as punishment in the first place?

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by TheOdenator on Jan 23, 2009 12:03 PM CST reply actions  

this is an interesting point

I’m pretty sure Del Negro is not the only coach in the league to institute fines, but for offenses so minor, maybe. Also, Paxson might have something to do with it as well, so perhaps Del Negro doesn’t deserve all the blame. It could be that he is just implementing team policy. Regardless who is levying the fine, I agree that micro-managing with petty fines for petty offenses isn’t doing anyone any favors.

At least Larry Hughes isn't overrated

by Othella on Jan 23, 2009 12:10 PM CST up reply actions  

But Gordon isn't just accepting the fine

He called it out as bullshit. He’s not Derrick Coleman, who instead of adhering to the Nets’ dress code decided to pay 1,000 dollars every game so he could wear whatever he wanted.

Fines are a common practice for many NBA teams. But, you fine a player for doing something legitimately wrong, like skipping practice, or fighting with a teammate. Not eating a sandwich before the game.

What I wonder is if players know they are going to be late because of traffic or something, do they call or text someone with an excuse? Or do they just show up late?

Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs

by Ozzie Montana on Jan 23, 2009 12:38 PM CST up reply actions  

Hw was complaining because he didn't think he actually violated the rule:

“Gordon did not curse his coach directly but used profanity to emphasize his frustration, believing he had been falsely accused of the transgression.”
[says the tribune story]

"You remember the first time you picked up a basketball video game and you had no idea how to run plays, so you just gave the ball to your shooter and you ran around the court aimlessly until a defender was far enough away and then you jacked up a shot? THAT IS LARRY HUGHES!"
-Anonymous fan letter, heylarryhughespleasestoptakingsomanybadshots.com

by Prevenge on Jan 23, 2009 2:12 PM CST up reply actions  

that's a fair point

So maybe the bigger issue is that he is using these fines to a ridiculous degree, rather than the more general issue of using fines as punishment.

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by TheOdenator on Jan 23, 2009 2:17 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm afraid that the Bulls may be getting...

…to the point where they are becoming less attractive to prospective free agents due to the way the orgnization is being run. I remember having conversations with a few people who made it clear to me that NOBODY wanted to play for the Bulls during that time. Players do A LOT of talking to one another about things like this. From what I understand, reason number 1 being that the Bulls were bad. Number 2 being that the general opinion of Tim Floyd was that he knew nothing about the pro game. Number 3 being the way the organization treated their players. It didn’t help that Ben Wallace had so many problems when he was here (and he’s a popular guy around the league) and now the Larry Hughes situation is what it is. Both guys are borderline bums if you ask me, but the treatment of them can be questioned (headband incident for Wallace and Hughes never really having the shot he wanted at being a legitimate solution for us).

There are places in the league where guys can go be treated like grown men and still win at the same time. I’m afraid some of those destinations are once again starting to look better than Chicago to many prospective free agents. The sad thing is that Chicago is the best place in the league to play…but it seems lately that management has made it a miserable place to be.

by lexdiamonds0730 on Jan 23, 2009 1:28 PM CST reply actions  

Yeah

I don’t know though because our players have continually stated that they like the organization. Even BG two weeks ago was saying something like he always has liked this organization and would like to stay here.

We didn’t coddle up Ben Wallace….and un-Legend’s not happy again….

I think the fan base will give this team some interesting prospects in the fa market, so long as JR opens up the pocketbooks at the right time.

by majoyenrac on Jan 23, 2009 2:38 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm afraid that the Bulls may be getting...

…to the point where they are becoming less attractive to prospective free agents due to the way the orgnization is being run. I remember having conversations with a few people who made it clear to me that NOBODY wanted to play for the Bulls during that time. Players do A LOT of talking to one another about things like this. From what I understand, reason number 1 being that the Bulls were bad. Number 2 being that the general opinion of Tim Floyd was that he knew nothing about the pro game. Number 3 being the way the organization treated their players. It didn’t help that Ben Wallace had so many problems when he was here (and he’s a popular guy around the league) and now the Larry Hughes situation is what it is. Both guys are borderline bums if you ask me, but the treatment of them can be questioned (headband incident for Wallace and Hughes never really having the shot he wanted at being a legitimate solution for us).

There are places in the league where guys can go be treated like grown men and still win at the same time. I’m afraid some of those destinations are once again starting to look better than Chicago to many prospective free agents. The sad thing is that Chicago is the best place in the league to play…but it seems lately that management has made it a miserable place to be.

by lexdiamonds0730 on Jan 23, 2009 1:28 PM CST reply actions  

I'd agree with you on this and think it's time to scour the 2010 list for that year's "Ron Mercer"

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by snley on Jan 23, 2009 1:38 PM CST up reply actions  

I would rather not sign anyone than overpay on a multi-year contract.

Overpay a D-League scrub on a one-year contract to meet minimum team salary (if necessary).

In Rose We Trust

by Granny Waiters on Jan 23, 2009 6:46 PM CST up reply actions  

If the club goes through the same experience in 2010

that it went through in 2000 I think the only recourse is new ownership. If it comes to it, forced by the NBA.

None of this will happen. Reason: Grabowski’s Law.

12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.

by NBA Observer on Jan 23, 2009 2:13 PM CST up reply actions  

The headband rule is a perfect example

Why would anyone want to play for a team where they hassle you over something so unimportant? Maybe it doesn’t hurt when you’re signing somebody like Ben Wallace, who was going to take the highest offer no matter what, but as we saw, the Bulls obviously overpaid for him. Somebody like Lebron, though, is going to have multiple teams offering him the max. Somehow I doubt the Bulls are going to be that appealing a destination for him.

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by Big D on Jan 23, 2009 2:55 PM CST up reply actions  

and the olny way you get a player famous for wearing head bands...

…pay WWWAAAAAAYYYYY more than he’s worth.

Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!

by tyger1147 on Jan 23, 2009 5:23 PM CST up reply actions  

ha, I knew this was coming

gotta love the media blogs taking this story and running with it:

If Vinny Del Negro hasn’t completely lost the Bulls locker room yet, well, he’s misplacing bits and pieces every day. The latest example? He was the target of a profanity-laced explosion by one of the team’s elder statesmen in full view of the media following yesterday’s practice.

Profanity-laced explosion? Huh? And he was NOT the target. That’s not how it was reported at all. I usually like FanHouse, but this is just insane.

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by NormVanBeer on Jan 23, 2009 2:51 PM CST reply actions  

Yeah

That’s what I thought whent he initial story broke…..

If it was anyone else on this team, they wouldn’t have just said oh well….but Ben Gordon again must get some greedy press…..

Oh well, either way the fact that it’s an issue off the court and another distracting thing, given VDN’s subpar performance this year, it’s a major strike against him….and who knows might cost us BG’s services…..which I’m on the fence about anyway.

by majoyenrac on Jan 23, 2009 3:02 PM CST up reply actions  

Ziller is better

Watson, maybe not so much.

12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.

by NBA Observer on Jan 23, 2009 3:19 PM CST up reply actions  

Vinny speaks!
Friday morning, Del Negro said not only is Gordon not in further trouble but that the coach actually is happy to see some emotion from his players.

“I’m Italian, I like to argue. That’s how I grew up,” Del Negro said. "It doesn’t bother me. So whatever helps to get this team going, whatever comments are made, everybody knows where to find me. The players, everybody. Everybody says, ’What’s going on?’ Nothing’s going on, we’ve got to try to win. That’s what I focus on. . . . "

Gordon’s reaction, which included an expletive, was not interpreted by the coach as a sign of disrespect.

“No, because I argue with everybody,” Del Negro said. “It’s funny to me, it really is. This is pro basketball. If you can’t take the heat, you’d better get out. I’ve been around way too long to worry about that. I love that guys show passion. I hope guys argue and get on each other and get into it and show some fight and some grit. That’s what it’s all about. It’s not easy out there. That’s why it’s pro basketball. It’s easy to play, it’s hard to win. So when guys show passion and get aggravated, take it out on the other team. . . . You can’t back down. You’ve got to go and work. That’s what I believe.”

The Bulls, losers of their last three games going into Friday night’s game against Toronto at the United Center and struggling with inconsistent effort and teamwork, will again be without Drew Gooden, their best all-around big man. After absorbing more criticism from general manager John Paxson this week, the last thing they needed was more conflict.

“This is my sixth season and pretty much every year, it’s not all roses,” team captain Kirk Hinrich said. “Players have disagreements, coaches and players have disagreements. The main thing is we’re able to put stuff that happens aside and be professional and go out there and do our jobs, and that’s what we’re going to do.”

Asked if players respect Del Negro, Hinrich responded, “Yes, I think so. Absolutely. That’s what being a professional is. You respect your coaches, you respect that he has a job to do just like I do and everybody else.”

Gooden agreed.

“We have respect for him, that’s our head coach,” he said. “I don’t feel it’s a lack of respect toward Vinny. Some rules have been broken. It’s not on purpose, it’s not pre-meditated. Every team goes through having to fine guys for certain rules in the handbook. It’s no question of respect for the coach.”

While Gordon was unavailable for comment following Friday morning’s shootaround, Del Negro said the two of them had talked.

“I want Ben to play great tonight, that’s my focus,” Del Negro said. “The game is way bigger than an argument. Who cares about that stuff? That’s how I look at it and everybody who wants to argue, I’m a good arguer, so that’s fine.”

Perhaps, it was suggested, Del Negro has found the button he has been looking to push all season?

“I don’t know,” he said. "There’s no perfect scheme, there’s no miracle pill, there’s no perfect situation. You’ve got to go compete and play hard and make plays. I have to do a better job, the players have to do a better job, everyone has to do a better job. It’s not one person, it’s not one thing. It’s a group of people who have to work and pull in the right direction.

“And when there’s bumps in the road, the guys who stick with you and believe in your system and trust you and make a commitment, those are the guys I want to go to battle with. Not the guys who are going to point fingers and make excuses. That doesn’t work at this level.”

At least there’s one person more delusional than Vinny.

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by Big D on Jan 23, 2009 4:19 PM CST reply actions  

Holy cow

VDN with this whole “I’m Italian, shouting is just how I talk” thing…guess what?

Ben Gordon doesn’t communicate by shouting. He’s actually rather quiet. So when he’s yelling at you, using profanities in front of the media, it’s not his normal medium. It’s a special one, used only rarely, to communicate a special message: that he doesn’t respect you. Or fear you. Or find objectionable the notion of embarrassing you – in public.
 
Reading this, I got the feeling he was being intentionally obtuse so as not to have to recognize that he’d been dissed.

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by MPG on Jan 23, 2009 4:31 PM CST up reply actions  

In fairness, does he have any alternative?

“Yeah, Ben embarrassed the shit out of me and himself, but he has to consent to any trade, we can’t figure out what direction we want to go, and hey, Pax gave me a no confidence vote two days ago, so why the hell would he dump that guy for me? So yeah, I’m going to make nice, cash my check, start Ben and bench him in the fourth quarter again. I’ll be gone and he probably will be too next season, so don’t sweat it!”.

De gustibus non est disputandum

by Sports2 on Jan 23, 2009 6:57 PM CST up reply actions  

lol

http://awsomepeoplesearch.com/

by NormVanBeer on Jan 23, 2009 6:58 PM CST up reply actions  

Vinny is a meat head.
I love that guys show passion. I hope guys argue and get on each other and get into it and show some fight and some grit. That’s what it’s all about.

No Vinny, its not all about Passion, Fight or Grit…these are things that bad players use to overcome their lack of talent.

" I've looked at these numbers and decided the #1 problem

is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger

by Dionysus2.0 on Jan 23, 2009 5:42 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

This is not a big deal...

I thought at first it was, but I have reconsidered.

Stuff like this happens frequently during the course of a long season…Coaches and players clash, sometimes they use adult words when they do so…no biggie…the only big deal, and I suspect Ben didn’t know, is that the media happened to be within earshot when Gordon approached Vinny with the WTF? I could only imagine if the media were privvy to all of the interactions between members of the Bulls…

" I've looked at these numbers and decided the #1 problem

is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger

by Dionysus2.0 on Jan 23, 2009 5:26 PM CST reply actions  

It must be a chore to actually talk about the team when they're so awful

I guess creating big dramas between player and coach is more fun.

Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
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SuperSonicSoul
Hornets247.com 
SonicsCentral.com 
ClipperBlog.com  
The Nugg Doctor
Loy's Place
Reds Army
Need4Sheed
THE WIZZNUTZZ
RaptorsForum.com
TWolvesBlog.com
Spurs Dynasty
David's Memphis Grizzlies Blog
The Bratwurst
Sixers Journal
Sixers 4 Guidos 
3 Shades of Blue  
CavsNews.com
RaptorTalk
Deceptively Quick
TheLakersNation.com
Utah Jazzer Blog
KnicksDefense.com
T. Jose Caldeford
Hoopinion
RaptorBlog.com
Suns @NBAWeblog.com
The Cowhide Globe
Stepien Rules
Project Spurs
Raptors Republic
Dino Nation Blog
Lake Show Life
Valley of the Suns
The KnicksBlog.com
Big Lakers Fan
Roundball Mining Company
Cavs: The Blog
48 Minutes of Hell
Daily Thunder
Piston Powered
The Two Man Game
PistonsNationBlog.com
Cowbell Kingdom.com
Hot Hot Hoops
NetsAreScorching
Celtics Hub
Orlando Magic Daily
Philadunkia
Truth About It
Always Miller Time
Slippery When Nets
Eight Points Nine Seconds
Howlin' T-Wolf
Red 94

MSM NBA blogs:

Ira Winderman (Heat)
Jason Quick (Blazers)
IndyStar.com (Pacers)
Michael Cunningham (Hawks) 
Full-Court Press (Pistons)
Jonathan Feigen (Rockets)
Rick Bonnell (Bobcats)
Jazz Notes
Chris Herrington (Grizzlies)
Orlando Sentinel
Michael Lee (Wizards)
Alan Hahn (Knicks)   
Doug Smith (Raptors)
Marc Berman (Knicks)
Al Iannazzone (Nets)

For the Statheads:
Basketball-Reference.com
APBR Discussion
Knickerblogger's Stat Page
82Games.com
Doug's Stats
Popcorn Machine
HoopData


Other Resources:

HoopsHype Salaries
SportsTwo Salaries
ESPN.com Trade Machine
RealGM: NBA Draftpicks Owed
ShamSports.com Salaries
DraftExpress

 


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