I can't find a link or quote yet.
But on my way home while listening to ESPN 1000.
They reported that did not only VDN dismiss all his criticisms by saying he doesn't really care what people say/write about him.But he also got into a fight with Gordon. Apparently Gordon was so upset he didn't even talk to reporters.
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I heard the fight was about...
energy drinks. Vinny is a Red Bull guy and Gordon was trying to sell him on his energy drink prototype.
by J Theory on Jan 22, 2009 3:15 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
funny stuff
Vinny Del Negro: "I'm not a puppet, I'm a REEALLL Coach!"
by chibullsfan03 on Jan 22, 2009 3:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow!
Maybe that’s why our had been pretty consistent looking like an all star even if he won’t get that respect because writers and press even still call him a 6th man candidate and rank him in the top 3 6th men so far this season despite the fact that he’s played all but what 6-8 games as a starter, suddenly went from consistent, nice D (not great, but decent) and solid scoring, to doing nothing the past 4-5 games….
by majoyenrac on Jan 22, 2009 3:41 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Fight
may have happened today, but I’m sure if it did it’s been brewing.
Can’t wait to see thsi post.
by majoyenrac on Jan 22, 2009 3:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
just heard the report
said that Vinny was seen having an “animated exchange” with Gordon after practice.
They also had VDN audio that was Marinelli-esque: I’m disappointed because we’re losing. What are we going to do, sulk about it? We have to do the work and I’m doing the work.
(something like that)
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 22, 2009 3:42 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Did Vinny call the reporters "ladies?"
Why resort to name calling?
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by Big D on Jan 22, 2009 3:44 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
more audio is being played now...
Gave the usual ’don’t have time to worry about media, their job is to fill space’.
I thought there’d be more. Man…these goofs on 1000 do not follow the Bulls. Outside of new guy Carmen DeFalco, but he’s more the driver of the show instead of the commentator.
Though Carmen said it’s impossible to say in a half season if he’s over his head. I disagree, if you’re a rookie coach you start out as ‘in over your head’ and then you have to prove you’re not.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 22, 2009 3:50 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Again
They really don’t know what they’re talking about.
Harry watches the Bulls but doesn’t follow them at all….I think yesterday or the day before he was talking about the Bulls and I wish I could remember the particulars, but they were just saying many of the most moronic things back and forth, with Harry leading the charge….
Still I prefer them to Dan MacNeil and always like Harry’s humour (he’s the funny one)—even if he ain’t that funny..
by majoyenrac on Jan 22, 2009 4:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
let the
“Gordon must go” games begin. This should fun.
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by NormVanBeer on Jan 22, 2009 3:51 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I thought they started
the day kirk returned ;-)
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by piccolomair on Jan 22, 2009 4:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
touche :-)
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by NormVanBeer on Jan 22, 2009 4:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Or will it be
Vinny must go.
We’ve heard nothing about BG ever being a problem before…..Paxson’s always said he’s been more than professional…..he has 5+ yrs with us and has been our most consistent through that time…..Vinny’s had .5 yrs…
by majoyenrac on Jan 22, 2009 4:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
BG has always been a problem
He is an unprofessional sandwich eater.
We have always been at war with Eastasia.
by reprisal on Jan 22, 2009 4:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We have always been at war with Westasia!
Ignorance is strength!
Big Shot Larry will save us all!
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by Prevenge on Jan 22, 2009 5:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Whoa
David Schuester just reported on 670 that Gordon approached VDN with a ‘piece of paper’, and apparently what was on that paper was details of a fine that he was given. And Gordon was not happy, of the expletive variety.
holy trainwreck.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 22, 2009 4:06 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
also, he noted
Ben did this to VDN in front of the media (thus, why we know).
I’m not sure if that was on purpose or not :)
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 22, 2009 4:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ah you see!!!
Kirk would never do something like this in front of the media…thats why he’s the favorite ;-)
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by piccolomair on Jan 22, 2009 4:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It sounds like Ben Gordon brought it out in front of the media.
Not vice versa…
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is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger
by Dionysus2.0 on Jan 22, 2009 4:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Duh.
Reading comprehension. My bad.
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is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger
by Dionysus2.0 on Jan 22, 2009 4:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
lol, was about to post an ass-holish comment
Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Jan 22, 2009 4:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think I already did that.
" I've looked at these numbers and decided the #1 problem
is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger
by Dionysus2.0 on Jan 22, 2009 4:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I call it
a power play by BG. He reads up on stuff. Im sure he heard Pax give VDN no love yesterday. This was the perfect storm for BG do take VDn one further to getting canned…
by Bulls4Ever on Jan 22, 2009 4:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Bulls
and drama…this is so 2007-’08
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by piccolomair on Jan 22, 2009 4:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yep over a fine on paper
its really over. I can’t see him past the All Star break
by Jscho316 on Jan 22, 2009 4:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
With all these fines and rules
How is VDN different from Skilies?
I understand having rules and such, but there is a point where they become way too much.
They are grown men, well maybe minus Rose
by Edicus2288i on Jan 22, 2009 4:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
skiles
was the better coach….
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by piccolomair on Jan 22, 2009 4:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
not sure how the fines are different
but it sure sounds like they don’t respect VDN.
This is really glaring if Ben Gordon is doing this. He’s always been the silent professional type (to a fault, some would say).
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 22, 2009 4:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
But even if they don't respect VDN
isn’t acting like you respect your coach “professional”. Yes I mean this seriously.
by CJ Bulls on Jan 22, 2009 7:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes,
and that’s why whenever Gordon is asked about it he sidesteps the question.
Nothing like this involving Gordon has happened before – that’s why it’s so glaring.
"You remember the first time you picked up a basketball video game and you had no idea how to run plays, so you just gave the ball to your shooter and you ran around the court aimlessly until a defender was far enough away and then you jacked up a shot? THAT IS LARRY HUGHES!"
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by Prevenge on Jan 23, 2009 12:39 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't recall any fines from Skiles era
except with the Big Ben headband fiasco.
I could be forgetting something, of course, but it seems to me that might be something of a difference between Skiles and VDN.
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by Sports2 on Jan 22, 2009 8:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
From another thread...
Sloan – rep = Skiles = VDN
Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!
by tyger1147 on Jan 22, 2009 9:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Wasn't Duhon fined for missing practice?
And he did bench Big Ben in the playoffs for coming to the game late.
Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Jan 23, 2009 10:33 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What a disaster
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by Illini15 on Jan 22, 2009 4:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Was that how he was informed of the fine?
If so, I can see why he’d be pissed off. If you’re going to fine someone for something, at least be man enough to tell them face to face. Confronting the coach in front of the media is pretty unprofessional, but Gordon’s never been known for being a troublemaker, so this shows that things must be pretty bad.
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by Big D on Jan 22, 2009 4:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
:::::sigh:::::
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by Belize on Jan 22, 2009 4:10 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
If BG ends up leaving because they keep VDN...
I’m gonna start being a Grizzlies fan. At least I know that they are never gonna win.
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by Bigred15 on Jan 22, 2009 4:12 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
I bet Hinrich starts next game...
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by Illini15 on Jan 22, 2009 4:13 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
What other NBA 1st year coaches..
… lose their teams this quick. I’m not counting Boylan cause that was a midyear interm coach. I am talking about a coach signed at the begining of year that has at least a 2 year contract.
Reggie Theus made it 1.2 years?
by Jscho316 on Jan 22, 2009 4:15 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I tried finding an example a couple weeks ago
only one that came up was Randy Ayers, a post-Larry Brown Sixers coach that Iverson quickly soured on.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 22, 2009 4:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Jerry Tarkanian only lasted about 20 games with the Spurs
That was like 16 years ago though.
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by Big D on Jan 22, 2009 4:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
did vdn finally catch on to
ben gordon eating his pb&j…..? That would be pretty funny if thats what happpened (not to mention very sad if thats what happened)
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by piccolomair on Jan 22, 2009 4:17 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
yeah.. and it was on a practice day in the locker room...
man up!
by exult463 on Jan 22, 2009 5:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I heard that during practice an errant pass from Ben Gordon slightly grazed Vinny’s hair, hence the fine.
by chowder on Jan 22, 2009 6:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
man you are such a liar
everyone knows that bg dont pass
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by piccolomair on Jan 22, 2009 10:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sure he does...
and most of his pass end up out of bounds…
however Vinny would have done a lot more than fine BG if he had messed with the hair
by reprisal on Jan 22, 2009 10:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yea
this is the kind of news that we want to hear about a struggling team
tey are all idiots.
Chicago... Where giving up career nights happens
by Yibs on Jan 22, 2009 4:20 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Wow
This team continues to reach new levels of crap. BG is many things on the court, but off the court you never hear stories of him being a locker room disturbance. To get the ire of Larry Hughes and Tyrus Thomas I can get, but to incite rage from a guy who’s looking for a big contract?
Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Jan 22, 2009 4:24 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
So you have Rose, Hinrich, Deng, Nocioni and Gray as the only ones worth keeping.
All the others are either selfish, head-cases, lazy asses or just not good enough, right? I’m thinking the Bulls will no longer be my favorite team coming soon. I feel sorry for anyone who has to follow this train-wreck.
I wonder, honestly, whether things would be different if D’Antoni were the coach. Obviously not, due to the lack of personal responsibility of the players, but I still wonder….
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by tyger1147 on Jan 22, 2009 4:38 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I have a strong belief
that d’antoni and rose could not coexist. Meaning if we had gotten d’antoni, we would have remained with the 9th pick. No one else found it too much of a coinicidence that the team that ended up without 9th pick, was the knicks. Especially since it was a widely help thought throughout the league that the knicks had effectively stolen d’antoni from us.
At least the bulls have rose, so maybe for the next 3 years teh bulls suck but the future can still be bright. With d’antoni we would be stuck with this team while the knicks would turn it around with rose at the helm.
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by piccolomair on Jan 22, 2009 4:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
huh?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 22, 2009 4:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Piccosays:David Stern Fixed the draft
by reprisal on Jan 22, 2009 4:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
not exactly
although i dont rule that out as a possibility.
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by piccolomair on Jan 22, 2009 10:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No, they would have been. And if not,
the ones that weren’t on board probably would have been shipped the fuck out before this trainwreck of a season even started. Since D’Antoni appears to have some real nuts and wouldn’t be suckered into playing shitty veterans all the time.
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by Illini15 on Jan 22, 2009 4:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i dont know
d’antoni kinda likes his shitty veterans like Q Rich.
by Sambossanova on Jan 22, 2009 6:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Have you seen the rest of their roster?
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by Illini15 on Jan 22, 2009 6:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Any word on what the exchange was about?
Man this season has gotten ugly quick.
by Bullsfanla on Jan 22, 2009 4:47 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Over a fine
that Vinny gave BG. KC just said on CTL that BG’s swearing was not directed at Vinny but was about the fine itself.
by sue369 on Jan 22, 2009 5:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Tad bit more light...
by Ayeljay54 on Jan 22, 2009 4:48 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
eff it...I dont know how to post a link apparently
by Ayeljay54 on Jan 22, 2009 4:48 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Hahaha
http://www.suntimes.com/sports/1392889,delnegro-gordon-shouting-012209.article
Minutes after coach Vinny Del Negro told the media to ask his players if they respect him, Ben Gordon was seen by reporters confronting Del Negro and using expletives toward the coach.
Maybe the coaching profession just isn’t Vinny’s thing.
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by Big D on Jan 22, 2009 4:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
AHAHAHAHAHA
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by Illini15 on Jan 22, 2009 4:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sweet.
At least there is something interesting to talk about. Both these clowns need to go.
by illini23 on Jan 22, 2009 4:52 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Ben Speaks
“I respect Vinny, everybody respects Vinny,” Gordon said, declining to go into detail. “This is not a `respect’ issue. It’s a non-issue.”
by Ayeljay54 on Jan 22, 2009 4:58 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Good thing he respects Vinny
Otherwise, he might have pulled a Sprewell on him rather than simply hurling expletives at him.
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by Big D on Jan 22, 2009 5:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Perhaps he meant
it’s a naan issue? That would explain the fine.
by YaoPau on Jan 22, 2009 5:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Naan?
Perhaps more of a roti thing ;)
Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Jan 22, 2009 8:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
wow
Ben is usually a cool, calm guy (from what we’ve seen), so this strikes me out of the ordinary. Can we officially call this season “over” now? Vinny has officially lost the team.
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by NormVanBeer on Jan 22, 2009 5:01 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
they fined him for not playing defense.
Well if not….I would.
by ImmanuelKant on Jan 22, 2009 5:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
There must be a lot of fines on this team then
If the fine money goes to charity, then there shouldn’t be many starving children in the Chicagoland area this year.
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by Big D on Jan 22, 2009 5:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Apparently, Reinsdorf got tired of coaxing fans into giving him money, so during the coach he looked for a coach that would maximize player fines instead of wins.
by chowder on Jan 22, 2009 5:54 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
whew....You know it's getting out of hand
when Gordon is handling himself in this manner. He has always been professional, handling his yo yo ride from the bench to the starting line up and back again with grace and dignity, this is such a departure. Regardless of his backpedaling from this dust up, its very hard to believe that it isn’t a respect issue. A lack of respect from VDN to the players causing it to be reciprocated back. I get the feeling that Vinny left the fine in Gordon’s locker, catching BG by the surprise. VDN should have manned up and given it to Ben directly. That said, Gordon obviously should have waited either for the media to depart or have been behind closed doors before confronting Vinny. Mishandled all around. This should suprise no one, after all, we are Bulls fans.
by idel212 on Jan 22, 2009 5:10 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Gordon didn't mishandle this.
If Gordon gets VDN fired, all Bulls fans should chip in in a facebook cause, and give the money to BG.
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by Andrew7 on Jan 22, 2009 6:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Fair enough
Though if VDN gets fired, Gordon can’t solely claim the credit. More of a collective team effort (it’s first this season?). Though Gordon acting out of character is the exclamation point. Man, almost feel bad for Pax at this point, almost. His empire of dirt is crumbling fast.
by idel212 on Jan 22, 2009 6:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The key is to have Larry Hughes
Plant a peanut butter and jelly in Derrick Rose’s locker, and finish the job.
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by Andrew7 on Jan 22, 2009 6:38 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I can't jump on agianst ben for the same reason
That hes been a pro off the court for 5 years and VDN in a couple of stretches has been the worst coach I think some people have ever seen.
by Camry on Jan 22, 2009 6:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Skiles took Ben to the playoffs three times. Calhoun won him a championship. Boylan…well even he had a better win% than VDN.
Vinny needs to go. He’s doing worse than Boylan, despite having Derrick Rose on his team.
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by Andrew7 on Jan 22, 2009 6:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Can it get worse than this? Yes we can lose to Toronto tomorrow!
Just read through the thread. This is too much! VDN and BG will not be here next year. Unbelievable!
by chgobr on Jan 22, 2009 5:55 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
But who would have thought the game would be a blowout,
with the Bulls trailing by 3 with less than 6 minutes left?
The season is lost, blow the team up.
by Granny Waiters on Jan 24, 2009 2:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Pax needs to fire Vinny
There’s no way he will gain players trust again. It’s not a question of respect, but of trust…
by bull83 on Jan 22, 2009 6:08 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
And I thought it couldn't get worse
So this time I’m not going to say at least it can’t get worse…
by Camry on Jan 22, 2009 6:50 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Curious as to what the fine was
For not being Kirk or Noc? While I realize that rules are rules, good leaders know when to enforce them and when to bend them. Sometimes a look given can be enough. It’s amazing the poor leadership skills that are being demonstrated. VDN is losing this team fast.
by idel212 on Jan 22, 2009 6:57 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
The real question is how rare is this?
It seems like this kind of stuff happens a lot with teams, the Chicago media just reports on it more. I mean it’s not a national story near as I can tell. So maybe we’re just overblowing it.
by CJ Bulls on Jan 22, 2009 7:09 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
i recall reading somewhere after the eating incident
that a lot of fines happen behind the scenes but no one reports on them. and maybe the same thing would have happened if he hadn’t been caught yelling at vinny in public.
by Jaina on Jan 22, 2009 8:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
In Memphis Rudy Gay essentially said he wouldn't care if Marc Iavaroni ever got fired
So, yeah this happens on most teams. It’s just you expected this team to start anew after the whole Boylan fiasco, it’s just the same old stuff.
Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Jan 22, 2009 8:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe
I guess the attention that its receiving is more due to Gordon’s reaction to it, than a fine taking place. BG is stoic by nature and he seemed a bit shocked by it to say the least.
by idel212 on Jan 22, 2009 7:16 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
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