HELLO LARRY?: The Nets and Bulls have discussed a deal that would bring veteran shooting guard Larry Hughes to New Jersey for Bobby Simmons and Maurice Ager, league sources said. Sean Williams was offered instead of Ager, but Chicago wasn't interested.
Both sides are considering it, although the Bulls are talking to many teams about Hughes, who is signed through next season.
The Nets are weighing whether the deal makes them that much better and if it's financially smart. The additional salary next season would be more than $3 million.
http://www.northjersey.com/sports/nets/Benching_left_mark_on_Harris.html
[Here's more on the potential trade. -ed.]
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Smoke screen as a wish list for the Nets.
Why would we want to trade Larry for 2 more guards, or even 1 more guard who can play who isn’t as good as Larry and 1 other guard who can sit….
Seems a bit silly.
Keep Larry, wait til next year.
by majoyenrac on Jan 20, 2009 11:09 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
because larry won't be happy sitting
Ager will be out of the league next season, Simmons can play the 3 but as a “good citizen” won’t bitch on the bench. Plus it frees up money to sign Gordon if we so choose. This is a good trade for the Bulls. No one is going to give up anything of value for Larry when he has that contract.
by Basketball Smurf on Jan 20, 2009 11:15 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
How do you know
he’ll still be a “good citizen” when he’s benched the rest of the year.
How is Simmons an upgrade over Noc?
Seriously…..
I’d rather hold onto Larry until this offseason and get something possibly at draft day, dangling that $12.6-13.5M or whatever it is as expiring bait to make folks who have more cap room than the Bulls do and will eager for something….unless we get a real trade this year.
Folks might just give up something of value for Larry only because of the circumstance 2010 involves…..don’t cut that short. Larry can contribute a bit, but isn’t in a position to on our team.
I get letting him go bc he’s complaining to a degree, but then again we ain’t going anywhere and he’s lost on the team (they aren’t following him) so let him complain and let us get something that might be a bit of value….even a 10-12 pick…..with the dangling expiring might be good.
by majoyenrac on Jan 20, 2009 11:33 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
WHAT?!?!
why would someone give up a 10-12 pick for Larry frickin’ Hughes unless the Bulls are taking back worse contracts.
I’ve yet to hear a fully laid out argument as to why Hughes’s contract gets more valuable a year from now.
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by tyger1147 on Jan 20, 2009 11:50 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
LOOK AT THE 2010
Free agent class….
I don’t think a lot of teams want to remain in the 10-12 mediocrity lottery…..having Hughes expire in a year is a big plus for them.
10-12 picks aren’t usually the best in the world, of course there are a few Kobe Bryant’s and Steve Nash’s, but in case of Nash, his game wasn’t noticed by the team that drafted him, and Kobe was an anomally who in today’s game of drafting the younger players with the upside is going to be taken first.
Larry can play a bit folks, he makes way too much $$ and is our 4th best guard, but he can play and will hold some more value.
A 10-12 pick isn’t absurd, especially given the cap spacing folks are going to try to do to get a nice deal on a great player in the next year (Bulls are a young team not destined to be a part of this, unless we get a Jermaine O’Neal for cap considerations….and that doesn’t seem likely.
If there’s not a better trade out there, keep him….
And I know I’m talking with you tyger, so oh well.
by majoyenrac on Jan 20, 2009 12:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No, wait, we can have a rational discussion.
What does the other team gain by trading the pick? A year and a half of Larry Hughes? And if they aren’t trading salaries (since you never mentioned that), they’re paying Hughes $18 or $19 million more over the next two years plus a lottery pick? I am missing something huge here.
Unless you’re saying they trade back a contract PLUS the pick for Hughes. Is that what you mean?
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by tyger1147 on Jan 20, 2009 12:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Because, looking at the 2010 free agent class...
…I don’t see how adding Hughes to their roster without taking anyone off helps the 2010 class.
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by tyger1147 on Jan 20, 2009 12:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The other team
Likely too doesn’t have Kirk, Rose, Ben and a hopefully at sometime if he gets PT decent Thabo youth movement….
by majoyenrac on Jan 20, 2009 12:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
and how is Simmons' 2010 contract any different?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 20, 2009 12:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
that draft day deal isn't happening
nobody is giving up a 10-12 pick for Larry Hughes. He has no value in the league. He is terrible – that is what you are missing. He has been awful for 3 to 4 years straight. And we aren’t giving any expiring, we are cutting salary and getting an expiring contract w/ Simmons. Simmons is just happy to be in the league at this point. Upgrade over Noce? Who knows. But his contract is done next season so it allows you to move Noce.
You free up a little bit of salary for next season and get an expiring contract for next year too that is just as good for trade bait as Larry Hughes. And you get a replacement for Noce if the Bulls decide to go in that direction. Its really a win-win.
by Basketball Smurf on Jan 20, 2009 11:51 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
you're missing majoyerac's point
“we all know and acknowledge that Larry Hughes is terrible and has been so for several years. What I’m suggesting is… maybe he isn’t?”
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 20, 2009 11:53 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
hahaha thanks Eli
and in other news…Go Mordecai!
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by Ugh It Live! on Jan 20, 2009 12:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
he's not terrible
15.0 lifetime PER, 14.0 PER this year (consistent with the Cleveland days) despite a very inconsistent PT schedule. He is a chucker yes, and forgets assignments at times, yes, but he’s not AWFUL bottom of the barrel done in this league awful.
Compared to our last completely hated SG (Jalen Rose) Larry Hughes looks pretty damn good, and is pretty damn good.
We just have too much depth for him and he wants to play ahead of our better 3 (Kirk, BG and Rose)….he can’t get the time….
He makes a lot, sure….even Sam Smith says it might be best to hold onto him….
So why do you accept Sam Smith, and when I reiterate what I’ve been saying, you act like I’m a moron?
by majoyenrac on Jan 20, 2009 12:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Talent
wise no; he is not awful. But chemistry wise with this team….. he is awful.
by J Theory on Jan 20, 2009 12:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with that 100%
But as has been said on here, the team isn’t listening to him off the court anyway (Larry has lost the team) so the chemistry thing ain’t a big problem at all, and Vinny’s DNP-CD him, so where’s the harm.
I could see if he had Tyrus or even worse Rose in his backpocket that would be an issue, but we had a link on BaB just last week indicating that was anything but the case.
by majoyenrac on Jan 20, 2009 12:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm going to get into Paxons head for a minute
Or at least try to.
Paxson come from the Bulls who practiced hard. A great practice is when your back up players push the starters and vice versa.
Maybe Larry doesn’t effect them on game day but it has to show during practice. Would you think he would give 100% in practice? By getting Simmons you get a player who even though benched he will give you those practice minutes and his deal still expires in 2010.
Where as with LH you don’t get those pracitice minutes and the team suffers because of it.
by J Theory on Jan 20, 2009 12:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
or Larry
Just doesn’t come to practice because he won’t play and you get Thabo playing more….
by majoyenrac on Jan 20, 2009 12:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
so you let one player not practice
and make the others?
by J Theory on Jan 20, 2009 3:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Is Larry Hughes expiring contract
worth $3 million more than Bobby Simmons expiring deal next year? You expect to make up all that value? Have you considered any of the reasons Sam Smith said it might be best to hold on to him? No. Having you considered that most beat writers say ridiculously dumb things from time to time? Apparently not, you just accept Sam Smith.
by reprisal on Jan 20, 2009 12:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No,
I’ve been saying this a lot longer than Sam Smith said it last week….
And yes $3M more expiring could mean a lot for teams under the cap to spend/offer….
Last thing say Indiana might want is another 9-12 pick….
by majoyenrac on Jan 20, 2009 12:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So what would they trade us?
Give us one real, possible example. Just one.
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by tyger1147 on Jan 20, 2009 12:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You made me do it.
you made me say “us”. I’m so disgusted with myself.
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by tyger1147 on Jan 20, 2009 12:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Again
You are the biggest moron on this blog.
Let’s see a team has $15M to spend on a free agent aligned for next year or $15M to spend on retaining their big guy. They dump a contract on the Bulls (Who will not be players next year with all of our young players regardless of what BaBers think unless we get Jermaine O’Neal, which ain’t happening) and these teams think, gee I can only offer $15M….and the guy leaves for $20M elsewhere to his new team….
Or they can offer $18M and the guy stays for the hometown discount.
by majoyenrac on Jan 20, 2009 12:29 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Do you have any idea what you just typed?
Seriously. I mean, for real, seriously.
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by tyger1147 on Jan 20, 2009 12:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I love to jump in other blogs & make an ass of myself
But do you realize draft picks have no monetary value until after the July Moratorium is lifted?
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
by pookeyguru on Jan 20, 2009 1:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not jumping
On any other blogs….nor was I talking to you (tyger and I don’t see eye to eye at all, and he’s incapable of coming up with an original thought—or is just too lazy to type it I guess).
I don’t understand why having $3M more to spend on a FA is an issue, especially when the guy you get in return if given minutes on a team where he can play and isn’t behind better players ain’t going to 100% kill your team.
I wasn’t saying we wouldn’t take something else….or have to include something else, but the Unlegend could account for something, a diamond in the rough 10-12 draft pick (and he could be a nice piece to get that done).
by majoyenrac on Jan 20, 2009 1:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm in capable of replying to your ridiculousness.
Yes, that’s true.
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by tyger1147 on Jan 20, 2009 1:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well
You just did because I guess I’m not ridiculous.
by majoyenrac on Jan 20, 2009 1:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Wuzn't talking about you
I was talking about me. In regards to jumping onto other blogs.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
by pookeyguru on Jan 20, 2009 1:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh ok then
Sorry and that’s good.
No problem then, sorry.
Tyger for some reason and I always end up in nonsense discussions because he won’t say anything except the BaB mass stuff, nor will he write it because he’s too lazy to type…..that’s all.
by majoyenrac on Jan 20, 2009 1:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And I'm very sure you don't even have a clue of what i meant
So let me say this differently: Larry Hughes for Indy’s 1st round pick won’t work. Draft picks have no value at draft time. Even then, if you waited until July, Indiana won’t have the cap room to absorb an uneven money deal such as that.
I guess, what I’m wondering is, who else is going to be included in that deal to make it work? (And I mean players on Indy’s roster.)
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by pookeyguru on Jan 20, 2009 1:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
One minor changw
Draft Picks have no monetary value at draft time as far as the CBA is concerned. (Collective Bargaining Agreement.)
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by pookeyguru on Jan 20, 2009 1:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I wasn't saying
1 for 1…..sorry just using them as a team that might think, let’s add something to this and get Hughes……just to try to get something nice in the future.
I wasn’t clear…I do that oftenw hen I throw things out there…sorry.
by majoyenrac on Jan 20, 2009 2:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I was really
Just using Indiana as a team that’s been in the Bulls semi-mediocre mode for a while, one not quite bad enough to be truly awful, but strapped because they likely aren’t good enough to get much better either….
Didn’t think particulars with them….I guess think maybe the Bucks as another, Kings as another, and a hundred other teams.
Course I bet the Clipps’ll get a nice piece and do a quick turnaround….with a new coach that is….I haven’t seen much of them other than that game against us (And we’re not really the team by which to judge others sadly) but on paper they are far better than they are in reality…..a strange chemistry less team.
by majoyenrac on Jan 20, 2009 2:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You didn't come up with a specific...
…because there isn’t one. You’re in ding-dong fairyland of vaguaries and generalizations. Let’s come back to the real world.
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by tyger1147 on Jan 20, 2009 2:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You aren't worth
my time, yet I still waste it.
Bucks, Indiana, Charlotte, Sacramento, GSW, teams just good enough to typically not make an 8th seed, or just good enough to win 30 games, but not good enough to ever compete…
Besides, la la fairy tale land is far better than modern Bulls I guess….and at least i’m original…:)
by majoyenrac on Jan 20, 2009 2:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So was William Hung.
That is all.
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by tyger1147 on Jan 20, 2009 3:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Where would Larry Hughes get minutes
anywhere in the NBA? Seriously.
I can’t think of one club that could use his skills. This just kills me because it makes put on a happy face Larry Legend posts not so much fun either.
Larry Hughes is done in this league. Only a contract keeps him in it.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Jan 20, 2009 12:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I can think of a few places
Dallas, New York, maybe Charlotte. Maybe Orlando? Maybe Toronto? Maybe the Wiz?
De gustibus non est disputandum
by Sports2 on Jan 20, 2009 1:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Chicago...for the first half of the season.
He is only done if he chooses to be done ala Latrell Sprewell and Bonzi Wells. Someone will offer him a contract after this contract if finished.
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is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger
by Dionysus2.0 on Jan 20, 2009 2:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
if he was a free agent this summer
I don’t see him getting more than Ricky Davis ($5m/1yr+PO)
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 20, 2009 2:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He might
Get RD but 2 years +1 PO. He is better than Ricky Davis too.
by majoyenrac on Jan 20, 2009 2:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Spre and Wells could finish and get to the line
Hughes can barely dunk at this point in his career.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Jan 20, 2009 2:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not just Larry Hughes
Folks underestimate that draft….and underestimate Larry
by majoyenrac on Jan 20, 2009 12:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
wtf?
Why does Larry Hughes have the trade value of a high lottery pick? That’s just insanity.
I don’t know what you see in Hughes, on his best day he’s merely an average perimeter player. He isn’t the slasher everyone keeps saying he would be. Can’t shoot, average defender, so very meh. And at that price no one is dumb enough to trade a draft pick for him. On top of all that, he’s got an insufferable ego that required a closed door session with Paxson and Vinny to keep him quiet.
Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Jan 20, 2009 11:53 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
10-12 AIN'T A HIGH LOTTERY PICK
And given the obscene amount of free agents and teams seeing what the vetaeran bunch can do to a team given teh Celtics, the game’s changed a bit.
I’m not saying use Larry as the be all end all for a 10-12 pick (Add a sweetener) but it might a reason to get past his contract and roll some dice.
We’d have to add more as would the other team, but don’t underestimate that contract expiring before the best fa class of our lifetime….
I mean Sczerbiak might even be traded, and Larry’s a better player than Wally by quite some space….I think Sam Smith too also indicated that it would be a good trade for both clubs as we could use the money this offseason to go after a few things, and the Cavs need all the help they can for James and a player next year….
by majoyenrac on Jan 20, 2009 12:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And just to be clear...
…you think Larry Hughes and Andres Nocioni are actually pretty good players and that they have real trade value around the league, right?
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by tyger1147 on Jan 20, 2009 12:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm pretty sure he just goes thru the threads
looking for places to take up a cause and start a “debate.” He defends Hughes, Noc, Gooden and VDN."
by reprisal on Jan 20, 2009 12:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think
Larry Hughes is a particularly Good player, but he’s definately league average for a veteran off the bench, 7th man or so. He will likely get a $3-4M 2-3 yr deal. I mean he’s a better player than Ricky Davis and less selfish believe it or not, and yet Davis keeps getting signed.
I don’t think Andres Nocioni is a star by any stretch but he could start for a handful of teams……and is hardly as bad as you want to say.
by majoyenrac on Jan 20, 2009 12:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
How quickly too
We forget, folks think Larry ain’t tradable, well we traded BEN WALLACE.
by majoyenrac on Jan 20, 2009 12:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
for an equally untradeable Larry Hughes.
So you’re waiting to trade Larry Hughes for Ben Wallace. alright!!!
Don’t forget, they also had to give up Joe Smith (playing great at the time) and get the Sonics in on it to get the Cavs Delonte West to make them take wallace. Oh, to live in a simple-minded world.
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by tyger1147 on Jan 20, 2009 12:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Dude......he was traded for Larry Hughes!
We traded trash for trash! Not to mention Cleveland got the best player in the deal (Joe Smith), who they then used to get Delonte West and an expiring contract.
Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Jan 20, 2009 12:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Understand
But Ben Wallace is much worse these days than Larry Hughes is.
If Larry was souring the team against each other, I’d be get rid of him for the biggest crap (Jerome James) possible, but he ain’t…..
Let him rot on the bench behind the better 3 and the emerging Thabo.
by majoyenrac on Jan 20, 2009 12:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Wallace does for the Cavs what they need done
create more possessions with tapping the ball out. It’s expensive, but it’s a more affable option than Larry “great shot selection” Hughes.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Jan 20, 2009 12:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Um, no he's not better than Wallace
Ben Wallace is part of the league’s best defense, has a DRating of 95. He is what he is on offense, that’s why he only plays 24 minutes a game, and still averages 7 rebounds and 2 blocks. When Larry Hughes plays you get nothing but questionable jump shots.
Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Jan 20, 2009 12:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Gordon shouldn't be resigned
The plan is 2010, and Gordon would cost too much to keep
by LOTP on Jan 20, 2009 12:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
they're not guards
or forwards, or centers.
Merely walking contracts.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 20, 2009 11:19 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder
why we’re not interested in Sean Williams… too much duplication with Thomas I guess, but seems like we can always use another defensive big.
by JSlakov on Jan 20, 2009 9:21 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Williams seems like a lost cause, way worse than Thomas
this is a guy who is getting himself kicked out of D-League games.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 20, 2009 9:24 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah. He's a less talented (albiet less fat) Sweetney.
No heart.
by arjoseph on Jan 20, 2009 10:20 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought the same thing
but looking at their contracts Ager’s expires after this season. Williams still has 3 or 4 years left if I remember correctly. Maybe the Bulls don’t want to committ to that long of a contract. Simmons would run until 2010. That would give them more of finiancal flexibilty.
by J Theory on Jan 20, 2009 9:25 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Williams has an additional 2 years on his contract.
According to Sham, Ager didn’t even have his team option picked up for next year, so he’s an expiring deal. (draftexpress says differently, FYI)
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 20, 2009 9:28 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The reporter confirms that Ager's deal is up after this season
here.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 20, 2009 9:32 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Williams is trouble
He entered the season with an usual request that the Nets not pick up his 3rd year option on his rookie contract. He thinks he can get a better deal, but his public comments make him look foolish. Few teams decline options on players they want to keep at an affordable rookie scale.
Since this incident Williams played sparingly. With Lopez and Boone in the middle, Yi at the PF and Najera off the bench, Williams was banished to the bench.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Jan 20, 2009 9:39 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Why Ager over Williams ?
Williams makes more sense to me (as a basketball player, maybe not as a human being but I don’t know him personally either)
The Game chose him !
by Diabolo on Jan 20, 2009 9:21 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
contract
though if the Nets won’t give up Ager, I’d try to swap Williams for Ryan Anderson (I’m a Cal homer)
by chowder on Jan 20, 2009 11:08 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Anderson is playing for them
Williams and Ager are not.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Jan 20, 2009 11:30 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
http://njmg.typepad.com/zzone/2009/01/bull-market.html
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 20, 2009 9:32 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
.....
On the Bulls’ side, they’re talking to numerous teams, so if they find something better they’ll take it, no doubt.
Don’t sleep on it Paxson. Do it. Simmons can shoot it when healthy and play D. Then we move Noc for some other small pieces and Simmons can play the backup SF.
by J Theory on Jan 20, 2009 9:37 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Bobby Simmons playing defense?
You serious? He’s Noc with slightly quicker feet.
Simmons needs a D’Antoni/Nellie system to be effective.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Jan 20, 2009 9:40 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
....
Scouting report: Simmons is an uncanny jump shooter from the corners, a skill that remained strong even during his struggles last season. He’s not a threat off the dribble but he can fake the shot and get to the rim that way, though he has a tendency to travel on shot fakes. Though he has good size for a wing, he rarely posts up.
Simmons has a rep as a solid defender but didn’t seem as quick last season as in previous campaigns. He certainly has the muscle to battle with post-up forwards, however, and is capable of playing power forward in small lineups.
by J Theory on Jan 20, 2009 9:42 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, I thought he was toast
but he’s shooting well from 3 again.
I wouldn’t be surprised if his D is gone with injuries and age, but I haven’t watched a lot Nets basketball.
Makes a lot more sense if they just trade Noc.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 20, 2009 10:05 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Shoots a lot of 3s and plays suspect D
He’ll fit in with this team.
Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Jan 20, 2009 11:32 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Plus
Where’s the playing time?
That’s the real problem…..and he’s not as good as the un-legend, despite what BaBers think. We give the Nets a better player to remove one problem, and likely create a new one when we have Bobby Simmons sitting on our bench…..
by majoyenrac on Jan 20, 2009 11:11 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
how is that a problem?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 20, 2009 11:19 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Simmons, once aclamate to the system
(laugh now)
Still laughing?
Simmons plays in front of Noc.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Jan 20, 2009 11:31 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That is ridiculous
No way. Noc hate is obscene.
Trade Noc, sure, but Simmons is not ahead of him….
by majoyenrac on Jan 20, 2009 11:34 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Why?
What does Noce do better than Simmons? They are essentially the same player, hustle guys who can play the 3 or 4, hit the 3, and received terrible contracts.
Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Jan 20, 2009 11:37 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Individually
Consistently perhaps not as much, but in any given game when Noc is on he can do a lot more….
And there’s always this the fact that he’s been easily our best +/- guy all year
Now I’m not going to say he’s easily our best player or anything like that, as +/- doesn’t tell the whole story at all, but the team plays a bit better with him on the court…..this isn’t a 1 game thing or a 2 game thing either.
And I know his PER sucks, but it’s been climbing pretty heftily after that godawful 10-12 game stretch in Dec that was so horribly inexplainable….
Noc ain’t great, I get that, but he’s not nearly as bad as folks want to say on here…..he has value, teams have interest in him, and he’s likely going to get traded…..
by majoyenrac on Jan 20, 2009 12:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If teams want him, fine the Bulls don't need him
Trade him. Sign a Noce-like player in the future when this team is ready to contend and his skill is actually of use.
Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Jan 20, 2009 12:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
We can’t afford him, and right now given where we are, don’t need him.
And haven’t changed my tune there at all. But he’s not nearly as bad as folks want to think……and I think we’ll get a far better deal for him if we yield other Noc offers….
That’s been my point.
by majoyenrac on Jan 20, 2009 12:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
meh, why not
they’re equally bad, yet Simmons has lower usage.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 20, 2009 11:37 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
they have the exact same PER
10.68, Simmons shoots 43% from 3 wile Noce shoots 37% and Simmons per 40 numbers are better in every respect except for points and usage. And frankly, the Bulls could use a little less Nocioni
by Basketball Smurf on Jan 20, 2009 11:56 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
that's how I feel about it as well
And we’re not factoring in defense. I wouldn’t be surprised if Simmons can’t guard 2s anymore (though I’m sure Sam Smith will ask him to try a la Luol Deng) but I don’t know enough about his game lately to dare besmirch him by saying he’s worse than ol’ swivelhead.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 20, 2009 12:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Noc is on the rise
Noc had just a terrible terrible I can’t believe he’s still playing big minutes stretch out there where he looked slower than normal and was not doing anything well, and yet Vinny was playing him for 30 MPG through it all….
But since Deng’s been back healthy and even a few games before it, Noc is getting back to his normal routine and his PER has jumped considerably.
I can’t explain the “what the f was that stretch” this year….Noc played as bad as he did hurt for us against the Heat a few years back…..but Noc is rounding back into form again.
Again Noc ain’t great, but he can do a lot of things better than Simmons…..
by majoyenrac on Jan 20, 2009 12:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Noc had one great game
he was back to being terrible yesterday. Maybe he is on the rise…maybe he is setting you up for another flop. Thats one thing he definitely does better then Simmons, til proven otherwise, flop.
by reprisal on Jan 20, 2009 12:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't watch yesterday (so perhaps that's why I don't have the recent ire)
I know he had 1 great game, but he’s been more consistently steady from a 6th-8th man and his PER has climbed 2.5-3 pts since the bottom out stretch, and that’s not on one game, and that includes the terrible 1-11 game….
by majoyenrac on Jan 20, 2009 12:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Bobby Simmons probably lacks the massive ego of Larry Hughes
And thus will get playing time when it’s neccessary. Plus, he is better than Thabo anyways so he would get minutes regardless.
Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Jan 20, 2009 11:33 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
This would be awful
If we can get Thabo more minutes at the 3 we should.
Noc and Simmons won’t give us anything defensively at the 3. They might give us rebounding at the 4.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Jan 20, 2009 11:48 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm just speaking in reality
Thabo isn’t that good, and Simmons is one of those guys coaches don’t know how to keep on the bench, just like Nocioni. Also, Vinny has been using the 3 guard lineup, I’d say Thabo’s minutes are irrelevant.
Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Jan 20, 2009 11:50 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah I'm getting more and more worried
This is not really making the team coach-proof, as Simmons isn’t as easily benchable as Larry (since you can make the argument Larry needs big minutes or no minutes, he’s not a ‘role player’ like Simmons).
The answer is to just DNP Noc, but we know that’s impossible.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 20, 2009 11:52 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Thabo isn't that good?
I disagree. He’s getting worse treatment than Tyrus this year, yet still bringing the effort every time he’s out on the court.
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by Ugh It Live! on Jan 20, 2009 12:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
effort's overrated
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 20, 2009 12:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
To the stats then!
http://www.82games.com/0809/08CHI6.HTM
Oh and a 12.8 PER in just 17.7MPG
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by Ugh It Live! on Jan 20, 2009 12:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He's improving!
Year-to-year….
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by tyger1147 on Jan 20, 2009 12:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Thabo
Isn’t that good individually, but he is learning to play a very nice team game. He passes the ball well (letting the offense flow) and is a solid defender (slightly overrated there) but he can have games of very good defense.
And if he’s aggressive and picks his spots, he’s effective.
But he needs a bit more time, and I like others wouldn’t mind that on the court, so I don’t want Simmons.
by majoyenrac on Jan 20, 2009 12:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
and Simmons is a better rebounder.
Yeah…Noc has to go. Simply because I do not like the prospect of him or Simmons playing a lot of 4.
However I’m fine with Simmons taking the 10-12 mpg behind Deng. Thabo is likely a better fit, but so what, he’s just not very good.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 20, 2009 11:51 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Is Simmons a better rebounder?
I’ll admit it’s more difficult to tell when he’s always on the perimeter at both ends.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Jan 20, 2009 12:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
over their careers, no
I said that based on this season. They’re actually somewhat even in the context of projecting outward, as Nocioni now also plays pretty much always on the perimeter.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 20, 2009 12:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder what deal could be better than this
Maybe only with the Kings for Brad Miller…
I like this deal with Nets and I can live with Simmons. But only if we trade Noc afterwards for a Big Man. I don’t see the point of having another SF, since I think VDN is not going to play Thabo at SG.
by bull83 on Jan 20, 2009 11:47 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
On that
Second part (if we trade Noc for a Big man, sure I’d be game for this trade), but that’s not Paxson’s typical M.O.
If we did this trade for Simmons just to remove the un-legend’s voice from the locker room and traded Noc magically for a PF/C sure, but to do that Pax has to decide likely on the Hinrich vs Gordon….if it’s Kirk then that trade doesn’t happen and we have Simmons/Deng/Noc/Thabo at the 3 spot and our guard glut is softened but stil there.
by majoyenrac on Jan 20, 2009 12:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hmmm..
So instead of having a guard glut, we would have a guard AND small forward glut. Hopefully another deal(Noc to Toronto?) would follow this one.
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by Bigred15 on Jan 20, 2009 9:35 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
there's no change in glut
with DNPs
The Nets once wanted Noc, though I doubt they do now with a 2010 plan and Najera at half the price.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 20, 2009 9:36 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I would be concerned that an additional SF
would mean more Noc at PF, hence less TT.
by JeffD on Jan 20, 2009 10:33 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, biggest problem:
need a new coach.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 20, 2009 11:19 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Trading Noc is all ready the #1 priority in my mind
hopefully adding SImmons would make that a little more obvious to Paxson.
(Since I’m not holding my breathe on Vinny getting canned)
by reprisal on Jan 20, 2009 12:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It could be there is already a trade for Nocioni in the works waiting for this one to go through.
by chgobr on Jan 20, 2009 12:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If that's the case
If the big TOronto trade is in place with noc, so be it….wooh hoo.
I will mis Noc, but he’s a luxury we can’t afford at all….and I’d rather us be better in a few years than mired wtih his contract and struggling but winning 30-40 games a year and not getting picks to get better or being good enough to get the free agents…..
Plus I want Rose to want to stay.
by majoyenrac on Jan 20, 2009 12:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
New Coach yes indeed
Does anybody remember Quinn Buckner’s stint as Mavs Coach in the late 80’s, most of you probably don’t, because he sucked and only lasted one year, its becoming more apparent Pax needs to start a search for a new coach now!!
by LOTP on Jan 20, 2009 1:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not to be a one-upper...
…But the legendary Jerry Tarkanian only lasted 20 games in the league (Spurs/’92) after back-to-back NCAA championship game appearances.
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by VivaLosToros on Jan 20, 2009 1:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The Bulls once hired an ex-Bull named Jerry Sloan to coach, then fired him.
I wonder what happened to him?
by Granny Waiters on Jan 20, 2009 11:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You can't play Noc much more at the PF than they've already done.
Noc is way behind Hughes and Sefolosha in terms of minutes at the SF this season.
by Scotter on Jan 20, 2009 2:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
3 way TORONTO, NJ, CHI
Why not add a third team to flop Noce for Bargani.
TOR – Noce, Sean Williams
NJ – Hughes, Humphries, Ruffin
CHI – Bargani, Simmons, Ager.
*(Paxson loves too trade)
by Jesse07 on Jan 21, 2009 9:21 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Reasons each team does this
Chicago – Flip Flop Hughes for Simmons (already rummored)
- Pair Bargani with Rose for future get out of Noces contract
-Ager addon expiring deal
NJ – Flip Flop Simmons for Hughes (already rummored)
- Get 16 MIL expiring in 2010 to help battle the Knicks
- Ruffin add on expiring to save a little cash from Ager this year
TOR – Get a shooter to replace Bargani to help immediately.
- only 4 games out of 8th playoffs spot make a push for the playoffs to keep Bosh happy
(Toronto main concern should be to keep Bosh Happy)
-Sean Williams is a defensive big (atleast he was at BC) can be paired with Bosh plus
saves some money over Humphries. Deals expires the same year.
by Jesse07 on Jan 21, 2009 9:46 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If the Bulls traded to get Joe Smith back from OKC,
Kwame Brown and Iverson from Detroit and Kenyon Martin from Denver, they could have a starting lineup of 5 overall #1 draft picks!
Sad part is that would likely be a 35-40 win team.
by Granny Waiters on Jan 21, 2009 10:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
so Toronto gives away Bargnani for not only crap
but expensive long-term crap
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 21, 2009 10:01 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Duh, it's so obvious
Get a shooter to replace Bargani to help immediately.
You need to take tyger’s reading comprehension course
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by snley on Jan 21, 2009 10:19 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
and toronto would give up bargnani
for noc why exactly?
by Jaina on Jan 21, 2009 10:44 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, he's a shooter, all be it a worse one than Bargnani, but at least he's an immediate replacement
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by snley on Jan 21, 2009 10:45 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Bargnani vs Noce
As much Noce hates is there is around here, he does matchup better next to Bosh than Bargnani. What about Thabo as a deal sweatener?
by Jesse07 on Jan 21, 2009 10:53 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Let's put these 2 as current equals in terms of production (which isn't the case, Bargnani's better)
One of them is 29 and already showing signs of decline while locked up for 3 more years. The other is a 23 year old former first overall draft pick who’s finally showing signs of fulfilling his potential and still has over a year left on his rookie deal. Both are terrible defenders, Bargnani’s already better and has a more diverse offensive game. Who would you want, honestly? Plus, the Raps already have a plethora of wing players with no offensive game, so in that context, how is Thabo a sweetner?
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by snley on Jan 21, 2009 11:05 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Give up on Thabo then
by Jesse07 on Jan 21, 2009 10:21 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
True about the DNPs...
but that works better with Auger since he’s a scrub. Simmons is a solid player and a good citizen, which makes him harder to bench, unlike Hughes.
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by Bigred15 on Jan 20, 2009 9:41 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Well...
Simmons could just take Thabo’s minutes…its not like Vinny knows how to develop him.
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by Dionysus2.0 on Jan 20, 2009 9:42 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The only thing I want back are contracts we can buy out
and/or players we can bench.
It’s not going to fit the Chairman’s modus operandi. What players have we ever acquired merely to bench them? Shannon Brown?
Tim Thomas we bought out, but he was already in the last year of his contract.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Jan 20, 2009 9:45 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
So now instead of building around "character"
we’re going to just get every hometown player and bring him back. Are we trying to fill the empty seats with family members or what?
I kid, I kid. I guess go ahead but it seems like we could get more for Hughes than a couple benchwarmers, but I guess that’s pretty much what Hughes has reduced to now anyway.
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by Ugh It Live! on Jan 20, 2009 9:46 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
that jives with my Nazr Mohammed idea!
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 20, 2009 10:06 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
DWade too!
"The Zen philosopher Basho once wrote: 'A flute with no holes is not a flute, And a doughnut with no hole is a Danish.' He was a funny guy."
by Ugh It Live! on Jan 20, 2009 10:25 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You take that back
"The Zen philosopher Basho once wrote: 'A flute with no holes is not a flute, And a doughnut with no hole is a Danish.' He was a funny guy."
by Ugh It Live! on Jan 20, 2009 10:43 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
booooooo
:)
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 20, 2009 10:46 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
all indications are that Simmons is a 'team guy'
and you can add in the hometown factor ‘revitalizing’ him.
I mean, you can’t really add that as a factor, but you can add in the story that it is a factor. That is not meaningless!
And he serves as a fat expiring contract in 2010 just as much as Hughes.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 20, 2009 11:39 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
And that’s a good point, but I don’t know if I want Simmons to play either though…..
Frankly I’d rather just have Thabo learn to be a role player (low PER, but nice with the flow of the offense SG and increasingly perfect his D to keep him on the court). Then I think we shore him up as our main SG next to Deng, have Rose be our PG/offensive guard (which he is now but that’s a bit in hiding next to BG, and he will be) and we use Hinrich and package him with Gordon in a nice sign and trade after the year for a real C….
by majoyenrac on Jan 20, 2009 12:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The guy I actually want in the offseason if
Gordon walks is Anthony Parker.
by Scotter on Jan 20, 2009 2:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Stopgap?
Parker is 30-something. He only seems younger because he played so long overseas.
by CJ Bulls on Jan 20, 2009 3:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
And I don’t know if the age has gotten to him—I haven’t watched him much this year, but he’s not what he was 2 years ago or so…..
Gordon’s much better, much much better….even if Parker will be much much cheaper….
But off the bench Parker, yeah maybe.
by majoyenrac on Jan 20, 2009 3:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He's obviously not what he was 2 years ago.
The Bulls couldn’t afford him if he was what he was 2 years ago. He’s a smart player that is slipping athletically, but still cares about defense. But, most importantly he’s still shooting 40%+ from the 3-point line and never relied on his athleticism.
Some of Gordon’s minutes are going to have to be replaced by a free agent that can shoot. Have you looked at the list of free agent SGs this summer that will for a short term contract relatively cheap. That will make you gag. Start Parker and Rose bring Hinrich off the bench. If you let Gordon walk, Parker is about the best you can hope for.
by Scotter on Jan 20, 2009 4:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I would rather re-sign Gordon,
but don’t mind Parker as backup plan. This team will desperately need shooters.
by CJ Bulls on Jan 20, 2009 7:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Why would I think he was younger?
I remember when he was playing for Bradley? Of course he’s a stop gag.
by Scotter on Jan 20, 2009 4:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
'stop gag'
still accurate. :)
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 20, 2009 4:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
In direct comparison to Gordon, yes.
I do like Parker, though. Finding a mid-level SG that can actually play a little and isn’t a pain in the ass is pretty hard. The people who want to complain about Gordon sulking need to take a look around the league.
by Scotter on Jan 20, 2009 4:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm just hoping Gordon's recent (last five games)
poor play is an anomaly, and doesn’t have anything to do with Kirk coming back. We need that scoring.
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by MPG on Jan 20, 2009 4:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
From what I've been reading,
I’m starting to blame Kirk for being a ballhog the last 2~3 games. Heh.
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by Prevenge on Jan 22, 2009 11:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i don't think
that it’s so much Kirk coming back, but rather the way Vinny is using the rotations and minutes since he’s been back.
Gordon has been sitting too long in certain spots of the game since Kirk’s return and you just can’t do that with him. He needs to be warm and out there shooting.
Against the Hawks Kirk played the most minutes out of anyone. HUH? How and why? That’s not his fault, but Vinny doing a poor job of recognizing what he needs out there on the floor.
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by NormVanBeer on Jan 22, 2009 11:58 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I could really not care less about Hughes right now
I wanted him traded so Vinny couldn’t play him, but now that that is happening anyway, it doesn’t matter to me if he’s traded or if he sits on the bench for the next year and a half. We’re not getting anything for him anyway, so I’d just have to worry about VDN feeling obligated to play some other crappy player.
I’m much more interested in seeing Noc gone.
by JeffD on Jan 20, 2009 10:01 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
That's what's so nice about this deal
1. Opens up some money for the off season to re-sign Gordon
2. Provides a contingency for getting rid of Noc. I don’t know why they’d need one, but I’m sure that’s a priority in Paxson’s mind.
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by snley on Jan 20, 2009 10:13 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That is a good point about Gordon money
although I’m sure they’ll find another excuse.
by JeffD on Jan 20, 2009 10:30 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
"economy"
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 20, 2009 10:47 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't need to re-sign Gordon
We need a true 6-4 or taller SG, not the new-age vinnie Johnson jacking up shots, Ben is good, but his services will no longer be needed after this season, fans we have to think 2010 and not shell any more big contracts for semi-good players
by LOTP on Jan 20, 2009 1:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
NEWSFLASH
We have to think young team. We’re not a player for 2010 unless we make a major trade for that year or to get a major piece this year.
Otherwise we’re paying to develop guys that we’re just going to let walk in 2011 because we can’t afford them….
by majoyenrac on Jan 20, 2009 1:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Look at it this way
The amount of incoming salary that we receive is less. $1,182,569 less. Also with Agers $1,042,440 coming off the books at the end of the season it gives us more room to negiotate contracts with BG or DG if they are still in or plans (or still on the team) this offseason. It’s not a alot of money to play with but with the economy the way it is it just might be enough.
As far as next year the difference of salary between Simmons and Hughes is $3,095,268.
by J Theory on Jan 20, 2009 10:15 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think Hughes is only sitting quietly...
…knowing that his agent is looking for a trade that gets hi playing time. I doubt he thinks he’s done as a player and as his contract year comes up, I hardly expect him to see him sit w/o trouble.
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by tyger1147 on Jan 20, 2009 10:39 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
right, I suspect he'll be quiet
but only until the trade deadline.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 20, 2009 10:47 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He bitched about 20-25 minutes.
Like the DNP-CD’s are going down without a peep w/o an behind-the-scenes promise.
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by tyger1147 on Jan 20, 2009 11:45 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
it's possible they just gave him mace for KC Johnson
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 20, 2009 11:47 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Here I am asking myself...
“Who would want Larry Hughes?”
The answer?
The guy who drafted Nikolaz Tskitishvili.
by Wake on Jan 20, 2009 10:12 AM CST reply actions 2 recs
Nice
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Jan 20, 2009 10:14 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
heh
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Jan 20, 2009 10:33 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
anybody remember that draft night
when Kiki had a talk with the season ticket holders at some Nuggets draft party explaining their draft (also dealt McDyess for Camby and Nene that night)? It was like in some sort of ski lodge, and Kenny Smith joked that he looked like a lounge singer. Absolutely killed me.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 20, 2009 10:49 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i'll never forget that
he was speaking in hushed tones to a group of old people and they all broke into applause when he announced the deal, like any one in that place could even name 3 players on the nuggets, much less break down the relative merits of drafting nene
by Calogero on Jan 20, 2009 1:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I do love Nene though.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 20, 2009 1:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It's trash for trash
So it doesn’t really move me, do we get better no? Is Larry Gone yes? WE DON’T WIN BUT WE DON’T LOSE EITHER.
by Bullsfanla on Jan 20, 2009 10:20 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
does this trade really do anything for us?
i haven’t read up on the salary implications of this move although the inital write-up seems to suggest it’s kind of a wash – any strong thoughts on why pax should do this deal would be helpful…i was never the biggest fan of simmons
by TruFan on Jan 20, 2009 10:57 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
wash this year
save money next year.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 20, 2009 11:01 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh Paxson has something better up his sleeve Kobe freaking Bryant!
I just know it. They said the deal was dead…..for now. Well now just came to our front door and took a dump.
Just a joke.
I'm diggin Hinrich's high socks! Thats a good look for him.
by ImmanuelKant on Jan 20, 2009 10:59 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Creates a small amount of financial space, and Hughes is gone
by chowder on Jan 20, 2009 10:59 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Just knowing he cannot enter the game
is worth so much in my book.
At least Vinny keeps me interested in watching games with Hughes riding the pine.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Jan 20, 2009 11:33 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Just get him away
So we can all say John Paxson turned 60 million of cap space in 2006 into Bobby Simmons and Maurice Ager in 2009. In Pax We Trust!
Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Jan 20, 2009 11:43 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Oh and Rew Gooden, Cedric Simmons, and Shannon Brown
More brilliance.
Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Jan 20, 2009 11:44 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
"it's a process"
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 20, 2009 11:44 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Like it's a process to dispose of excrement
Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Jan 20, 2009 11:45 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Also this gives the Bulls more flexibility to trade Nocioni
They play Toronto on Friday, give him 40 minutes Vinny!
Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Jan 20, 2009 11:48 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Someone explain to me a remotely feasible explanation for why the Nets do this?
The only one I come up with is them getting a plan in place for dealing Vince Carter. Because why the hell would they trade a crummy SF (who they actually sort of need) for a crummy SG who they absolutely don’t need.
De gustibus non est disputandum
by Sports2 on Jan 20, 2009 11:52 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Frees up more cap space in 2010?
And trading Carter is a very real possibility.
Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Jan 20, 2009 11:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
None of the players discussed go into 2010
unless you count a team option on Sean Williams.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 20, 2009 11:57 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, if they can get someone to give them 2010 expiring for one extra year of Carter...
…(the last year is unguaranteed), then Devin Harris with loads of cap space would have to be pretty enticing to free agents. Harris—James—Bosh. ::drool::
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by tyger1147 on Jan 20, 2009 12:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Of course...
Harris—Carter—James isn’t too shabby either. But not as good. Or young.
Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!
by tyger1147 on Jan 20, 2009 12:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
James+crap
It got to the Finals one year!
"You remember the first time you picked up a basketball video game and you had no idea how to run plays, so you just gave the ball to your shooter and you ran around the court aimlessly until a defender was far enough away and then you jacked up a shot? THAT IS LARRY HUGHES!"
-Anonymous fan letter, heylarryhughespleasestoptakingsomanybadshots.com
by Prevenge on Jan 20, 2009 2:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
the reporter makes a big deal about freeing up a roster spot.
so that’s….something.
Harris and Carter play 35 minutes a game, maybe they want to rest them?
And they see Larry as an upgrade over Dooling and Jarvis Hayes?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 20, 2009 11:56 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Larry an upgrade?
I could read this stuff all day, but keeping a straight face about it is only made possible with this internetz barrier.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Jan 20, 2009 12:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
What is going on with Keyon Dooling? He can be pretty good and ain’t a bad defender…..I was wondering where he was after he got a nice salary.
Has he been hurt? Or is he just good in FLA (Miami he was decent and he was much better for the Magic).
by majoyenrac on Jan 20, 2009 12:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
larrys definitely an upgrade over jarvis
take it from someone who gets every nets game on YES, jarvis hayes is one of the worst players in the league. he literally can’t do one thing right. of course, he doesnt have the ego and sense of entitlement that larry has, but all the nets are really doing is biding time until 2010 anyway, so why not throw larry to the wolves and let him suck it up for 35 mins a night
by Calogero on Jan 20, 2009 1:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Carter is just as comfortable playing the SF as the SG
So they get added scoring on the wing. Who knows – it seem like a deal that won’t hurt the Nets, may help, and help the Bull. I think GM’s sometimes do this for each other. I scratch you back, you scratch mine. Look at the series of transactions the Clips and Nuggets have done. They leave you scratcing your head until you see its about making more moves in the future.
by Basketball Smurf on Jan 20, 2009 12:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure I buy that Carter is just as comfortable at either spot.
The Clips and Nuggets transactions make sense if you look at the finances.
I’m not sure yet how this would help the Nets financially or on the court.
I look at it as follows.
- This trade means the Nets have to pay an extra $2M in salary over the course of this year and next.
- On the court, you replace Simmons with Hughes, which is a small net upgrade offensively.
- Defensively I’m not sure, but I tend to think it’s a net negative. You , you also have to pit Vince against a different set of players defensively, unless you think Hughes will guard the bigger guy and do as good a job as Simmons. I tend to think Simmons is the better defender. So my guess is you’ve got a small net negative there.
- You replace a guy doing not much but making $10M/year with a guy with a multi-team track record of making $12M a year and bitching about his individual stats and PT. Simmons, whatever he thinks in private, seems to keep his mouth shut and play. That’s a pretty significant net negative to me.
Now, according to the trade rules, you can include up to $3M in cash in a trade. If the Bulls do that, then financially the Nets are making a profit on the deal.
This cash isn’t included on the salary cap, so the Bulls are basically paying $1M for a little bit more luxury tax breathing room and the pleasantness of a Larry Hughes free workplace.
The cap space doesn’t much matter to the Nets, so they’re getting $1M to put up with Larry Hughes.
From my perspective, I don’t really think it’s worth it. But I guess it’s not a major drain, and they win a little bit financially not matter what.
Which might be important because IIRC the Nets are veritably swamped in debt.
De gustibus non est disputandum
by Sports2 on Jan 20, 2009 1:53 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
you're implying Paxson is in any "GM" in crowd???
“Bulls and Paxson are an island” Lone Rangers! Set apart and alone, far superior than to be tainted by the influence or association of outsiders…
no headband, food ban, no choking the coach even when he needs to be choked, etc.
Well, maybe he’ll call Kerr every now and then, then maybe not since the Suns are doing good. Shaq’s a beast and Marion is injured.
man up!
by exult463 on Jan 20, 2009 2:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It makes sense to me to do this
Ager expires, and the contract we get back for larry is the same length (which means it would have value in next year’s deadline for whoever wanted to get more capspace) plus we get a guy who, as far as i can tell from reading whats been posted, an anti larry as it were. Also we have a guy who can do what noch can do, with probably a little more constraint, and a smaller and thus in that way better contract compared to noch. It wont make the team better, but it also shouldnt take minutes away from our good players (rose, gordon, hinrich, deng) or our top prospects (noah and tyrus) although it does screw over thabo a little. I say this is a pretty good deal especially considering that all we are doing is losing a team a cancer in larry. Id like to see a noch trade made also, there is still a month before the deadline, so if this trade goes down this week, paxson has another month to get a noch trade ready. just imagine
Rose (32) Hinrich(16)
Gordon(34) Hinrich(14)
Deng(30) Simmons(12) Thabo(6)
Tyrus(34)Gooden(14)
Noah(34)gooden(10)Gray(14)
Ager and hunter only arise if need be.
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Jan 20, 2009 12:18 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Simmons will replace Noc
Simmons can actually play and has a similar hustle game as Noc. Picking him up probably means Noc will go in some other deal. They want Ager over Williams because his contract ($1Million) is up after this year. Williams will make $1.5M, 1.6, 2.5 and then 3.5 (2011).
I’m all for getting rid of Larry.
by dasspunk on Jan 20, 2009 12:22 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Sean Willams is similar to Cedric Simons who is similar to Tyrus Thomas
who is not Joakim Noah see?
I'm diggin Hinrich's high socks! Thats a good look for him.
by ImmanuelKant on Jan 20, 2009 1:31 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Sean Williams gets ejected out of D-Leauge games
Tyrus Thomas doesn’t like it when he can’t eat a peanut butter sandwich.
Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Jan 20, 2009 1:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
This is the trade I want
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=356741298234221022&teams=1717444&te=&cash=
CDR + Simmons + Ager
for
LH + Ruffin
by Bulls4Ever on Jan 20, 2009 1:36 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
That changes thing
Yes, I make that trade. CDR makes Rose more comfortable, which can’t be a bad thing…
by majoyenrac on Jan 20, 2009 1:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
meh, why bother with the crutch
Does Rose really need a buddy?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 20, 2009 1:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I want to do whatever to keep
Rose happy, and maybe that helps do that.
I don’t care if he doesn’t play, but if Rose is more comfortable, I think we perform better….that’s all, and in that regard it’s a plus for the same.
by majoyenrac on Jan 20, 2009 2:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
it's possible it coddles him instead of comforts him
a college buddy only has him closer to college, not the pros.
I don’t think he’d matter either way, but just saying a made-up benefit could be turned around just as easily.
Plus I’m scarred still from when Jay Williams whined to the press about missing his ‘Duke family’.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 20, 2009 2:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Your living in the past and thinking
to much. CDR is a good basketball player. He’s young, cheap, can shoot and your fav he’s tall.
by Bulls4Ever on Jan 20, 2009 2:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I choose to live in the present
144 minutes: 0-3 from 3-pt range.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 20, 2009 2:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He's a rook though
And as a throw in, why the hell not. He’s played well with Rose in college, the two are friends and he might have nice upside in a year or two.
But I still think there are other better trades with Larry as a piece (not the Larry for a pick, but maybe Larry and a piece for a worse piece or two and a decent Pick) stuff I wasn’t clear about above….
by majoyenrac on Jan 20, 2009 2:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think
CDR will be decent too….hope good, but he might be decent.
And Rose is already better as a rookie than Jay Williams ever was or had shown…plus those were my dark ages Bulls team, just after college when I didn’t have a TV yet to watch…..so I forgot about ’em.
by majoyenrac on Jan 20, 2009 2:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
besides
I don’t mind getting him if he’s good. I was poo-pooing the idea of getting him because he’s Rose’s buddy.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 20, 2009 2:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
then whatever
I truly wouldn’t care about him either way. He’s 22 and behind plenty of people for PT. Maybe they could stash him in Iowa.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 20, 2009 2:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I dont want to kill
any confidence he has left from college. thats what nj is doing. and thats what iowa would do. Id rather release Hunter and let CDR play Guard #4.
Rose/ Kirk
BG/ CDR
Deng/ Noc/Thabo/ Simmons
TT/Gooden/Simmons
Noah/Gray
Williams, LH, Hunter, Ruffin bye bye
I think if we can follow up that trade with a JO for Noc and Gooden. We would be all good.
by Bulls4Ever on Jan 20, 2009 2:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hunter
Allegedly is helping the guys quite a bit off the court, mentoring and what not.
While at face value for non pro players like you and me that seems a bit ridiculous, but the fact that it’s so oft-mentioned must mean it means a lot more to the players….
Worse thing happens, Rose is more comf with a friend of his, best we get a nice piece who oddly fell too far in the draft….
by majoyenrac on Jan 20, 2009 3:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I never
even considered getting him for that reason. I just like him alot and think he can be a great SG with some burn.
by Bulls4Ever on Jan 20, 2009 2:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
youtube says:
‘highlights from preseason’?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DuHUCdS8arg&feature=related
"You remember the first time you picked up a basketball video game and you had no idea how to run plays, so you just gave the ball to your shooter and you ran around the court aimlessly until a defender was far enough away and then you jacked up a shot? THAT IS LARRY HUGHES!"
-Anonymous fan letter, heylarryhughespleasestoptakingsomanybadshots.com
by Prevenge on Jan 20, 2009 2:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I see CDR
as a gem!
I wanted the bulls to draft him bad, IMO he slipped big time in the draft. He’s a more athletic RIP HAMILTON, He’s Roses buddy, Hes a young guy on a rook contract. He’s tall i think, He’s from a winning program like Pax wants, hes not getting any burn in NJ and could probably be had if we take williams instead of Ager. i would do it in a second and buy out Williams.
I just like him alot.
by Bulls4Ever on Jan 20, 2009 2:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
"He’s tall i think"
sold!
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 20, 2009 2:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I am a CDR fan!
And not because he’s tall! I was really bummed when we didn’t pick him with our second rounder [he was taken the spot before us, I think].
"You remember the first time you picked up a basketball video game and you had no idea how to run plays, so you just gave the ball to your shooter and you ran around the court aimlessly until a defender was far enough away and then you jacked up a shot? THAT IS LARRY HUGHES!"
-Anonymous fan letter, heylarryhughespleasestoptakingsomanybadshots.com
by Prevenge on Jan 20, 2009 2:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
me too
I thought they should have traded into the later-first for him. Of course, I’ve always been sold on the Bulls getting rid of Gordon, so they need a 2-guard eventually.
Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!
by tyger1147 on Jan 20, 2009 3:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We actually passed up on him:
he was taken the pick AFTER us.
Now I remember why I was so angry. GRRR. And apparently Omar Asik injured his knee or something, so nothing’s happening on that front.
Booooo.
"You remember the first time you picked up a basketball video game and you had no idea how to run plays, so you just gave the ball to your shooter and you ran around the court aimlessly until a defender was far enough away and then you jacked up a shot? THAT IS LARRY HUGHES!"
-Anonymous fan letter, heylarryhughespleasestoptakingsomanybadshots.com
by Prevenge on Jan 20, 2009 3:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
[hiss hiss, fire Paxson, +etc.]
"You remember the first time you picked up a basketball video game and you had no idea how to run plays, so you just gave the ball to your shooter and you ran around the court aimlessly until a defender was far enough away and then you jacked up a shot? THAT IS LARRY HUGHES!"
-Anonymous fan letter, heylarryhughespleasestoptakingsomanybadshots.com
by Prevenge on Jan 20, 2009 3:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Asik was never coming to the Bulls before 2010-11 for contractual reasons.
by Granny Waiters on Jan 20, 2009 11:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but ...
eh. I guess the hype wave died down and people went negative on him immediately for no reason then?
I didn’t look too hard into it.
"You remember the first time you picked up a basketball video game and you had no idea how to run plays, so you just gave the ball to your shooter and you ran around the court aimlessly until a defender was far enough away and then you jacked up a shot? THAT IS LARRY HUGHES!"
-Anonymous fan letter, heylarryhughespleasestoptakingsomanybadshots.com
by Prevenge on Jan 22, 2009 11:55 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
sure
getting CDR is way better than keeping Ruffin…but I dont think asking for more gets this done any quicker. And I’m for getting this does as it is.
by reprisal on Jan 20, 2009 2:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I am too
but my point was if they want us to take williams then we want CDR as well.
by Bulls4Ever on Jan 20, 2009 2:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think it's worth it
it takes on money for next season that the Bulls need under the luxury tax. I suppose one way out of that is if by getting CDR they punt Thabo.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 20, 2009 3:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
why not just
punt gooden and gordon next year? Then we got plenty of money to play with.
Sounds good to me.
by Bulls4Ever on Jan 20, 2009 3:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
har har
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 20, 2009 3:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So now we're dropping actual NBA players
for 2nd round picks who can’t find PT on the Nets.
Can we pick up Adam Morrison while we’re at it. I think Ed Cota is available to back up Rose.
by CJ Bulls on Jan 20, 2009 3:47 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Rec'd for reminding me Ed Cota even existed
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. It's simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get tangled, you tango on
by pookeyguru on Jan 20, 2009 4:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Stats
Chris Douglas-Roberts – NBA Team: Nets Previous Team: Memphis, Junior
Physicals:
H: 6’ 7"
W: 200 lbs
Bday: 01/08/1987
(22 Years Old)
Positions:
Current: SG/SF
NBA: SG
Possible: SG
Rankings:
RSCI: 42
Agent:
Leon Rose
Current Salary:
$442,114
Comparisons:
Best Case: Jerry Stackhouse
Worst Case: Marquis Daniels
Misc:
High School: Northwestern HS
Hometown: Detroit, MI
Drafted: Rnd 2, Pick 10 in 2008 by Nets
by Bulls4Ever on Jan 20, 2009 2:19 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
those are more like vitals.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 20, 2009 2:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If we could
move LH for a lesser 2010 contract and a possible steal its worht a shot if you ask me. Screw and coddling or any of that bs CDR could be a steal of a throw in.
by Bulls4Ever on Jan 20, 2009 2:23 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Ok, you're know I'm a CDR fan from back before the draft
But angling for him is like item number 46 on the agenda of discussions with New Jersey. Getting rid of Hughes is item 1-45.
De gustibus non est disputandum
by Sports2 on Jan 20, 2009 2:52 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I hear yah
but why not try to pull a fast one on Rod Thorn. Dont get me wrong i think there are better trades out there for LH but if we had to do a deal with NJ I would like to try and steal CDR if nothing else.
by Bulls4Ever on Jan 20, 2009 2:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, yeah,
I’m just going with the dream here.
"Hey, Thorn, I know you want Larry Hughes. He’s pretty awesome … yeah … you wanna trade us CDR too? We’ll take Sean Williams [and immediately banish him to the D-League] off your hands …
"You remember the first time you picked up a basketball video game and you had no idea how to run plays, so you just gave the ball to your shooter and you ran around the court aimlessly until a defender was far enough away and then you jacked up a shot? THAT IS LARRY HUGHES!"
-Anonymous fan letter, heylarryhughespleasestoptakingsomanybadshots.com
by Prevenge on Jan 20, 2009 3:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh yeah,
Me too!
Thorn- “Really? You would actually take that punk off my hands?” “Were do i sign Pax?”
Pax- " You dont care about CDR?"
Thorn- “Nah not really, i only took him cause you screwed up not taking him!”
Pax- “Good point, ill fax you the deal”
Thorn- “Sweet, thanks Pax”
Pax- (confused but excited) " Np i think"
by Bulls4Ever on Jan 20, 2009 3:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
These discussions get so long-winded
Somehow this has become a thread about Chris Douglas-Roberts. As our volume poster friend Belize would say, SMH :(
Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Jan 20, 2009 4:24 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Watch the trade not even happen.
I'm diggin Hinrich's high socks! Thats a good look for him.
by ImmanuelKant on Jan 20, 2009 4:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah like Kobe
Pax grow some BALLZ AND GET THE DOG!
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 20, 2009 4:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
wow.. we need about 10 more proposed/rumors trades & that will get us thru the season and we'll be happy
actually Paxsdorf doesn’t even need to complete a trade, just let the rumor mill grind….
This is better than the actual Bulls games…
man up!
by exult463 on Jan 20, 2009 4:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What's is this dog talk?
I'm diggin Hinrich's high socks! Thats a good look for him.
by ImmanuelKant on Jan 20, 2009 5:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
if you need to ask
then you don’t have it.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 20, 2009 11:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So upshot is,
we get garbage, but save 3 million next year? Fine.
As long as we go after Paul Millsap with every last penny.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
by MPG on Jan 20, 2009 4:52 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
That would require
having pennies to spend
by YaoPau on Jan 20, 2009 5:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Oy
I’m running out of reasons to be hopeful. You gotta talk me off this cliff, Yao.
(On the other hand, Ohio St is playing Illinois tonight…Mullins has been playing better…and both draftexpress and ESPN have him going to the Bulls….)
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
by MPG on Jan 20, 2009 5:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He seems like an offensive C version of Tyrus Thomas, no?
Wicked athlete for his size. Raw. Doesn’t try hard most of the time. Sprints to offense, not D.
Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!
by tyger1147 on Jan 20, 2009 5:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I like that comparison.
I always hear this business about him having character issues, and not trying hard, but when I’ve watched him (3x) I’ve thought his motor was pretty decent. I get the feeling the dude’s never had to work a day in his life – and with his talent and size that’s not unexpected – and that Thad Motta’s trying to toughen him up. Maybe he coasts in practice?
The one thing I’ve notices is that, other than his post footwork (awesome) he’s got VERY poor fundamentals. You watch Cole Aldridge of Kansas and he boxes his man out every damn time, and goes after the ball hard every damn time as well. Mullens just sort of turns around and jumps. Additionally, his defensive rotations are all over the place. One minute he’ll make a terrific block, the next he won’t make a basic rotation or keep ball-you-man contact.
Still, his potential is ridiculous. I say you pick him and split the minutes between him and Noah.
Bizarro Tyrus. That’s the ticket…
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
by MPG on Jan 20, 2009 5:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think we're all in agreement about this
I watched Mullens again the other day against Michigan, and while his final stats (15 points, 6 boards in 26 minutes) look decent, his lack of effort on the boards stood out. Here’s a guy who should be averaging 7+ boards in his 19.2mpg, yet he’s at 4.2. 4.2 rebounds per game for an athletic 7 footer in college!
He seems more like a young Eddy Curry to me, though with a different body type. Freakishly athletic for his size, gets up and down the court with ease, and always looking to score and do nothing else.
I think Motta’s the right coach for him though, especially after seeing him ride pine through most of the non-conference season when most coaches would play him 30+ mpg.
With that said, I doubt he slips to us. In his last four games, he’s scored 57 points in 97 minutes on 27/37 shooting. He’s dominating without trying. As his minutes rise, I expect to see him move into the top 3 on mock drafts. He’s more talented than Griffin.
by YaoPau on Jan 20, 2009 6:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I want the Bulls to draft either a SG or a "true" scoring C.
As always, I’m convinced Gordon is gone. They’ll need to replace him eventually, and while Thabo’s nice to have, I don’t think he’s a permanent solution at SG. Also, I would think a front line of Deng, Thomas, Asik, Noah, offensive Center w/ a higher potential than Gray would be quite interesting.
If they get No. 1, I’d go for Griffin, hands down. Then, I’d go Harden, Thabeet (cuz why not?), Mullens, Ogilvy, Budinger (I still believe!) and DeRozoan. I’m leery of the other PF/undersized C’s up top because they’d simply be replacing Thomas, not complementing him, and I don’t think they have enough potential/proven productivity to warrant that with other needs. I want nothing to do with the PG/SG combos because I don’t trust the back court defense w/ the way rose is playing. I’d want someone who at least has the potential to be good defender of ALL SG’s.
Miraculously drafting Harden makes me geeked for the future, no matter the rest of the team. Landing Budinger with consistently good performances from Deng, Thomas and Noah as the year wears on has me mildly excited.
Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!
by tyger1147 on Jan 20, 2009 6:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Newsflash
Odds of the Bulls getting another top 3 pick are about as slim as they were last year (likely not to happen).
I think anyone would say those will be in the top3 and the others top 8….
THere’s a shot unfortunately for #8, but I still think we’re unfortunately too good to fall that far, but not good enough to get past a 15th pick….
Sucks.
by majoyenrac on Jan 20, 2009 9:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
DeRozan would be a clutch draft pick
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by Illini15 on Jan 20, 2009 10:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Harden/Rose
would be amazing. If he (Harden) were just a bit more athletic, he’d be a perfect complement. But he’s close enough.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
by MPG on Jan 20, 2009 10:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, he looks pretty freaking ideal
De gustibus non est disputandum
by Sports2 on Jan 21, 2009 8:00 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
they won't be under the cap
so they can offer Milsap the MLE. And if they make a trade….still offer him the MLE. Not a penny more.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 20, 2009 11:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
"THEEEE MAN... INNNN THE MIDDLE...
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by YaoPau on Jan 20, 2009 5:16 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
(the sound of crickets)
I'm diggin Hinrich's high socks! Thats a good look for him.
by ImmanuelKant on Jan 20, 2009 5:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm so ready for someone to rearrange the deck chairs
I here the ice is whiter on the other side of the iceberg
by reprisal on Jan 20, 2009 11:45 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
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