Game Preview #33 - Bulls at Cleveland Cavaliers
[Thanks to chgobr for today's preview. Better than KC's preview, where he mentions 3 players potentially guarding LeBron while not including Tyrus Thomas in that group. -ed.]
I hope to write previews that have a positive spin. Being positive today is a real challenge. I was at the Orlando game and was a witness to the effortless, painful to watch massacre. The pain and anger, as usual, are well-documented in the game thread and Matt's post mortim. This team has made me into a cynic. I assume even Gordon's politically correct post-game comment documented in the Trib is done to facilitate him getting a contract verses really being upset by the lack of effort.
"We didn't play hard," guard Ben Gordon said. "We weren't ready, so it really didn't matter who was out there. I'm not going to make excuses. I wasn't ready. My teammates weren't ready. It's not acceptable."
The BaB frustration for wanting change can be seen in a diary posted by Nextgen. Nextgen proposed a trade that normally would have generated some discussion. The reaction was emphatic, no more talk, post after a trade is made. It is painful watching us outmatched time and again.
The good (which there was very little): I was fortunate to have been close to the floor and I really thought Noah was trying and was somewhat effective. And, .... please do not kill the messenger, but Nocioni was really trying and despite being outmatched by talent and height was somewhat effective.
Tonight's game: After the Orlando embarrassment I anticipate we will try harder, keep the game close at half-time, be down 5-10 after three and lose by 15-20. Ilgauskas is out with a left ankle injury to be replaced by Varejeo. Drew Gooden is a game-time decision. Wally Sczcerbiak returns after missing two games with a knee problem. Cleveland 26-5, 16-0 at home, is one game behind Boston 28-5. It is hard seeing Cleveland losing to us tonight. KC Johnson matches my pessimism by the goal trying to avoid a blow-out in anticipation of maybe beating some of the upcoming putrid teams in the NBA.
The Bulls need to avoid another blowout loss for their psyche in advance of, on paper, a winnable stretch.
Cleveland is improved this year and Maurice Williams may be an important addition supplementing you know who. He can hit big shots down the stretch and adds a dimension not there last year.
The future: Is this terrible stretch emblematic of dysfunctional Reinsdorf-Paxson management or are we at the precipice of a new golden era led by Derrick Rose? I thought Sam Smith did a great job documenting the thoughtfulness that Pat Riley used to groom Erik Spoelstra as the coach. Compare this to the dysfunctional process Paxson had hiring VDN.
"Birds of a feather flock together," Riley joked, though adding, "Every time I hire someone in some part of them they think like me."
The old story about Riley when he makes a hire is that he first checks the trunk of the applicant's car. If there are golf clubs in there, they're not hired. With Riley it's about work.
Though it's way more, an understanding of the system, a belief in the philosophy, a patience. When things go wrong, Heat owner Mickey Arison doesn't begin looking for successors.
"I won 15 games," noted Riley. "There never was anything written I'd be fired. You take the good with the bad with a franchise and stay with it until you get back on track. In the league now, there's a chasm (too often) between the coach and GM. You have to be tied in some way. I feel it's important that me and Erik are almost one person.
"He's old school and new school," said Riley. "He's in tune with me and the whole computer terminology, the internet, the statistical innovations. One thing that stands out in all the years was he's someone you converse with about what you've done, who to trade, someone who has a lot of thoughts and not your typical thinking. He's someone who respectfully disagrees but after that we can unite on a situation.
"He's one of those guys who apply their trade and don't look for recognition early, just work and learn," said Riley. "He wanted to learn before being recognized. You teach them and they take some of the culture and learn from a lot of people. I thought he was a guy ready a couple of years ago. You watch them grow, groom them to take your spot and that's the position I'm in."
I remember the Danny Ainge bashing here which I was a participant before the Garnett trade. There is hope.
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Sam didn't include Paxson's thoughts on why he hired Vinny
“He was REALLY nice. really.”
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 2, 2009 10:37 AM CST reply actions
Heh, I read that passage from Sam and immediately thought it was a subtle message about the Bulls.
De gustibus non est disputandum
The contrast between Riley's careful nurturing Spoelstra and our wierd process getting VDN is clear.
Riley likely has final say in these matters as long as he is employed by the Heat.
Pax has to run things by JR for approval, and JR wants to get involved in managing the basketball side of operations. If JR stuck solely to the business side and gave Pax final authority over players and coaches, the team would likely be better.
by Granny Waiters on Jan 2, 2009 5:28 PM CST up reply actions
dang @ Cleveland again!
looks like another ass beating. Go Rose!
Wow the Bulls have become the Clippers!
I think we'll hang with them for 3 quarters
until the Lebron show happens like every other game we’ve had against them this year.
"I like to use 'I Can't Believe it's Not Butter' on my toast in the morning, because sometimes when I eat breakfast, I like to be incredulous.
How was breakfast? Unbelievable."
that'd be an improvement over Wednesday
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 2, 2009 11:24 AM CST up reply actions
There was a time when the Bulls looked like a better team than Cleveland.
Wha happan?
Wow the Bulls have become the Clippers!
by ImmanuelKant on Jan 2, 2009 11:52 AM CST up reply actions
What a difference
Spoelstra is the classic paid-your-dues guy, a kid who began in the basketball operations version of the mailroom, breaking down tape for 14 hours a day in a darkened bunker in the Heat’s arena to spending 25 to 28 days a month on the road scouting and finally moving up to the Heat’s bench and replacing Riley last spring.
As opposed to playing in the NBA, landing a cushy assistant GM job, and then becoming a head coach despite never having coached before anywhere. Experience isn’t everything, but there is something to be said for having paid your dues.
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Or as opposed to . . .
Playing in the NBA, quitting an assistant coaching job after one year, being an announcer, and then being hired as a GM. Other than being a popular player, what were Pax’s qualifications? It’s no wonder this franchise is in the shape it’s in.
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that seems to be the cred for a lot of GMs
but you’re right, in retrospect Pax wasn’t qualified either.
Though I don’t doubt that the Pax/VDN combo is one of the least-expensive GM/Coach combos in the league as a result :-)
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 2, 2009 11:44 AM CST up reply actions
It's amazing how many NBA teams are poorly run
In baseball, the trend seems to be to hire smart young guys as GM’s, rather than just popular former players (I think Kenny Williams and Billy Beane are the only two MLB GM’s who were players). NBA teams, though, will just hire anyone who was a popular player as GM, regardless of whether they’ve ever run anything in their life or have any negotiating skills.
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meh, it's changing a bit
with the flameouts of Isiah, Baylor and (soon) McHale. Recent hires Darryl Morey (Houston) and Sam Presti (Thunder) are not from that mold.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 2, 2009 12:10 PM CST up reply actions
Too bad Mariotti is gone
Because you know he’d be calling for the firing of Pax and the hiring of MJ as GM right now. I always got a kick out of those columns.
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by Big D on Jan 2, 2009 12:24 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
"Look at MJ's draft picks as compared to Paxson's!"
“Adam Morrison is going to be a BREAKOUT star! Why isn’t Larry Brown giving him more run?!?”
"You remember the first time you picked up a basketball video game and you had no idea how to run plays, so you just gave the ball to your shooter and you ran around the court aimlessly until a defender was far enough away and then you jacked up a shot? THAT IS LARRY HUGHES!"
-Anonymous fan letter, heylarryhughespleasestoptakingsomanybadshots.com
Morrison may yet star,
in the D-League.
by Granny Waiters on Jan 3, 2009 7:17 AM CST up reply actions
To be fair his first few years I thought Paxson did a good job
getting the Bulls out of the dumps. Getting the Bulls back to the middle of the pack and into the playoffs. But he hasn’t been able to keep the Bulls going in a winning direction. This team busted after the Kobe/ Deng and BG talks and it’s never been the same.
BJ was likely more qualified right?
Wow the Bulls have become the Clippers!
by ImmanuelKant on Jan 2, 2009 12:05 PM CST up reply actions
Who knows
I guess he did at least have some front office experience. No other team exactly rushed to hire him after he left the Bulls, though.
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Looking back now, I wonder if it weren't Skiles highly influencing the player moves.
He’s done a similar thing in Milwaukee. I think Paxson may have won the battle with Thomas, (which may turn out to be a big bust), but then again, Thomas is primarily a defensive player who showed a lot of intensity in his Final Four run.
Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!
I don't know if Skiles was directly influencing the moves
But I’m sure Pax was making moves with the thought of finding players who were a good fit with Skiles’ philosophy in mind. Sometimes that was a good approach, and sometimes (Adrian Griffin) it wasn’t.
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Don't you remember the story about how Skiles and Pax took Aldridge out to lunch.
And Skiles didn’t say one word to Aldridge and just stared him down. I think Skiles was pro Tyrus… or at the very least anti Aldridge.
If I'm going to wildly speculate
(which I am), I’ll say that Skiles probably didn’t want either one of them.
De gustibus non est disputandum
he probably wanted to trade the pick for Richard Jefferson
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 2, 2009 1:52 PM CST up reply actions
The Chairman
really didn’t do BJ Armstrong any favors. I can’t say I would have made BJ the GM either at the time, but he had more front office experience than Paxson.
Now Armstrong is an attorney, an agent, and representing Derrick Rose on behalf of Wasserman Media Group. And he’s a former player.
Paxson hired the only guy other than Jim Paxson that could be himself coaching the team. That’s Vinny.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Jan 2, 2009 12:59 PM CST up reply actions
movies and TV shows about the bulls and former bulls..
Joakim Noah & Ron adams – Alien vs. Predator
Luol Deng & VDN – Blood Diamond
Aaron Gray – Man vs. Food
Andres Nocioni – Lost in Translation
Larry Hughes – Jumper(shooter)
VDN and Derrick Rose – Titanic
Cedric Simmons – The Longshot
Lindsey Hunter – Gran Torino
Joakim Noah – Screamers
VDN & Pax – D*mb and D*mber (sorry Pax VDN.)
The Bulls coaching staff – Fantastic Four(you judge who’s the woman)
Sweetney – Shrek
Thabo Sefolosha, Tyrus Thomas, Joakim Noah & Cedric Simmons – Jurrasic Park
Derrick Rose – 2 Fast 2 Furious
can’t think of anything else..add if you want.
Go BULLS!
One thing that does bother me
About the Spoelstra praise and comparisons to Del Negro is that Eric came on board with a healthy and motivated Dwyane Wade…..the same Dwyane Wade who single-handidly dismantled the Dallas Mavericks….a team which had the best record in the league I believe since the Bulls dynasty with 67 wins….a Dallas team that saw it’s MVP player demolish the San Antonio Spurs the season before….
Wade looked better than ever this Olympics, and while Lebron is the leader for the MVP to date, Wade’s playin ght ebest basketball in the league.
He was hurt last year even when he played…..the Heat were something ridiculous like 1-12 or worse when he first came back from injury. Shaq was complaining, the team was a bigger mess than the Bulls, they trade Shaq….Wade plays hurt for 10-12 more games just to start a feel with Marion. Marion gets hurt, Haslem gets hurt…..the D-Leaguers can’t compete and the team is awful.
Wade’s back and better than ever, and Marion’s back and um good at least…..Haslem’s back and is the nice role playing big man every team loves to have, but he doesn’t do anything that wow’s you, just plays hard.
The team wins mostly because D. Wade is just that good….not strictly because of Spoelstra at all (Spoelstra of course also benefits in that he’s been on the Heat sidelines for the entire Wade career, not an outsider).
THe Heat team were geared for improvement, dramatic improvement over the 15 win season a year ago. Wade’s been the best player in the league to date….
If D. Wade was on the Bulls (Wade is an MJ-esque competitor—-folks who want to say otherwise need look at the finals and at his early Marquette career alone for normal examples of Wade’s leader/competiitve nature/and humble ways of inspiring his team).
Replace Gordon with Wade, and the Bulls would be in the tops of the East…..Gordon’s a good player too, but his quiet nature doesn’t necessarily inspire the most out of his teammates (while BG is a competitor, his lack of captain/leadership over the years) indicates he’s a pro, a good pro, but not the leader this Bulls squad has needed).
Wade wouldn’t stand for the pansying it up of Luol Deng (Ankle injury aside), the lack of heart from Deng in the 4th.
Wade wouldn’t stand for the antics of Tyrus and Noah…..and I’m sure those guys playing with Wade would be more inspired to play their games and not bitch about roles….
That’s the unfair thing. We want to crucify Del Negro, but he’s coaching as a rookie coach, with a team of complete misfits……and while he’s hardly been perfect or good to date he hasn’t been given the best chance to succeed.
I would say the comparison should be more in regards to
Riley versus Paxson.
Riley strategy is hands on mentorship for his coach, Paxson’s continues to look for direction from his coaches.
Riley has passion for game-time decisions and coaching, Paxson prefers back office finance and personnel administration and has no desire ever to coach.
Riley understands player development and involves himself, Paxson delegates this task globally to the coaching staff with one line agenda items. “develop tyrus, noah and thabo”
Riley hires a rookie coach whom he can mentor, PaxsDorf has no business hiring a rookie coach. Paxson needed a leader like D’Antoni, Larry Brown, Jeff Van Grudy, etc who establishes strategy and direction and who also commands respect. This type of coach (alias Skiles) therefore allows Paxson to do what he does best and also allows him to keep some of his hair.
I don’t bash VDN, yet I believe this VDN experiment has almost a zero percent chance of being successful. But, a great opportunity for VDN and I hope he gains from another Paxsdorf’s mismanagement with another coaching opportunity down the line after coaching one of the most dysfunctional management organizations in the NBA.
man up!
by exult463 on Jan 2, 2009 1:25 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Past Hirings
Since we are comparing the hiring tactics of both Riley and Paxson, let’s look at the previous hires by both men.
Skiles was a great hire to get the Bulls out of the basement of the NBA.
Stan Van Gundy was leading the team to an NBA Championship when Riley kicked him out to get the glory of winning the title. SVG has since gone on to coach the 3rd best team in the East.
In a league with coaching turnover is as common as a Ben Gordon turnover I’d say the Heat franchise has a GM that really knows what works behiend the bench.
Paxson will be judged on his hire in 2010 that will have to guide the Bulls deep in the playoffs.
franchise players.. LBJ, Wade, etc.. probably D.Rose
will more serious negotiate opt-out clauses not to be stuck on dead-beat teams. I’m sure Garnett is so happy not to be in Minny. Paxsdorf, can’t continue to screw things up continuelly and expect talent to wait for them forever.
man up!
How about the key matchup of the night?
Big Pasty v. Big Z!!!
"I like to use 'I Can't Believe it's Not Butter' on my toast in the morning, because sometimes when I eat breakfast, I like to be incredulous.
How was breakfast? Unbelievable."
perceived low-post skills vs. real ones.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 2, 2009 1:22 PM CST up reply actions
This is one battle the Bulls win!
Ilgauskas is not playing tonight according to the Cleveland Plain-Dealer. We catch a break . Big Patzy will be stripped by the rest of Cleveland while it takes ten seconds for him to dunk. This cuts our margin of defeat from 20 to19.
by chgobr on Jan 2, 2009 1:34 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
we joke about Gray
but if the dude went down with a prolonged injury, we would be in more trouble, Noc/Gooden 30 minutes at center, Noah 10 and Simmons 8 minutes.
man up!
Sad but true
That is a very sad but true statement about Gray’s importance. My follow up question for anyone here, KC, or Sam is where if MIchael Ruffin? I know he is bad and won’t have any effect on the 2010 Bulls but from what I remember of his NBA career he was a defensive 4 or 5 with no offense skills.
The thing the lack right now is a defensive post player.
Since Noah and Gray don’t really bring anything to the table offensivly or in the transition game why not let old ugly Michael Ruffin put a hand in whichever PG is going through the lane at will.
I know I'm getting ahead of myself but our chances of winning tomorrow just took a hit.
I have been looking forward to the MN game hoping we can start a winning streak. The Twin-Cities Pioneer Press reports that Mike Miller should return and be ready to play against the Bulls. Every one wants play against us to get their big game.
Losing to the T-Wolves should be grounds for mass firings
Really, the Bulls ought to go 4-0 after tonight. Those are the 4 worst teams in the league – if the Bulls can’t beat them at home, they have even worse problems than we thought.
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because I wish to insult you personally
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The team is not that bad with Deng and Gooden back
and everyone else healthy… It’s just that they aren’t also that good either.
Yet, they’re able to win games in the NBA. So hope Deng and Gooden are ready
man up!
by exult463 on Jan 2, 2009 2:22 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
according to sam smith's mailbag
ruffin’s probably not going to play all season.
seriously, why the hell did we sign this guy again?
he probably watched Reindsdorf's cat for a weekend
Then he cried when Reinsdorf returned, but it was merely tears on account of an allergy, not that he was that happy to see JR. Still, the chairman was moved by the gesture.
You can’t buy that kind of loyalty. Not for less than $1.4 million, anyway.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 2, 2009 3:01 PM CST up reply actions
He is a good passer and does take up space.
But he is sooooooooooooooo slow it drives me crazy. He has poor hands and is so easily stripped. That being said I think he is a bit better at keeping the ball over his head instead of bringing it down and a tad quicker at putting the ball in the hole. He is not a starting NBA center. He could be a decent backup someday.
i'd been telling my dad for weeks
about how slow gray is, because he kept saying how he liked gray.
finally like 2 weeks ago he calls me and goes “aaron gray is slooooow.” lol.
nice read man
"If there’s any haters in here right now that don’t have nobody to hate on, feel free to hate on me." - A.P.N.S.
The lack of Ilgauskas is a big deal.
He is 7-3 and puts in 14 points and 7 bds. He would have been an impediment to the driving derrick rose. Now cleveland has to start two offensively challenged big men.
If the bulls hit their shots and turn this into a hi-scoring game they have a chance to win.
This development really helps us
We still have to defend the pick and roll with Varejao.
We’ll still end up guarding Ben Wallace when he’s setting the high screens.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
ugh i forgot how bad that play torched us last game.
"I like to use 'I Can't Believe it's Not Butter' on my toast in the morning, because sometimes when I eat breakfast, I like to be incredulous.
How was breakfast? Unbelievable."
by chibullsfan03 on Jan 2, 2009 2:37 PM CST up reply actions
Good news
That was a close game so they ran it every play until they were up 10 and then give Lebron a rest.
This game probably isn’t near as close.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
LOL
and when he catches the ball in the paint, Noc will run to help.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 2, 2009 3:02 PM CST up reply actions
and when he pump fakes,
Tyrus will continually not bite fall for them and foul him every time. Like last game.
When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer
at least the bulls are on league pass
at the beginning of the season, i think there were 14 games on, and they only showed the bulls after halftime or whatever.
true true.
that and we had the early starting game so they of course were going to show it from the beginning.
in todays game im gonna be cheering for lebron
Mini-Lebron that is ;)
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