A Realistic Plan For The Bulls:

by Diz on Jan 13, 2009 4:48 PM CST Comment 31 comments

The fact of the matter is that the Bulls are in a very unique and difficult situation. They have acquired a number of assets, almost all of whom are regressing, underperforming, not fitting in, or not living up to their potential. Additionally, the team has two good but redundant players with long-term, and potentially overly expensive, contracts (Noce and Hinrich) and another “core” player whose future with the franchise is extremely uncertain (Gordon). The one beacon of hope is a young rookie with limitless potential (Rose). To say that the Bulls are at a crossroads would be a gross understatement. Should they cash their chips in for another low level all star or two? Should they get rid of long-term salary and sign one or two all star caliber players in 2009 or 2010 free agency? Or should they try to develop what they have? And the biggest question may be, are any of these options actually feasible, especially given the current ownership, GM, and coach?

I feel as though the best way to answer these questions is to go through the team player-by-player and attempt to realistically determine what the long-term plan for the franchise should be. At the very least, this exercise gives me some hope that Paxson might not be completely inept.

Derrick Rose – Not much needs to be said here. Surround him with a good group of guys and the sky’s the limit.

Luol Deng – See my point above about surrounding Derrick with a solid good group of guys. Deng epitomizes this player archetype, and should be held onto unless the Bulls are presented with a can’t loose trade. True, Deng is underperforming this year, and he has had some injury issues, but beyond truly being a good guy, he is extremely underutilized and misused in VDN’s “offense,” is very young at age 23, and started playing basketball later in life than most. His ceiling is still very high. Maybe he’s overpaid, but he’s still a great asset.

Tyrus Thomas – I am in favor of holding onto TT. Like Rose and Deng, he is young and has a ridiculously high ceiling. He has also been playing much better as of late, and with real coaching he might even be capable of making another significant jump upward (figuratively). Additionally, like Rose and Deng, he is physically suited for his position, and might benefit significantly from the Rondo/Perkins effect if surrounded by a more competent and cohesive group of players. That said, if TT is all that is separating the Bulls from acquiring an all-star via trade, he probably should not be withheld.

Ben Gordon – Clearly the guy can score, and his defense is much improved. I do worry somewhat about his personality (i.e. selfishness) as well as the Bulls’ ability to successfully negotiate a contract, though he might find that there’s not much money on the table this summer given the economy and other high quality FAs on the market. If we can lock him up for a reasonable price, I guess we do it, otherwise, I wouldn’t be too upset to let him go or work out a sign and trade.

Kirk Hinrich – I love the guy, and I think he has a bright future in the NBA, but he deserves to be more than a backup. I think the safest plan with Kirk is to keep him for the remainder of this season, and see how he and Derrick play together, and whether or not he is capable of playing the two guard. At the very least, he’s good insurance for next year if BG walks, and quality PGs are always in demand. He’ll always be tradable.

Larry Hughes – I’ll keep it short and simple. Bench him for the remainder of the season, or trade him for contracts that expire prior to 2010. He doesn’t deserve to play for our team, but he could be a good trade chip next season as the 2010 bonanza approaches.

Andres Nocioni – Again, I like him a lot, but he doesn’t fit with our team right now, and probably has some trade value. Maybe couple him with Larry Hughes and ship him out for serviceable expiring contracts. If the Bulls can rid themselves of Noce, and bench/trade Hughes, then they clear the backcourt glut, and open up room at SF for…

Thabo Sefalosha – This guy deserves to play. He has done well in limited minutes, and with his size and defensive abilities he could be a great role player off the bench. He’s our younger, more athletic replacement for Noce. Like with Thomas, if he’s a key piece of a trade for a legit all-star, then let him go, but otherwise, let’s see what he’s got.

Joakim Noah – Unless this guy starts hitting the gym, he’s useless. It’s great that he’s 7 feet tall and athletic, but it gets us nothing unless he can run the court and muscle up with NBA centers. I say get rid of him. At best he’s a 6th man, but he may have some trade value.

Aaron Gray – Under no circumstances is this guy anything but a backup center, but in my opinion, he’s a serviceable backup. I wouldn’t mind keeping him for minimal $$.

Drew Gooden – I like the guy a lot. I like his beard, his antics, and his offensive abilities. Too bad he’s a terrible defender and doesn’t have much potential beyond his current level of play. He’ll cost the Bulls too much to retain given the current makeup of the team. Let him walk at the end of the year, or include him in a trade before the end of the season.

Omar Asik – I hope he’s good and finds a way to actually make it to the NBA.

Cedric Simons – Let him go.

Michael Ruffin – Why did we sign this guy again?

Lindsey Hunter – With Hinrich right around the corner from his return, why did the Bulls decide to retain him and guarantee his salary???

In Conclusion: If we can move Noce this year, we should. If we can put together a trade package for a legit all-star, we should. If we can take part in a siginicant “shake up” trade, we should. Otherwise, making moves for the sake of making moves is probably not prudent. The next two years will be extremely telling.

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Nice work

I agree with a lot of what you’re saying.

Though I disagree with the idea that Thabo’s shown a lot in limited minutes, and Noah’s useless. If anyone’s shown something in limited minutes it’s Noah. But you correctly assess Thabo as Noc’s replacement backup 3 and nothing more. And I’d also give up Noah before Thomas (though I’d give up Thabo before each)

And I don’t need to be convinced that Hinrich cannot play the two. Doesn’t shoot well enough, doesn’t get to the line, cannot guard enough (to make up for the other two things). Putting him at the two basically negates whatever good qualities he had as a point. Plus if they keep playing him off the ball I fear it only diminishes his trade value.

Trade or DNP Noc and Hughes, good things will follow. Or at least illuminating things, good or bad.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 13, 2009 5:08 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

For the most part I agree about Hinrich

He probably can’t play the two. But if BG walks and we can’t sign/trade for anyone decent, he’s a good filler for next year and still very tradable.

Also, I used to love watching CP3 and Pargo play together last year, and have this fantasy that maybe Rose and Hinrich could replicate something like that, with each sharing the ball handling duties…probably just a naive thought though. Plus it would require a coach with some amount of strategic basketball knowledge.

by Diz on Jan 13, 2009 6:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

kirk did well with rose this year

from what i remember

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by Yibs on Jan 13, 2009 9:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

they loved Pargo so much

he’s in Russia.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 13, 2009 9:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

They did give him almost 4 million...

Not to worry tho, if BG costs too much our little Pargo will ~~only~~cost $9 mil and he’ll be an inch taller!

by reprisal on Jan 13, 2009 10:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Nice Post

Here’s mine:
Untouchables unless it’s for Wade/James/D Howard or perhaps a solid combo like Dirk-J. Howard for 1 of these, a decent but ill fit (Noc-Hinrich), and crap we don’t need) Hughes)

1. Derrick Rose. Want him to be our PG for a long time. He’s not quite Chris Pauling it out there as a rook, but definately had some CP3 games early this year. He’s also a bit younger than Paul was, and while not the passer, is more a scorer. THe nice bright spot.

2. Tyrus THomas. I can’t believe we still grab him and bench him so often. Give him consistency and he might get it. I thought he looked better than LMA last night, but then was oddly on the sidelines….I know he and Oden were jarring at each other after Oden close-lined him and didn’t get the deserved T…..Oden’s the golden boy right now. But whatever. We have nobody on the team that can do the raw things Tyrus can do, Tyrus just ain’t consistent and has learning to do. I’d hate to trade him just to rid ourselves of a Hughes overcrowding issue, or a less than favorable contract.

Wouldn’t mind keeping at least now
3. Deng. I’m not the biggest Deng head, and he’s disappointed….I think he’s still a very solid player and a slightly above avg SF who has potential to be top 6-10 SF. He defends well, he can normally consistently score and he’s young/so his contract won’t be too bad. Give him a chance after our trade and who knows….he might succeed. He should at least be a consistent player on both ends, which is something we lack. We made the choice choosing him over Gordon, now we have to stick with it.

Guys who I like but I’d be fine leaving now
4. Ben Gordon. Personally I think he’s better than Deng, not in the all around game but because he gives us something we so desperately lack without—consistent scoring bunches. He’s always been consistent. He’s playing better D of late, always has done what the team asked, even though he’s been derided as not. My choice (And I’m not int he na na na na na na as I said it all last year and this summer) would have been keep BG, sign him for $65M and look to trade Deng in a package for the big we desperately needed…..as BG didn’t ahve the value of Deng, but is and was the better player—folks were weary of the Skiles perception placed on Gordon….and the restricted status didn’t help. We can’t afford to keep both BG and Deng and have any hope of building a championship contender. WE NEED THE BIGS. I think we unfrotunately have to let BG go…..

5. Kirk Hinrich. Yeah he played like crap last year, but I think that was a mess of the team/management. He’s a good player, good defender who I don’t think we can keep on our bench given our salary and needs…..he should be gone this deadline….esp because a lack of PT might further hurt his value, and I certainly worry he’ll eat too much Rose minutes as Rose seems to hit a rookie wall. It’s a shame we couldn’t see the Rose-BG-Hinrich tandem, but oh well…..Kirk did what the org asked him to. I think he might be an ok 2, but frankly we’re not winning with him as our 2 and no inside guys, and thus Kirk needs to go….he’ll torch us post trade though until Derrick works out the D deficiencies this offseason.

6. Andres Nocioni. I love Noc and am in the minority, but folks deride him for hte salary and want him to be a Deng like quality player. He’s not as far off of Deng as folks think, unfortunately, but in a defenseless system full of guys who don’t rotate, Noc looks worse than he is….add to that a system where the SF’s aren’t a vital part, and both Noc and Deng look awful….Anyway he was a great luxury to have for a winning team…but now that we’re losing, he has to go because he’s too expensive for what he does (Pax’s fault). I’d welcome a trade to get us under his contract.

7. Joakim Noah. I think the fans are a bit too harsh on him. Sure the dancing with MJ last summer wasn’t great, nor was him coming to camp out of shape, but he can do a lot of things on the court. I think his value is better than folks think and he might be a necessary icing on the cake.

Folks who I like but don’t think should be included in a trade
8. Thabo Sefalosha. I think at this point he’s just a filler in a trade, with little value. Fans like him becasue what we see, but he isn’t nearly what we hoped and hasn’t proven more than a flash here and there of what he can do. If his value was better I’d trade him, but I think he’s better than just the trade piece to make salaries match, and I think that’s how he’d be treated in a trade. Let’s let BG walk to give us room, trade Kirk, and just try the Thabo at SG for the year. Ok he’s not as productive as the other two, but if we get a true PF/C who cares, he can do a lot of little things. We need to get away from the guard oriented group we’ve been and build from the inside out. Rose should be the premier guard we need which in time will make us more effective at the guard spot than many teams (Few teams have 2 star guards, most have 1 superstar and 1 scrub, and Rose seems to be the superstar). Thabo’s versatility and D scream role player (as does his unfortunate shooting woes) but he has potential to be more and his value isn’t very high I’d bet in the league. Keep him.

Guys who should expire or be gone
9. Drew Gooden. Nice guy seemingly, did work hard a bit on the O end, wouldn’t be so bad on a team with a defender….but unless we get him for the MLE for 4 yrs or so, I’d say let him walk. I think he’ll get $8-9M for a 4 year deal elsewhere given his size, athleticism, rebounding, and ability to get points and age……other teams have defenders cover for the lapses in D….we don’t, and we need to play T2 more to get better. I had been saying let him expire to sign Gordon, but I just don’t think a ROSE-GORDON-DENG-crap and crap team will do anything. The 4’s and 5’S are must’s….

10. Aaron Gray. Ok he makes nothing, but he can’t play. He lost 30lbs, so I thought he’d be quicker, but he ain’t, he’s just lighter. Like the effort though, he does work awfully hard. He still might get a contract as a backup for a good team, but we certainly don’t need him, and I don’t want to see him starting anymore…

11. Larry Hughes. I think if we can’t pull off a major trade (like O’Neal) perhaps we keep him until next year. He’s not as bad on the court as his BaB rep, but he’s not exactly helping us either esp with him seeking a trade and becoming the jack up everything guy that got him traded from Cleveland….

12. Cedric Simmons. He seems somewhat athletic in the 5 minutes I’ve seen him, but I’m sure there’s a reason he’s only played 5 minutes. Goodbye.

by majoyenrac on Jan 13, 2009 5:23 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Nobody

should be in the “untouchable” category except for Rose, that’s it. Tyrus should be grouped elsewhere.

Also, I think you’re way off with your Thabo assessment. You’d let Kirk and Ben go in order to “develop” Thabo into a better SG? There’s not that much time in the world. You had it right with your first sentence…Thabo is trade filler and that’s about all we can do with him.

I think you were almost dead on everywhere else.

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by NormVanBeer on Jan 13, 2009 5:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

The Thabo thought

I know that BG and Kirk are much better guards, but they also have a higher trade value. Perhaps we package Kirk with Ben in our sign and trade, or make a trade involvlng both to a team where we can get a tougher to get big man….we’re struggling otherwise.

Rose is the guard future. We’d still be more than adequate at the guard spot with Rose, and Thabo seems to be a prototypical starting role player on a good team…..he’s tall, he can handle the ball, he’s versatile, he can defend well, he can pass, his shooting is suspect and he’s not consistent, but he’s better defensively than not. He could be a nice role player like Prince is for the Pistons or Haslem is for the Heat….and he’ll stay cheap allowing us to have a relatively decent, not too expensive backcourt, freeing room for the frontcourt. I would never think he’d be a better SG than either Ben (who’s really good and is a shame to be lost, but a result of the Deng/Noc issue) and even Kirk, a reliable SG with his myriad of skills because we can play more a 2 PG lineup, but a real luxury to have as a not perfect SG making starter’s money off the bench….and he’s well in my opinion too good a player to be a bench guy. I’d love to keep both if we had anything inside.

As for untouchables. Yes Derrick is in the untouchable except for the 3 I mentioned. I htink you agree.

Tyrus is the scary one. Watch if we trade him as a big filler in a trade, he’ll blossom and be a much better player than the guy we get for him. Tyrus is young, he’s got too many raw skills. I know it’s his 3rd yr in the league, but what’s the rush, he wasn’t expected to be there right away, overperformed as a rook, underperformed as a soph. We’re seeing a bit more from him at recent, and he’s 22…..if he gets it in 2 years, he could have a good 10-14 years of solid bball under his belt, and folks (me especially will be pissed if we used him to get someone who’s not a 1-3 in this league or a combo of any of the older 4-12’s…..his upside is still very high, very high and his value is relatively low, but not as low as we’d think because teams can see what he can do…..

I would rather we keep him for 3-4 more years even if he never figures it out…..All those raw skills are just tough to give up on…..

by majoyenrac on Jan 13, 2009 9:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Thabo and Deng

Thabo- I agree with the Thabo evaluations by everyone so far. In the past I have thought more of him as a player than most people. I wanted him to start at the 2 from day one. My reasoning for this was Ben is a prototypical 6th man, Kirk was gonna be traded by this point, and Larry is Larry. Now I see he really can’t be a starter yet because of his lack of offensive skills. I think he is getting a lot of deserved love right now because when he is playing D it is such a shock to a Bulls fan’s senses.

Deng- Here I still see way too much confidence in his play and attitude. The first myth I’d like to crush about Deng is that he is athletic enough to be an above average 3. Deng has never been able to create his own shot. There is no way he can be an above average SF in the leauge if he isnt able to put in on the floor from the wing and go to the hoop. I actually think he is not as horrible a defender as the rest of the team, but Thabo looked real good guarding SF while he was out. The fact Paxson is making excuses for his regression this season really shows what type a player he is. " We need to run offense so Luol can come off cuts and attack the basket off the pass". What other 72mil player in the NBA needs the whole team to change style because it
s the only way the player is effective? That is like saying Miami can NEVER run a halfcourt set offense because Shawn Marion needs to run the floor. My final problem with Deng and I know I’ll get bereated for saying it is HE IS REAL REAL SOFT. <y final thought is where do you rank Deng compared to other 3s in the division? Rich Jeff, Dann Granger, Prince, Lebron? I got him him 5/5

by Jscho316 on Jan 14, 2009 9:58 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Good points and fair enough

I never understood all the “athletic” and Deng comments before. Deng’s not terribly athletic, he’s not bad and would be great for a 5, but for the stacked 3, he’s an avg athlete. It was his knock in college that 1 year coming into the pros and it’s his knock now.

What he does have going for him, is the long arms and ability to get shots at the rim. He’s a SMART basketball player, defends well, does a lot of little things, rarely (besides early on this year) will he ever kill you, rarely has really bad nights, just several nights where he is really good mixed with several nights where he’s efficiently unnoticable.

Deng’s numbers weren’t as solid last year as they were the year before, but you could just see how good he was in qtr’s 1-3 against many of the big SF’s. He has the talents and mostly the smarts to outperform his athleticism for his position and be a 6-10 SF, he was probably nipping on the 10 last year, though this recent downtrun keeps him down (especially as guys like Granger, etc move up).

He’s an efficient guy, and never should have been thought of as an oh wow max superstar, he ain’t….but he has the skills to be a more efficient Tayshawn Prince at some point with a bit more pep and offense, and that’s enough for me to say he’s ok to keep around here and why some team will definately grab him.

I do think Deng is ahead of RJ, but nowhere near James of course, and Danny’s moved past him. Prince is attainable, but Deng ain’t there yet, though he’s 23, who knows. He’s more offensively minded than Prince, not quite the defender, but will be more effective when he gets it going.

My how Chicago fans ire on him quickly….he was our golden boy forever and now is too overly panned. Deng will be fine. He might end up being worth $8-9M a year by the end of his contract if we don’t trade him, but that’s not too terribly high. He definately won’t fall into a really bad contract. He has value to be traded, the only thing that would make his signing truly awful is if he keeps staying hurt.

by majoyenrac on Jan 14, 2009 10:14 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Deng is paid much less than a "oh wow max superstar".

by Granny Waiters on Jan 17, 2009 2:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I

was commenting on the general fan thoughts about Deng….

by majoyenrac on Jan 20, 2009 11:19 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

We are better than the average fan here, no?

I mean, read the comments the yahoos post on Yahoo! blogs.

In Rose We Trust

by Granny Waiters on Jan 22, 2009 8:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I wasn't saying we aren't

And if we were, I wouldn’t be here….

But to the avg fan of the NBA (not even Bulls fans) Deng was a near max player even this summer (sportsline.com, si.com talk)…..

by majoyenrac on Jan 23, 2009 2:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

dengs better than jefferson

Deng can, in a way, create his own shot…however, not in the traditional way. He has a very high basketball iq and is great at moving without the ball. That is a skill. Richard Hamilton did the same thing when detroit won a championship. Not everyone can do it and when you have such an explosive player like rose, its great to have players who can be effective without the ball. Also, he is able to tire opposing players. Its exhausting running through screens all game and that is important when playing against the best sfs in the league.

Also, Deng plays good defense, is a great locker room glue guy and a very good rebounder for a sf. There is more to the game than scoring and the intangibles he brings are important to the development of our younger players (the same goes for hinrich).

Finally, our division probably has 3 of the top 5 sfs in the league, so its misleading to ask that question. I mean, how many sfs are better than Lebron, Granger and Tayshaun???

by rosefromconcrete on Jan 15, 2009 11:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

good read

Noc is over with Chicago and he needs a change of scenery. Let’s see some DNP-CD’s for Hughes.

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by chibullsfan03 on Jan 13, 2009 5:29 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

So your plan is

to go with a roster of Rose, Deng, Hinrich, Tyrus, Thabo, Gray … then start Rose, Hinrich, Deng in the backcourt, with Thabo getting big minutes? I’m missing why this has three rec’s.

by YaoPau on Jan 13, 2009 6:24 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

I think the point is more just to point out

that while we all want to shake things up immediately, it will likely take time. Plus, yes, we do have solid starters in Rose and Deng, a potential starter in TT, a good role player in Thabo, and a cheap backup in Gray. These are not bad building blocks for a contender. Making rash moves purely for the sake of a “shakeup” might not make sense. Hopefully Pax has a plan, and is slowly maneuvering the team such that he can accomplish this plan. With better coaching, and hopefully the addition of a few all-star type players, this team will be back on track. If this requires trading away Tyrus, Thabo, or even Deng, fine, but we should wait for something that actually makes sense.

by Diz on Jan 13, 2009 6:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

YaoPau is right

I don’t get how this is a good plan and why are people so down on Noc. He is still valuable and respected around the league. I honestly think this team needs to be seriously shaken up and I don’t see that happening in what you suggest.
Rose is the centerpiece. I think we would all agree on that. I don’t think Deng plays well with him but that maybe the coach. The player who plays the best with him is Gordon and he’ll probably be gone after this year.

by thehat34 on Jan 13, 2009 6:36 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Noc is the man

but he’s too old for our team, and more valuable to others than he is to the Bulls. I honestly think Deng is just not being used right with VDN. When our only play is the pick-and-roll, Deng shouldn’t be expected to succeed. I’m not opposed to resigning Gordon if the price is right.

by Diz on Jan 13, 2009 6:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

agreed

noc can be a good role player, but too bad his contract sucks. deng def needs more help with the offense. i remember reading about deng trying to post up, and then vinny not encouraging this, thinking it slowed stuff down but he lets other guys do it. i hope he and the staff work to get him involved cause he is going to be here awhile. and i’d like to resign gordon but not for 15mil$. for something fair, i’m game.

by Jaina on Jan 13, 2009 8:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Noc is not the man.

he is a below average nba player. If we can ge an expiring contract for him we will be lucky. This offense is perfect for him and his per is about 10…that doesnt take into account his TERRIBLE defense. Why do people like him so much? He hustles?? Its ridiculous. Having said that, hes played better recently, but he shouldnt ever play more than 15-20 minutes a game…I prefer closer to the 15 minutes.

Overall, good plan. Tyrus, if coached and surrounded by a few quality veterans, could be a very good player. Thabo has glue guy written all over him. I could see having an impact on games in the same way that Bowen and Raja Bell impact games. We have a lot of great role players, now we need to return to skiles era defense. If we can play that type of quality defense, we will have a great chance of convincing Bosh to come to Chicago and be the missing piece.

by rosefromconcrete on Jan 15, 2009 11:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

yeah, i didn't mean to agree with

the “noc is the man” part agreed with the rest of what was said.

by Jaina on Jan 16, 2009 7:41 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Maybe the fans like Noc because he reminds them of themselves when they played

ball in HS or play pick-up ball now?

by Granny Waiters on Jan 17, 2009 2:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

that maybe it

but this is the nba. I dont want a player that reminds me of myself. There’s a reason Im not Im not in the NBA. Also, hes a dumb player. Dont confuse hustle with intelligence

by rosefromconcrete on Jan 18, 2009 3:45 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Take it a bit with a grain of salt

Because I certainly know he ain’t our best….but this undue hatred of Noc is ridiculous.

Nocioni is a very good basketball player for the team when he plays, as shown here

by majoyenrac on Jan 20, 2009 11:22 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Course

Take +/- a bit as a grain of salt, but on the season to date, that proves that while his individual moments aren’t always stellar, he does help this club FAR MORE THAN he hurts…..

And I wish I could look back at my bball career and see Noc, Mr what is it $45M Noc….I’d be damn happy.

Folks would definately not have the ire for him if we were winning or if he was at $30M for 6 yrs…

by majoyenrac on Jan 20, 2009 11:23 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

no, he's terrible

that says the team does well when he plays, not that he does well when he plays.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 21, 2009 10:07 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Well

He’s a catalyst for the team then…..

It surely does mean he’s not as bad as you want to think….and gives creedence to the “energy”.

I’m not a be all end all /- stat guy by any means, but over the course of 40 games, this proves that Noc isn’t nearly as bad for our team as he looks individually, and his indiv #’s are godawful mainly for that godawful should have been benched stretch in Dec.

He’s not great, but he is not bad either. And this explains some of his value.

by majoyenrac on Jan 21, 2009 10:59 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs