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Blazers 109, Bulls 95: Well, that's one we can't blame on Larry Hughes

When you have only two above-average offensive players who were more like average (or in Gordon's case: bad), and a team defense that's consistently abysmal (with the help of some deft substitution patterns)...the result is little surprise.

However it still led to some fun Vinny-ness. The Bulls are beyond bad and approaching fun-bad at this point, no?

The first quarter was actually competitive, but Vinny made two odd choices: one was to double-team Aldridge 15 feet away from the basket (and the man doubling, Thabo, was more like 20 feet away). This happened quite a bit. Aldridge is a ninny, he's just going to shoot fadeaways. Can't you let Thomas handle that alone?

And then while McMillan switched Batum on Gordon (with pretty bad results actually) to spare Roy, Vinny keeps Gordon on Roy (with Sefolosha...I guess designated to double team for no reason) so Gordon gets two fouls in the first 5+ minutes.

But Vinny did do one thing relatively right: he kept Larry Hughes' minutes to a minimum and instead had Hinrich return as the backup point. So I'm glad Hinrich's back for that reason alone. (though playing 20 minutes when he was supposed to get half that...can't even keep that straight?)

But while the backcourt was somewhat situated, Vinny cannot resist pairing Gooden/Noc as the frontcourt. This is because he's not a good coach. There was a long stretch in the 2nd half with Rose/Gordon/Deng/Noc/Gooden. Deng's the only good defender in that group, and this was his first game back from an ankle sprain. So if Steve Blake and Brandon Roy abused Rose (happened quite a bit) and Gordon to get past the perimeter, rest assured there was at least nobody guarding the basket. And with Deng and Thabo available, why is Noc ever guarding Travis Outlaw?

I dunno, same old garbage I guess. Tyrus Thomas didn't do much statistically but he wasn't hurting, so just leave him out there. And Noah (who was booed pretty heavily tonight, way more than I've ever heard) made some mistakes (though that 3-second violation was partly on Hinrich for passing up a shot) but he is, um, tall.

Likely a losing result no matter how you pair this frontcourt, but when Noc and Gooden (and Gooden/Gray, though at least they can board) are out there you're basically waving a white flag defensively. Why watch that? Let's face it: Tyrus and Noah only play regularly if there's injuries. It's not who's playing well, or 'matchups', or disciplinary actions...it's Vinny thinking Gooden and Noc (and Gray for that bizarre stretch of games started) are his best options, both now and developmentally.

It's getting so bad I'm not even sure Brad Miller can save them. But lets try it (a trade, not necessarily Brad Miller...more like ridding the team of Noc and Hughes) anyway. End of this week, alright Pax? Might want to get started on the coaching search too, judging by the last one (and its result) you may need 6 months instead of 6 weeks of interviews.

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How many empty seats were there?

It sure seemed on TV like there were quite a few. The last 5 minutes especially looked like a Memphis Grizzlies game, even though the game wasn’t completely out of hand (a 10 point lead). I have a feeling Uncle Jerry is going to get quite a wake-up call come season ticket renewal time.

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by Big D on Jan 12, 2009 11:04 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

There were a lot of empty seats...

In my section, we had almost one entire row empty and not a single row full…but, in fairness, the Chicago area is under a Blizzard Watch tonight…

" I've looked at these numbers and decided the #1 problem

is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger

by Dionysus2.0 on Jan 12, 2009 11:06 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thats the first step Bulls fans!

You wanna win you cut off support. Stop buying their food. Don’t be a sheep any longer. I know it’s cold and the only thing to do is Taco Bell but be strong. Save your money.

Trade someone please!

by ImmanuelKant on Jan 12, 2009 11:25 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It worked for the Blazers

"When I have the ball, I experiment." #5

by Sabonis4Ever on Jan 12, 2009 11:27 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Loan us Pritchard for 5 seasons then

Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
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by Ozzie Montana on Jan 13, 2009 12:04 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sure

E-mail Larry Miller.

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by Sabonis4Ever on Jan 13, 2009 12:27 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ha ha!

Could you imagine the E-Mails Larry would put out if people were trying to sign Pritchard! :-)

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by OCBlazerFan1 on Jan 13, 2009 1:40 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yeah it was a little better than the Kings game actually

and I didn’t see an attendance guessing game (unless they did it in the last few minutes, I bailed).

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 12, 2009 11:28 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

There was no guessing game.

It didn’t look that empty, but it definitely emptied out with the Bulls bad play.

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by Andrew7 on Jan 13, 2009 12:30 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Finally, your friendly bulls blogger admits.

That Gordon is not a good defender.

Its really about the small steps…first you admit he is not a good defender, then admit that he makes some selfish plays, ultimately…oh well, maybe one day you will see…

" I've looked at these numbers and decided the #1 problem

is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger

by Dionysus2.0 on Jan 12, 2009 11:08 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i don't think

anyone has ever contested that he was a “good defender”. Yes, he has made lots of improvement this year, but he’s still not a good defender. But ummm, it’s not like this team has ANY “good” defenders at all…or have you seen something that none of us have?

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by NormVanBeer on Jan 12, 2009 11:14 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

we didn't follow our new years resolution

of ignoring D2.0

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 12, 2009 11:29 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

darn, you're right

I got sucked in that quick

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by NormVanBeer on Jan 12, 2009 11:37 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

always hilarious.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 12, 2009 11:28 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No (s)he's not.

(S)he’s sad.

Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!

by tyger1147 on Jan 13, 2009 7:48 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I emailed this to sam smith

I am sickened by the bulls. But VDN angers me the most, he is just a terrible coach who doesn’t know how to utilize any of his young players besides Rose. Tyrus is our best big man at defending yet he didn’t get up a shot the whole game tonight. I find that comes from poor coaching by Del Negro. Tyrus must have had only four or five offensive touches the last few games. And Noah isn’t playing enough he’s a good rebounder. VDN is good at one thing killing a players confidence and in game rhythm specially that of Noah, Tyrus, and tonight Thabo. You think Paxson is feeling bad about his choice of Del Negro, this team is very similar to last years to me.

response by smith;

i haven’t talked to him about it lately, but i think he is and i think you have it right

by armstrong2389 on Jan 12, 2009 11:13 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think he doesn't really utilize Rose all that well either

but yeah I wish people would start putting this stuff in their columns.

by Camry on Jan 12, 2009 11:23 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The Bulls guards are under strict orders not to pass the ball to Tyrus because Vinny

is terrified he may try to take a jump shot at some point.

Maybe Noah was caught taking a hit on his bong during pre-game and marijuana can be considered part of the vegetable family since it comes from a plant, thus violating his no-tolerance policy relating to foodstuffs justifying his punishing him with reduced minutes. Plus he was enjoying the stellar defense being provided by rew Gooen on Odem.

With Thabo playing as well as he did tonight, Vinny likely started to experience an oncoming panic attack because he knew this would take time away from big shot Larry who would then be all over his ass in the press. He became even more confused after receiving a cell phone call from Pax, reminding him they shelled out mega-millions to Luol and he needed to be on the floor, at least for tonight. Once VDN has to multitask, his neurons become short circuited and his brain practically explodes, which is the reason you always see him rubbing his temples with his eyes closed during pressure situations.

It is becoming obvious VDN has a mancrush on Gooden and Nocioni. How else can anyone rationalize this combo always playing in crunch time, although their defensive deficienies eventually lead to an inevitible trainwreck? If it turns out Vinny isn’t gay, and that isn’t the reason, in spite of his hair fetish and spiffy clothing choices, then it means either he has compromising pictures of Jerry R. and Eddie Curry or just maybe this empty suit is as clueless as his expressions seem to indicate during timeouts.

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by Tyrusmancrush on Jan 12, 2009 11:54 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   2 recs

hahahaha
Once VDN has to multitask, his neurons become short circuited and his brain practically explodes, which is the reason you always see him rubbing his temples with his eyes closed during pressure situations.

Nice.

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by Illini15 on Jan 13, 2009 12:04 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Gooden plays

so much under Vinny just because he can score and make things a bit easier for our guards on offense. He’s pretty consistent at gettin 14-18 pts a game and 8-12 boards. He’s pretty productive, especially for his salary in the league, and would be nice if we had more help side defense. It’s his lack of D that keeps him in the tier he’s in, he’s not a bad player, jsut horrible for our team because he symbolizes the “don’t play the youth” whent he youth has more upside.

Nocioni plays because he always plays hard…..and that’s a motivator to the rest of the team (or would be/should be if this team cared).

Noc will be out the door and will be missed once folks see him in a mor econsistent role playing a more natural position.

by majoyenrac on Jan 13, 2009 10:00 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What is that natural position for Noc?

He was killed at the 3 and the 4 last night and he played the entire stretch when the Blazers took the lead and extended it to a blowout.

I can’t blame Noc for the calls to double team Aldridge. That’s just awful coaching. But I can fault Noc for guarding Outlaw at th3 3 point line. Outlaw made open threes from catch and shoot ball movement. He wasn’t faking penetration and chucking a 3. With Noc on him at the arc he just drove right past him to get to the line, draw help for a passing opportunity, or just finished at the rim by himself.

This is lowest point in Noc’s career right now. His defense is nonexistent.

12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.

by NBA Observer on Jan 13, 2009 10:37 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The Blazers

Have many weapons and do a bunch of ball movement that many teams dont’ do.

I know Outlaw should have been covered more at the 3 pt line, especially after he got hot, but Noc was following the ball, few NBA teams pass as efficiently as the Blazers do. McMillan is one helluva coach…..and should follow the Duke coach (I can’t spell his name) as the next Olympic coach.

All of those passes to OUtlaw for the open 3’s were sensational team-first passes coming from penetration (which pulled Noc off his man to cover).

Had it been Deng, Thabo or anyone else, they would have made those passes to an open outlaw too, as it’s better to give the guy a wide open 3 shot than the easier to hit 2 that they would have had.

That’s fundamental bball defense….not to mention Outlaw was on fire.

I’m sure every player even the great defenders can give up a dribble drive.

I think the lack of team defense on this team is causing folks to irrationally fault Noc. He’s made to look worse because of the lack of D rotations from guards and Gooden.

All that said, I wouldn’t mind Noc to be gone from this team because we need help (As I wouldn’t mind Kirk to leave because we need help). It’s a shame, but next time re-Observe.

Our lack of team D/help D is appalling so appalling that the one guy/one position (cuz Deng does it too) that plays team D is often made to look worse than they are at D.

by majoyenrac on Jan 13, 2009 10:48 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

We're never going to get into transition

with Thomas, Noah, and Thabo on the bench. They’re defense is what was driving us to the lead.

Whenever we inbounded the ball to start our offense we were doomed.
Whenever we were in transition we had every chance to bury the Blazers.

This is all on Vinny because he makes the rotations and Thomas, Noah, and Thabo all rode the pine for practically the entire 4th quarter.

12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.

by NBA Observer on Jan 13, 2009 12:28 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I agree to that though

I would much rather see Tyrus-Rose-Gordon-Deng-Noah for 30 minutes consistently together, giving Hinrich-Gooden-Nocioni-Thabo the lion’s share of the rest of the minutes….and we try to use quick matchups against the second unit’s to offset our lack of size…..

This is the development troupe. Let’s just go all OKC and let the team lose…….but give us reasons to look for the future when we start seeing the Tyrus Thomas returns….

The lack of consistent big minute Tyrus Thomas PT is so disappointing…..

I think it’s Paxson’s fault for this more than Vinny because he’s not ridding our team of the slightly better now players who will have no chance at being better at this point next year if Tyrus gets the time….

Vinny’s in a damned if I do, damned if I don’t role.

If he plays T2-Noah consistent 30+ MPG together at the 4-5, we become a new OKC or Clippers for the year, with the occasional (oo wow game). I’d be very happy to see it actually rather than this slightly better version……..because of the future development.

Vinny wants to try to make us a playoff team AND feature guys for pending trades because Pax is probably in his ear saying “get Hughes PT”, “Give Gooden the time to bring his stats up”, “play Noc a ton in the 4th instead of Thomas because Toronto is interested”…..

by majoyenrac on Jan 13, 2009 12:35 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Dude

He shot the ball TWENTY times last night? Is that what you want?

by Bulls4Ever on Jan 13, 2009 11:44 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't

Want Gooden on our team, I was saying I understand the reasons to go to him.

We have holes and he’s one of them.

I’m done responding to the Noc hate, you guys are too blind…..

Nocioni is what he is, a hard nosed player who gives it his all 100% of the time on the court. He can shoot from the outside, do a little drive, is prone to streakiness and slumps.

On Defense, he works better in a team full of defenders than this bunch. He has the fundamentals down pat, but needs rotations…

He’s not nearly as bad as the crap given, and if we still had a defensive core adn were winning folks would love Noc.

Noc isn’t paying Noc, that’s a bad Pax decision to give him the money he’s getting, but he’s a fairly effective 6th or 7th man, who could be a 4th or 5th man on a team with the right personnel (defenders, leaders) of which we have none.

by majoyenrac on Jan 13, 2009 12:08 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Noc plays hard

or runs around like an idiot leaving his man wide open?

by Bulls4Ever on Jan 13, 2009 12:03 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Noc

I like Noc, but he takes too many bad shots and makes too many mistakes on the deffesive end, we need to trade this guy while we still have the chance.

by LOTP on Jan 13, 2009 4:07 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Funny Point

I like how you said Vinny is killing Tyrus’s confidence because that was the reason Paxson gave for hiring Vinny.

Paraphrasing – We need a coach that is going to lift our young players spirits. A guy that will have a door open and can play darts and talk basketball with the young guys.

by Jscho316 on Jan 13, 2009 12:16 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Don't forget Aaron Gray

We never feed it into him in the post. It’s ridiculous, given his nice little hook shot. Why not post up with our only post up player from time to time?

Jim Boylan had a better record than Vinny Del Negro…and Jim Boylan didn’t have no Derrick Rose.

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by Andrew7 on Jan 13, 2009 12:33 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Actually...

Boylan did have no Derrick Rose…

( I just said that to see what it must feel like to be Tyger)

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by kidronmusic on Jan 13, 2009 2:50 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Oh no you didn't!

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by Ugh It Live! on Jan 13, 2009 8:46 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Aaron Gray

Have you seen Gray play, the man is a bonafide scrub, have you seen all the lay-ups he missed and all the times the PG has came over to strip him.

by LOTP on Jan 13, 2009 4:09 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Tyrus is our best big man at defending yet he didn’t get up a shot the whole game tonight.

Hehe! Just foudn it funny to start your argument with a defensive fact then use an offensive complaint as a punchline.

It’s like saying Rodman was the best Bulls defender but he never took a shot the entire game.

by PatBull on Jan 13, 2009 3:18 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The booing of Noah

Is a bit ridiculous. Sure he didn’t come into the year prepared, but come on now….he plays hard on the court. He’s a young player who wouldn’t have to do what he’s being asked to do if Ben Wallace did a third of what he was paid to do.

It’s a bit ridiculous. Give the young guy some time. He’s not a 3rd or 4th year pro.

That really angers me. Noah should get more time.

I knew we were going to lose as soon as I saw “Big Aaron” get PT.

by majoyenrac on Jan 13, 2009 9:56 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

100% agreement

When I watch Noah play, I see him do a lot of the simple things you’re supposed to do. A shot goes up, you don’t follow the ball; you find your man, put a box on him, and then turn and look for the ball. When your team shoots, you don’t stand in place, watch the shot and turn around and trot back on d. The fact that he doesn’t have the strength to compete can be fixed. The shit I see Gooden throw out there won’t. Not this late into a very mediocre waste of talent career.

by California Al on Jan 13, 2009 10:24 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I agree...

…he is a good rebounder and is getting jerked around by this idiot of a coach. I see shades of the chandler situation again.

by bullsfaninbigapple on Jan 13, 2009 10:24 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well Tyson

Was a bit more athletic and there as a defender….but he wasn’t as jerked around by the play of burgeoning Big Aaron….

Still Noah has a better all around bball IQ and seems more confident (and really it’s the confidence level in Tyson that’s kept him at the level he’s going to stay because that athleticism and D skills, oh wow, and he was developing a real offensive game at the end of 04-05 before he fell apart mentally and forgot it all—never to return, now he’s just a alley oop/put back C, but a damn athletic, much more solid defensively put back/alley oop C.

Noah has more natural bball tendencies on both ends, and while perhaps not as athletic, he has the skills to be a better player in time….he just needs to bulk up (an early Tyson issue too) and get the pt that he should have right now.

THe fire aingst against him (Aingst looks spelled wrong, but oh well, sorry) is annoying and frustrating. Noah’s stats are fine for a second year pro. I think because what he does are the little things that don’t wow you the common fan thinks differently, but he’s doing better than many think, and being monkeyed around with so much in favor of Big Aaron. Fans should boo Vinny and Pax for allowing Big Aaron to get the time as an out matched C and not take their issues out on Noah.

I still have hope that Noah coming in unprepared will prove to him what he needs to do this offseason. I mean he was a leader for 2 champsionship teams for a reason, andi think the mess that was last year really soured him on the NBA too early.

by majoyenrac on Jan 13, 2009 10:32 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well again we'll see

He’ll be 24 in a month. I hope he turns it around next year, but if not he has 1 more year…..he’s used to dominating against the little college guys who typically weren’t as athletic as him, now guys are as athletic and stronger, so he’s struggling.

I hope he bulks up a bit, really that’s all he’s lacking from being an efficient starter…..because he has the rest of the game skills (boards, passing, hustle, defensive tendencies, and ability to get to the rim, he jsut can’t finish if his life depended on it becuz he’s so weak….

by majoyenrac on Jan 13, 2009 10:59 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Noah has some nice skills.

But he needs to bulk up. He gets pushed around too easily, causing him to lose balance.

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by Andrew7 on Jan 13, 2009 12:42 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Exactly

He has to stay around this summer and do it big in the weight room, instead of doing it big in Gainsville

by LOTP on Jan 14, 2009 3:20 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yeah, i agree

as well… What did people expect when we drafted him?? He is a solid rebounder who will get pushed around in the paint some. I didn’t expect him to instantly become a scorer or gain 30 pounds of muscle. It’s the same with BG, did we expect him to grow 5 inches instantly once he got to the NBA??

Noah is doing what I thought he would in the NBA

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by tyrus4prez on Jan 13, 2009 10:29 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I thought Noah would do more

But then again I thought he’d hit the gym more.

But he still can do those things and booing him isn’t going to help him do them with our club and really is RIDICULOUS.

Again had Wallace been what we thought, we could have brought Tyrus (always a project) and Noah on slowly as our 4’s alongside Wallace….

We wouldn’t have the defenseless Gooden out there, and if we did still take Gray, he wouldn’t play.

by majoyenrac on Jan 13, 2009 10:35 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yeah

there’s no excuse for not coming to camp in shape. But he’s gotten himself into shape and doing what I expected from him.

I vote for Thomas to play, play more and play regularly.-Sam Smith

by tyrus4prez on Jan 13, 2009 10:50 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And very consistently, the team plays better when he's on the court

and not too surprisingly, wheh ne’s on with TT. I’ve been trying to understand how well adjusted +/- reflect game conditions, and I don’t think that in his case it’s a mirage. When he’s thrown out there with Larry, Noc, Hunter and Gooden, the team plays like you think they would. But when he’s out there with Rose, Gordon, Thabo and Ty, shockingly, we play pretty well.

by California Al on Jan 13, 2009 10:36 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Push around? Not last night

Przybilla had 2 rebounds all night. Noah was boxing him out 8 feet from the hoop. This is against one of the best per minute rebounders in the NBA.

Noah was great last night, but VDN only played him 8 minutes. The early fouls weren’t bad fouls. He was in good position. One call was pretty whack. The other was a foul all on Noah.

Vinny has to realize that our opponents are trying to take away all of our good options, but as fans we know that Vinny takes them all away with his rotations.

12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.

by NBA Observer on Jan 13, 2009 10:41 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I missed last night's game

but I saw him doing the same with Collsion Saturday. He does what he’s capable of, and it’s a lot better than limp-junk Gooden.

by California Al on Jan 13, 2009 10:44 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   1 recs

Completely agree.

If I have to watch Gooden “defending” the other team’s center cutting into the paint … err …
I already threatened not to watch the games, and I don’t think I am anymore. I can’t threaten anything! Drat.
Well, we’ll be worse.

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by Prevenge on Jan 13, 2009 7:04 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I say

good for the fans for booing him. He deserves it! Gets busted smoking dope and drinking boose then comes to camp lazy and out of shape! He shouldve been cut! This guys a joke. He still playing off of his college merits. If he was serious about his career or craft he would be doing the exact opposite.

by Bulls4Ever on Jan 13, 2009 11:46 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I pose a serious question. Is DelNegro a better coach than Boylan?

I would say no. In my opinion, he is so out of his league (the D League?), he has gotten me to write something I swore I would never do again, that is
Spelling out Boylan’s full name when referring to him.

How does Vinny Del dipshit sound? If that’s too vulgar, I could use Vinny Deldippo.

And I actually thought he was going to be a big improvement over our trio of stooges last year. Another question. Just what the hell are our other card carrying AARP assistants bringing to the table, other than sucking off the corporate teat and entertaining Vinny during Bulls timeouts?

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by Tyrusmancrush on Jan 12, 2009 11:18 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

"asshole" works fine for me...

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by chibullsfan03 on Jan 12, 2009 11:24 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Record Says Boylan

Boylan had a better record than Vinny has now…and Boylan didn’t have Derick Rose. So you do the math.

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by Andrew7 on Jan 13, 2009 12:34 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

-3

I know it’s rough but cmon just seeing his name gives me awful flashbacks

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by Ugh It Live! on Jan 13, 2009 8:46 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Why not

Give the reigns to Stacey King. Didn’t King do well in the CBA? He wasn’t a succesful big at the pro level, but I think he had the knowledge.

Plus as an added bonus we can keep Funk on TV and get rid of the slightly more irritating King from the TV booth (add in Kendall there, who I always like and have always liked since I was a little kid)….

I do think Stacey has an eye for the game, but he can be annoyingly repetitive on TV. He was a succesful coach at the development league level (so I thought).

Give him a chance to coach, move Vinny to asst GM in the front office…..and have Paxson on the out list….

It’s such a shame, I loved Pax the player and know his methodology is what the Blazers copied to rebuild their team….problem is the Blazers scouts proved much better than ours…

by majoyenrac on Jan 13, 2009 10:04 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

he had more experience than Vinny

actually, hiring King would be right out of the Reinsdorf playbook.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 13, 2009 10:10 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That's

All I was saying….he had more experience than Vinny and has some working knowledge of these guys (and knows them).

I agree it’s easier to say things from the chair, but Stacey was a head coach and succesful at that.

Still I don’t want Vinny fired. Pax has until FEB 18Th or whatever to right this ship, then Vinny’s moving to the GM spot and Pax is the coach for the rest of the year if nothing happens. You can’t fire someone who’s not dealt a fair hand……this early however tempting.

by majoyenrac on Jan 13, 2009 11:15 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Vinny hasn't been dealt a fair hand, but he has failed to do anything with the little he has

The only reason Vinny has any chance of keeping his job for the start of next season is the early season brilliance of Rose. Now that Rose has cooled off and the schedule’s eased up and the wins still aren’t coming, it’s easy to see that Vinny would be a problem no matter what state the roster was in. I wouldn’t solely blame Vinny for this travesty of a season. Still, he has been enough of a disaster to not want him around when/if the roster issues are fixed. Seriously, even if the roster were fixed, would Vinny be able to get out of his way enough that we’d be able to tell the difference?

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by snley on Jan 13, 2009 11:30 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

We'll see

If Pax makes no trade, Vinny can’t be fired. if Pax makes a trade and 2 months later we’re as bad as today, Vinny’s a goner.

This team is tougher to coach than last year’s mess given the addition of even 1 more solid guard to a crowded guard group, the injuries, and the want to play the youngs but the desire to win and play a more established Drew.

He’s not been dealt a fair shake at all, fans are too critical. No coach would succeed with this bunch (well maybe D’Antoni would do better given the amt of guards we have) but the roster’s a mess first and foremost.

by majoyenrac on Jan 13, 2009 11:41 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Few coaches may have been capable of succeeding with this group

But how many coaches would have looked so incompetent in their failures with this group?

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by snley on Jan 13, 2009 11:47 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Even Skiles

Who did a fine job with the Bulls started of with another misfitted (though less talented) crew and did poorly…..and Skiles tends to turn teams around quickly.

I don’t think nearly as many coaches as you think will turn this ship quickly with a rookie PG, all the injuries and the lack of the necessary trade that’s 8 months behind the curve.

by majoyenrac on Jan 13, 2009 12:09 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Are you referring to the job Skiles is doing with the Bucks?

A team that he’s taken from dead last in defense to seventh despite playing against one of the most difficult schedules in the league? A team that’s only 2 games below .500, again, despite playing against one of the most difficult schedules in the league. A team that’s 13th in Hollinger’s rankings. We should be so lucky that VDN could do half the job Skiles is currently doing in Milwaukee. If you’re referring to Skiles first season with the Bulls, it’s not a fair comparison. That roster was far less talented than this one and Skiles did not have a training camp.

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by snley on Jan 13, 2009 12:18 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No

I was referring to what Skiles did with our team when he FIRST came on as head coach. It was his second full season that he implemented his changes.

Bucks aren’t a complete mess of misfitted talents like the Bulls. They still had a core and added to it a solid SF.

They have an upper tier SG, an improving C who’s upper tier already because the Centers of today aren’t like they were 10 years ago, but they have solid C who can play….and a middle to above avg SF in RJ. Add to that the role playing PG (Ridnour/Sessions) and the only gap is at the 4, where they have a very talented offensive young big in Charlie V. And some nice bench role players……they weren’t coached well, but had 3 essential positions locked, all of whom play vital and differing roles.

Compare that to us:
We have an improving but still in the middle to above avg PG in Rose
An above average SG
An avg to above avg SF who’s been hurt significantly and who’s playing like a bottom feeding SG
We have an above Avg to avg offensive 4 who’s asked to play the 5 and who is well below avg at D…..
We have no starting C’s at all.
We have another 4 who should be getting time because of hte upside, but who is drastically inconsistent and given the fan’s ire, the coach doesn’t want to risk losing more (horrible issue).

And we have at least 3 other guards who could and would start on the vast majority of teams: Hughes, Hinrich, Sefalosha.

Our only real role player is Nocioni on this team, because Gooden is playing along guys who aren’t starters (though Tyrus on a really bad club would be playing more given the upside—and I think we should quantify ourselves as a really bad club for his development even if we’ll likely finish between 16-22 when it’s all said and done barring a trade)….

Gooden should be a role player, but because the 4’s and 5’s are so inconsistent (Tyrus), not ready and too weak (Noah) or should be in Europe (Gray), Gooden thinks he’s an all star on the court and is shocked he’s not getting that recommendation, even if he doesn’t focus on D. If he only focused a bit on D consistently he could be really good, but the jury’s out after his what 7th year in the league, that’s why he’s been traded. I’d take Charlie V over Gooden any day, because while Charlie ain’t a great defender, he can be decent on some games, and while he’s not an all league offensive talents, there are games where he is ridiculous on offense (vs just decent).

No I was commenting on the first yr Skiles as a Bulls coach, not his Bucks regime. He’s doing quite well now. We’ll see if 4-5 yrs if he burns out this club as bad as he did ours. He still has the tendency to favor the crap that play hard vs the good who need development, and we’ll see if he can keep this up as this team matures….

by majoyenrac on Jan 13, 2009 12:29 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This roster is a mess, again, I get that

But Vinny only exacerbates the problems. The team sucks at rebounding, yet he continues to play Noc at the 4 and go w/ 3 guard lineups. The interior D is woeful, yet he continues to jerk around the minutes of Noah and Thomas even after both have appeared to learned the lessons from their early season struggles. Deng, one of the few apparent long term fixtures, has been unable to fit into this system, yet he still sends him to the corner to take a 3 he won’t shoot or sets him up for an isolation play he’s ill-equipped to execute. I had hopes for a 45 win season out of this roster and I still don’t think, given a good coach, that was too high. This is a flawed team, but not so flawed that it should have ever even gone to OT in a home game versus the Thunder.

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by snley on Jan 13, 2009 1:06 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

agreed

can we not devolve into sharing some sort of blame pie? Vinny sucks AND the roster sucks. Whatever hand he was dealt gives little leeway for Vinny, he’s drastically underperforming. Even when they were .500 they looked like crap most of the time.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 13, 2009 1:09 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

When I saw Rose at the beginning of the year

1. I had hopes he’d be learning how to play the NBA game. You know, real offenses. Real defenses. Instead he’s learning to play 2 on 5 labeled as an NBA system.
2. When I saw Rose at the beginning of the year, he was vocal on court. He was pointing out when other players made mistakes or bad plays, and figuring out what to do and when to take over. Now he’s gone silent and I can’t keep from thinking someone told him he needs to shut up because he’s only a rookie. Or perhaps he simply retreated on his own. I don’t know if that was VDN or someone else, but the fact that it happened on VDN’s watch and wasn’t set straight is a criminal indictment of him in my book.

Rose is the franchise, and having him “taught” by an incompetent, on a chaotic, messed up team, is nothing short of ridiculous.

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by Sports2 on Jan 13, 2009 12:19 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

good points

all around

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by tyrus4prez on Jan 13, 2009 12:23 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

#1 hurts

I cannot tell in the past two games of them running a single thing. Paxson thinks they can just get better by running the Norman Dale 5-passes before shooting offense. Even when they do pass, the players don’t move and it just swings around the perimeter. Oh, we bizarrely had Thabo posting up on the baseline a couple times.

Vinny claimed they’re a transition and high screen/roll team. Well they don’t play their best defenders to start transition opportunities, nor have players who can even set screens.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 13, 2009 12:42 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Just ask

Why don’t you ask Duane Casey when he was hired to coach a garbage T-wolves team and didn’t make it to the All-Star break

by LOTP on Jan 13, 2009 4:20 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Oh man

I’m not sure about that. It’s easy to sit in a chair and say this is how that should have been done and actually doing it in a game situation. I guess at this point it couldn’t hurt. I don’t know if Pax will fire another coach during the season. To me that would give potential coaching candidates second thoughts of wanting to coach here.

by sue369 on Jan 13, 2009 10:38 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Boylan and VDN

are the same! Two guys who are in way over there head! They have no clue how to run a team of NBA pro’s and neither has any backbone……

by Bulls4Ever on Jan 13, 2009 11:47 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I can't believe he wants Paxson around

to search for a coach. That was the longest coaching search of my freaking life. He comes up with VDN. Paxson shouldn’t be the GM in more!

Trade someone please!

by ImmanuelKant on Jan 12, 2009 11:23 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Point of no return?

Can’t help a little sympathy with VDN as his ship takes on water faster than the pumps can handle. I thought he would last longer than this though. Maybe the turning point was pre game snack gate. In any event, maybe hypothetically there’s some never coached a game at any level guy who could have done this year’s coaching challenge, but in reality, no way.

And whoever made this VDN hiring decision really should have known better. After last year, clearly this was a team that couldn’t handle more coaching ineptitude. Clearly there were, and are, a number of project players with high draft pick investments that need quality development, which CAN’T happen at the same time as VDN process. This is on brainrust… and it’s really going to take some time and magic tricks to recover from this mess.

by Cholla on Jan 12, 2009 11:25 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

"Maybe the turning point was pre game snack gate"

it’s certainly possible

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 12, 2009 11:30 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Exactly

I can’t help but sympathize with Vinny either. This team is a mess, a huge rotten mess of mis mashed players. Vinny might not have the better record so far compared to he who must never be named, but this team has been competing a lot better under Vinny and we’ve had MORE injuries……and Hughes is even more a malcontent.

I know we added in Rose, and that’s a plus for VDN, but we’ve also sig lost Deng, and Kirk 2 real captains and lost 8 or so games from Gooden—an essential piece.

Plus add in that Noah was less motivated as a soph than he was as an eager rook, and voila we’re awful.

This team needed a trade in June…..it’s ridiculous. 5 guards all starter quality with right now only 1 starter quality big and that big is not all league by any stretch….

Plus our SF’s been hurt pretty much half hte year and in 10 of the other 25 games he did play he looked completely lost playing with the new PG.

We also lost our 2 PG’s, but I refuse to acknowledge one of them….Kirk is a bit of a stabilizing force, and while he’s no Rose, he knew his players better than the rook.

No the Vinny ire’s a bit much. These guys are playing harder, we just don’t have the big talents….and too many guards….it’s a nightmare. Guards have a tendency to jack up shots/be SG’s, it’s what they do, you can’t survive with 5 of them….without any bigs who are even teetering at potential all star in the near future (I still am high on Tyrus who looked damn good on Friday, but has oddly disappeared again in a reduced role both on the court and off (on the court he’s not getting the ball, and he’s playing less minutes).

BLAME PAXSON, an idol of mine as a kid, don’t blame Vinny yet. Jimmy B also had the benefit of knowing this team for the entire Skiles tenure. Vinny met these guys last summer and is only now seeing their mid season winter effort freeze…..and given the fact that we added 1 more guard to the gluttony (And a damn good one at that) it’s been a million times tougher this year for Vinny than it was for he who should never sniff a head coaching job in any capacity again.

by majoyenrac on Jan 13, 2009 10:17 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Vinny has to do something

If he’s forced to play the whole roster we’ll never go anywhere.

This cannot be good for the Chairman. If season ticket holders were excited about Rose and re-upped they might be looking at this roster and thinking this is embarrassing for my clients, but there’s no way I’m taking my family to a game.

In a bad economy, all the good capital is looking for a safe and sound investment. That’s not tickets for sports, but it could pretty close.

12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.

by NBA Observer on Jan 13, 2009 10:52 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

VDN

gets no sympathy from me, he was a crappy player and now he’s a crappy coach. Go figure…

by Bulls4Ever on Jan 13, 2009 11:48 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Noc used to play better

But he doesn’t work with gooden!

why would you keep Thabo out of the 3 spot when he was playing good D for so long?

anyone else notice how after he was pulled that the blazers took control?

and wouldn’t Collins have done a better job with this young group?

I don’t believe that Noah and Tyrus work well together yet. just too young, but put another defensive big next to tyrus and watch him excel for christ’s sake!

by gman2849 on Jan 12, 2009 11:25 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Exactlyu

That was puzzling.

I don’t think Noah and Thomas work well yet, but I want to see Tyrus be more a part of this team. He can do things nobody on our team can, and he’s getting more consistent when given the time….

He played 20 some minutes yesterday but they made no effort to bring him into the offense (he was iced out) and it’s a shame because that jump shot is getting better, but more a shame because the dribble drive move when he picks the times is unguardable given his size, athleticism and speed, and the dumps to the basket could have been there much of the time last night, with the Blazers focusing on Rose and Gooden…..

by majoyenrac on Jan 13, 2009 10:19 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

"It's getting so bad

I’m not even sure Brad Miller can save them" really made me laugh!

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by marionette on Jan 12, 2009 11:36 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The ship be(en) sinkin

It’s a fajita for VDN. The season is a wrap, even though the Bulls may ultimately make the playoffs in an open conference. The team is a joke, and that’s me talking as an objective basketball fan and not a frustrated Bulls fan. Everything from the talent mix to the coaching is awful. This is how little I care about my team right now: I watched The Bachelor instead of the Bulls tonight. The fu*king Bachelor.

by Stay Chisel on Jan 12, 2009 11:40 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

HA!

" I've looked at these numbers and decided the #1 problem

is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger

by Dionysus2.0 on Jan 13, 2009 8:28 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I’m powerless to turn off the TV. Maybe I have an affinity for trainwrecks, as my shows of choice are generally the Bulls and reality shows.

by Stay Chisel on Jan 13, 2009 10:21 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i blame larry hughes

I vote for Thomas to play, play more and play regularly.-Sam Smith

by tyrus4prez on Jan 12, 2009 11:42 PM CST reply reply actions actions   1 recs

I blame Larry Flynt.

I have it on good authority that the Bulls players have been reading old copies of Hustler instead of their playbooks during walk-thrus. Although I can’t see why they can’t do both, since the playbook has no pictures or diagrams and is only 3 pages long on 3X5 index cards.

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by Tyrusmancrush on Jan 13, 2009 12:03 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Warning: Fan Superstition ahead

at about 8:30 with about 3 minutes left in the second quarter i left the game to go to the gym and play basketball (my friends came from quite a distance in this weather so the least i could do was abandon the game to meet them at the gym on time since i was their ticket into the gym) to find out that we lost (and we were doing so well before i left) im gonna take this loss on myself. If i had stayed the rest of the game, maybe they wouldve won? thats my thinking, im missing thursdays game too…..cuz of work…apologies if we lose that one too..

On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!

by piccolomair on Jan 13, 2009 12:15 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

P.S.

Did hinrich do nothing else the entire game? they flashed the score at the gym and there was no mention of his name…..

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by piccolomair on Jan 13, 2009 12:16 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He played too much

Coming back after so long. It was nice to see him out there though as his D looked sharp.

He had one AWFUL turnover that was Gordon-esque (Dribbling off his foot), but I was glad to see him out there. Still he shouldn’t have played more than 10-12 minutes max to get his feet wet.

by majoyenrac on Jan 13, 2009 10:21 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Kirk and Deng

played way to much for the first game back. Sefo shouldve played alot more..

by Bulls4Ever on Jan 13, 2009 11:50 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yeah

i was also questioning the absence of sefolosha towards the end of the game. i know he had been out with the flu on saturday, so it’s possible maybe he was still feeling some after effects and needed to sit.

by Jaina on Jan 13, 2009 12:11 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He was on fire in the 1st quarter

He led the team in scoring for the quarter.

Come on team. T – R – A – N – S – I – T – I – O -N? What’s that spell? Victory!

12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.

by NBA Observer on Jan 13, 2009 12:32 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yea he got more minutes than i thought he would

but those minutes kept larry out the game so i am fine with it. and his defense looked real strong also. it was good to see someone actualy running at wide open shooters and also passing on the fast breaks.

Chicago... Where giving up career nights happens

by Yibs on Jan 13, 2009 10:31 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If i had stayed the rest of the game, maybe they wouldve won? thats my thinking, im missing thursdays game too…..cuz of work…apologies if we lose that one too..

You should let Vinny know ASAP, he’s actively searching for excuses for Thursday’s blowout on national tv. If all else fails I’m sure that you not watching will work just fine.

by Juiceboxjerry on Jan 13, 2009 12:27 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

:)

lol

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by piccolomair on Jan 13, 2009 12:28 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

well yes Kirk is just coming back from injury, but both him and Rose were smoke somewhat by Blake

Actually, I’m very impressed with Steve Blake’s game. He plays basketball the right way, and as I’ve always said.. I’d take Outlaw over a healthy Deng and his salary any day.

man up!

by exult463 on Jan 13, 2009 10:12 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Steve Blake

Is one of those guys who Kills the Bulls but doesn’t do enough against other teams.

He looked really good again against us, but I’ve seen him look less good against others….

FOr some reason he matches up well against Rose, which is odd given that he doesn’t seem as quick and isn’t known as a fantastic playmaker….

by majoyenrac on Jan 13, 2009 10:22 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yea he was really taking it at rose

there was play when he took it all the way to cup, gave rose a half spin move, and reverse layed it up. Rose tried to take it back at him and failed. I think its more veteran savy than anything. I did notice how both pgs for portland had this habit of really pushing the ball, i think its because the bulls guards were supposed to full court press them, i thought it was ill strategy. Though some guards you want to press the whole time, i think especially in the second half they shouldve met at half court rather than on the other side of the court.

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by piccolomair on Jan 13, 2009 11:36 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think it's more interior shot blocking

Blazers had it whenever Blake was guarding Rose.

Bulls. Where’s Tyrus? Carving soap on the bench.

12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.

by NBA Observer on Jan 13, 2009 11:41 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He actually is pretty decent

I don’t see any difference in Steve Blake and Kirk Hinrich, and Blake has been better for the past year.

Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
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by Ozzie Montana on Jan 13, 2009 11:58 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

thats why

I don’t completely agree with Portland being interested in him. If you’re Portland, is Kirk that much of an upgrade when a small forward could be the missing link… (Noc)?

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by tyrus4prez on Jan 13, 2009 8:46 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

you underestimate how bad Blake is defensively

….really bad. Hinrich would be a huge upgrade on the defensive end.

by bleedingblackandred on Jan 14, 2009 1:14 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Blake ain't THAT bad

Bottom line, we need better perimeter defense, but Blake isn’t Sergio or Outlaw bad.

He’s just not athletic enough.

Morty

by Mortimer on Jan 14, 2009 2:12 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Every team

Every team matches up well against the Bulls, the Bulls have given up a lot of big nights to marginal players

by LOTP on Jan 13, 2009 4:29 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

example

Nick Collison, Saturday 20pts 9rebs

by LOTP on Jan 13, 2009 4:30 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

“We let teams back in a lot,” Deng said. “But at least having everyone back is a good thing. We have to keep playing together. Obviously, we’re not playing well right now. But it’s a long season. We have to stay positive.”- Deng

He said the same stuff last year. It’s a long season?

I love a guy with killer instinct.

Trade someone please!

by ImmanuelKant on Jan 13, 2009 12:15 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Luol is dead right. It is a long season.............

for the fans.

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by Tyrusmancrush on Jan 13, 2009 12:20 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Same ol crap

Del Negro says the same thing every game, Deng does, Gordon does…Especially Gordon. Game after game he repeats…“Oh, we just have to go out there and play hard”….“We didn’t play hard”. And then game after game he never plays hard.

by illini23 on Jan 13, 2009 12:22 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Gordon never plays hard? What?

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by Illini15 on Jan 13, 2009 12:27 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well what's Gordon supposed to say?

“We just need to go out and show more effort next game”

or

“I don’t care. I’m taking that 5 year contract in Miami for a little less, getting that opt out year. Gonna play in a real offense with Dwyane Wade and Michael Beasley, with a real coach, and then make my second contract that massive one.”

Which do you prefer?

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by Andrew7 on Jan 13, 2009 12:37 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What are you talking about

Gordon doesn’t take games off….

That’s a ridiculous comment. He might have an off game, but he works hard out there.

by majoyenrac on Jan 13, 2009 10:23 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

he works very hard...

…not so sure whether he is self-aware and sees his glaring deficiencies in ball-handling etc

by bullsfaninbigapple on Jan 13, 2009 10:33 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

From what i watched

He seemed like the worst in the bunch, i dont know how the rest of the game went, but up until the last 2 minutes of the game this is how i felt the players did

Gordon: Looked like he was trying to hard to score, but he did show a bit of an effort to pass the ball, although you could see how he contemplated doing his own things when he had the ball in his hand. Attacked the rim but got nothing to go his way. He did an alright job on roy, but that second foul…he literally hugged roy and then questioned the call. He didnt play most of that first half that i saw, i really thought he shouldve been out at the start of the second quarter.

Rose: He looked good and into the game, i just wish a few times he looked for his own shot. Some of the drive and kicks he made, i wish he wouldve just finished the drive. When he finally did try to drive he got nothing….i guess its one of those things you have to learn through experience (and better players)

Thabo: he was my boy in the first quarter. I dont know much about batum, but can he guard anyone. Thabo kept losing him and finding easy shots, and his defense wasnt bad either. Less jumpers, more point blank shots…and he finished that nice assist by kirk (dunk thabo!) i liked his game from what i saw, and thought he was part of the best lineup on the court.

Hughes: nuff said

Gooden: I liked how he played. Especially in the first quarter, some kik ass passes to sef, and hitting those 18 footers were nice. I think his defense on oden was pretty decent. I liked him on the court better than noah or gray.

Noch: At one point there was a bunch of defensive energy, and i felt noch was part of it, it was at the end of the first. I liked noch at that point, but didnt see much of him again.

Noah: He really does seem lost…that is all

Tyrus: i havent seen him play for a month, and he looks changed, MAN THAT BLOCK IN THE FIRST QUARTER ON ODEN WAS CLEAN!!! he has this serious demeanor now, i like it. Screw stats, he did a great job using his athleticism and jumpiness to alter shots and passes (like the inbound pass by blake that became a to)

Gray: He is…big and slow

Deng: he got rejected by the rim twice at point blank……he couldnt stop a ball from going out of bounds (he was the only one after it, and was like two feet away from it)….he….not good atm

Hinrich: Everything i expect from him today i saw. His defense was top notch, he made heady plays and they seemed to move the ball alot more when he was on the floor. He made a few nice assists, i just wish his shot was better but since its taped up…. He needs to be able to shoot like blake and then hed be really effective. Man i miss watching him play defense. And i liked how he didnt play point when rose was on the court, thats right recognise who the best pg on the team is, and concede.

Best lineup: D. Rose/K. Hinrich/ T. Sefolosha/ Tyrus Thomas/ d. Gooden.

On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!

by piccolomair on Jan 13, 2009 12:28 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   1 recs

Soft with his words too

If I fling enough four letter words at Luol Deng will it make him jump higher when attacking the rim?

12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.

by NBA Observer on Jan 13, 2009 9:21 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

there was already a huge discussion in it on the Noc trade post by Matt on the front page

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by Illini15 on Jan 13, 2009 12:28 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Pax asked if it could be removed because he didn't want to get our hopes up

thinking he could actuallu pull off a trade that would help this mush heap.

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by Tyrusmancrush on Jan 13, 2009 12:25 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The two VDN strategies that piss me off

1) Playing the full roster every game. Granted, we’ve had injuries, but we have 11 guys averaging over 15 minutes per game right now. For no apparent purpose.

2) The amount of shots Gooden and Hughes take. Two of the most inefficient scorers in the NBA, and they combine to average 22.0 shots per game.

The rotation should be Rose, Gordon, Hinrich, Thabo, Deng, Tyrus, Noah, Gray. Throw Simmons in ahead of Gooden, maybe even ahead of Gray – why wouldn’t you? Gordon should be scoring 25 a game, Rose 20. Get Tyrus on the boards for some cheapies. Get some foundation for this team instead of the crap inconsistent minutes we have now. It’s not hard. I’m rambling.

by YaoPau on Jan 13, 2009 12:28 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What about the

vaunted 3 gaurd strategy? No one seems to be talking about that. its the most idiodic thing out there. Not to mention Gooden taking 20 shots.

by Bulls4Ever on Jan 13, 2009 11:55 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

killed 'em in the 2nd quarter

Rose/Gordon/Hughes and Rose/Hinrich/Hughes

Vinny also busted out Hinrich/Rose/Gordon in the 4th, but the game was over anyway.

http://popcornmachine.net/cgi-bin/gameflow.cgi?date=20090112&game=PORCHI

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 13, 2009 12:45 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What?

I believe you can put out a fire with an M16 fully automatic rifle. You just shoot the fire out.

12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.

by NBA Observer on Jan 13, 2009 1:22 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

We need more bullets!

(:P)

"You remember the first time you picked up a basketball video game and you had no idea how to run plays, so you just gave the ball to your shooter and you ran around the court aimlessly until a defender was far enough away and then you jacked up a shot? THAT IS LARRY HUGHES!"
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by Prevenge on Jan 13, 2009 7:09 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hmmm...

I think I’m about done with this team for the year. At least last year there was the whole “new coach” thing to look forward to… and the draft pick. This year. Meh?

Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!

by tyger1147 on Jan 13, 2009 8:32 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ben Gordon will be a free agent, too.

Blog a Bull hilarity will certainly ensue.

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is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger

by Dionysus2.0 on Jan 13, 2009 8:34 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'll be more inclined to enjoy how people will say how easy it will be to replace his production

As the Bulls sign Ricky Davis.

Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
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by Ozzie Montana on Jan 13, 2009 12:00 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

or JJ Reddick

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Or I can share a hearty laugh

As people scratch their heads in confusion when the new 6’7 shooting guard does not defend any better than Gordon. Wait, Joe Johnson scored 40 on us? THIS WASN’T SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN YARRR!

Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
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by Ozzie Montana on Jan 13, 2009 2:54 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

"However it still led to some fun Vinny-ness. The Bulls are beyond bad and approaching fun-bad at this point"

sentence above sums up much and is an indictment against the rookie coach whom I can’t be a critic of until his second year if without significant improvement.

Also the coach (VDN) to player chemistry, relationship, etc is really getting worst (imho) from the appearance. Respect loss and tension mounting, I’m afraid will lead to no good thing. I believe, something has to be done. Yet, Paxson can’t keep firing coaches!

Actually winning solves a lot of problems, but that’s something this team is unable, No! Correction! This team is unmotivated to do on a fairly consistent basis?

man up!

by exult463 on Jan 13, 2009 8:52 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Looking at the Skiles firing/quitting/resigning/notwithusanymoretruthwillneverknow experience

It looks like a move to protect Pax.

“I know you hired me. I know you extended me. But this roster you gave me is killing either me, you or both of us.”

12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.

by NBA Observer on Jan 13, 2009 9:15 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

BG will take less money to get out of Chicago in the off season. Don't be suprised if the Blazers pick him up and he plays in the backcourt with Roy. The Jazz, Heat, Knicks, Thunder, (Cavs were before they got Mo Williams), He would be a good addition to

They need a new GM. One with balls to make bold moves and bring in new life around here. I feel bad for Rose. I hope BG leaves to find a better team who will love his game and what he brings to the table. Fire Paxson, get a new experience coach and clean house.

by Beeman18 on Jan 13, 2009 8:56 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Our team at this point

We are bad. Yes, fun-bad, but only due to the fact that we seem to have every excuse of some legitimacy to make up for being fun-bad.

Problem; Excuse

There are rows of empty seats; There’s a blizzard warning in effect.
The rotations suck; We have injuries and 12 players when healthy.
Our frontcourt can’t rebound; Vinny’s rotations are off.
We have too many players that won’t shut the hell up and too few players that won’t speak up; Paxonian theory says you’ll always have too many players when one of the few are steering your ship.
You can’t stop Travis Outlaw; We stopped Brandon Roy.
You can’t make layups; We can make free throws.
I give up; You’ll be back.

The Illini look good. Maybe I’ll watch them instead. Until there’s a trade a carnival of trades.

12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.

by NBA Observer on Jan 13, 2009 9:13 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

this statement speaks volumes

"We have too many players that won’t shut the hell up and too few players that won’t speak up; Paxonian "

I believe the management of this organization has created extreme polarization in the windy
snow filled city. food bans, head bans, fines, respect bans, speaking bans, non speaking bans, etc. Somehow, it’s strongly believe that
Respect is conferred by position without experience or credentials. Partly true, but in reality not given much support or value.

From Krause to Paxson we have complete reverse pendulum from loose rowdies to anti jail Blazer the Bulls to hush hush choir boys. I truly understand there must be order, but with bemusement it’s impossible to sit idle and not show frustration. Actually even in Larry Hughes case, he’s not as good as he believes he is, yet this is a bad team and bad chemistry and its not fun anymore.

I believe Paxson is really out of touch with reality and trying to mold something not quite resembling a competitive fun basketball team. Now he wants to quiet everything and everybody because they are being paid by the Bulls organization. Fortunately we aren’t getting paid by the Bulls organization and many here are agitated by the progress on the Bulls as fans. If it’s not fun for the players, its also not fun for the fans.

The problem is, from his (Paxson) actions even recently, this image is still painted in his head. Some people never change, and I believe he’s one that fits this mold. Jerry Reinsdorf is a problem, but he really can be managed with lots of diplomacy combined with a basketball visionary. Both traits lacking from the current GM.

Polarization: A concentration, as of groups, forces, or interests, about two conflicting or contrasting positions.

man up!

by exult463 on Jan 13, 2009 9:56 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I dusted off a book from my shelf to help with my Bulls affliction

“How Democracies Perish” by Jean-Francios Revel.

Since I think we had something good that had the potential to get a lot better with Rose, I am now trying to figure out what’s killed good Democracies in the past and Revel thinks for the most part it is the lack of effort from within the Democracy when external threats constantly attack it.

Take the Chairman as our King. Just dissolve the current parliament(Paxson). The fans have no confidence in the Paxonian regime to get anything done. The ministers are either inept or have their hands tied behind their back with objectives that cannot be reached.

12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.

by NBA Observer on Jan 13, 2009 11:04 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

seems analogous enough for me ..

therefore I believe a trade, baring blockbuster, will only return marginal change which will eventual return back to Paxonian business as usual.

Derrick Rose brought initial excitement, now the weight of Paxonian can’t be overcome by him alone. We rid ourselves of Wallace, then Drew Gooden helps win a few games, but now the same Paxsonism influence returns with its perceived benefits lacking real results. (same can be said of Tyson, Skiles, Boylan, next VDN).

man up!

by exult463 on Jan 13, 2009 11:50 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This team is a joke

At least the Blackhawks are fun to watch (even when they lose)….

by 815Sox on Jan 13, 2009 9:15 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

did they start playing basketball?

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 13, 2009 9:15 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Haha

Nope, but when its the Blackhawks vs the Bulls I’ve been choosing the Blackhawks this year.. I feel bad for people who don’t like hockey

by 815Sox on Jan 13, 2009 9:17 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

must be a life filled with guilt

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 13, 2009 10:10 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think

Kane and BG are the same height? Would be a real shoot out.

by Bulls4Ever on Jan 13, 2009 11:59 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

By the way, we're stuck with Nocioni

It’s going to be impossible to trade him after giving up a career night to Travis Outlaw.

That contract is our Bernie Madoff investment. The best bet of return is auctioning his personal wares.

First item up for bids; His grit. I’ll start the bidding at 5 shekels.

12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.

by NBA Observer on Jan 13, 2009 9:23 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'd trade Noc

for a used popsicle stick right about now…they both play about the same amount of D

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by NormVanBeer on Jan 13, 2009 9:30 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

But Noc

is our GOTO PF in crunch time, what would VDN do w/o his broke ass..

by Bulls4Ever on Jan 13, 2009 12:00 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

huh?

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 13, 2009 12:46 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Whats a matter

Matt you confused? I said Andres Nocioni is our go to power forward in the 4th period. What would Vinny Del Negro do with out him?

Ok great!

by Bulls4Ever on Jan 13, 2009 4:17 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

somethings the matter

I’m very confused.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 13, 2009 4:22 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Its time

Its time to trade Noch aka “the Rec league hack, and The Rec League gun”, this guy has to go while he still has some value around the league.

by LOTP on Jan 13, 2009 3:48 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Bill Simmons

For Bulls GM. YES WE CAN!

by KmartLUC on Jan 13, 2009 9:47 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

he wouldn't accept the pay cut

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 13, 2009 10:11 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't want a dumbass running my team

Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
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by Ozzie Montana on Jan 13, 2009 12:01 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i saw the game ont he blazers broadcast

and they really liked kirk. they talked about him game a lot. maybe there can be a trade there afterall?

Chicago... Where giving up career nights happens

by Yibs on Jan 13, 2009 10:34 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If yesterday was project showcase

Then i feel it was a success. I think alot of gm’s have to be eyeing kirk for his performance. Teams like the blazers who already have enough options to score and just want to add a guard who is unselfish and defensive minded. Paxson should be pleased with at least that much.

On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!

by piccolomair on Jan 13, 2009 11:44 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

But

your implying the Bulls have a plan or some sort?

by Bulls4Ever on Jan 13, 2009 12:01 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah cause

hes a slightly more athletic Blake…

by Bulls4Ever on Jan 13, 2009 12:00 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

blake is a way better shooter

i wish kirk could hit those open shots like blake….with kirk i was kind of surprised when the shots went in (more surprised when he actually took one) with blake i was surprised when he missed.

On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!

by piccolomair on Jan 13, 2009 12:54 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

career-wise they're pretty similar

but Blake’s 3pt shooting has shot up the past two seasons.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 13, 2009 1:03 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

McMillan

See Blake’s 05-06 numbers. That was the tank season as well.

12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.

by NBA Observer on Jan 13, 2009 1:25 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Tank season?

No…they sucked…bad

"When I have the ball, I experiment." #5

by Sabonis4Ever on Jan 13, 2009 1:49 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah, like last season for our team.

"You remember the first time you picked up a basketball video game and you had no idea how to run plays, so you just gave the ball to your shooter and you ran around the court aimlessly until a defender was far enough away and then you jacked up a shot? THAT IS LARRY HUGHES!"
-Anonymous fan letter, heylarryhughespleasestoptakingsomanybadshots.com

by Prevenge on Jan 13, 2009 7:11 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Vinny quote
“It’s not going to be easy,” Del Negro said. “But the guys who will play hard and give us the best chance will be out there, as well as trying to develop the younger guys. I’d rather have that problem than the one I’ve been having.”

Hey Vinny. Believe it or not these are the same players.

Tribune: Bulls Lost a Full Strength Flop

12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.

by NBA Observer on Jan 13, 2009 1:33 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This statement is technically true
Indeed, the Bulls failed to sustain their early energy as Tyrus Thomas attempted no field goals in 24 minutes

Tyrus was hacked on both of his FG attempts.

12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.

by NBA Observer on Jan 13, 2009 1:35 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

he could've gotten Oden out of the game

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 13, 2009 1:41 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Good note

When the Blazers were up 14 in the 4th I was begging for Thomas, Noah, and Thabo to come in and just attack the the rim with Rose and Gordon. McMillan was stretching his guys because they were productive, but they were already getting winded and showing it.

They had 17 fouls as a team through 3 quarters. They had 10 fouls in the 4th.

12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.

by NBA Observer on Jan 13, 2009 1:46 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hey Vinny

Vinny, did you notice the great play of Thabo, can you play him a little more please, lets get a fire Vinny petition going, I don’t believe in this guy, he has no clue, and Dale Bickerstaff isn’t helping that much

by LOTP on Jan 13, 2009 3:41 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

In looking at the gameflow on Popcorn Machine.

I think we can blame this loss on Larry Hughes…the Bulls gave up the lead during his only run on the floor…yep, he sucks that much.

" I've looked at these numbers and decided the #1 problem

is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger

by Dionysus2.0 on Jan 13, 2009 1:45 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Include Nocioni

Because when you do that final 2 minutes 10 seconds becomes a -9 five man unit.

12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.

by NBA Observer on Jan 13, 2009 1:48 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

it did give up the lead

not only because of Hughes but the entire lineup: Rose/Hinrich/Hughes/Noc/Thomas. -9 in 2:10

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 13, 2009 1:49 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The best part of last nights game

Was the bird flying on the court.

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by Andrew7 on Jan 13, 2009 1:49 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

At least it got the crowd involved.

The sections around me were dead all night…but in fairness, it was only about half full.

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is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger

by Dionysus2.0 on Jan 13, 2009 2:02 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Joakim Noah Going into the Game

Seemed to get the crowd involved.

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by Andrew7 on Jan 13, 2009 2:11 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   1 recs

lol.

"You remember the first time you picked up a basketball video game and you had no idea how to run plays, so you just gave the ball to your shooter and you ran around the court aimlessly until a defender was far enough away and then you jacked up a shot? THAT IS LARRY HUGHES!"
-Anonymous fan letter, heylarryhughespleasestoptakingsomanybadshots.com

by Prevenge on Jan 13, 2009 7:45 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Didnt see that

but the best part of the game was definitely the first quarter which included – no Larry, :52 seconds of Noc & Gray, lots of solid play and something called defense? We are capable of playing that way…I think…maybe…nope too many people in this org messing it up….gah.

by reprisal on Jan 13, 2009 2:04 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think the bird flew on the court in the first quarter.

Then the referee ran towards it, and it flew away. Disappointing that it didn’t stand it’s ground and take the charge, but no one that plays in the United Center seems to do that any more.

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by Andrew7 on Jan 13, 2009 2:11 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

LOL

I remember when Bull deffenders took charges on a regular basis.

by LOTP on Jan 13, 2009 3:34 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I noticed

The game started to change when Larry Hughes entered the game

by LOTP on Jan 13, 2009 3:36 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I was at last night's game

As we all know there are plenty of problems on this squad. But one of my bigger concerns besides our “defense” is the attitude and body language of Tyrus Thomas. His attitude out there flat out stinks. He pouts like my 5 year old nephew whenever he isn’t happy. I don’t know where he gets this sense of entitlement from. I was sitting on the rail next the Bulls tunnel and was close enough to see him roll his eyes when VDN was saying something to him. Rolled his eyes and turned his back to VDN while VDN was pointing something out. That kind of insubordination from a mediocre 3rd years player is not cool, a sign of major immaturity and not good for anyone involved with the Bulls. His bad attitude is the reason why I think he gets yanked When he gets taken out, he looks shocked, and then he slumps his shoulders, and you know from that moment on, the game is over for him. Not one other player acts the way Tyrus does when something is not going his way, or the coach is taking him out to try some other combination. Its too bad MJ or Pip arent around anymore to slap the shit out of Tyrus, because he needs a serious wake up call. He is a classic, young, dumb, narcissistic pro athlete who just doesn’t get whats it all about.
I am sure people here will disagree with what I am talking about, but believe me when I say you can see Tyrus’s lousy attitude and body language, and I am sick of it

I DRINK YOUR MILKSHAKE

by CONOR6 on Jan 13, 2009 2:14 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Funk and King talked about this

King described his first quarter production positively and then said the kid had nothing to slump his shoulders about. He was coming out to get a breather.

The attitude is terrible though. Great players come out. maybe Tyrus wanted to stay out there as long as Aldridge. Aldridge logged another minute after Tyrus was taken out.

12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.

by NBA Observer on Jan 13, 2009 2:31 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'd be pouty too

heck I’d skip practice!

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 13, 2009 2:34 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This is disconcerting, and it doesn't benefit the Organization siding strongly with Tyrus or VDN

Young entitlement players, inexperienced coach, disjointed mgmt …. What more can we expect?

This situation didn’t create itself….

man up!

by exult463 on Jan 13, 2009 5:03 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I wonder what came first though

Tyrus could be that way for already not getting enough minutes when making an impact on the game.
(Not to rule out that maybe he is always like that either though but VDN is already losing respect it seems and Hughes himself wasn’t too kind to the coach but use to get minutes)

by Camry on Jan 13, 2009 5:36 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No Direction

Its becoming clear that VDN is a one and done coach, and you hire a coach like VDN when your team has no direction, and the Bulls have no direction, the pieces don’t fit, Pax, you have to make a good trade and shake this roster up!!

by LOTP on Jan 13, 2009 3:32 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The Scary Thing About Del Negro Is

That Michael Beasley is currently playing a much higher level of basketball than Derrick Rose. Spolestra put Beasley on a tight leash, and pulled him from games when he made mistakes. Now that Beasley’s role has been incrased in January, his January numbers are looking really good. Rose on the other hand, is getting worse as the season goes on.

We need to get rid of Vinny asap, before he does any more damage to Rose’s development.

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by Andrew7 on Jan 13, 2009 3:41 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Rose'll be fine

Trust me either way he’ll be fine.

by majoyenrac on Jan 13, 2009 3:50 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't want Rose to be fine

I want him to be a superstar. As talented as he is, he’s still going to need good coaching to help get him there. Let’s hope he follows Tyrus and Loul down to IMG this summer.

We have every right to dream heroic dreams. Those who say that we're in a time when there are no heroes, they just don't know where to look.
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by snley on Jan 13, 2009 4:02 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think the implication is that...

Fine for Rose=Achieving his potential. So, yeah, superstar.

Anything less than that is not fine.

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by kidronmusic on Jan 13, 2009 4:04 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Exactly

Rose is a motivated guy, he’ll be great regardless of who coaches him. He’s just hitting a rookie wall.

I want to see him pull a “I hurt my finger” Dengian injury and sit for 2 weeks to get a rest….just ebcause when he’s going we’re a fun team.

by majoyenrac on Jan 13, 2009 4:06 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Rose's development is being delayed until he actually gets a chance to run a real NBA offense

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by snley on Jan 13, 2009 4:10 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   1 recs

That's true

but I’m still not worried.

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by MPG on Jan 13, 2009 4:13 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I am. Well, worried that I'll have to find a new team to root for.

Paxson and Reinsdorf hired Del Negro. I’m not giving them the benefit of the doubt of finding a good one yet.

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by tyger1147 on Jan 13, 2009 4:33 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That's true.

I need to amend my statement to: I’m not worried granting that we’ll get a highly respected, qualified, and experienced coach next season.

Great, I’m worried now.

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by MPG on Jan 13, 2009 7:26 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ha!

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by tyger1147 on Jan 14, 2009 8:06 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Or until he

Has real NBA post threats on O and D…more likeit.

It’s hard to run an NBA offense when you can’t count on any post guys.

We don’t have Rasheed Wallace to make up for Ben Wallace’s D only play and unfortunately we drafted 2 defensive first PF/C’s who are a long ways away from being Ben Wallace esque defensively and aern’t consistent.

We have 1 guy who can score 14-18 pts a game at the PF spot, but he gets his points more consistently like a guard, so really we have 5 guards (6 if you count Hunter, but with Kirk back, we’re back at 5). 2 SF’s, 2.5 if you count Thabo with his versatility. and 1 PF who can consistently play, but he’s more a guard on O than a real PF.

No back to the basket scorers….and while I like what I see at times from Tyrus, guys on here who like the last game against OKC rewatch and notice him playing out of position way too much…..

by majoyenrac on Jan 13, 2009 4:34 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

A good coach can make Gooden post-up more.

He’s shooting more jump shots this year than ever before in his career. Aaron Gray is a good back-to-the-basket scorer. Not much else, but he is that.

You’re making too many excuses for Del negro now.

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by tyger1147 on Jan 13, 2009 5:50 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I disagree

Gray has the footwork to be a back to the basket player and when not guarded, is I guess you could call it good….but he’s not good in any sense n the NBA level….as he’s just too damn slow. Wish I could give his work ethic to Noah and presumably Tyrus or even Hughes though….
Gooden was traded what 4-5 times for a reason at his ripe age of 27 and with his kind of athleticism and O skills…..don’t blame his game on the coaches.

I don’t think Vinny’s doing a good job with what he has, but I also don’t think he’s been given the leverage to do a lot of things either…..

by majoyenrac on Jan 13, 2009 9:46 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You didn't read what I wrote did you?

Gray is good on offense. Don’t let Matt fool you. Being a post-up on offense is not Gray’s problem. It’s doing anything else on offense and playing defense that’s the problem.

And also… if it’s not Vinny’s poor coaching, why is Gooden taking more jumpshots than ever in his career? What’s your alternative hypothesis?

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by tyger1147 on Jan 14, 2009 8:09 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I read what you wrote

And I’m not taking Matt’s comments for mine, I do think for myself thank you very much.

Gray has nice pure skills for offense, but he’s too damn slow. He should not sniff an NBA court in non garbage time again if you ask me. He has the nice foot work though….I think the reasons guys want to see Gray shows how bad our Post scoring has been.

As for Gooden, he’s getting 1 more shot I guess a game than what he got in Cleveland, his %‘s are about the same, and as I wrote in another comment on here yesterday (I don’t think this thread, but one of the off side threads) he’s been effective on offense for the shots given. Gooden’s problem ain’t offense at all, it’s defense, where he’s slipped considerably from last year, and wasn’t good last year. Gooden’s always been more of a jumper PF than a true inside PF, but on offense he’s effective.

by majoyenrac on Jan 14, 2009 8:20 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

In Cleveland...

He was part of the defer to James gang, So it doesn’t surprise me that he took one less shot per game.

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by kidronmusic on Jan 14, 2009 3:25 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He's taking 20% shots on jumpshots than he did last year.

That’s significant. I was specifically referring to you saying Del Negro has no post guys, or no viable ones. If he wanted, he could do as other coaches did and make Gooden take more shots inside. He doesn’t. Because he’s a bad coach.

And Gray’s slowness still hasn’t kept him from being an effective post-offensive player. It’s his one strength and what keeps him from being absolutely horrible.

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by tyger1147 on Jan 14, 2009 5:05 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah

But he’s shooting a bit better than last year…..

And much of his “shots” in Cleveland came from the rebounding of the great LBJ. He wasn’t part of that offense much, and wasn’t needed to be. His PF spot is far more important int he Bulls offense, trouble is, his D is so awful and his aptitude to jump shooting game is not at all what we need.

by majoyenrac on Jan 15, 2009 10:46 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I remember

How good Luol Deng used to be before he went to IMG Academy.

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by Andrew7 on Jan 13, 2009 6:24 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Okay....

We trust you. If anybody knows, it’s you.

Just kidding, I agree that Rose will be fine, I just think it’s funny when people us the term “trust me” in such an anonymous and cluttered setting.

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by kidronmusic on Jan 13, 2009 4:03 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah sorry for the cliche

But I’m just saying we shouldn’t worry about Rose…..the only thing we should worry about Rose is keeping this team in such a disgraceful manner than he’ll be dying to leave in 4 years, and right now who could blame him.

I hope that Tyrus doesn’t turn a corner when he leaves….

by majoyenrac on Jan 13, 2009 4:08 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Noah's coaching

Hi there, long-time lurker, first time poster. Here’s what I don’t get: Under Boylan, the Bulls brought in Mike Brown to be a tried-and-true coach for the young bigs. If you look at Noah’s progress after Big Bum Wallace was traded, it went up very nicely. So, more minutes for Noah + a good big man coach provided positive results.

Now, the Bulls have friggin’ PETE MYERS as a big man coach. Pete “Aww, man! Foul?!? Me?!?” Myers to teach Noah, Gray and other non-guards how to be better at boxing out, establishing position under the hoop, working in the trenches. It just doesn’t seem to make any sense!

The Magic have Dwight Howard learning from Patrick Ewing, Lakers have Abdul-Jabbar, and the Bulls have got a glorified CBA guard whose claim to fame is having his pass blocked by Anthony Mason in a ‘90s play-off game. And the fans wonder why the bigs haven’t progressed?

by MikePeplowski on Jan 13, 2009 8:06 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Just remember back with Bill Cartwright

When Tyson Chandler looked like a beast all around, offensively and defensively.

Of course Curry benefited from Skiles more. But Curry had the skills in place, he just needed to get in shape and try harder.

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by Andrew7 on Jan 13, 2009 8:43 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

watching last night

I’ve realized this team just can’t compete in the half court game. The Bulls were playing well in the 1st qtr running, using their young athletes to push the tempo. Once Portland settled down and eliminated the fast pace the game was over. I understand good D leads to good O, but the offense hit a wall after the 2nd. The team became dependent on Drew Gooden as an offensive force. We were only down by 6 late in the 3rd, but it just felt over.

The offensive sets just arent good and don’t gets the bigs involved. I want to see a play where they use Noah to post up and feed it into him just to see what would happen. I’m not saying using Noah as a force but to keep the defense somewhat honest. It’s called “get your big the ball in the post play”, Noah can even pass it back out. A couple cuts and we can steal a basket here or there. I’m tired of seeing a hiiigh pick and roll near halfcourt which traps DRose, give him space to beat his defensive player not two!!

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by tyrus4prez on Jan 13, 2009 9:59 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah.

All our half court wins are precedented on Rose/Gordon taking over the game. They still do it from time to time, but teams have caught on that they can just double Rose or Gordon with a big man. Therefore, leaving an offensively incompetent player wide open (who often will stand by another defensive player, allowing the defender to cover two men). It’s not Ben Gordon that they’re leaving for the doubles unfortunately.

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by Andrew7 on Jan 13, 2009 11:56 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

In regards to the title of this:

You can ALWAYS blame something on Larry Hughes.

"You remember the first time you picked up a basketball video game and you had no idea how to run plays, so you just gave the ball to your shooter and you ran around the court aimlessly until a defender was far enough away and then you jacked up a shot? THAT IS LARRY HUGHES!"
-Anonymous fan letter, heylarryhughespleasestoptakingsomanybadshots.com

by Prevenge on Jan 14, 2009 12:00 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

after reading all of these posts..

and analysis of players,,,,
CONCLUSION
FIRE PAXSON & DEL NEGRO

Pray Reinsdorf sells the team – The ONLY REAL hope of turning it around…..

by rtblues on Jan 14, 2009 2:45 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ladies and Gentlemen

http://www.nypost.com/seven/01122009/news/regionalnews/knicks_sex_scandal_shock_149861.htm

larry has that system down to a science. Especially with the way the economy is….big wigs like larry coming in dressed in their mink coats and 24k gold cigarrete holders with pockets lined with coke make for a large draw during shift changes.
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by Jbasic89 on Jan 14, 2009 1:27 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sam Smith did a good job in his post Portland game blog about how he thinks the rotation should be tightened up and I agree with it. Obviously this isn’t really anything new but there is no reason for VDN to waste minutes on Gray, Noah and Hughes. They all need to be dropped (Gray)/traded (Noah) and sent home (Hughes). And maybe it’s just blind optimism but I think Noce, Hinrich and Deng can regain their form from 2-3 years ago and all significantly contribute. That was the core along with Gordon that swept the Heat and took the Pistons to game six and it just doesn’t make sense for all of them outside of Gordon to have turned to garbage.

Also I would by no means sign Gooden after this season, but his offensive contirbutions since becoming a Bull hav been pretty good. Admittedley he does take the stupidest shots sometimes (that fallaway 20 footer from the corner that never goes in!)

I’m not a fan of Tyrus (the “mopey rolling eyes” attitude described earlier being just the latest example) but I do agree that he needs a stretch of consistent 30+ minute games to show if he can be, uhh, consistent. But I also can imagine it being tough for VDN and the assistant coaches to deal with someone who at least comes off as a jerk. Anyway I think the starters should be
Rose pg
Thabo sg
Deng sf
Tyrus pf (with an occasional Noce start or Gooden switch to pf and Noah at c)
Gooden c

With the tightened up rotation of
Hinrich
Gordon
Noce
Noah (sparingly)
Hunter (if Hinrich/Rose get into foul trouble)

by macready1212 on Jan 14, 2009 3:15 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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