This is a low (before they lose by 30 to Portland on Monday)
Has this team been any good all season? Beyond that opening night I can't think of a time where I thought this team was going anywhere. They had some early wins against a pretty rough schedule, and that seemed enough anecdotal evidence that they were actually alright. But they stunk then, stink now.
The last hope of the schedule excuse died after going 2-2 at home against the Wolves, Kings, Wizards and Thunder. The last hope of the injuries excuse died losing to the Thunder with awesome captain Drew Gooden back (though having Thabo out hurt, considering the alternatives at the 3 are Hughes and Noc).
As a roster, this group isn't a disaster. As a coach Vinny isn't a disaster (though maybe, he's never coached before!). But Vinny with this roster together is a disaster. Paxson spent the last week talking about the lack of ball movement being the team's biggest problem. Well, it's a product of his roster having some players going for theirs (and knowing they're not part of the team's future anyway) and a coach not having the experience or the respect to do anything about it. Though even when he had their ear early, there was not much to the system beyond standing and watching anyway.
Did the team run any kind of offense Saturday night? It was at Tim Floyd levels in that regard. Vinny's not going to all of a sudden get players who don't listen to him to do so (he has no problem benching Tyrus Thomas in the 4th and OT though, way to pick your battles...).
Paxson does not have until the trade deadline. He has until the end of the week. Deng may be back Monday, and Hinrich on Thursday. Everybody's been 'showcased' (barf) enough, don't make it worse with better options returning and needing time.
Pax should know what to do. This is 'make a trade for the sake of it' time. Unfortunately I'm wary of giving up on some because the coaching and development process is such a clusterfuck, but rearrange some deck chairs. Make me care about the season again before it's a lost cause. It's way too close to being so already, and February 19th is far too late.
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Vinny is finally getting tough!
OK, maybe not.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/basketball/bulls/chi-12-bulls-chicagojan12,0,3246097.story
At least Del Negro followed through on his promise to address the three two-on-one fast breaks the Bulls botched in Saturday’s loss, with Larry Hughes twice and Ben Gordon once refusing to pass to an open Rose.
“If they can’t make good basketball decisions, then I’ll have to make good coaching decisions and get us to share the ball more,” Del Negro said.
Yeah, don’t keep being selfish guys, or I might have to actually act like a coach and hold you accountable.
Why resort to name calling?
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by Big D on Jan 11, 2009 8:06 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Vinnie Del Negro eats pieces of shit like you for breakfast!
Vinnie eats pieces of shit for breakfast?
De gustibus non est disputandum
by Sports2 on Jan 11, 2009 9:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
wat did he expect?? hes the one keeping guys like gooden and hughes on the floor late.
Chicago... Where giving up career nights happens
by Yibs on Jan 12, 2009 8:07 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
is this guy for real??
“We want to get in the open court, share the ball, run pick-and-roll,” Del Negro said. "We’re also trying to focus on the defense but simplify it. One of the reasons we have to simplify is we’ve had so many mixed lineups, so many guys in and out.
“When you’re doing that, you’re changing guys’ roles and minutes and substitution patterns and comfort level. That has an effect, especially for a young team.”
He does know that it’s HIM doing these things right?
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by NormVanBeer on Jan 11, 2009 8:16 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Apparently he's already forgotten
his oft-used ‘matchups’ mantra. Maybe that’s a good thing, though.
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by Illini15 on Jan 11, 2009 8:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
How exactly would they simplify the defense?
Is defense something so complicated that it needs to be simplified? I have heard of offense being complicated and players have a hard time learning the playbook, but defense? When I learned defense, it was about effort, communication and hustle…nothing more…read, react. So what is Vinny doing with his defense that is too complex for these NBA players to grasp? I have watched the games, and I don’t see it…
Either Vinny is saying the players are not smart enough to grasp his elaborate defensive schemes…or…he is indicting himself as a poor teacher…
" I've looked at these numbers and decided the #1 problem
is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger
by Dionysus2.0 on Jan 11, 2009 8:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think he meant to do the former
but ended up doing the latter. The Bulls have yet to show that they can even defend a simple pick & roll play. Can things get any more simple than that?
The teaching is bad though. Simple defensive principles are not being grasped by the players. I think that’s an indictment of both really.
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by NormVanBeer on Jan 11, 2009 8:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So his system is inherently flawed...
…AND the players are not very smart.
" I've looked at these numbers and decided the #1 problem
is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger
by Dionysus2.0 on Jan 11, 2009 9:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
as much as I would like to peg the lack of D totally on Vinny, I can't
players have to WANT to play D. At the same time, the staff doesn’t sound like they’re taking the time out to even cover the basics. I remembering reading an article last year about how Pat Riley either removed the baskets or covered them up, in a few of the Heat’s practices, in order to stress more D and do more teaching regarding defense.
There seems to be no teaching at all. The team as a whole has regressed defensively. The only guy who has seemed to improve defensively, ironically has been Gordon.
I definitely don’t expect Vinny to do ANYTHING like Riley (he could only wish) but at the same time, to hear that they haven’t practiced in a friggin MONTH is totally unacceptable.
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by NormVanBeer on Jan 11, 2009 9:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed.
I read something like that about Mike Brown in Cleveland…where their entire practices would focus on defense…
It just doesnt look like any amount of practice time is spent on defense with this group…and Vinny is saying that he needs to make it more simple…not exactly, he needs to make it a priority and not make excuses about the players being out and roles changing, etc.
" I've looked at these numbers and decided the #1 problem
is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger
by Dionysus2.0 on Jan 11, 2009 9:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
And because of that you have to realize why Cleveland was so quick to trade two guys who on talent and play alone post much better numbers than Ben Wallace (Especially last year’s ben Wallace, and when one was 26)….it’s because Larry and Drew play no defense….
And now the Bulls team is seeing that.
by majoyenrac on Jan 12, 2009 8:44 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I still rather have them both
than wallace
by CJOliveira on Jan 12, 2009 10:50 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It's a deal
that helped both teams in the end.
by CJ Bulls on Jan 12, 2009 12:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think there's a bit more scheming to it than we're aware, but yeah.
I mean, the team’s going to have a policy on how aggressively help defenders should show on picks, how aggressively and when to double on post or perimeter players, whether or not to trap, whether to funnel toward the baseline or funnel to the lane on dribble drives and how the help defense is supposed to react, who has responsibility for what rotations, etc., and they can tailor these rules to certain situations and change them for different games and personnel matchups (i.e., when Wade is in the game guarded by Ben Gordon, show aggressively on on-ball picks anywhere on the court, but if Chalmers is running point, do a quick show and hustle back to cut off the roll, but if Thabo is on Wade, then. . .). Simplifying these to standing rules that everyone knows regardless of situation is maybe one thing they’re talking about.
But really, if nobody is going to execute with any kind of discipline, fundamental technique, or effort, it doesn’t matter what rules or schemes you have in place. These guys haven’t shown that they can play any type of defense, and I seriously doubt it’s because they’re so confused that they forget how to move laterally, stop a guy driving down the middle of the lane, or box a guy out.
by arjoseph on Jan 12, 2009 8:17 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Love the Larry Hughes tag, btw.
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by Illini15 on Jan 11, 2009 8:23 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Said Gordon
“Didn’t make the right play at the right time.”
Well, give some of the money back.
by hlac on Jan 11, 2009 8:30 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
yep
no other player on this team has ever made a mistake before.
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by NormVanBeer on Jan 11, 2009 8:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No actually.
Larry Hughes made the same mistake twice last night. Peas in a pod, no?
" I've looked at these numbers and decided the #1 problem
is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger
by Dionysus2.0 on Jan 11, 2009 8:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
do you guys
put on blinders when you watch the games? Just wondering. I don’t even see how the most casual fan can group Gordon with Hughes. How do you equate?
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by NormVanBeer on Jan 11, 2009 8:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Its not fair really...
One is selfish in that he is playing for himself, the other is selfish in that he is playing for a contract. One is a cancer that costs his team victories, the other is not a cancer that costs his team victories.
" I've looked at these numbers and decided the #1 problem
is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger
by Dionysus2.0 on Jan 11, 2009 9:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i just don't get the BG is selfish comments
compare what is argubably BG’s best yr (06-07):
he is attempting basically the same amount of shots (16.3 – 16.1)
playing 3 more minutes (36-33)
attempting 1 more 3PT (5.6 – 4.6)
commiting .4 less TO’s (3-2.6
did i mention in 3 more minutes!!
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/stats?playerId=2381
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by tyrus4prez on Jan 11, 2009 9:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So, what exactly has changed?
" I've looked at these numbers and decided the #1 problem
is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger
by Dionysus2.0 on Jan 11, 2009 9:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I would say he is a pretty consistent player
was he selfish 2 years ago when the team had 49 wins!!!??
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by tyrus4prez on Jan 11, 2009 9:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yes, when you shoot you're selfish
and when you don’t you get called girly names like Luol Deng. It’s a real complicated evaluation system, mostly from having to catch the drool.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 11, 2009 11:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
he shoots too many contested jumpers...
…and passing just isn’t in his DNA. He is a gym rat who spends hours parctising his jumper, but is not good in the contecxt of team ball..
by bullsfaninbigapple on Jan 12, 2009 8:46 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
but
he’s shooting %45, that is a very high number considering some of these shots are contested. He has proven he can hit those jumpers, he’s not taking an incredible amount of shots to get his 21 pts/gm.
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by tyrus4prez on Jan 12, 2009 8:58 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
people on this site are too fickle and damning...
…it’s becoming comical. Gordon doesn’t even have to have a bad GAME anymore to get bashed. Now all he needs is a bad couple of plays and the whole city is against him.
A few games ago he put up 22/4/4 I believe, and someone put it under the “the ugly” (as in the good, bad and ugly). Huh? How is that? Oh I know, he didn’t pass it to Rose one time down the floor.
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by NormVanBeer on Jan 11, 2009 9:16 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
also
I dont seem to recall a bigger deal about 3 plays in a single mid-season gm. I’m not defending the play of Hughes/BG in those plays. But god forbid a 2 on 1 ends up in a charge, or a 2 on 1 ends up with 2 free throws.
Those have never happend in the NBA
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by tyrus4prez on Jan 11, 2009 9:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Its that those plays are symbolic of the Bulls struggles this season.
Sure those types of plays happen…but they are glaring examples of a deeper underlying problem with this roster and these players…a problem that has been there since the beginning of last season and continues to undermine the progress of the team…I don’t give a rats ass about those three plays specifically.
But I have watched this team fall from 49 wins two years ago to losing on its home court to the worst team in the league. I am getting tired of watching bad basketball. I had hope entering the season…that somehow the individual agendas would be sacrificed in the name of victories…but I have seen this team, and they are not playing together…so when multiple glaring examples of selfish play are on exhibit in one game, plays that one could argue cost the team a victory, its a good time to bring these up as an examples of what is wrong with the team…
" I've looked at these numbers and decided the #1 problem
is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger
by Dionysus2.0 on Jan 11, 2009 9:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
lol
why does it have to be some big dramatic underlying issue that is a microcosm of everything else? Why couldn’t it have been just a bad individual play?
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by NormVanBeer on Jan 11, 2009 9:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It would have been...
…until multiple chicago beat writers decided to make those plays iconic by specifically addressing them today.
I don’t read the Sun Times, but maybe they said something too.
" I've looked at these numbers and decided the #1 problem
is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger
by Dionysus2.0 on Jan 11, 2009 9:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It's iconic because KC Johnson says so?
De gustibus non est disputandum
by Sports2 on Jan 11, 2009 9:50 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
KC no.
KC and McGraw. That is pretty much covers the Bulls beat writers.
" I've looked at these numbers and decided the #1 problem
is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger
by Dionysus2.0 on Jan 11, 2009 9:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
uhhh ok
so just because the beat writers make a big deal out of something, that means we’re supposed to?
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by NormVanBeer on Jan 11, 2009 10:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
A big underlying microcasm...
I believe are the words you used…I am just expressing my frustration with the Bulls…
Gordon says he didn’t make the right play…Hughes also didn’t make the right play. There is a comparison to be made there…that’s what this whole thread begins with…two players, similar wrong plays.
" I've looked at these numbers and decided the #1 problem
is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger
by Dionysus2.0 on Jan 11, 2009 10:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
you helped make the point
Gordon admitted it, Hughes didn’t. Even with the plays, Gordon at least FAKED the pass, Hughes didn’t even bother. The plays are semi-similar, but still not really.
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by NormVanBeer on Jan 11, 2009 10:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think they are very similar,
but it doesn’t make them selfish.
Both are volume shooters that maintain a certain level of efficiency no matter how many shots they take. Those types of players are valuable to any team. They take pressure off of all the other players on the court, allowing them to take only good shots for themselves rather than force up shots.
The difference is, Gordon does his with a TS% of 55-58 while Hughes does his at 46-52.
So while Gordon is doing fine, Hughes should realize just because he can jack up shots without hurting his percentage, doesn’t mean he should. If Larry was converting at the same rate as Ben, no one would be complaining about his antics. But unfortunately Larry doesn’t believe in or care about the statistics of helping his team win.
by CJ Bulls on Jan 12, 2009 12:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hughes
Though gets less minutes so it can be either easier or tougher to maintain those Gordon esque trends…..depending on how streaky he is at times.
I’m not about to say Hughes is better than BG, but Hughes is proving better as a Bull than the Cleveland version, not being relegated to just being a spot up shooter—whcih never was his game.
But still we only need the one, and Larry isn’t Ben and has a CRAPPY contract and wants to be more than Ben and plays too much for Larry rather than the team….if Larry just stuck to his role like he was doing of late prior to the last two (find a trade) games, then I liked his play on the court.
by majoyenrac on Jan 12, 2009 12:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The minutes factor doesn't really apply
because I looked at stats for the past 4 years or so. I’m sure if you took minutes from the last 4 years, the 2 players are about even.
Hughes is not a spot up shooter, but doesn’t need to take 15 shots to not be one. He can slash for 5 shots a game working off of Rose/Gordon’s double teams. Then he could still maintain an effective percentage. But Hughes no longer believes in slashing.
by CJ Bulls on Jan 12, 2009 12:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Gordon
Is and was better than Hughes…..Hughes had a magical year, but it was only magical for 50 some games because of injury in a contract year.
Gordon’s been doing far more with less as a Bull.
by majoyenrac on Jan 12, 2009 12:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 11, 2009 11:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i understand
that it could be individual agendas but it could also be just bad plays by scorers trying to score. BG was screwed right when he got the ball on that play. He was ahead of Rose and Westbrook had him lined up for the charge. Even if he passes the ball to Rose (which likely would of ended up in a TO) it was a charge. BG was running full speed and theres no way he could of stopped on the dime and pass it off without avoiding Westbrook.
Hughes should of passed the ball back but the end result ended up in a foul, Bulls ball. Not the ideal finish to the play but it’s happend before in the NBA.
How is BG selfish now but not too years ago?? You still havent answered that question…
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by tyrus4prez on Jan 11, 2009 9:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
damnit
I am not defending Hughes --i hate him, i hate him, i hate him
I vote for Thomas to play, play more and play regularly.-Sam Smith
by tyrus4prez on Jan 11, 2009 9:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought I did.
What exactly has changed?
" I've looked at these numbers and decided the #1 problem
is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger
by Dionysus2.0 on Jan 11, 2009 10:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
did you miss Ben Gordon that team?
Give it a rest man.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 11, 2009 11:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The other funny thing is a week ago
I heard people bitching about Gordon passing to Thabo on a similar play.
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by Sports2 on Jan 11, 2009 9:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ben is not the problem, totally
The problem is, Pax made a bad choice by hiring Del Negro, he is not the right person for this job, Pax has failed this team by this choice, I say for next season Pax needs to look at Eddie Jordan or Mo Cheeks
by LOTP on Jan 12, 2009 4:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, Mo Cheeks would be perfect here
He only lasted as long as he did b/c he listened when the GM told him “play the young guys and at a fast tempo.” I’m sure he’d love to come here knowing Paxson refuses to interfere w/ what the coach doing even as it makes his own job more difficult.
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by snley on Jan 12, 2009 4:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
In Portland, Mo Cheeks was okay with "showcasing"
I think Mo would only play the guys you wanna get rid of the most, because from management’s POV that is “showcasing” and not “showing the world how bad they are”.
Mo did it with Shareef, Ruben Patterson, and he did it because he did what management told him to do. Cheeks is not a strong, dominant personality nor a great basketball mind, by ALL accounts.
You guys would tear Cheeks apart.
I think Eddie Jordan could be a good pick, and he’d at least get some more offense out of the club. I am not an expert on him though, and even though the Wiz were awful this year and simply mediocrely-good before, his basketball knowledge and coaching is held in high regard league wide.
The first several months are tough for any coach, let alone a first timer like VDN. It’s hard to say he is FOR SURE a bad coach, even if he really seems to not be playing the right guy.
If you could get an Eddie Jordan type guy though, you’d have to try. I think the Kings will throw themselves at him with all their gusto, and it might be a more natural fit for Jordan’s offensive style.
Mo Cheeks would only LOOK good in a scenario where the players basically babysit themselves, and run the team on their own. He is not a ‘smart’ coach (not to say he is a dumb guy in real life, of course) and struggles with decision making under pressure.
His best ‘coaching’ in Philly was getting the hell out of the way and letting his young guys run. The Bulls are small, but not really a running team, and as a coach Cheeks is just… there.
Mortimer
by Mortimer on Jan 12, 2009 4:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Your anti-Gordon crusade is really old
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by Illini15 on Jan 11, 2009 9:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
There is nothing anti in what I said.
" I've looked at these numbers and decided the #1 problem
is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger
by Dionysus2.0 on Jan 11, 2009 9:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
very old
by now after the season he’s had, that talk is a character flaw.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 11, 2009 11:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Just think if they had paid him!
They’d be nothing alike!
Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!
by tyger1147 on Jan 12, 2009 8:30 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well really
One is selfish because he’s playing/auditioning for a new team after Pax gave him the green light to search for a trade.
And one hasn’t been too selfish, but played a bit selfish down the stretch both because of the situation the coach put him in (since he hasn’t been doing that much at all lately) and because yes he is playing for a new contract.
by majoyenrac on Jan 12, 2009 8:45 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
at least gordon attempted a "fake pass"
they just stuck with him and drew the charge.
Hughes on the other hand… well we all saw that
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by chibullsfan03 on Jan 11, 2009 8:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
that may be my inner-ben-gordon-love speaking
but that was my defense of it
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by chibullsfan03 on Jan 11, 2009 8:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe we shouldn't focus on a couple plays in an essentially meaningless game
and try to extrapolate out into an entire personality profile
by CJ Bulls on Jan 12, 2009 12:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
it has to happen by Thursday
right???
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by tyrus4prez on Jan 11, 2009 8:42 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Tomorrow would be better for me..
Mr. Paxson you have been arrested for destroying the Chicago Bulls! Come out of the Betro center with your hands up! -then I woke up and we got 9 inches of snow.
by ImmanuelKant on Jan 11, 2009 8:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yesterday would've been better for me
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by NormVanBeer on Jan 11, 2009 8:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll believe it when I see it.
Go Bulls?
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by MPG on Jan 11, 2009 9:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
guys..
did you ever wonder why pax hired a guy with no experience to lead this team?
I think he wanted it to appear like this:
1. he hires a coach with no name. (uuu sounds like a song)
2. this team stinks to death and goes to the lottery in the post season.
but between 1 and 2 there’s 1.5.
1.5. his real intention why he hired a horse with no name is, he already knew that this team is hopeless. so the hiring of Doug Collins from Pax’s point of view in that time seemed to not only cost the Bulls some money but also make the Bulls organization(the team too)look really ugly.
Collins + #1 pick + team = stench = the Bulls really stiiiiiiink!!
VDN + #1 pick + team = excuses = excuses.
i really think pax never thought about rebuilding this team through good trades.i think he was all along thinking about drafts drafts drafts..i think he’s a big fan of david sterns podium stance.
wait i don’t get my point here.
on second thought it might have been better if he hired Collins because the blame will all be on Collins.
by Aiafati on Jan 11, 2009 9:04 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I think perhaps
Pax hiring a coach with no name was a scapegoat to give Pax time to figure out the trades he needs to make while we do a soft rebuild.
Can you imagine the ire the fans would treat on this team if say we hired an experienced coach and failed…..I would say D’Antoni but I’m sure Pax knew that D’Antoni would get guys to play better because his style pumps their offense….
by majoyenrac on Jan 12, 2009 8:49 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah you're right about D'antoni
but they have to run.
by Aiafati on Jan 12, 2009 12:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
K.C writes another BS article on leadership.
So your saying their aren’t any leaders on the Bulls? Wow! I would have never guessed it but now you write your little paragraph the light shines on the truth! Good job KC writing about something everybody already knows!
Trade someone please!
by ImmanuelKant on Jan 11, 2009 9:24 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
how dare you
D2.0 has that KC copy framed. It’s iconic.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 11, 2009 11:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And KC sucks
KC’s an awful beat writer….
by majoyenrac on Jan 12, 2009 8:50 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I dont agree
KC is the best sports writer(excludiing Smith at Bulls.com) in the city right now and I know we don’t need to have that argument on a basketball blog.
The fact he wrote an article saying there is no leadership is ballsy because he is blasting Kirk, Deng, and Gooden. It is not safe for a writer to blast players he interacts with everyday. Sure Derrick is the only one he needs to care about longterm but that was a strong( obvious) column today.
by Jscho316 on Jan 12, 2009 10:43 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That I guess
Goes to show the issue with Chi media reporting.
I’m not a fan, we’ll leave it at that.
KC saying there’s no leadership ain’t ballsy, it’s fairly obvious.
by majoyenrac on Jan 12, 2009 10:50 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He just can't come out and say....
“Paxson has done a horrible job of judging charachter in his draft picks. From 2003-2007 Paxson always commented on trying to get good charachter guys by getting winners from big programs. Well it turned out he horribly misidentified the charachters of his "core”. They may not be in the police blotter, but they are very soft, selfish, and lazy players who need to be nurtured by a coach 3-4 years into the leauge. Paxson’s horrible charachter judgement has led to the firing of a great X and O’s NBA coach because he was too hard on these soft players. What a bad GM. " end article
We would all like our beat reporters to say something like that but they can’t because they need to interact with Pax and the players everyday. So to get info like that look at smart sports radio guys or even some comments on blogs.
by Jscho316 on Jan 12, 2009 11:00 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No
I wouldn’t say he drafted horrible players, he has just done a bad job constructing a team, he has a lot of players that don’t fit, Ben Gordon can Kirk Hinrich are 6th men, Deng is protoypical 14-17ppg, 5rpg SF, character isn’t the problem, judging talent is the problem, and these guys aren’t as talented as he thought
by LOTP on Jan 12, 2009 4:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Who would you suggest starts over BG if he's a '6th man'?
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by Illini15 on Jan 12, 2009 4:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Charachter isnt the problem for Deng?
He is the softest player on the team if not in the East. There is word coming out of the lockerroom that players on the Bulls….. Ben, Noc, Drew, ( all worthless) and Derrick think he is real soft. He has missed a lot of games with minor injuries over the years. How come Drew came back 3 games before with a sprained ankle but Deng was injured the night before?
Sure you can look at Pax’s talent valuations as the problem but when he in his own words talked about charachter guys from good programs when he drafted them … and that charachter has proved to be a huge problem then I can say his decisions backfired.
Except for Tyrus he really didn’t take a chance on any of the picks ( by chance I mean taking Martell Webster or Travis Outlaw) instead of someone from Duke UCONN or FL.
by Jscho316 on Jan 12, 2009 5:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Word coming out of the locker room? Source?
When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer
by Illini15 on Jan 12, 2009 5:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
ok
I wasn’t sure when its necessary or not to reveal sources in posts….. I have heard numberous times on 670 2-6pm by both hosts and the producer that the players on the Bulls think Deng is soft and Derrick is indeed one of those players.
They have same sources in the lockerroom as anybody in Chicago media because of their history of covering the Bulls in 80s and 90s and they have a beat reporter in there now. I gotta keep fighting my point cause Deng’s attitude an regression are the thing I am most angered at.
by Jscho316 on Jan 13, 2009 12:09 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Why is it so bad if a player is hurt?
Deng is hurt, or he would play. Does he really have the rep of a guy who will dog it just to be lazy and he isn’t really hurt?
If that was true, you wouldn’t be hearing it being said by bloggers on message boards, you’d have leaks from the team medical and coaching staff hoping to shame the player into manning up. That isn’t happening here.
Deng is actually hurt, and he shouldn’t hurry back and risk more injury. That is silly. He’s really young, has a long career ahead of him, and it is a non-playoff contending team right now, AND it is in January. Why play hurt?
And by “hurt”, I mean injured and unable to play without hurting yourself further, not just run of the mill NBA injuries. Good players play through the day to day stuff. I haven’t read anything that says Deng just has day to day injuries that he is being a weenie over.
I don’t know Deng, don’t know how bad his injuries are. But I think it’s lame when fans think a player has sand in his vagina and isn’t “tough” just because he has an unlucky string of nagging injuries.
Mortimer
by Mortimer on Jan 12, 2009 5:46 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
well said mortimer.
i was trying to say the same thing elsewhere.
by Jaina on Jan 12, 2009 5:49 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I think Deng is
just injury prone. Remember two or three years ago he had a head injury from flying across the floor after a loose ball? I think it might have been around the same time he lost some teeth or something like that.
by sue369 on Jan 12, 2009 6:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Mortimer has sand in his vagina
Said a ‘team source’
"When I have the ball, I experiment." #5
by Sabonis4Ever on Jan 12, 2009 10:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You're just angry
Because you’re still spitting sand out of your mouth.
AND YOU LOVED IT.
Mortimer
by Mortimer on Jan 13, 2009 3:58 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Um, deng wasn't injured the night before
drew got injured on dec 19. luol got injured on the 26th.
by Jaina on Jan 13, 2009 12:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I read it completely different
I read it as him saying that we have no leadership BECAUSE Kirk, Lu, and Gooden were (are) out. I didn’t think he was blasting them, but actually praising them.
http://awsomepeoplesearch.com/
by NormVanBeer on Jan 12, 2009 11:11 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Larry Hughes Larry Hughes Larry Hughes Larry Hughes
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by Belize on Jan 11, 2009 10:19 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
So.....
should we now continue Draft 09 talks?
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by Belize on Jan 11, 2009 10:39 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
no
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 11, 2009 11:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What's better than ...
1) taking time accessing VDN a rookie coach and how many times he screws up.
2) watching bulls young talent go to waste because lack of developing and a GM out of tune with todays NBA basketball players… heck we was out of tune with NBA basketball players even during his playing days. “Clean cut. privileged, Alter Boy from Notre Dame who never question a rule or challenged a wayward priest”
3) watching boring Bulls games, steps below real good NBA teams and miles displaced from top NBA teams.
.. I’ll tell you what’s better ..
The only thing related to the Chicago Bulls that’s worth anything, asided from Benny, Love-a-Bulls and Derrick Rose.
man up!
by exult463 on Jan 11, 2009 10:40 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
awww
I hate your comments somewhat less now.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 11, 2009 11:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
as the season continues im blaming vinny more and more
in the begininng i thougt it was just the players not executing anything on offense or deffense. but now that we all have a pretty good idea of who is managable in games, and the fact that vinny chooses to keep them out of the games, especialy in late situations is insane. i think over the past weeks tyrus was very impressive, he toned down the jump shots and did what he does best around the rim, even made all his free throws. and as soon as drew comes back we forget about TT. and does it make sense that larry played more minutes after he demanded a trade? i bet marbury wishes that the knicks got VDN insted. he could have just whined and earned more minutes.. i would have liked noch(because of thabo’s injury) to play late during the last game. noch was at least hitting sum shots towards the end, and as usual do his best to draw fouls and irritate others on defense(i know hes not good on D, but theres more effort from him than hughes.)
Chicago... Where giving up career nights happens
by Yibs on Jan 12, 2009 8:19 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Vinny is horrible
Vinny does not have a clue of what he is doing, he reminds me of former Mavericks one-and-done coach, Quinn Buckner.
by LOTP on Jan 12, 2009 4:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
McGraw hits it on the head...
First he addresses, the whole 2-on-1 fiasco:
Gordon didn’t have much to say when asked about the fastbreak failures. It may have looked even worse to fans because all three times, rookie Derrick Rose was the player who should have been given the ball.
“Just a bad play,” Gordon said. “Didn’t make the right play at the right time.”
Thank you. Someone who finally isn’t making such a big deal out of this. KC and Hanely have turned this into another GATE. A couple of weeks after Food Gate, we now have Selfish 2-on-1 Gate. This is ridiculous. Can people please stop overreacting whenever Rose is involved?
Next he addresses the real reason the Bulls lost to OKC:
One odd stat from this game is Oklahoma City’s perimeter players – Earl Watson, Russell Westbrook and Jeff Green – shot a combined 11-for-47 from the field (23.4 percent), while the Bulls couldn’t stop undersized center Nick Collison (21 points, 9 rebounds), who is playing with a broken left thumb. Collison even got a hand in Derrick Rose’s face on a pull-up in the lane when the Bulls had a chance to take the lead with 22 seconds left in regulation.
Thank you again. It had nothing to do with the botched 2-on-1 breaks, or that poison guy Ben Gordon! As has been the theme all season, they were killed down low. People here need to take off the blindfold on the defensive end and actually WATCH the game instead of acting a fool because Gordon didn’t pass to Rose.
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by NormVanBeer on Jan 12, 2009 9:06 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Yeah
And then watch who the culprit was….it was _rew last game. His D was atrocious. You could even see Noc through his arms in disgust in a very visable moment where Noc was on his man and Drew just ran next to Noc….
Rec to that.
Our beat writer’s suck.
by majoyenrac on Jan 12, 2009 9:24 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
McGraw doesn't suck
And it’s interesting how his straightforward article that more or less downplays things, when suddenly lumped together with KC’s (whose voice counts for 0 by itself), is iconic :)
De gustibus non est disputandum
by Sports2 on Jan 12, 2009 9:35 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ok I am lumping him with KC
Who does suck, and is awful.
Not the biggest fan of either though.
by majoyenrac on Jan 12, 2009 9:40 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I absolutely love the 'Iconic because KC says so' angle. :-D
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 12, 2009 10:02 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously Vinny sucks!
How do you sit your starting PF the entire 4th period and OT. The guy who was the only one defending the hoop with some type of regularity. I mean the freaking guy had 4 blocks. His weak side help wouldve been KEY when Collison was rolling to the hoop for all those uncontested JAMS!
Drew Gooden sucks at defense and shoots to dam much, if any of you wanks defend him and say he’s a good baller you should be punched. There is nothing good about him. I take that back he’s out of here after tthis season or sooner so thats good.
Larry Hughes needs to sit at home until we can find a trade.
Noc floats around way to much I jsut acnt stand him. I was always a nieve fan of his, i always thought he was a grinder a hard worker ( a chicago kinda guy) but he’s a freaking wank. After reading all the hate on here i started watching him the entire time he’s in and man he makes a lot of mistakes.
I never thought I would say this but we need Kirk back badly. He brings a lot more to the table than LH and LH.
Gosh Vinny isclueless out there. His sub patterns are so pathetic. His out of time outs are pathetic. He has no clue how to run a ship.
BG is fine, you all hate on him for his fast break play but guess what shit happens, Hes still the big dog on this squad of pups.
Watching the Bulls is getting really hard. They dont play hard, they dont play together, D- Rose hasnt been playing as well as he was when the season started. I never liked Vinny the Ginne.
The more i think about it Cleveland spanked us in the BW trade.
by Bulls4Ever on Jan 12, 2009 10:09 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
VDN sat tyrus because he only had 2 rebounds in 26 minutes
and the bulls were getting killed on the offensive glass. at least that is my theory.
And Cleveland didn’t spank us in the VDN trade. Would this team be better with Wallace here? I don’t think so. I think if we had just traded BW for Gooden straight up we still would have won. Wallace is the 3rd big man on that team, only starting due to his ego and Varejao’s age.
by Basketball Smurf on Jan 12, 2009 11:56 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Granted
i was dissappointed by the two rebounds as well but he wouldve made a difference defensively. I still dont think that warrants a benching for almost 2 periods. Rebounds can come in bunches and his defense wouldve been about a million times better than Noah and Drew. There is more to it than that.
I bet he wouldve ended up with 5-6 blocks (2 being crucial Collison blocks late in the game and OT and atleast 8-10 points. with a hand full of rebounds and most importantly a W for the craptastic bulls.
by Bulls4Ever on Jan 12, 2009 12:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
so in your hypothetical game Tyrus would have come up
with some game clenching blocks including 2 critical ones on Collison in the 4th and OT? okay…. I was just letting you know why he was probably benched. I didn’t say I agreed with it. Allowing Collison to have his best game of the season while providing little on the offensive end (6pt on 33% shooting) or on rebounds (again 2 rebs from your starting pf in 26 minutes) problably had something to do with it.
by Basketball Smurf on Jan 12, 2009 1:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He also
Would have gotten hot from the 3 pt line, and been our PG/SG/SF/PF, though not the center because come on he’s only 6 foot 9.
by majoyenrac on Jan 12, 2009 1:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
To answer
your question yes i think we would be better with BW now than with LH and Drew. I dont care if BW was the 10th best big on that team. On our team he still wouldve handled the paint and shot air ball free throws. BW was good for us but didnt warrant the money he got. He also seemed to cause some problems in the lockeroom but nothing LH hasnt done.
So with our interior defense better our paint is stronger and now he’s playing with a real player in D Rose. Yeah i think he wouldve been ok.
But you probably like Drew Gooden so this convo is over. Cause he SUCKS!
by Bulls4Ever on Jan 12, 2009 12:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
but ben wallace didn't even try last year.
he wasn’t a guy looking to put up numbers like Hughes. He was a guy looking to do nothing because he hated the coaches and had no faith in the team. The guy is a frontrunner. He really isn’t that productive in Cleveland and he would be even less productive in Chicago. I don’t think D Rose
Anyway, you are obviously a 2 year old, so this conversation is over. You don’t know how to converse.
by Basketball Smurf on Jan 12, 2009 1:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i meant to say
i don’t think D. Rose being here would have made any difference in Wallace. He has played with players far more experienced and better than Rose. Hell, we were 49 win team the year before when the Fro showed up the next season as the corpse and was refusing to even practice.
by Basketball Smurf on Jan 12, 2009 1:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
5 blocks
how many of those would have been made? ow many missed and turned into rebounds? zero blocks = more points for the other team but maybe more rebounds for Thomas. Yay!
Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!
by tyger1147 on Jan 12, 2009 2:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
you know some players manage to get rebounds and blocks
not every block means that the team doesn’t get to score on that possession. Tyrus may block a shot but the opposing team may still retain possession. I would rather Thomas had 10 rebounds than 3 blocks because I think it is far more likely that he is doing what he is “supposed to do” if he is grabbing rebounds where blocks are sometimes simply a manifestation of his extraordinary athleticism. Rarely does Tyrus have a game where he rebounds well and the other facets of his game don’t show up. But he often has games where he blocks shots but doesn’t rebound, score or play smart defense.
When your starting power forwards rebound rate in a game is worse than Gooden, Noah, Hughes, Rose, Collinson, Westbrook, Green, Durant, Watson (e.g. Thomas had the worst rebound rate of any starter not named Gordon and was also worse on the boards than Noah, Mason and Krstic) than you are going to have trouble winning the game.
I like Tyrus. I think he has been our best big man. But I think his effort comes and goes especially on the rebounding end. If Tyrus is focused there is no reason for any player on the Bulls to out rebound him. He should get 8 rebounds a game on pure effort. When he doesn’t than he isn’t playing to his strengths.
and i’m wasn’t sure if you were replying to me or not…. but if you were.
by Basketball Smurf on Jan 12, 2009 2:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
There was that terrible D play
Where Tyrus flew in for the Block of Collison that Tyrus got, while all the other Bulls stood around and Tyrus was flying one way, while Collison and the ball went the other, and all that happened was Collison hit the ground grabbed the ball in the air and went right back up.
Tyrus played solid D that game, the other Bulls (_rew) stood and watched and Nick got the points….There wasn’t anything T2 could do, he did his job stopping that play.
Frankly while sometimes Tyrus’s stats don’t show up in the boards, he was active in what I saw….balls took some funny bounces or bounced to _rew’s direction and we all know Drew was having a pad the offense ignore the defense night…..
I think Tyrus would have helped more than he hurt on Sat.
by majoyenrac on Jan 12, 2009 3:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i know "some players" do
Thomas is one of them.
Just trying to point out that contributes in a lot of ways. if he was could do both right now, he’d easily be one of the best players in the league… best “defenders” anyway.
i just think it’s silly to rip him for a bad performance in one statistical area when he clearly contributed in another area.
In all honesty, I’ll expect consistency from Thomas when he gets consistent minutes for a loooooong period of time.
Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!
by tyger1147 on Jan 12, 2009 4:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If Thabo is healthy?
Not that it matters in tonight’s outcome but does he start tonight over Deng( coming off 3 weeks out) and if Deng gets 15 mins does that mean Larry doesn’t play?
by Jscho316 on Jan 12, 2009 10:47 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Thabo was at
practice yesterday but didn’t participate. They didn’t say if he would play tonight or not. They were going to make the decision on Deng today.
by sue369 on Jan 12, 2009 11:10 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Conspiracy Theory
You know why Paxson hired Vinny? Because Dwarf made him. And you know why he made him do it? Because of Larry Hughes’ 50 win penalty clause. Reinsdwarf knew that with a rookie coach it would be difficult to win 50 games. How sad is it that a team negotiates with you a 50 win game penalty. Reinsdorf is such a cheap ass it makes me sick. It also goes to show you that Cleveland knew how much of a team player Larry was before they signed him. It’s also sad to see Vinny not bench this guy after he complains about time. At least Skiles would of made him pass out waters during timeouts. Vinny Del Puss Puss.
by morobb on Jan 12, 2009 11:00 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Cavs did that with Marshall and I thought Damon Jones too....
I like that penalty clause, should get guys to try harder and wish every team did….even if after a trade it changes things……
by majoyenrac on Jan 12, 2009 11:11 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
but, you shouldn’t have to resort to that clause just to get guys to try harder.
by morobb on Jan 12, 2009 11:18 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
When it was signed
It was viewed as an incentive clause (Deng’s got some of these too), but given that Hughes didn’t last with the team and isn’t something we really need/want, it’s become a penalty clause on our team….
by majoyenrac on Jan 12, 2009 12:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
How badly do you think the other teams look forward to playing us...
Remember us having something called DEFENSE a short while back…
November 5th – Cleveland — LeBron James scored a season-high 41 points
November 11th – Atlanta — Horford scored a career-high 27 points
November 18th – Los Angeles — Pau Gasol scored his season-high 34 points
November 19th – Portland — Joel Przybilla, scored a season-high 14 points, 9 rebounds
November 23rd – Denver — Kenyon Martin finished with a season-high 26 points
November 26th – San Antonio – George Hill first career double-double
December 2nd – Philladelphia – Andre Miller scored season-high 28 points
December 3rd – Milwaukee – Dan Gadzuric had 11 points, 14 rebounds
December 12th – Memphis — Rudy Gay 29 points, Hakim Warrick 21, both season highs
December 13th – New Jersey – Vince Carter 39 points, Season-High
December 16th – Charlotte – DJ Augustine 29 points, Career-High
December 17th – Los Angeles – Marcus Camby 19 points 27 rebounds, Career-High
December 19th – Boston — Kendrick Perkins scored a career-high 25
December 23rd – Detroit — Stuckey scored a career-high 40 points
December 27th – Atlanta — Joe Johnson 41 points, Josh Smith 24, both season-highs
January 2nd – Cleveland — Anderson Varejao career-high 26
January 9th – Washington – Nick Young Career-High 29
January 10th – Oklahoma — Nick Collison season-high 21
by SouthWestSideGus on Jan 12, 2009 12:31 PM CST reply actions 5 recs
Great research!
I’m surprised how many guards made the list still. It’s funny to see all the bigs with career/season highs that are simply terrible offensively.
by CJ Bulls on Jan 12, 2009 12:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Again though
Guards having high’s shows the lack of a post defender…..guys get past the guards and nobody’s there to help out.
I do believe though that Lebron and Stuckey have surpassed this mark (And counting any early games is a bit much if you’re saying season highs to date). I think Stuckey followed the Bulls game with another 40 pter.
Vince had THabo on him most of the game, and Thabo gave him many of those looks.
Joe Johnson’s a monster….
by majoyenrac on Jan 12, 2009 1:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Nope, those are still either season-highs or tied for season-highs for both
In fact, Lebron has scored 41 on us twice while Stuckney has never scored more than 40 in an NBA game.
If we look harder I suspect we will find a few more that did not stand out as much.
by SouthWestSideGus on Jan 12, 2009 2:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Got it
STUCKey had 38 pts 5 games later…I remembered he had some other huge game there and was on a run with the mid to upper teens beforehand. Still no excuse, but he was awesome that game….
And Lebron would score over 40 if he played more minutes….that’s not a knock, nobody can stop him.
by majoyenrac on Jan 12, 2009 3:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, great job on the list
we are terri-bull. The Players and Coaches should look at this and be ashamed
by The90sBullsRevival on Jan 12, 2009 12:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Awesome work
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
by MPG on Jan 12, 2009 1:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Damn, nice research.
That’s even worse than I thought it was :-\
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by Illini15 on Jan 12, 2009 1:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
A bit harsh though
Vinny’s a far cry from the awfulness of Jimmy B….
But yeah learning on a trial by fire wasn’t the best thing Pax could have done to a pure rookie….
Whatever happened to our solid assistants? I meand Bickerstaff and Harris made Rosen’s list of best coaches out there, best coaching minds (read on foxsports.com). I thought they were going to mentor/shape Vinny a bit more….this rotation stuff though went from “eh to meh eh bad” early on to really really really bad of late.
by majoyenrac on Jan 12, 2009 1:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Both guys suck
I’m starting a fire Vinny petition!!!
by LOTP on Jan 12, 2009 4:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Inside our missing
I told my kids from early on in the season, the Bulls are going to hit a wall.
This because to play the game as outside gunshooters, and the odds will eventually kill you.
The game has become an inside out and pick n roll game.
If you cannot learn to do this, its over by Xmas.
You need to pass in, if it works, great.
If not, you need a great big man who passes well and then the ball comes out.
You then drive or LAST option…outside shot.
The Bulls are absolutely outside shot first.
Once in awhile they go inside, but seldom.
And they know nothing of pick n roll…offense OR defense.
I am warning as I have earlier, learn to use Gray or wait till next year.
by ppellico on Jan 12, 2009 4:45 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
This seems rather contradictory
If not, you need a great big man who passes well and then the ball comes out.
I am warning as I have earlier, learn to use Gray or wait till next year.
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Ronald Reagan
by snley on Jan 12, 2009 4:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
this dude is demented
I sort of understand Larry Hughes devotees more than an Aaron Gray one.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 12, 2009 4:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What if that guy is actually Aaron Gray though?
When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer
by Illini15 on Jan 12, 2009 5:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And what if Know is actually Larry Hughes?
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by Illini15 on Jan 12, 2009 5:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
then I'll reconsider dementia
as ‘confidence’
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