Thunder 109, Bulls 98
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 11, 2009 12:34 AM CST
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Didn't watch it yet. Not excited to do so.
I figure that nearly 800 comments on a Saturday night thread means it was at least...discussable.
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If a picture could say it all....
that would be it right there!
by TruEChiFaN... on Jan 11, 2009 12:49 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
lol
Fred Tedeschi is like “dude, what are you doing?…sit the fuck down”
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by NormVanBeer on Jan 11, 2009 3:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Perfect outlet for Frustration
As Steve Cashell did during the postgame show tonight…. this blog gives fans a place to get angry and place blame without even bothering to apoligize or find excuses for tonight’s sad performance.
One quote and I’ll stop worrying about the loss tonight and start worrying about Portand Cleveland San Antonio and Atlanta…….
“Overall, I feel we’re better than that team,” Noah said.
That’s funny. The Thunder sat in the opposite locker room, feeling the same thing. KC
by Jscho316 on Jan 11, 2009 12:49 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I’ve defended VDN in the past, but I am ready to hit Kinko’s to crank out the Fire Vinny sign after this one. Weakling Noah was routinely abused by Nick Collison all night. This is Nick Collison we are talking about. Dude was not even starting on this horrible team a week ago. Noah had 4 points and 3 turnovers in 30 minutes. Has Noah ever even seen the inside of a weight room? It took Joakim fouling out for him to find a seat. Meanwhile, Tyrus is inexplicably anchored to the bench for the entire fourth quarter.
All you need to know about Larry Hughes was how he handled that 2 on 1 break with Rose. Hughes is a loser, and I do not mean that in a personal attack way. I mean that he is allergic to winning. If there is a more selfish player with worse shot selection, please let me know. I know he had to play tonight because we were without Thabo and Deng, but he should be sent home until he is moved.
People in my section were irate during the game. Much more vocal booing and yelling than other games. As I mentioned in another post, there were also a lot of empty seats. I think people are tired of what’s going on at the UC.
by Stay Chisel on Jan 11, 2009 12:56 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Noah played fine--did a lot of hustle things
And was a faxtor on D, but he was guarding both the C and PF at the same time bc Drew was ambivalent to play D tonight—tho he was playing some O, tonight was one of those BAD Drew games—one’s that don’t show in the stats. Drew will refocuss again…..
by majoyenrac on Jan 11, 2009 1:26 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree
With Noah on the court, we are back to the 4 on 5 offense that everyone loved with Ben Wallace.
by Stay Chisel on Jan 11, 2009 8:22 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Noah
Is far more active than Ben and is actually a bit better of an offensive player (he’s a better passer, and is taller/can put a few baskets in).
Once he bulks up/if he bulks up we’ll both notice this more.
by majoyenrac on Jan 11, 2009 8:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
we couldn't have been watching the same game
because I agree with Chisel…Noah looked weak, was pushed around, didn’t know where to go on defense, missed several little chippies under the basket, just bad all around
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by NormVanBeer on Jan 11, 2009 3:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He did look weak
But he was active, making some altering shot moves, and just huslting.
Drew was the guy who Nick Collison kept killing…..not Noah. Noah’s weak, and is an easy target because of that, but Gooden was having one of his complete ambivalent D games. Tyrus should have gotten more burn.
by majoyenrac on Jan 11, 2009 8:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i agree with you on the latter
Tyrus being benched for the 4th made no sense whatsoever.
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by NormVanBeer on Jan 11, 2009 8:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
When did energy become a substitute for talent?
Noah is not a good player. This talk about “energy” and “activity” kills me. I agree that Gooden’s D was abysmal but at least he can play it if he wants to, and he contributed on the offensive end. Noah is unable to play defense for two reasons: he doesn’t know how, and if he did he is too weak to do anything about it. Any time he tried to put a body on a Thunder player, he was thrown aside like he was made out of balsa wood. There is a direct correlation between Noah playing a lot of minutes and the other team going bananas on the boards. Also, don’t let his rebounding stats fool you. Many of those boards are taps against the glass that most average players would grab with two hands or put into the hoop.
by Stay Chisel on Jan 11, 2009 9:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
My kids have energy
They’re three and two. When they run they’re full of energy. Their little arms and legs fly every which way, their heads spin around, and despite all the effort, they don’t cover much ground. I’m strongly reminded of them whenever I watch Noah run.
De gustibus non est disputandum
by Sports2 on Jan 11, 2009 9:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
teach them to be nice to the media
so it becomes the Noc brand of energy. I read he’s the only one who gives 110% that’s ten more percent!
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 11, 2009 11:22 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
That's B.S.
Nocioni has talents too, plays hard, can shoot, can drive can play defense….and is better when he’s on a team that plays hard….
Nocioni’s issue is that he has limitations but is trying to hard to overcompensate for other’s lack of effort.
by majoyenrac on Jan 12, 2009 9:48 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
see, it works!
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 12, 2009 10:36 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't pay attention
to Noc and the media, but I’ve watched him on the court and seen him very effective in the post season for us and in season’s past, not to mention seen him play very well on an Olympic team again last summer….and seen him play hard last year and this year when nobody else was trying….
THat’s enough to make me a fan…..
by majoyenrac on Jan 12, 2009 10:56 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
so this year doesn't count?
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by NormVanBeer on Jan 12, 2009 11:01 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He had a god awful stretch yes
But the team is playing like crap….
He did play god awful though.
And he wasn’t awful last year…..no siree bob, just a bit injured at times.
He’s been playing better.
Seriously Hinrich (And I think Hinrich’s better) was far worse for more $$ and more sig minutes than Noc. Noc had a very rough patch, but is improving a bit the last 3-4 weeks (throwing out th ebad shooting night of course).
Look at Deng, he’s way down too….that’s an effect of the system more than the player, add in that the bigs play no Defense at all, and Noc and Deng look terrible.
by majoyenrac on Jan 12, 2009 1:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The older one has that down.
His teachers all say he’s unusually sweet. He’s usually screaming at the top of his lungs about something within 5 minutes about being picked up from school.
I can picture Noc being about the same.
De gustibus non est disputandum
by Sports2 on Jan 12, 2009 2:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Noah's too weak
But he’s hardly not talented. He has a decent bball IQ and is active on the glass/boxing out and will deflect passes a bit. He has an issue with focus and a bigger issue with strength at this level….but to say he’[s a no talent is ridiculous.
Taps against he backboard for more boards is still something nobody else on this team does.
Noah’s not tapping on the boards to pad a stat, he’s doing it to position the ball away from his opponent to get a better handle to tip it to himself or a teammate.
Criticisng that is ridiculous as is saying Drew’s not bad because he can play defense when he wants to (well HE DOESN’T PLAY IT).
Look if Noah became strong, he’d be very effective in this league. He’s too damn weak and seems weaker this year than last year (real problem).
by majoyenrac on Jan 12, 2009 9:43 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Noah's not just weak
He’s pretty slow afoot and can’t jump all that high.
De gustibus non est disputandum
by Sports2 on Jan 12, 2009 2:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He's athletic enough
and can runt he court, I see his weakness, not his slowness….dig the blocks….
Hey Gyp…Dig the slowness
Sorry for the 60’s Donovan reference, I’m a child of the 90’s, but appreciate a little Donovan from time to time.
by majoyenrac on Jan 12, 2009 3:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
me too.
The thing is Noah is weak AND old; he is going to be 24 in February. To put that in perspective he is two months older than Deng!
by robinhood on Jan 11, 2009 4:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Newsflash
24 ain’t old. I know Deng’s still young, but that’s why Deng’s still very valuable despite a slow start this year.
Back 10 years ago, 24 would be young, now folks want to see Lebron’s or Chris Paul’s or D. Wade’s out of the gate.
Noah will be fine if he bulks up, and getting him the time on the court will help him get the rythym he needs…..
But he needs to work, or I stop candying his play….he’s a far cry from where he was last year unfortunately :(
by majoyenrac on Jan 11, 2009 8:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
There were two guards on the team that selfishly tried to force a shot in a two on one transition situation…it happened three times…Taking your thesis a step further, the selfish play last night was the downfall of the team…Paxson talked about needing to move the ball in the offense and they responded against the Wiz then regressed last night…16 assists on 40 made shots. Ugly. The inconsistency is so frustrating as a fan.
" I've looked at these numbers and decided the #1 problem
is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger
by Dionysus2.0 on Jan 11, 2009 11:15 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
At this point we should be thrilled about this loss. Seriously.
If we were to win, that might actually give the entire organization validation and we really do not want that to happen. Paxson needs to wallow in the pain of seeing the shitty product he threw on the floor. One year after he made excuses for this team saying certain players were distracted because of contracts and other things, we’re dealing with the same bullshit all over again. As of now, I am a Derrick Rose fan ONLY. Unless they start winning because of a trade or a coaching change, I’m rooting for chaos. Losses aren’t upsetting anymore and in actuality are probably better.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jan 11, 2009 1:12 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
It's sad
D rose has been a winner all his life but he has to be in this team full of shitness starting from top to bottom.
when are we going to add a 7th championship?
by broseleay301 on Jan 11, 2009 1:15 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well..
He technically hasn’t done much lately either so some of this is on him. He’ll improve though.
by gocubs40 on Jan 11, 2009 4:33 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Rose is being Passive on the Court...
I think Rose is being too passive. It seems that he is given way to Gordon and Hughes. On nights I’m interested in watching the games for no apparent reason. Rose gives up the ball too early once he reaches mid-court. I’m assuming he does this as respect to the pathetic veterans on this team that might be envious of Rose status. He might be trying to downplay the attention he’s getting by being submissive on the court and rewarding these goofs, instead of taking control of this team.
In the beginning of the season, Rose showed the ability to beat his man off the dribble on just about every play, but he’s more reluctant to do so, maybe because it’s the offensive set or defenses collapsing when he drives or too generous with the ball.
Whatever it maybe, Paxson really need to relieve the logjam at guard for the sake of the team and the growth and development (leader) of Rose. The only mission Hughes and Gordon have this season is to get paid. Gordon needs to show he’s more than just a shooter to cash-in over what the Bulls had offered. And Hughes’ has what I believe to be one year left and for some reason he thinks he’s an all-star, and make 90% of his shots. Last night game showed their selfishness to not run a proper fast break, but jack up very contested shots, instead of playing within the offense.
Pax get it together. There’s no semblance of a team here.
by Soloistic on Jan 11, 2009 2:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
that's usually what happens to high lottery picks, though...
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by chibullsfan03 on Jan 11, 2009 12:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You're a better man 4 missing this one
It was pretty painful…guys going through the motions being out hustled all night… Hughes and to a lesser extent Gordon having too much one on one… VDN seeing Goodens O and not watching his bad D night while Tyrus sat… No Thabo at all after his nice stretch was puzz,ing esp after Larrywas out of the offense all night…a bad Derrick game—he took some poor shots at bad times and wasn’t aggressive enough in the lull’s—tho Hughes and BG didn’t help—Gordon looked Great in 1st half. Not enougb Tyrus—esp in hustle spots, and Drew for as solid as he was in the 4th on O had one of his worst D games of late—saying a lot. We coasted cjnstantly looking like the better team until we got cold in the OT, but OKC deserved the win—had they tried to use Durant more they wou.d have annihilated us—a very dissapointing game
by majoyenrac on Jan 11, 2009 1:20 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
man you and i are somewhat alike
hook up your keyboard to your wii, makes life a bit easier….
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Jan 11, 2009 3:48 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Can you do that?
What kind of keyboard? How do you do it?
I’ve always thought that would be cool….
And just so yfbb doesn’t get mad at me. Bulls need to make a trade.
by majoyenrac on Jan 11, 2009 8:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
any keboard with a usb chord
plug and play baby!!! (that sounds wrong….)
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Jan 11, 2009 11:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Awesome
Yeah as I headed back to work and saw mine here, I was thinking….hmm wonder if that’s what you meant. I might be buying one.
We have a laptop at home (unfortunately our main laptop broke, so I either use my wife’s work laptop (I make twice the money she does, but oddly she’s got the laptop—go figure), or the Wii and lately it’s just easier to use the Wii…..though this typing thing’s a pain.
I’m ont he CPU all day anyway, so CPU’s at home don’t interest me too much, though they’re nice to have. We’ll buy a new one at some point this year.
Thanks. And again so Matt doesn’t flip out.
COme on Pax trade for O’Neal….or make a run at the very gettable David Lee….I know we have some contracts that extend past 2010, but the Knicks may want 1 player on the roster…..Hinrcih perhaps.
by majoyenrac on Jan 12, 2009 9:51 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yea also...
theres a program made by a group called RedKawa that actually made a bunch of programs for the wii and your cpu. It basically allows you to access videos on your computer (as well as music and other files) from your wii. You might want to look into that…
On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, majoyenrac, Bullshooter and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light!
by piccolomair on Jan 12, 2009 2:27 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Thabo was inactive due to illness,
but otherwise you are correct that VDN’s rotations stunk.
by Granny Waiters on Jan 11, 2009 4:23 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Thabo had the "Flu"
which typically means he was out late partying the night before…
Thabo being out meant lots of playing time for “big shot Larry” at he 3, which is part of why we were getting killed on the boards. We lost this game because we could not rebound plain and simple.
Now, I’m not saying Thabo is a great 3, but he’s better at the 3 than Larry.
by 72-10 on Jan 11, 2009 8:46 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
damnit, he was out?
that ruins most of my complaints about Vinny. There’s always benching Tyrus all 4th&OT!
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 11, 2009 12:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
...and the benching of Gordon for the first 8 minutes of the 4th
which arguably caused us to lose the game (along with Tyrus’ inexplicable benching, of course).
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by Illini15 on Jan 11, 2009 12:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
something bothering me the last few games
Vinny sitting Rose and Gordon at the same time.
I can see the need to pare down Rose’s minutes, but Gordon can play a full 48 if the minutes situation is that dire. At the very least never have both him and Rose sitting at the same time.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 11, 2009 12:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It's amost like
he enjoys challenging conventional basketball wisdom just to show how well he can manipulate the roster when it comes to ‘matchups’ and ‘rotations.’ Sickening, really. The guy is abominably clueless and, sadly, appear to have no real grip on how to coach an NBA team. But hey, he’ll learn at least!!!!!!
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by Illini15 on Jan 11, 2009 1:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You know he could really pare down their combined absences
if he made Gordon a 6th man :o)
by CJ Bulls on Jan 11, 2009 2:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The situation though
Wasn’t that dire. THe Bulls were going through the motions all night, while OKC played hard. THen Vinny loused it up by keeping BG out way too long and not playing T2, while Drew became the all star offensive player he thinks he is, and he had a nice offensive run, but forgot to play any D whatsoever, having one of those village idiot games that don’t show up in th estats per se.
by majoyenrac on Jan 11, 2009 8:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
I thought Tyrus looked again like a bright spot when he played.
And Gordon was brought back in WAYYY too late and then looked rusty, ruining what was a good game for him earlier.
by majoyenrac on Jan 11, 2009 8:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It's really too bad
Thabo was sick tonight otherwise Hughes wouldn’t have played so much. They are saying Kirk could be back this week so he is another option for keeping Hughes off the floor. I don’t expect Kirk to play much his first few games back but any less minutes of Hughes would be great.
by sue369 on Jan 11, 2009 12:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No minutes for Hughes please
I hope Kirk is smoking hot good right away. I’ll take the bumps and bruises back to full health with Kirk’s minutes. Larry is the untreatable cancer wherever he goes.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Jan 11, 2009 12:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He's highly treatable;
sit him on the bench. :)
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by MPG on Jan 11, 2009 1:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think
Hughes is back in a jack em up state, because he’s been given an a-ok to seek for a trade.
Because he hasn’t played like he did the last 2 nights since the preseason….
by majoyenrac on Jan 11, 2009 8:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Is basketball a second language to our players?
Seriously. The collective lack of basketball IQ and blatant selfishness being shown is right on par for the 07/08 team…Not shocking. If Paxson needs motivation to make a trade, guilt for assembling this team should provide more than enough. Not to mention the bang up job that PaxDorf did with their “out of the box” thinking in hiring their monument to bad 80’s hair in Vinny.
by idel212 on Jan 11, 2009 1:34 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Well.. this is as low as it gets
If I don’t wake up to a trade tomorrow, I’m done watching.
by gobulls1124 on Jan 11, 2009 1:35 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I got drunk and hit on old ladies tonight...
When I saw that the bulls lost to the fucking thunder in OT, I drank myself into oblivion and walked home from mthe bar alone, hoping to a) be the victim mof a drive by shooting…b)get run over by a car or c)get eaten by a fat chick.
I’m going to sleep alone and the bulls lost at home to the thunder. There is no God.
by kwintz on Jan 11, 2009 3:27 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I saw an amazingly
large percentage of this game, considering the Cardinals played at the same time. (There really is a lot of down time or commercial minutes in an NFL playoff game.)
Bulls’ players I love to watch: Rose, Sefolosha, Thomas, Gordon.
Bulls’ players I hate to watch: Hughes, Nocioni, Gooden, Gordon.
And it’s a bit of a distant memory now, but I seem to recall enjoying Deng quite a lot as well.
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by marionette on Jan 11, 2009 4:22 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Deng looked good sitting on the bench in his suit.
Having Deng available would have been a great improvement, since H***** started (and stunk) at the 3.
by Granny Waiters on Jan 11, 2009 4:26 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Thomas
had the highest +/- of any player on the team today…. he got a 0
by 72-10 on Jan 11, 2009 8:51 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Watching the game
It actually looked like their best play was when TT and Noah were on the court together, and gee, they had the two best +/-‘s. Who’da thunk?
by California Al on Jan 11, 2009 9:32 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Nevahhhhh we need Drew Gooden's amazing low post scoring
Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
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by Ozzie Montana on Jan 11, 2009 9:46 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
STOP SAYING THAT
There are innocemt young lurkers out there on the net.
by California Al on Jan 11, 2009 10:03 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm watching the game a second time
Besides the pain, Tyrus was pretty pathetic last night.
Last night he was once again jogging up court in transition. This leaves him at the top of the circle when the action is in the paint on dribble penetration from Rose and Gordon. He’s not around to clean up the glass, get put back dunks, and all because he never hustled his ass to change ends.
On possessions after OKC shot makes, Tyrus has no idea where to position himself on the floor. He’s not flashing into the paint. On drives he moves to the baseline underneath the basket. He’s mostly a spectator.
It’s bad. What makes it worse is watching Nick Collison perform the way Tyrus could perform every night. Set screens and just roll to the rim. Start boxing out as soon as the shot is put up. Collison was bullying Gooden around, but he did demonstrate exactly what Tyrus’ offensive game should look like. Just screen and roll to the rim to catch.
It is a bigger problem that Gooden and Hughes are on the floor. Both of them mess up any kind of offensive strategy. Gooden is poor because he has no contract after this season so he’s forcing all sorts of action. He doesn’t want to roll to the rim either. Probably doesn’t want the contact that might get him injured.
Hughes just wants to shoot. He won’t move without the ball to get his man out of the paint. The opponents want him to shoot so they can sag off him to protect the paint. He really gives us nothing of benefit on offense and literally is the 6th man for the opponent.
I gotta go to work on two fanposts. One to describe how Tyrus Thomas is going to be effective for the remainder of the season. And two to describe why Gooden and Hughes have to not play or be traded as soon as possible.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Jan 11, 2009 10:21 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Tyrus is going to be effective if he has his head out of his ass
I’m surprised nobody has pointed at Tyrus when talking about how we got destroyed on the boards last night. 2 rebounds in 25 minutes? If this were Eddy Curry, there’d be six fanposts about it.
De gustibus non est disputandum
by Sports2 on Jan 11, 2009 10:44 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The team effort
With Curry, who did we have to kick around beyond Eddy?
Hughes and Gooden are poor players, but they cannot be scapegoats for Thomas being out of position.
I do think Curry was often times in position, but just had no heart to go and get the ball. Thomas has the heart to get the ball, but is rarely in position to get a rebound.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Jan 11, 2009 10:55 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Gooden
DId play hard on offense…I just wish after he continually was not interested on D, Vinny would have sat him and said, Drew, appreciate the effort on the O end, but you need to give even 10% effort on D….
Because had Drew doen that, he would have had a good game. He was playing well on O….but the lack of D pressure, was very disappointing…..especially because he CAN do it and does every 3-4 games.
by majoyenrac on Jan 11, 2009 8:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
if it were LaMarcus Aldridge
there’d be calls for getting him an all-star appearance
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 11, 2009 12:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Too busy keeping the ball from getting to the rim?
Instead of taking it off? Dunno.
Viva la nuance! Reading comprehension rules!!!
by tyger1147 on Jan 11, 2009 12:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
"It is a bigger problem that Gooden and Hughes are on the floor."
amen to that. Tyrus didn’t play great either. But I also didn’t think he played bad, he wasn’t forcing things and there was no reason to bench him for the end of the game.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 11, 2009 12:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
and he had 4 blocks in, what, 25 minutes?
That’s very impressive.
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by Illini15 on Jan 11, 2009 12:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You could watch THAT game twice
Kudos to you.
Thanks for the info though, watching it live I thought T2 looked good, active and was effective….but I’ll take your word as one of the better posters here imho.
by majoyenrac on Jan 11, 2009 8:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't even catch that
you watched that twice???
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 11, 2009 11:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
2nd time viewing for Tyrus
On the first viewing I thought Tyrus was active enough to get about 30 minutes as has been occurring more frequently as of recently. But then not seeing him at all in the 4th and OT I thought Tyrus had to have done something to get benched for 17 minutes straight.
On the 2nd viewing, it became clear right away that Tyrus was using his minutes to make it very difficult for the coaches to play him. The walking up court, the standing under the basket on the baseline, the spectator view from the court watching Rose and Gordon try to penetrate: all of this happened in the first 4 minutes when OKC jumped out to a 7-0 lead. The crowd was booing already. But these are mostly offensive lapses. On the defensive end OKC took down 8 offensive rebounds in the first quarter.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Jan 12, 2009 11:19 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
well, I'm sure he learned his lesson
(or not)
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 12, 2009 11:33 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
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12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Jan 11, 2009 7:34 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
What was it though
After the first quarter…because it seemed like in Q’s 2 and 3 they weren’t so dominant, then in the OT everythng went their way.
THey had like 9 boards, 7 offensive before we had 4 pts…..it was ridiculous.
by majoyenrac on Jan 11, 2009 8:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Same old story
No ball movement, no defensive rotations, Drew Gooden and his eighteen footers, burying Tyrus on the bench (particularly after he showed some life in the 2nd half getting to the rim), crowding Rose’s side of the floor with ineffective screen rolls that made it actually harder for him to get to the basket), the inability to block out or get tough boards in the paint (I would have loved it if the Westbrook putback went in at the end of regulation), Larry Hughes, etc.
This all results from the disastrous summer of ’06. I know we had money to burn and that we made the 2nd round of the playoffs that year (though I think PJ had more to do with that defensively than Ben), but man does that signing stink.
by Gene Banks on Jan 11, 2009 8:05 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
PJ
Played like crap for us that year. Ben Wallace was still interested, and while he didn’t try until January, he was effective for us that second half and really was our best player in the series against the Pistons (2nd round bc nobody else did anything).
I know it’s easy to dismiss BW completely because of his complete lack of effort for the club last year and for all the headbandgate crap his first year and that’s deservedly so, but he DID play VERY well down the stretch in 2006-2007 for us. Not quite his Pistons glory days great, but a far cry from the crap we saw last year.
Still I went from being a big BW fan when he was on the Pistons (he and Chauncey were reasons I liked their championship year), but he did give up last year and that was ridiculous. He should pay everyone who went to a game last year the price for 1 of their tickets.
by majoyenrac on Jan 11, 2009 8:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
They couldn't score on 2-on-1 fast breaks!
…but then again it was Hughes and BG, who probbaly aren’t aware that passing is legal in the NBA.
by bullsfaninbigapple on Jan 11, 2009 10:36 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
After last night
can anyone deny that Gordon and Hughes are cut from the same cloth?
Well, okay, I can think of one person.
those two are a cancer, don’t make others better, and need to be traded for WHATEVER we can get.
by hlac on Jan 11, 2009 10:51 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Gordon is like a skilled Hughes.
But I definitely wouldn’t call him a cancer.
by potato0328 on Jan 11, 2009 2:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll deny it!
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 11, 2009 2:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
well,
that should make you happy, since it means we don’t need to resign BG with this..
Thanks Rose1 for putting together this proposition. Im not trying to claim it, i just love it so much i try to spread it around..
by simonswiss on Jan 11, 2009 5:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Gordon's D
Was impressive through quarters 1-3….I think Vinny brought BG in WAY too late in the 4th with 4 minutes 14 seconds left….and Ben reverting to his have to do too much ways and failed. He was having another solid game before that. THat’s more on the coach than on Ben.
by majoyenrac on Jan 11, 2009 8:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Derrick Rose's hair will turn all white by the end of the season.
VDN sucks. And the Bulls don’t have one legitimate center who doesn’t leave the lane wide open; saw Gooden/Noah get dunked on repeatedly by shorter players against OKC. Turnovers at the end of the 4th by Gooden and other teammates were horrible. Players not named Rose won’t pass even to an open Rose NEXT TO THE BASKET on the fast break.
The Bulls just lost to the worst team in the league.I don’t care if OKC is better now than 20 games ago.
It’s not VDN’s fault that the team has no viable center, and that their previous best player (Deng) is injured or mediocre now….but I still get this feeling VDN is a short-term cheap coach and he will replace Paxson, while the Bulls either get somebody better or promote Harris or Bickerstaff to head coach.
VDN was hired to be the painful coach of this team to show that he is a team player; so he will play players that Jerry & Pax want him to play; AND SO THAT THE TEAM DOES NOT WIN 50 GAMES BECAUSE OF THE HUGHES CONTRACT PENALTY. Because considering what D’Antoni can do with the Knicks and CHRIS DUHON, winning 50 games with Derrick Rose and last year’s bunch of underperformers would have been considered feasible (50/50 chance) before the coaching decision was made.
Why would Jerry pay extra millions to D’Antoni and lose another mill to Hughes when the place will be packed because of Chicago resident Rose anyway?
by KentuckyBullsFan on Jan 11, 2009 11:19 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
this stinks
Tyrus only had the 2 boards last night, but he still shows signs of improvement. lately it just seems like the game is slowing for him a bit, he’s playing more within himself. but his lack of hustle to get up the floor is concerning. and you’d figure with a PG like Rose he’d be sprinting for an alley-oop. and he did get hosed on that lob pass in the third that he missed after Collison just put two hands in his gut. Tyrus didn’t get any run in the 4th or OT??? you gotta be kidding me!!! even when Noah fouled out, Vinny goes with Noc. makes me sick.
i’m really thinking Pax hasn’t made a trade because he thinks this roster is legit when everyone his healthy. so that’s what they’re waiting on. i really hope that is not the case.
and just a sidenote: OKC is gonna be good in about 2 years. they have to bonafide scorers in Durant and Westbrook. Green has potential. Collison is no world beater, but i’ve always liked him since he came out of college and have seen him have some good games. remember he missed a whole year cause of surgery on BOTH shoulders. but i’ll take 10/10 any night.
if Ricky Williams averages 3.5 yards a carry, and you give it to him 3 times, he should get you the first down. -Dave Wannstedt
by BULLieving in Miami on Jan 11, 2009 12:31 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
"even when Noah fouled out, Vinny goes with Noc. makes me sick. "
That was classic Vinny.
“need someone…who’s older?? Noc!”
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 11, 2009 12:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i know Dorf is playing somewhat cheapskate owner...
it seems to me that another coach could possibly be getting more out of this roster. i don’t even wanna bring up D’Antoni, but another coach who actually knows how to manage line-ups would be having better success. i could be wrong. but they definitely don’t have an identity right now. i hate to say it, but the one thing i loved about Skiles, and the thing i bragged about to my non-Bulls buddies, was that they seemed to show up to play for Skiles. they were tenacious on D and fluid on O. i don’t think Vinny will last longer than 2 or 3 years anyways. i’m hoping Dorf will spend money on a good coach once this team is ready to make the next step. but i hate that. when you knew you were gonna have a stud in Rose, why not get that coach now and establish that identity now. hey, again, i don’t think coaching makes a huge difference, but having an organizational philosophy definitely does.
if Ricky Williams averages 3.5 yards a carry, and you give it to him 3 times, he should get you the first down. -Dave Wannstedt
by BULLieving in Miami on Jan 11, 2009 12:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
How is he playing cheapskate owner.
When the Bulls have the 12th highest payroll?
" I've looked at these numbers and decided the #1 problem
is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger
by Dionysus2.0 on Jan 11, 2009 6:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Um, have you looked at the Bulls' yearly revenue recently?
When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer
by Illini15 on Jan 11, 2009 7:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
this is who you choose to defend
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 11, 2009 11:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It's Scott Brooks
Moved Durant to the 3. Asked his bigs to do what they can, roll to the front of the rim on every single high screen for Durant, Watson, or Westbrook.
The main problem with Tyrus is the hustle. He changes end like he is the PG bringing up the ball on shot makes. He’s last up the floor way too often and way too early in the game. He should be on his horse like Al Horford and changing ends like a machine. Rim to rim on every possession. If he does this he will get lots of shots and get hacked a lot.
We need a trade like Blagojevich needs another political appointment.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on Jan 11, 2009 12:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think you got that metaphor correct...
I agree on the potential Tyrus could have if he was like that. There’s two type of fans: those who choose to live with it and accept the good he brings while hoping he eventually gets it, or morons those who think it’s benchable and would rather see worse players to send a message.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 11, 2009 12:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
if his potential alone doesn't get him minutes...
at the very least his play of late should get him minutes. if you pair him with Gooden at the end last night, with how Gooden was playing on offense, and Tyrus being aggressive, i don’t think they’re bigs could’ve kept up. and at the least Tyrus could make up for Gooden’s defensive inefficiencies, perhaps but a block or two on Collison.
if Ricky Williams averages 3.5 yards a carry, and you give it to him 3 times, he should get you the first down. -Dave Wannstedt
by BULLieving in Miami on Jan 11, 2009 12:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
this definitely goes without saying
but Larry really pissed me off last night. until recently, i had been tolerant of him. he was playing ok. all this, obviously before he starting bitching. but last night he goofed TWO 2-on-1 opportunities. first of all, at 29 or 30 or however old he is, i’ve never seen a player jump worse than he does. i remember him jamming on people when he was in Philly. secondly, EVERY TIME i’ve sen Larry out on a break this year, i don’t think i’ve ever seen him pass the ball to his running mate. EVER!!!. so damn frustrating. for a guy that can’t score on anyone going to the basket, why can’t he just give it up for the easy two?!? why does this guy have to be so selfish?!?
if Ricky Williams averages 3.5 yards a carry, and you give it to him 3 times, he should get you the first down. -Dave Wannstedt
by BULLieving in Miami on Jan 11, 2009 1:09 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Why pass the ball when there's no consequences for being selfish?
When your dumbass coach is too scared to pull you at for playing like an ass on the court, then obviously this type of behavior is going to continue. The funniest part is that Vinny said after the game that this selfish play on the fast break “would be addressed,” yet somehow he couldn’t just sack up like a normal NBA coach and pull the guy for doing such bonehead stuff on the court? Ridiculous.
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by Illini15 on Jan 11, 2009 1:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
meh
unfortunately Thabo was out. So who can he pull Hughes for? Nocioni’s just as selfish (if less intentionally) and I’d rather not see him be two steps behind Durant all night.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 11, 2009 1:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd rather him put Noc at the 3
so at the least Tyrus could play the 4.
…oh wait, he was playing Noah and Gooden over Tyrus last night, so nevermind.
When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer
by Illini15 on Jan 11, 2009 1:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i think we missed Thabo a lot last night
he has also been improved lately. i think we can only hope for baby steps with all these guys.
MJ said not to give the ball to Bill Cartwright late in games. do you blame him??
by BULLieving in Miami on Jan 11, 2009 1:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Play Gray at the 5, Gooden at the 4 and TT at the 3.
That lineup may stink, but at least it would get Larry Un-Legend off the floor.
by Granny Waiters on Jan 11, 2009 8:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Woh hoh hoh
Hold on there, Noc is nowhere near as selfish. He can take some bad shots, but he isn’t doing that as often this year….and last year was a joke—who wouldn’t have been selfish….
Noc is nowhere near Hughes….and unfortuntately the trade talks have resumed the life of the un-legend.
by majoyenrac on Jan 11, 2009 8:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It will be addressed
“Hey guys, stop being so selfish.” I’m sure that will take care of the problem!
Why resort to name calling?
-Dionysus2.0
because I wish to insult you personally
-your friendly BullsBlogger
by Big D on Jan 11, 2009 1:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
if that doesn't work, follow with this:
“c’mon”
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 11, 2009 2:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And then
“Please, I’ll be your best friend.”
And then “please or my brother will beat up your brother”.
by majoyenrac on Jan 11, 2009 8:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
This is why he took away their food
Now he can give BACK the food to get them to do something he wants.
LEVERAGE.
“Geez, guys, I really wanna address this issue, and, uh, we gotta make good plays out there, ya know? I mean, c’mon”
Then Vinny takes a large oversized comb out of his backpocket and feathers his bangs.
Mortimer
by Mortimer on Jan 12, 2009 4:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Didnt get to watch the game
but wow, VDN has to be brain dead.
http://popcornmachine.net/cgi-bin/gameflow.cgi?date=20090110&game=OKCCHI
by reprisal on Jan 11, 2009 4:56 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
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