Available players, who do Bulls fans want?
Do the Bulls need to make a deal for players who will help now like Maggette, Dalembert, Miller, Kaman?
Should the Bulls target players who are 2010 friendly (Jermaine O'Neal, Miller, etc) or go for draft picks (by trading off some of the guard glut)?
It is important that the team choose an identity and go with it and add players who build on that identity. Players and/or specific trade ideas would be appreciated in this thread.
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I'm gonna delude myself a bit
This team doesn’t need draft picks or middle of the way talent, we need a solid two guard (if we lose BG) or big man (assuming BG’s our off guard) to make us a playoff level team.
We know the coaching staff never had any luck developing big men.
by Alighieri on
Jan 1, 2009 6:54 PM CST
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Thanks Ali. Joe Johnson would seem to be a good fit or maybe Rudy Fernandez though both are likely unavailable.
Amare or Bosh would also be great but same story.
by ikez78 on
Jan 1, 2009 6:59 PM CST
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Another option I'm starting to like
is somehow dumping Hughes’ contract this season, then offering a big contract to Paul Millsap this offseason. Everyone’s talking about Boozer as a free agent possibility, but Millsap is four years younger, a better defender (Boozer can’t play D), and his recent string of 16 straight double doubles and 20.3 PER makes me think he’ll soon be a bonafide star.
If we throw a six year contract at Millsap for say, $11 mil per, I doubt the Jazz match, and we’ll still have enough to extend Gordon and stay under the luxury tax.
Rose – Gordon – Deng – Millsap – Noah doesn’t seem like a championship team on paper, but I think Rose’s supporting cast would be better than Chris Paul’s supporting cast, and the Hornets were a #2 seed last year.
by YaoPau on
Jan 1, 2009 7:24 PM CST
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I LIKE THIS PLAN.
"You remember the first time you picked up a basketball video game and you had no idea how to run plays, so you just gave the ball to your shooter and you ran around the court aimlessly until a defender was far enough away and then you jacked up a shot? THAT IS LARRY HUGHES!"
-Anonymous fan letter, heylarryhughespleasestoptakingsomanybadshots.com
by Prevenge on
Jan 1, 2009 8:50 PM CST
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Not that this really matters to us in this scenario...
but I have a feeling the Jazz are thinking about going for Millsap over Boozer.
by smash! on
Jan 1, 2009 8:54 PM CST
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Yeah,
that’s the big problem with it. :/
"You remember the first time you picked up a basketball video game and you had no idea how to run plays, so you just gave the ball to your shooter and you ran around the court aimlessly until a defender was far enough away and then you jacked up a shot? THAT IS LARRY HUGHES!"
-Anonymous fan letter, heylarryhughespleasestoptakingsomanybadshots.com
by Prevenge on
Jan 1, 2009 9:01 PM CST
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Actually, it might not matter if they're going for Millsap
Larry Miller, owner of the Jazz, has stated he won’t pay the luxury tax. With Deron Williams’ extension bumping him from $5 mil to $13 mil next season, the Jazz have $58.5 million on the books next season without Boozer or Millsap – and that’s paying for just eight players.
The luxury tax should be up a bit from the $71.15 figure this year, meaning the Jazz have $12.5 million to spend. If we bid $11 mil for Millsap, it puts the Jazz in a bind.
by YaoPau on
Jan 1, 2009 9:23 PM CST
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Then it appears the Jazz
will be in a bind either way…
They will not lose both of those guys in free agency next summer, and both players should command salary near the $10M per range…unless of course they are targeting Drew Gooden for $7M per…
" I've looked at these numbers and decided the #1 problem
is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger
by Dionysus2.0 on
Jan 1, 2009 10:15 PM CST
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You know
They are hinting because of the economy that the luxury tax threshold might move downwards (First since 2001-2002)…I think I read this today on foxsports.com/nba
by majoyenrac on
Jan 2, 2009 8:28 AM CST
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Problem might be
that Boozer is hurt and Boozer has a player option…..considering what happened with Arenas’s knee issues, and what happened with Elton Brand’s relatively lackluster return from knee issues, and the fact that the big 2010 class is emerging (And that Boozer has had a lot of past injuries)….Boozer might just be likely to resign for next year and try the big fa class of 2010. When healthy, Boozer’s as good as any fa not named James, Dirk, Bosh, Stoudemire or Wade….so he will still be in the running for a BIG contract.
by majoyenrac on
Jan 2, 2009 8:26 AM CST
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FYI
just so you know, you can only offer 6 year deals to players who’s “Larry Bird rights” you own (ie. they were on your team as their contract expired). The longest we could offer is a 5 year deal.
by Jamaicanpi on
Jan 1, 2009 9:09 PM CST
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I'm usually skeptical of contract year players.
For the last 2 he’s been a relative unknown who’s a bit like Tyrus in terms of athleticism and lack of basketball IQ.
In fact, contract year eruptions are basically why we have Hughes’ contract on our hands.
But still, solid idea. I’d do it in a heartbeat.
by Alighieri on
Jan 1, 2009 9:35 PM CST
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Eh, he's just 23
and as a 2nd round pick, every year has been a contract year for him. I’m not sure if that really supports my point, haha.
But for his career, he has a 17.6 PER and .570 TS%. That would be #1 on the Bulls in both categories. He’s been a few steps ahead of Tyrus his whole career.
by YaoPau on
Jan 1, 2009 9:48 PM CST
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This isn't a parlay for money
It’s a classic case of a young player with potential who gradually gets more minutes and improves his production. He’s not a perfect PF, nowhere nearly as refined offensively as Boozer. But for a team like Chicago that is just aching for a big man with skills he’s a great guy to sign.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/millspa01.html
Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
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by Ozzie Montana on
Jan 2, 2009 12:00 AM CST
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If you look at the 2006 draft on paper, we did a hell of a good job...
drafting LaMarcus Aldridge and Rodney Carney. :/
by smash! on
Jan 2, 2009 11:04 AM CST
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good idea
I should have posted Milsap or Boozer as an option Yao.
by ikez78 on
Jan 1, 2009 7:33 PM CST
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Acquirable players I want
Brandon Rush (sg)
Gerald Wallace (sf)
Carl Landry (pf)
Roy Hibbert ©
I would love Millsap, I just don’t think we can get enough under the cap to get him.
Gerald Wallace was supposedly being back before the Richardson to PHX deal.
Landry is not getting enough PT because of the forward glut in Houston.
Rush and Hibbert and playing okay, but Indiana sucks and I think they would be willing to part with both of them.
by Jamaicanpi on
Jan 1, 2009 9:30 PM CST
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Sweet!
Yeah copyright is exactly what I want. I want to copyright Hibbert (Stupid software…)
by Jamaicanpi on
Jan 1, 2009 9:31 PM CST
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Um...
I think Charles “Bo” Outlaw is a free agent, thus we would be able to sign him outright for the veterans minimum…and I also think at 37 years old, he is done.
" I've looked at these numbers and decided the #1 problem
is that Ben Gordon is selfish..." -your friendly bulls blogger
by Dionysus2.0 on
Jan 1, 2009 10:11 PM CST
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I think he meant Travis Outlaw,
or at least I hope.
"You remember the first time you picked up a basketball video game and you had no idea how to run plays, so you just gave the ball to your shooter and you ran around the court aimlessly until a defender was far enough away and then you jacked up a shot? THAT IS LARRY HUGHES!"
-Anonymous fan letter, heylarryhughespleasestoptakingsomanybadshots.com
by Prevenge on
Jan 1, 2009 10:27 PM CST
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lol
1st page result =

Why does fat chance = slim chance?
by prezofdeath on
Jan 5, 2009 11:55 PM CST
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ha sorry for no explanation
I was going to say….it’s a common mistake EVERYONE in the league makes. Do a Google image search for Bo Outlaw, and you’ll end up with Travis Outlaw pictures galore.
Why does fat chance = slim chance?
by prezofdeath on
Jan 5, 2009 11:56 PM CST
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I dont care who we get as long as Aaron Gray leaves.
What happens when Kirk comes back?
by Nextgen on
Jan 1, 2009 11:53 PM CST
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What? Why?
What do you hate about Aaron Gray? He is slow, but not enough to act like he is the worst player in the NBA or some kind of poison on our team.
My name isn't Ron... I run a DJ and Karaoke business named Kidron Music... my name is Jesse...
by kidronmusic on
Jan 2, 2009 3:54 AM CST
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Aaron Gray is also a 2nd year minimum salary player,
so if nothing else he is worth a roster spot as a big body for practices. A lot of teams would be content to have Gray for that reason, even if he only played during “garbage time”.
If VDN plays Gray too much, blame VDN (or Pax for not getting VDN a better option at the 5).
by Granny Waiters on
Jan 2, 2009 5:51 PM CST
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Sure Aaron is effective in short spurts, but when he starts
the Bulls are down at the 1st quarter every time he starts.
What happens when Kirk comes back?
by Nextgen on
Jan 3, 2009 6:03 PM CST
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Could that be because the
team isn’t very good? Or coached well?
My name isn't Ron... I run a DJ and Karaoke business named Kidron Music... my name is Jesse...
by kidronmusic on
Jan 5, 2009 8:41 PM CST
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I would love to get Chris Kaman....
but he is not available. I think they should go after Brad Miller that would give them some experience in the middle. A guy that has made a career of scoring in the post and knows how to play. We also need a strong personality in the middle. I think the Bulls better open that purse for BG in the off season. He’s played pretty strong this season and showed some leadership too. He and Rose are two very dangerous guards if you look at both their college careers (Rose only 1) but BG won a championship at UCon. Get them a Brad Miller and a healthy Deng and they could do some damage this year and maybe next.
by Beeman18 on
Jan 2, 2009 8:03 AM CST
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Why look at the college careers of DR and BG?
Both have proven they are (at least) starting quality players at the NBA level.
by Granny Waiters on
Jan 2, 2009 5:54 PM CST
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Clean house...
would be what’s needed if they can find some takers. TT has so much talent but doesn’t always listen. I would keep him and get rid of Noah, Hughes (bad apple), Gooden (for someone with size, defense, and a strong rebounding game), Hinrich (only in the off season to make room for Gordon or to get another Big with offense), and C. Simmons.
I would keep Gray (B. Miller can teach him somethings and if Brad decides to retire in a year or two hire him as a Big man coach if he can teach), I would keep Thabo (he gives good size in the backcourt with Gordon and Rose and can play the 3), L. Hunter (until we get a serviceable PG to come off the bench for Rose. Someone thats been in the league for awhile but younger than L. Hunter), T. Thomas (last year…make him show you he deserves to be here this season.), and sign Gordon in the offseason he deserves it. Make him make his money by making him and Rose captains next year. L. Deng needs to step it up or I would sell his ass in a second. LOL.
by Beeman18 on
Jan 2, 2009 8:16 AM CST
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Unfortunately for me
I don’t think any of these players are going to be real game changers for our team…..so for now I say unfortunately hold out….
We should try to make a play for Marion (not listed here)…..have him on our books for the rest of this year, then decide if he can change us and if not let him go for BG’s contract.
To me, while Marion hasn’t quite been playing like the Marion of old, Marion’s biggest strength is on the break, and with Rose and BG, we are best on the break…..
Marion can defend quite well too.
I think the Bulls should pursue Marion hard. Offer the Heat Gooden-Noah-Hinrich for Marion. Hinrich’s the unfortunate loss here, but with our needs he’s a goner….I like Kirk and think it a bit unfair that his rep is hurt in the league because he always did what was asked of him (tried to defend last year to overcompensate for BG and Deng not playing D early, fine with his role, hard working, guarding the 3 spot on defense despite giving up 5 inches on average and athleticism, and doing a fine job)….Kirk’s a good player, but he’s no Derrick Rose…
We lose Noah too, but Noah’s been a bit of a head case and won’t do the same things on the Heat….
But we gain Marion, a player who is perhaps overpaid and was perhaps overhyped in Phx, but he’s got a HUGE expring contract, and while he might never have been the superstar he wanted to be, he is a bonafied all star quality player, who oddly is not being utilized as well in the Heat.
I like him for the expiring nature of his contract, the athleticism, and the defense.
It would be interesting to really try a D’Antoni-ized small ball lineup that Vinny likes and play the rest of this year with a lineup of
Rose-Gordon-Deng-Marion-Tyrus.
We give up a lot of height, but that is perhaps the most athletic starting 5 in the league, and we might outrun every team out there. Tyrus and Marion give up height but make it up in leaping ability.
THis lineup is far from winning it all, but maybe if Marion works, we can resign him for a 3 yr deal for maybe $10-12M/yr.
THis offseason we work on ridding Hughes for cap relief…..as Hughes’s value will increase with the 2010 prospect class….
by majoyenrac on
Jan 2, 2009 8:38 AM CST
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i like the idea
but i’d rather throw larry hughes into that trade than hinrich. of course kirk isn’t a true scorer like hughes, but i think you’d see a lot more flexibility with a three guard rotation of rose, ben and kirk. rose and gordon can both score enough to make up for hinrich, who is probably just as good, if not better, than larry hughes at spot up 3’s and j’s. plus you keep hinrich’s dependable defense and a good clubhouse personality to boot. i think ball movement would be a lot better with kirk in the lineup because he’s not the type to get the ball and instantly start looking for his shot. you can always tell when hughes is on the floor because offensive passing slows down as he holds onto the ball and tries to dribble for his shot.
kirk would be a great rotation player to hold onto for the future, i just wish we could restructure his deal somehow so that he was getting paid accordingly.
by jpm356 on
Jan 2, 2009 2:19 PM CST
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Rule #1 is:
You don’ t trade away big for small. Trading away both Gooden and Noah for Shawn Marion would violate this principle. The only exception is if the big is garbage and the smaller player is a prerennial all star…I do like the possibilities with Marion though.
Why not some combination of Noah and Hughes OR Hinrich and Gooden OR Hinrich Noah and Thabo for Marion (my personal favorite). Gets us under the cap quicker, since Marion comes off the books after this season as does Gooden, Hughes next season…
Then go after Bosh or Amare (both?) and Wade (dare I say LeBron?) in 2010.
by Carlitro on
Jan 2, 2009 11:16 AM CST
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I understand your points completely....
Problem is, I don’t think with Hughes and Noah, that’s enough for the Bulls to get a bite.
That’s been the whole problem with our guards…..I mean thank God it worked with Rose, but while we have great guards, it’s easier to get guards and thus they’re not as valuable in trades as big men…
I think we roll with the punches. I know this lineup isn’t perfect, but it’ll be an entertaining run with the athleticism, and having Marion and then Hughes come off the books in successive years is enough in cap relief to do the necessary tweaks to get a few great pieces to play alongside Rose.
I know everyone wants us to get a big, or get a Bosh or Stoudemire (me included). Hell Kaman’s getting a lock of support here, not because Kaman’s that good, but because our Bigs are That Bad and Kaman’s better than anything we have. But Kaman isn’t likely the answer we need and will cause us not to improve dramatically with Deng, Kaman locked up at big salaries……and assume we resign Gordon, that’s tough….
No I’d rather have the flexibility. With the plethora of big time stars available all at the same time, there is bound to be a few who play the market and stumble, not because they aren’t great players, but with teams jockeying for cap room, there likely will only be 2-3 max players in a free agent list that ideally would have 6-7 max talents….
So I think big market Bulls with the athleticism, and fun to play possibilities that you’d think a run and gun team would offer, we might do well to market this dysfunctional team to top talents in search for a new home and a longer contract….
I don’t know.
I agree 100% in principle that you don’t give away all size for talents, unless maybe you get a Wade/Lebron/Kobe….but in this instance, is Drew’s lack of D really helping us (And his guard like offensive approach)? Is Noah’s lack of preparation and consistent off the court issues (last year and this year’s fines)…
While Marion and Thomas would give up inches, they’d together add athleticism and speed and have the ability to defend bigger guys thanks to their athleticism….
We won’t win it all with this lineup (likely) but it should be a very entertaining crew….with Nocioni, Gray, Hughes (1 more year if not just through the rest of this season) coming off the bench to add a different dynamic.
by majoyenrac on
Jan 2, 2009 11:56 AM CST
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Of course
when I said guards are easier to get than big men….Derrick Rose likely would command several all stars in trade talks, but he’s not going anywhere (and if he did Pax should get the axe 5 seconds after the fact).
by majoyenrac on
Jan 2, 2009 11:58 AM CST
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Maggette has been a Warrior for two months
And they’re already trying to get rid of him. That should tell you something. He’s a decent player, but his contract is just terrible.
Why resort to name calling?
-Dionysus2.0
because I wish to insult you personally
-your friendly BullsBlogger
by Big D on
Jan 2, 2009 12:27 PM CST
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I want Bosh
Any package we can put together than doesn’t involve Rose is good in my book.
I don’t think any of the other bigs available in 2010 will do more for us than what Bosh can do. Bosh will give us work at both ends.
12/31: Fire Vinny Del Negro.
by NBA Observer on
Jan 2, 2009 3:10 PM CST
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um, sure.
I think this goes without saying, actually.
USE THE SOFTWARE. Actions-> Rec/Flag. Reply to comments with the reply button. Rec good fanposts/fanshots so the crud gets pushed down.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Jan 2, 2009 3:35 PM CST
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Easier said than done.
Actually chances of Raptors Chris Bosh to Chicago in a trade 0% thats rite
Z-E-R-O chance of CB4 coming to Chicago in a trade.
What happens when Kirk comes back?
by Nextgen on
Jan 3, 2009 6:05 PM CST
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I'd like us to make some version of a salary dump now,
even Larry Hughes for contracts that expire at the end of THIS year, if we can get it. Or Hinrich for contracts and a decent player. But we need a consistent, average big man, and we need space to resign Gordon.
[And no, I don’t count Gooden as a consistent, average big man.]
[Oh, yeah, and we need a real coach. It’s really infuriating watching bad coaching, I have to say.]
"You remember the first time you picked up a basketball video game and you had no idea how to run plays, so you just gave the ball to your shooter and you ran around the court aimlessly until a defender was far enough away and then you jacked up a shot? THAT IS LARRY HUGHES!"
-Anonymous fan letter, heylarryhughespleasestoptakingsomanybadshots.com
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Jan 3, 2009 4:39 AM CST
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