Bring Back the Original Homeboy

by Carlitro on Sep 9, 2008 12:55 PM CDT Comment 37 comments

It ain't like B-Easy is a prototypical 4. It ain't like he's a architypical big. At 6'7 230 pounds, he's smaller than Rodman. Nocioni could take him. No doubt he can score the ball, but is he a true PF? Still the lingering doubts about our draft day luck will persist until D-Rose either proves he's worthy of being just the 3rd guard (after Magic and A.I.) to be drafted since the inception of the lottery.

Our biggest need since trading away Big Eddy Curry is a low post scorer. Team rebounding can mask individual weaknesses in that department, but there is no mask for that glaring hole in the middle.

So what to do? Pray that we suck enough to get a crack at Blake Griffin? Trade an arm and a leg for some overpaid locker room cancer like Z-Bo Randolph, just because he put up 20 and 10 on a bad team? Let the Grizz make that mistake. We're never gonna get that special Brand/Duncan/Howard talent in FA to put us over the top. My suggestion? While Donnie Walsh is trying to wheel and deal, let's bring back the original homeboy. It's time for Eddy Curry part deux.

I know, Pax hurt his feelings, but Curry never really wanted to leave. We could offer up the expiring contracts of Gooden and Cedric Simmons. Curry's deal expires in 2 years, so no long term contract issues. The Bulls are a team of role players; Curry's role doesn't have to be defense; he doesn't have to be the first option either. We can run the ball through Noah in a half court set and with his passing he can dish to the perimeter for a long jumper, to a slashing Deng for a mid range floater, or to Curry for an easy dunk. We'd still be a primarily jump shooting team, with a legit post option. If things don't pan out, move salaries and try to get Amare Stoudamire in 2011.

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This might sound crass...

…but Curry is one heart flutter away from retirement.

My fearless prediction is that he’ll be the youngest phenom to retire since Jonathan Bender…

by POSEYHATER on Sep 9, 2008 1:01 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

not only that

Curry’s been worse since leaving. Even if he solved the ‘biggest need’ of low-post scoring, he’d create another huge need: defense.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Sep 9, 2008 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

But Eddy's due for a rebound season

Saw this in True Hoop today and had a hearty chuckle.

“Jamal Crawford for Newsday: "People are really down on Eddy (Curry), but the Eddy they saw last season isn’t really Eddy. Yea, last year was a down year for him and he would be the first to tell you that … he puts more pressure on himself then anyone else could. I know he cares because after a lot of losses we would say, "If we could just get a couple of wins in a row …” It really bothered him … Our fans are hard on him because you guys see what he can be, how dominant at times he is, and when you guys don’t see that all the time you wanna strangle him! LOL People forget two seasons ago he averaged 19 pts. and 7 rebounds and some people were saying he should’ve been an all star. … But I guess in this game you’re only as good as your last shot, game, last season." TrueHoop First Cup

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by snley on Sep 9, 2008 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

What, and Gooden plays D? Since when?

In 06-07 Curry averaged 19.5 pts & 7.0 boards…not Dwight Howard numbers, but better than Zydrunas Ilgauskas. Z-Bo, the world’s worst post passer, didn’t exactly give up the rock to him last season. Gooden can get garbage buckets, and he’s a very good offensive rebounder, but other than that, is he really better than Curry? Is Gooden’s role on this team more essential than post scoring? I don’t think so…

by Carlitro on Sep 9, 2008 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Gooden's spacy

but he’s still better defensively than Curry.

I honestly think that if Curry gets more than 15 minutes on a team he winds up hurting it. Luckily for the team he can’t breathe after 5 minutes.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Sep 9, 2008 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

lol...true that...Curry can haz cheezburger

by Carlitro on Sep 9, 2008 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

and one million non- heart fluttersaway from non-retirement...

what’s yer point?

by Carlitro on Sep 9, 2008 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

The point

Is that the heart condition Eddy Curry has, is the same one that killed Hank Gathers, Reggie Lewis and Pistol Pete.

The Bulls wanted him to retire (for his own sake) and were prepared to pay him handsomely to do so. The Knicks took a HUGE risk signing him.

by POSEYHATER on Sep 9, 2008 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Oh yeah

Kevin Duckworth apparently died from HCM as well…

by POSEYHATER on Sep 9, 2008 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

No risk no reward...

Is his contract uninsured? Shoot he didn’t go to college what’s he gonna do if he doesn’t play? Might as well die of heart failure…maybe he’ll live as long as Duckworth…everybody’s gotta die sometime…

by Carlitro on Sep 9, 2008 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Most people with the kind of heart condition Maravich had die before they are 20; a relative few may live to 30. Maravich, who had been retired as an athlete for seven years, died at 40.

by Carlitro on Sep 9, 2008 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'm no doctor

(and you’re probably not, either) but I don’t think age has anything to do with this excercize-induced disorder of the heart. Pistol Pete died at 40, seven years after retiring, this is true, but he also died WHILE playing basketball. Reggie Lewis was much younger than that when he died, and Hank Gathers was still in college.

by POSEYHATER on Sep 9, 2008 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

my kid had a heart defect...

even though it’s repaired, no varsity sports for her- she can play for fun. Her cardiologist says heart rate should ideally stay below 140.

Step 1 - Win lottery. Step 2 - Hire a coach. Step 3 - Win.

by Lt.Dan on Sep 9, 2008 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Interesting fact

The same doctor that told Reggie Lewis he shouldn’t play any more was one of the doctors that cleared Curry.

by Sports2 on Sep 9, 2008 6:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

No, his contract is not insured...

…and taking that risk may not have been a big deal except that he did have issues with his heart fluttering at multiple times during his last season with the Bulls.

All I’m saying is that if we trade for him, and he dies (which is a very real possibility, which he is foolishly ignoring), we would have NOTHING after that.

by POSEYHATER on Sep 9, 2008 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

A few problems with this:

1. It’s obviously not that Pax hurt Curry’s feelings, it’s that the Bulls didn’t want the risk of Curry dropping dead. Or at least that’s the excuse they used (you know, back in the heady days when they were saying they’d never give someone an uninsured contract). Of course, they were willing to give him $60M in the event he passed the test.

2. I actually think defensively he’d be fine if he were matched with the right players, but the right players are big, strong veterans who really know how to play defense. We’re fresh out of those guys.

3. Curry’s got 3 years left, not 2. If he only had two years left, it’d be a no-brainer to take him, but the Knicks wouldn’t be trying to get rid of him.

4. Sounds like they’re going to trade Randolph anyway.

by Sports2 on Sep 9, 2008 1:10 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

All I know is

during the 04-05 season, I saw Curry take Raef LaFrentz off the dribble, cross him over like a guard and then lay the ball up like he was George Gervin. The man has talent. It’s a limited range, but he can score the rock…

by Carlitro on Sep 9, 2008 1:22 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Carlitro, you're forgetting three key things with the Edddy Curry.

Turnovers, offensive fouls, and passing ability. Those three areas combined with his defense more than negate any positives from his scoring. Eddy Curry is a cumulative negative that maybe could be turned into a break even player with the right players around him. The Bulls don’t have those players and they should be trying to do a lot better than trying to break even.

by Scotter on Sep 9, 2008 2:36 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

and lack of rebounding...

Step 1 - Win lottery. Step 2 - Hire a coach. Step 3 - Win.

by Lt.Dan on Sep 9, 2008 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

yes!!! No rebounding for someone is 6'11 and with descent athletic ability...

theres something wrong with his heart but its not medical…he is just SOFT!!!!! I like Drew Gooden better anyway

CHICAGO MANE!!!!

by YEP on Sep 9, 2008 8:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Who out of this list of low post (or at least Power Forwards) could the Bulls get?

L. Aldridge
G. Oden (no way)
A. Biedrins
S. Abdur Rahim (?? does he suddenly just suck??)
B. Miller
C. Kaman
A. Bynum
P. Gasol
A. Stoudamire
C. Boozer
A. Jefferson (no way, not happening)
D. West
A. Bogut
R. Wallace
C. Bosh (ain’t ever happening)
A. Horford
E. Okafor
D. Howard (never ever ever…)
A. Jamison
K. Garnett
D. Nowitzki
L. Scola (?)
Z. Randolph (black hole…who wants him?)

I’m guessing, almost nobody…

by Carlitro on Sep 9, 2008 3:26 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

so it must not be that big of a deal

plus a lot of those dudes are jump-shooty anyway.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Sep 9, 2008 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

the answer is to get guys (or get 'our' guys) any kinds of skills

to help them score, especially the layup kind of way. I don’t think getting a plodder with a hook shot is that big of a concern.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Sep 9, 2008 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

besides...

We have “plodder with a hook shot” covered with Aaron Gray.

Step 1 - Win lottery. Step 2 - Hire a coach. Step 3 - Win.

by Lt.Dan on Sep 9, 2008 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

even the hook shot itself plods towards the hoop.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Sep 9, 2008 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Hey...

Don’t hate on the hook shot.

by Carlitro on Sep 9, 2008 6:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

It's the only shot I have...

by Carlitro on Sep 9, 2008 6:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

The only names on that list that could be traded this season...

…are Zach Randolph and Rasheed Wallace. Unless Amare forces his way out the crypt otherwise known as the Phoenix Suns.

The Bulls should make an offer for Carl Landry, who averaged 8 points in 16 minutes last season…

or make a move for Hakim Warrick or Ike Diogu, both of whom have good post skills without much of a role on their teams…though, we have Simmons buried on our bench and don’t know what he can do either…

by Dionysus2.0 on Sep 10, 2008 9:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Ill trade curry

for two box of soaps and a pair of socks.

by Belize on Sep 9, 2008 5:55 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

So what you're saying is...

Stay the course? I can live with that. If Rose turns out to be the hell spawn demon PG I think he is…and T-Time “gets it,” and Noah can get garbage points, blocks, rebotes and dish 3-4 a game, and Deng lives up to his contract and Kirk “Stella” Hinrich gets his groove back…yah, I hope so too.

Are there any shake up move you would make? And trading Larry Hughes for a sack of balls doesn’t count…Do we even want Gordon back?

by Carlitro on Sep 9, 2008 6:50 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I've always liked Curry's offense and he did have a terrible year last year.

Considering the Curry hate here this is a courageous post. If we give up garbage, i.e. Hughes for Curry, I would go for that. Curry can be a legitimate low post threat.

by chgobr on Sep 10, 2008 6:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

While Curry's on the court,

you can’t “run the offense through Noah”. The point of having a low post scorer in the mold of an Eddy Curry is that when you dump the ball down into him, he pounds the rock, hypnotizes the defense until they double him and leave a man open, or else he hits a turnaround/half-hook, etc.

What you’re describing when you talk about someone for Noah to dish to for a dunk is a quick passing and cutting type of big. Well. Eddy Curry is not quick or passing or cutting. He’s just not any of those things.

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by bullhockey on Sep 12, 2008 12:44 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I think the point I was trying to make....

was that Curry is mostly a blackhole, but a black hole who can score in spades if you run plays for him. A motion offense like the bulls have been using is predicated on getting the ball to the open man. Curry gets the ball when he’s open. One on one he’s a nightmare. If he’s double teamed before he get s the ball: BOOM there’s your open man (Deng for the mid range, Gordon/Hinrich/Noce for the trey, or Noah/Thomas for the dunk.) The point is, we have some gifted passers on this team (Noah, Hinrich and now Rose). These guys can make plays. Deng is a cutter and a slasher, Curry is an athletic low block behemoth, Gordon does his best work on the perimeter (and he can dish some too). We’ve got two above average point guards now, at least three long jump shooters, and a big who can run the offense in the half court (Noah). All we need is a monster in the paint to swing that ball to. He’ll create his own offense (that’s all he does anyway).

by Carlitro on Sep 12, 2008 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs