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[From the FanPosts. Of course, 'playing for the Chicago Bulls' can just mean taking the Qualifying Offer. -ed.]

Nothing "earth-shattering" here, but for the news-starved, here is the first article in the Chicago Sun Times, Bulls section, since Aug. 27th. Big Jerry speaks!

Ben the Bull: Jerry expects him to stay

By John Jackson - Chicago Sun Times - September 18, 2008

After more than two months of negotiations -- and more than a month after Luol Deng was re-signed -- it doesn't seem the Bulls are any closer to reaching a deal with restricted free agent Ben Gordon than they were in July.

General manager John Paxson didn't comment on the Gordon talks, but chairman Jerry Reinsdorf addressed the matter.

''It has to be resolved,'' Reinsdorf said Wednesday. ''You know, we have a business disagreement relating to the money, but he's still a Chicago Bull, and I expect him to play for the Bulls. I expect him to play hard, and I'd be surprised if it's anything other than that.''

Because Gordon is a restricted free agent, the Bulls have the right to match any offer he may receive. Gordon also could play this season under the $6.4 million qualifying offer and become an unrestricted free agent next summer. Until now, there hasn't been an urgency to get a deal done, but the Sept. 30 start of training camp is approaching.

''I expect Ben Gordon to be playing for the Bulls this year, one way or another,'' Reinsdorf said. ''I don't know if it will be resolved before training camp, but I do expect him to be playing for the Bulls.''

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From a Bulls news malnourished fan thanks for the info!

I hope Ben can take out his anger on the rest of the league for not valuing him verses the Bulls, who in my opinion, may have over-valued him. Ben will be a Bull because his only other option is to sit out the year. Thanks for this morsel.

by chgobr on Sep 18, 2008 7:56 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Why should Gordon sign right now?

He might as well wait until the last moment. He has no reason not to wait. Isn’t like doing the Bulls the favor of settling things quicker gets him anything.

Everything I post is speculation. I have no insider information nor ideas deemed concrete enough by those who are self-elected to regulate post content.

by cranscape on Sep 18, 2008 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah. Remember when

Pippen wanted to get management’s attention while Krause was abroad scouting Kukoc? I think he put up like 41 and 44 points on consecutive nights, along with putting together one of his many Allstar and All-NBA defensive seasons.

Ben should do that. Except of course no defense. And except not as tall. Or versatile. And not as good handles. And management is already negotiating with him directly. Ouch…!

"It’d be ridiculous to hate someone for simply what they say in a sports blog. But I greatly dislike every syllable of your angst-filled, smarmy, nondescript, half-assed, elitist-garbage responses." –Rogerspark Kris

by bullhockey on Sep 18, 2008 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

pretty much a bunch of nothing

but the things that DID stick out to me were:

General manager John Paxson didn’t comment on the Gordon talks” – that made it sound like he was asked but chose not to comment. Good ol’ Pax trying not to tip his hand. Makes me think that he has something up his sleeve, but doesn’t want to comment in order to avoid talking about it.

JR said the word “expects” like 4 or 5 times. Those types of word qualifiers are used so he doesn’t have to lie. Never once did he say that he WANTS BG to play for the Bulls this season or that Ben WILL be playing for the Bulls.

by NormVanBeer on Sep 18, 2008 8:07 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

The bottom lines seems to be that

the Bulls aren’t going to pay Gordon what he’s demanding, nor will any of the potential sign and trade candidate teams, so of course it’s now time to shift mentalities to the “Ben will be a Bull, likely on the QO, and he’ll play hard and within the team” mantra because I get the impression that all routes have been exhausted.

by messwiththebull on Sep 18, 2008 9:13 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Unless Gordon simply doesn't want to play for the Bulls

It doesn’t make sense for Ben to sign the QO when he would need an even larger yearly offer to make up for the amount he would lose by not signing a long term deal this year.

To use a poker analogy, he bluffed hard, the Bulls called, now he has to fold before he loses more money. But it’s not like the offer wasn’t fair. If the Bulls have a good year, I’m sure Gordon can make tons more in endorsement deals by playing here. It’s not like Jamal Crawford is getting these great shoe deals simply because he plays for New York, it mostly comes down to how the team wins. Look at Tony Parker, if he played for 99 percent of the other teams in the league, he probably wouldn’t be half the international star he is now or married to a famous actress.

by RogersPark Kris on Sep 18, 2008 9:25 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

When was the last time

the two sides even talked to one another. Usually you here some BS about “talks are ongoing”. But I haven’t heard or read anything recently that says that they are even talking on the phone.

"Rest satisified with doing well and leave others to talk of you as they please"

by Bigred15 on Sep 18, 2008 9:22 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

There isn't any talk

because the Bulls set an inflexible bar with the “won’t go over the tax” line. What is there to talk about? Gordon either takes it or he doesn’t. The Bulls already basically stated they want him…only up to that point. It doesn’t matter if he wants two million more a year or just one million. The Bulls are not moving from the tax line. They could always sign him for a little bit more and then dump salary elsewhere afterward and not be penalized by the tax, but since they are inexplicably so high on Noc and Hinrich that is doubtful. Gordon knows they could do that though and has no reason to sign anything until the last moment because of it.

Everything I post is speculation. I have no insider information nor ideas deemed concrete enough by those who are self-elected to regulate post content.

by cranscape on Sep 18, 2008 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

well technically we don't know if they're talking or not

The tax thing is really a problem, because even if you think of it as Ben turning down $59m in terms of total dollars, the ‘08-’09 salary is so low (due to the tax ’ceiling’) that it’s not that much more than the QO.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Sep 18, 2008 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

True I guess,

but wouldn’t it have gotten out by now if there were more things to quibble about? Nothing has changed for weeks.

Everything I post is speculation. I have no insider information nor ideas deemed concrete enough by those who are self-elected to regulate post content.

by cranscape on Sep 18, 2008 11:54 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

There, I did it again.

That should have gone under BullsBlogger. No more stealth posting from work. I apparently can’t multitask. :(

Everything I post is speculation. I have no insider information nor ideas deemed concrete enough by those who are self-elected to regulate post content.

by cranscape on Sep 18, 2008 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Are we all numb to this?

Is it just me or are the Bulls the most dramatic team in the NBA?

It seems that they’re in the middle of some controversy every summer.

I think we’re just so used to it cause it happens so often.

When it happens, I’ll believe it.

Until then, I’ll have to pay no mind

by Option27 on Sep 18, 2008 1:39 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

If by drama you mean "ownership and players haggling over money a lot" then sure

I think players getting fined for smoking pot, players saying they “hate” the national anthem, players asking other players how their ass tastes, and all other types of shit in between is far more dramatic than what the Bulls are going through.

"I’m gonna rise up, gonna kick a little ass. Gonna kick some ass in the USA. Gonna climb a mountain, gonna sew a flag, gonna fly on an eagle. I’m gonna kick some butt, gonna drive a big truck. I’m gonna rule this world. I’m gonna kick some ass. I’m gonna rise up, gonna kick a little ass. Rock, flag, and eagle!"

by Ozzie Montana on Sep 19, 2008 8:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Gordon thinks hes Gilbert Arenas who thinks hes Kobe...

So in a nut shell… Gordon is trying to be like Kobe and force the team to do what he wants them to do. Gordon, Im sorry man… but your not Kobe…MJ…LeBron… or anyone of that caliber. Wake up Bulls… drop him, just replace him.. its not that hard to find a better TEAM player than Gordon! Sorry if I lost it there for a minute, but I am so tired of this guy

"This balls got a chaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaannce, GONE!" - Pat Hughes

by SouthsideCUBSfan on Sep 19, 2008 12:53 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Huh?

He never complains during a game. Willing to be sixth man behind a guy like Duhon because the team wants it. Practices all the time. Leads in scoring. Doesn’t party. Doesn’t get arrested. Didn’t have a public melt down like pretty much everyone else did on the team last year. Isn’t a cancer in the locker room. Has a good reputation. Yeah, the Bulls need less of that. Shame on Gordon. He is everything that is wrong in basketball. Blah blah blah.

Waiting until the last minute to sign is all that Gordon has left. Why shouldn’t he use all the time he has? This is his time to get his contract sorted out. He didn’t start his contract drama during the season like some do. He didn’t threaten to disrupt the team like some do. Why is he a bad man for taking his time? His situation isn’t likely to improve much by waiting, but since he doesn’t have the kind of bad character to pull the typical bs like other players do waiting it out is his only weapon. Might as well wait.

Everything I post is speculation. I have no insider information nor ideas deemed concrete enough by those who are self-elected to regulate post content.

by cranscape on Sep 19, 2008 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah just DFA him! Wait.....

"I’m gonna rise up, gonna kick a little ass. Gonna kick some ass in the USA. Gonna climb a mountain, gonna sew a flag, gonna fly on an eagle. I’m gonna kick some butt, gonna drive a big truck. I’m gonna rule this world. I’m gonna kick some ass. I’m gonna rise up, gonna kick a little ass. Rock, flag, and eagle!"

by Ozzie Montana on Sep 19, 2008 8:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

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