Gordon - Howard - Odom Trade

by MrPants on Sep 17, 2008 5:46 PM CDT Comment 11 comments

Sign and trade ideas involving Gordon are running wild, so I thought I would add my thoughts.

Bulls:

Ben Gordon to Dallas

Andre Nocioni to Dallas

Drew Gooden to Dallas

Dallas:

Josh Howard to Lakers

Eddie Jones to Lakers

Jason Terry to Chicago

Lakers:

Lamar Odom to Chicago

Over at Mavs Moneyball there was some discussion of a similar trade earlier this year (Howard + Terry for Nocioni + Gordon) . With the public relations trouble that Josh Howard is causing the Mavs might be more inclined to moving him. They replace Terry with a younger similar player, Nocioni serves as a serviceable replacement for Howard, plus Gooden adds some toughness to the Mavs front line.

The Bulls basically replace Gordon’s skills and Nocioni’s contract with Terry. Odom gives the Bulls a post option at the 4, a person who can fill Noce’s minutes at 3, and should aid the D’Antoni style attack with his passing.

With Bynum returning from injury, Gasol returns to the 4, and Odom would slide to the 3 where he is less effective. Howard is a more effective defensive option for a team loaded with offensive talent, and a better player at the 3. Eddie Jones is just salary filler.

I would even offer the option to switch 1st round draft picks next year to entice Dallas to deal.

The Financials work on the trade machine when I used Hinrich’s contract. While I know BYC rules are complicated with sign and trade players, both Dallas and Chicago have trade exceptions in the $5 million range to make the trade go through.

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nah

ummm….nah…dont like this for us…..

by masputo on Sep 17, 2008 6:09 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

We aren't getting enough back on this

Jason Terry and Odom are on the wrong sides of their career. I’d rather just have Howard, who cares about the national anthem.

by DangerMouse on Sep 17, 2008 6:22 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I though about this too

but thought that Howard’s skill set was too similar to Deng’s. Also, statistically, Terry has been much more effective for his career than Gordon.

by MrPants on Sep 17, 2008 7:01 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

That's ok if Howard duplicates Deng--the Bulls wouldn't be getting Howard.

They’d be getting J-Terry.

Now, if you said that J-Terry duplicates Ben, that might be another story…

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by bullhockey on Sep 17, 2008 8:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Sorry, i meant that as a reply to DangerMouse

about preferring Howard over Odom

by MrPants on Sep 17, 2008 8:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I actually like this

I think its a real good move for the lakers, I feel like its a good move for the bulls (mostly it would maybe be the best thing to come out of the gordon situation). I just dont think that the trade is good for the mavs though. they loose their second best player in howard. and gooden would be just a back up, not worth it to them

by ifarr on Sep 17, 2008 7:27 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Why?

by Sports2 on Sep 17, 2008 7:28 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I see these trades and

None of them make the team better. If any of these trades are made right after they happne everyone will be on here trying to make trades to get rid of the players we just got.

Paxson needs to make some major moves where more than one trade is made ala Boston. That is the only way we will be happy.

by J Theory on Sep 18, 2008 8:59 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Odom's versatility

can’t be replaced. If either Gasol or Bynum go down, he can do a fine job for them at the 4. I don’t think the Lakers can afford to trade him, and are better off trying to resign him to less expensive long-term deal.

I believe a Gordon-for-Kirilenko deal might be worth taking a look at, since Utah could use an upgrade at the 2 guard, and would like to avoid the luxury tax next year when they try to resign boozer and okur.

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by ignign*kt on Sep 20, 2008 5:05 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Getting Odom is one of the better trade ideas out there

mainly because the Bulls need more scoring from the 4. And it may allow the Bulls to go tall with Deng at 3. It will also allow the Bulls to go small (cringe) with Odom at the 5, as he’s about 6’11. (Sorry, just had to say it. Any reminders of small lineups that made you violently ill in the past are strictly unintentional.) From what I remember, Miami employed him very successfully as a scoring 4/5 before he was traded for Shaq.

by bullhockey on Sep 21, 2008 2:09 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Why to the Bulls need Dallas to get Odom

The Bulls can offer the Lakers any 2 or 3 of Hinrich, Gordon(after Jan.1st), Gooden or Nocioni for Odom, without including the Mavs as middlemen. If the Lakers take 3 players they would have to add a player to the Bulls to make the cap work.

We only need Dallas if the Lakers prefer Howard to any combo of the Bulls players, which they might if starting small forward is thier primary goal. However, Kobe might be better suited to the 3 as he ages, so a starting 2 might be more important.

The Bulls simply have way too many similar type players at both the guard and forward rotations With at least 5 guys at both if you count Sefolosha as a swing between 2 and 3. They need to make a 3 for 1 trade where they clearly get the best player back, or two 2 for 1 trades to clear playing time in their rotation for a solid 8 man rotation, 3 guards, 3 forwards, and 2 centers. The player that they trade for needs to be a big 2, or a quality 4 or 5. Odom fits the bill as a starting 4, although it interferes with Tyrus Thomas’s development. However, if Gooden and Nocioni are gone then Thomas can be the 3rd forward, filling in at both the 3 and the 4.

The main problem with this deal is whether the Bulls can or want to resign Odom to a long term extension. As the LA times recently detailed the Lakers have massive luxury tax issues in the upcoming years, putting their payroll into the $115-$120 million zone. They cannot afford to resign Odom or take back long term contracts equal to his current cap number . The most likely result is Odom leaving as a free agent for nothing. In this case an Odom for Marion one year rental deal makes the most sense for the Lakers since Marion at the 3 is a better fit for the Lakers for this upcoming season than Odom is at either the 3 or 4.

by BigWay on Oct 15, 2008 11:58 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs