Poll: Derrick Rose, opening night starter?
This was briefly discussed when he was first drafted, and it was brought back up in the 'why don't the Bulls at least hype Rose?' post.
Are the Bulls serious about this cold-water treatment regarding Rose? Keeping him on the bench to start the season? All Paxson has done (in his brief appearances as assumed general manager) when talking about Rose was aimed at tempering expectations. Couple that with the odd commitment the Bulls have to Kirk Hinrich, and an 'apprenticeship' looks likely.
To me, there's no downside to having Rose start. I don't think the likelihood of him busting differs much whether he's thrown in the fire, or not. Either he's going to be great or he isn't, and the Bulls should be interested in finding out soon. And if he's merely OK, that's technically better than Hinrich was last year, a level which won't hurt the Bulls playoff chances this season.
I do see a downside in sitting him though. Hinrich's a capable player who will keep Rose on the bench more (both in every game and over the course of the season) than necessary. Yet, he'll be playing while always looking over his shoulder at the rookie inevitably taking his job (assuming the Bulls don't honestly try and make him a two-guard, yuck...actually this is a whole 'nother post). I'd rather Rose got used to playing with his best teammates instead of making entry passes to Aaron Gray. And I'd like for him to face tough competition right away as well.
I'm genuinely interested in gauging this amongst the community, so:
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want him to start 10 games in..can’t just through him in..he’ll get the rookie-ego effect
by Belize on
Sep 10, 2008 11:59 PM CDT
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Completely disagree...
He was selected #1 in the draft, if his ego can ahndle that he should be fine.
Don't call me doughboy!
by Khalid El-Amin on
Sep 11, 2008 2:29 PM CDT
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Don't call me doughboy!
by Khalid El-Amin on
Sep 11, 2008 2:30 PM CDT
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That has nothing to do with playing hoops
I wanna mention k___e Brown but it might curse our team..so ill nothing more
by Belize on
Sep 11, 2008 2:48 PM CDT
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I'm just saying, his ego can't get anymore inflated...
after being selected #1. And yet, he still seems like a down to earth guy.
His game however remains to be seen.
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by Khalid El-Amin on
Sep 11, 2008 2:50 PM CDT
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It could be argued
that Brown would have sucked no matter what though. If that is Rose then we are screwed if we handle him with kiddie gloves or not.
Rose has the work ethic and the confidence that comes from that. I doubt those are things you could teach someone if they just don’t have it. Fortunately it looks like Rose has it.
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by cranscape on
Sep 11, 2008 2:52 PM CDT
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Off the bench?
Does anyone else think he should ease into a starting role? Let Rose eye Captain Kirk starting, trying to light a fire under him right before he comes off the bench and into a game?
I personally think that kind of competition/role will help him progress easily into the player we want him to be. And it feels safer, like in the instance Rose is thrown out there and struggles, finding his transition to the NBA is rougher than initially perceived. Such things have destroyed players in the past.
by ToroToroToro on
Sep 11, 2008 12:32 AM CDT
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The Rod says...
Bulls fans will have to get used to Rose playing limited minutes early on as they try to keep a short leash on him to do enough good things and to point out the bad as well. Think of him as an injured player coming back from the DL and getting those kinds of minutes. Its hard to tell with a new coach but it seems to be heading that way.
That being said Joakim really DID earn his minutes last year and Derrick should have no problem passing by Thabo to get playing time. The Rod says the more assists he starts dishing out, the more minutes he’ll start seeing.
And he ABSOLUTELY HAS TO START! No question about it jabroni. You dont friggin draft a number one pick and sit him on the bench for no damn – AND THE ROD MEANS No damn reason!
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by The Rod on
Sep 11, 2008 12:45 AM CDT
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This Scares The Bejesus Outta Me...
With the exception of Kirk, Lu and strangley Duhon, the Bulls have never given their rookies sufficient minutes to develop. I’m hoping that this was just a Skiles thing. I’ve watched almost every game of the last two seasons and its always the same. Here is how the senerio goes:
Young player X plays significant minutes in 2-3 games. Starts to play better but has a bad outing, and then doesn’t come off the bench to 2-3 weeks. When they finally get some playing time, they are so anxious to play well that they try to do too much. This is of course when they are not looking over at the bench every 5 seconds to see the “Skiles Skowl” threatning to take them out the next time they take a step in the wrong direction. So predictibly they play like garbage.
Player X could be Thomas, Noah, Thabo, Gray whoever. You can’t expect young players to be mentally ready to play after sitting on the bench for 3 weeks. Hopefully VDN gets this and takes it into account when playing the younger players. Players need to know that the coach has faith in them. I believe that this was part of the problem last year. You can only hear “your a dirtbag” so many times from your coach before you start to believe it.
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by Bigred15 on
Sep 11, 2008 7:22 AM CDT
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Yup
that’s the pattern. Tyrus has been especially prone to that pattern: tries to do too much, fails, buh-bye.
My assumption is that the entire reason for choosing VDN was that he was going to be better with the younger players. After all – it’s in his interest to develop them. With Skiles and Boylan, they wanted to “win now” which as it turned out meant “suck.”
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
by MPG on
Sep 11, 2008 7:27 AM CDT
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Yup-yup
Imagine being the GM-head coach combo that has 2 #2’s and a #1 and can’t fit any of them in to the starting lineup. You’d better win 72 games.
But like a rookie QB, I’d let the incumbent play his way out of the starting role to insure the pressure’s off the kid. Better to come in to standing ovations as the reserve for a while. If he’s ready, he’ll be the starter soon enough. Worse case in that scenario is that Kirk recharges and plays great and some Dallas out there way overpays us for him at the deadline. I’d much rather have Rose starting because he outplayed good Kirk than because it might smeer Pax’s rep if he doesn’t or because Kirk continues to decline. Best case is that Kirk is back and Rose is even better than that!
by California Al on
Sep 11, 2008 7:49 AM CDT
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The difference being...
This is a whole new coaching staff. Del Harris was the head coach when they got a young Kobe as a rookie in 1996 out of high school. VDN != Skiles. VDN has put a lot of time into Rose already. Coached him at summer league and traveled with him to LA for the scrimmage vrs the Redeem Team. It sounds to me they really focusing on developing this kid.
"If you're not going to compete, then I'll dominate you." MJ
by Rankdog on
Sep 13, 2008 1:19 PM CDT
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VDN
“There is going to be trials and tribulations with everything as a rookie point guard in the league but I have all the faith in the world in him after getting to meet him last week.”
http://www.docksquadsports.com/2008/06/john-paxson-and-vinny-del-negro-on-rose.html
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by Rankdog on
Sep 13, 2008 1:28 PM CDT
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This lack of buzz surrounding Rose is
a wee-bit annoying. On the one hand, he played two summer league games on a sore knee. On the other hand, he dominated the tournament, all Memphis’ bigger regular season games, and by all accounts (i.e. three) played very well against the U.S.A. gold medal team.
The Bulls should start him. He’s not some weak-minded milquetoast who will crumple after a turnover. Remember that one of Paxson’s biggest endorsements of Rose was his “poise.”
Ok, then: show it.
They drafted a franchise talent. They certainly believe that, otherwise we’d be talking about Michael Beasley right now. The problem is that Derrick Rose isn’t the only issue at stake here.
The Bulls want to trade one of their guards – Hinrich or Gordon – and the entire NBA, blogosphere, and probably a few Tibetan monks know it. The players have the lowest value of their careers right now: not only coming off their worst seasons, but entering a season in which their place on the team is suspect for both basketball (is Hinrich a 1, 2, both or neither?) and contractual (I still say BG7 tastes great!) reasons. Showing the NBA that these players are good, and can work in Chicago, raises their value on both accounts. We are in the asset consolidation phase. Or at least, should be.
Here’s what I think will happen: Rose comes off the bench to start the season. Hinrich plays a great deal, and plays pretty well. At 205 he’s like a slightly smaller and much younger Billups. He raises his value, then we package him and the expiring contract for…whatever.
Then they give the ball to Rose.
I wish this weren’t so. Rose represents a lot for the Bulls: a tangible link to the city, an exciting and elite athlete with the right attitude, and hope for the basketball future. It’s actually to their credit that they’re lowering expectations. I like the idea of Rose entering the season with a little chip on his shoulder, with everybody expecting him to fail.
But couldn’t I get a little bit excited? Just a little? Please?
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
by MPG on
Sep 11, 2008 7:45 AM CDT
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clarification: the expiring contract of Gooden,
and I didn’t quite get across the desired tone (snarky) when I called the 205-lbs Hinrich a younger Billups. (I still think he’ll be pretty damn good, though.)
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by MPG on
Sep 11, 2008 7:49 AM CDT
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Just as long as he gets plenty of entitlement minutes, can't say I really care
But if he’s only getting 5-10 min a night to make room for Kirk, BG, Thabo, and Hughes, I’ll probably join exult in bashing Paxson every chance I get.
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by snley on
Sep 11, 2008 8:29 AM CDT
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I think we should call them "development" minutes
To distinguish from what Wallace used to get and (I fear) Hughes will continue to get.
I’d like 20-25 minutes to start the season for him – the big difference I’m hoping for with Vinny is that (a) he, and the other young guys, are allowed to play through mistakes, and (b) that if they do need to come out for some persistent thing, that the coaches explain what’s going on and what they’d like to see then send them back in, rather than the glare and banishment to the end of the bench treatment.
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by wjb1492 on
Sep 11, 2008 11:11 AM CDT
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Yep.
I’ll probably put my head through my computer screen at some point if this actually happens. Gah.
When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer
by Illini15 on
Sep 11, 2008 12:29 PM CDT
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Don't say that!
Or else they’ll throw out the same bullshit they used on us with Gordon.
He doesn’t start but plays lots of minutes.
Ughhh
by Option27 on
Sep 11, 2008 1:48 PM CDT
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Paxson?
Is he setting the rotation?
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by Khalid El-Amin on
Sep 11, 2008 2:30 PM CDT
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No, but it would have been his second coaching hire who displayed no proclivity for player development
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by snley on
Sep 11, 2008 3:26 PM CDT
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Fair enough.
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by Khalid El-Amin on
Sep 11, 2008 3:44 PM CDT
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Whether or not Rose
starts will depend on what he shows during training camp. If he is what some of you think he is he will start. We have a new coach who will want to win and he will put the players he thinks can help him do that on the floor.
by sue369 on
Sep 11, 2008 8:30 AM CDT
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Have you been speaking personally with VDN?
When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer
by Illini15 on
Sep 11, 2008 12:30 PM CDT
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I agree that his performance in camp should dictate how Rose starts the season. If he kills in camp, then he should start. Otherwise, I would not mind starting him on the bench but give him no less than 25 minutes a night for the first couple of weeks. The reality is that the team is not going anywhere this season anyway, so I have no problem with limiting his minutes (and playing busters like Larry Hughes instead) to allow him to build some confidence, figure out the pro game and give the coaches a chance to work out the kinks with him if necessary. If Rose is not starting about a third of the way into the season, there better be a good explanation.
by Stay Chisel on
Sep 11, 2008 1:52 PM CDT
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well, by then the reason will be
“we’re doing ok with him coming off the bench, so why mess with it?”
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Sep 11, 2008 2:18 PM CDT
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I'd figure
stars come in with confidence. Benching him behind mediocre guards isn’t going to build confidence and I don’t want Rose learning ANYTHING from the guards on our team. They just are not good enough to be teachers.
Any other crappy team that was bad enough to get the number one pick would be starting their pick day one, excited about their pick, and giving him all the minutes he needs to take over the team. That’s where number one picks usually end up and they do fine. The Bulls might not be that bad, but they did get the number one pick and have a record of delaying development when they try to do the sit-in-the-corner approach to their young athletes. Why not do what anyone else with the first pick would do and play him?
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by cranscape on
Sep 11, 2008 2:19 PM CDT
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Deron Williams started the season on the bench...
…behind Keith McCloud. Williams eventually took over the starting job once Sloan was convinced that he could trust Williams with the job. I expect Derrick Rose to be brought along much the same way, he will start about 41 games and play about 25 minutes.
by Dionysus2.0 on
Sep 11, 2008 8:31 AM CDT
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Sloan's aggressively distrustful of rookies
why follow that mold?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Sep 11, 2008 8:59 AM CDT
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A career winning percentage of .608
And 186 games over .500. That mold has been quite successful.
"The whole leverage thing, it's a difficult thing to gauge" -Paxson
by Dionysus2.0 on
Sep 11, 2008 10:20 AM CDT
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I thought we moved past finding a way for a coach to impose on the team
and more towards having the coach fit to the team.
We could ask Deron if he feels being benched actually helped him, or just delayed his arrival.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Sep 11, 2008 10:24 AM CDT
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I would be willing to be that Sloan's players love playing for him.
Its the same with Popovich. Both of those guys are preach discipline and playing the right way. The difference is they don’t hang thier players out to dry like Skiles and Larry Brown do. If you choose to use discilpine as a leadership style, you walk a very fine line between your guys loving you and hating you. Many people end up too far on the wrong side of that line, and your subordinates end up despising you much like the Bulls did to Skiles. Sloan may be distrusful of rookies, but you can’t dismiss his track record. Sloan openly protects and help his players by having a set rotation and not deviating from it. He makes sure the bench players get time to develop. The way he handles his subtitutions makes sure his top players don’t play too many minutes, minimizing the risk for injury. Nobody wants to come out of a game, but Sloan’s does whats best for his players even if they don’t like it at the time. Which is the mark of a good leader.
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by Bigred15 on
Sep 11, 2008 12:00 PM CDT
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that doesn't explain Matt Harpring.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Sep 11, 2008 12:27 PM CDT
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Oh sure...
John Amechi loved Sloan. Kirilenko too.
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by Khalid El-Amin on
Sep 11, 2008 2:35 PM CDT
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Here's a nice little gem about yer boy Sloan...
“…he’s the best coach I’ve ever played for in terms of his technical ability. And without a doubt, he’s the worst the person I’ve ever met in my entire life, in terms of dealing with people.”
http://deadspin.com/sports/john-amaechi/jerry-sloan-is-not-the-worlds-friendliest-man-241382.php
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by Khalid El-Amin on
Sep 11, 2008 2:51 PM CDT
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20 years of Malone and Stockton...
Running the same play over and over again will have that effect.
And how many championships has he won again?
How many times was he voted coach of the year?
His numbers are inflated, and he is kind of a notorious ass.
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by Khalid El-Amin on
Sep 11, 2008 2:34 PM CDT
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Because is so easy to win games in this league...
I would take Sloan over anything we head since Jackson left town and wouldn’t think twice. I pose a question to you. How many titles would Sloan have won if not for Jordan? How many years have the Jazz made the playoffs in his reign?
Unlike Jackson who has always had one or two of the top 5 players Sloan proved he can win without having the top talent. Malone and Stockton are long gone yet the Jazz are a playoff contender once again.
He probably is an ass but he gets the job done.
"If you're not going to compete, then I'll dominate you." MJ
by Rankdog on
Sep 13, 2008 1:38 PM CDT
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Really?
“Unlike Jackson who has always had one or two of the top 5 players”
He had TWO of the top fifty players of all time, and now has one of the top 2 PG’s in the league IMO. Sure they lost to the Bulls twice, but that doesn’t mean they would have beaten another Eastern conference squad. That’s the weakest argument ever, completely hypothetical, and besides, they didn’t beat Jordan’s Bulls. They we’re spanked like the one dimensional team they were… A product of their coach in my opinion.
But let’s just imagine for a moment that Sloan were the coach of the Bulls next year. I can see Heinrich running the point, TT never seeing the floor, Aaron Gray getting lots of PT, and Gordon halfway to NY by all star break.
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by Khalid El-Amin on
Sep 13, 2008 5:19 PM CDT
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Sloan's
record speaks for itself. Not liking his style of play is not a good enough argument. A lot of great teams in the 90s were unable to advance in the playoffs due to playing in the same era as Jordan. IMO you have to look at what the Jazz did during that era despite the anomaly that was Jordan. Is Riley less of a coach because he couldn’t beat Jordan during his stays in NY and Miami? The Bulls won 72, 69, and 62 games during the three titles seasons. Two of those seasons they played the Jazz for the title. The Bull were not just good they were historically great. There is no shame in losing 4-2 to a historically great team.
From 95 to ’00 the Jazz played in the Conf. Finals or the Finals. Thats 5 years of being one of the 4 best teams in basketball.
He has won 1086 regular season games. Sloan has led the Jazz to six division championships and ten seasons with over fifty wins. In 23 of coaching Sloan has missed the playoffs 5 times… one of those season he was fired midway though the season (by Chicago).
You site the fact he has D. Williams. DWil was drafted and developed by the Jazz under sloan. Jackson has inherited Shaq, Jordan, Kobe, and Pippin as well as teams already over the hump for making the playoffs. Sloan went through rebuilding through the draft and taken a young team to the playoffs. He has proven he can win without the horses.
Who cares if he won a coach of the year trophy. Seriously do you think Barkley deserved his MVP trophy over Jordan? They are popularity contests.
As far as who on the Bulls roster would get playing time is purely guess work on your part.
"If you're not going to compete, then I'll dominate you." MJ
by Rankdog on
Sep 15, 2008 12:39 AM CDT
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Blasphemy
Lookie here, Khalid. Jerry Sloan was Scottie Pippen with Ditka’s attitude. If MJ never happened here, he’d probably still be Mr Bull to the folks who’ve lived through this franchise’s TWO histories. Like Pip, he played 3 different positions for us at a super competitive level, and that fact alone gets lost on a lot of fans. He’s a very successful coach, period, end of conversation. It is a players’ league for sure, so I don’t know of a coach that’s won without players.. But no coach survives 23 years without being great. The best? Stupid argument; there are still those who don’t think MJ was the best. Oh, well.
Yeah, his approach is pretty basic. You execute the fundamentals of the game with 100% effort 48 minutes a night, 82 games a year, and you’ll be over .500. You’ll force superior teams to bring their best game or lose. And you can’t argue both that he ran the same play for 20 years as a slam and that he had two of the top 50 as an excuse. Either, A: Malone-Stockton were 2 top 50 and you should have run the p&r until someone stopped you, or B: they got voted to the top 50 BECAUSE Sloan ran the p&r not-stop and padded their stats as the greatest scorer/assist tandem ever.
He won against better players as a player and has done the same as a coach. Is he an ass? In the same way MJ was. If you’re on his team, he’s going to set a standard for you. If you do something else, you might get whacked. It’s not going to be a pleasant discussion. But his teams keep coming back and playing with heart; what else is a coach supposed to do? I think taking that team past Houston and Golden State 2 years ago was one of the best over-acheiving runs I’ve ever watched. And just like his previous run, you have to ask, did Williams-Boozer carry Sloan, or did Sloan make Boozer-Williams all stars. Chicken or the egg. But offhand, I’d say Yao-McGrady were the superior talents, and GS was hot enough to own Dallas. Utah didn’t win in spite of Sloan.
Give the man his props.
by California Al on
Sep 15, 2008 10:10 AM CDT
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Maybe it's blasphemy to you...
But I lost a lot of respect for him when the John Amaechi stuff came out.
Not that Jordan is some kind of saint, and maybe I’m just old school this way, but I think coaches should be held to a higher moral standard considering the tutelage position they occupy… Or maybe I just had one too many jack ass coaches growing up to tolerate a bigot like Sloan.
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by Khalid El-Amin on
Sep 18, 2008 6:11 PM CDT
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What's wrong with
earning a starting spot? Let them battle it out in camp and if Rose is as good as we think he is he’ll be the starter soon enough. Just because he was the top pick shouldn’t entitle him to a starting position if he can’t earn it with his play. The guy will be a starting PG in this league for a long time. If he needs a few weeks to get acustom to the NBA game so be it.
Is Beasley going to start down in Miami over AH?
by ronmexibull on
Sep 11, 2008 5:07 PM CDT
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lemon
my buddy keeps calling Rose a lemon, that he’s got tendinitis at 19. i hope he’s wrong and that we didn’t draft the wrong guy.
he better start.
by BULLieving in Miami on
Sep 12, 2008 1:32 AM CDT
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SF/PF Beasley will start with C Haslem and SF/PF Marion
Who do you think is playing center for the heat ?
by Blacknight23 on
Sep 12, 2008 3:39 PM CDT
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Tendinitis is nothing.
Plenty of players have it, you just need to know how to manage it. I don’t think it really matter when you get it as long as it gets diagnosed you are taught how to deal with it. Would it be any different if he got it next year? Likely not. As far as injury problems in the league he is nowhere near these players, young and old.
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by cranscape on
Sep 12, 2008 8:27 AM CDT
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Looks like I finally did it.
That was supposed to go under BULLieving in Miami’s post. My bad. :(
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by cranscape on
Sep 12, 2008 8:28 AM CDT
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haha
happens to the best of us. I can cover my tracks by deleting comments though, muahaha.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Sep 12, 2008 9:37 AM CDT
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Unless he's Sebastian Telfair-esque in training camp
There’s no reason he shouldn’t be starting. He’s a number 1 pick, there’s high expectations, and just because he will look bad in November/December doesn’t mean squat. We have a rookie head coach, not a HOF coach like Jerry Sloan who has had the same offensive philosophy for 20+ years. Until Del Negro shows he is a smart tactician, his best bet is to play the most talented players he has.
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by Ozzie Montana on
Sep 12, 2008 5:20 PM CDT
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Unless he is extremely fragile mentally
Ya just GOTTA hand the keys over to him and let him start and play him 30+ minutes a night.
And unless he has a bad attitude and won’t learn unless you sit him, you let him play through his mistakes and teach him afterwards what he is doing wrong.
I doubt he is mentally fragile, or has a bad attitude, since he never has before and he likely wouldn’t have been so highly regarded by all as a #1 talent.
If Hinrich starts to give him more trade value, it will be a huge mistake. Those moves almost never work out as intended; I say “almost” just because I can’t remember an instance where it DID work out, but it doesn’t mean I am correct.
My opinion is based on the idea that he isn’t overly raw and really not starter-worthy. If that is so, I’d be a lil’ worried, but I doubt that is the case as well.
HE IS DERRICK ROSE. The #1 pick. This is supposed to be his team. Unless it will go to his head, make him not realize he still has much to learn, or performing poorly will devastate his confidence, you start him and play him as many minutes as he can handle.
PGs need to play WITH their teammates to really learn ‘em, and I’d also be really annoyed if he was just running along with the scrubs.
That this is up for debate worries me. Kirk Hinrich is a good player, but he’s just in the way right now. This is Derrick Rose’s team.
Mortimer
by Mortimer on
Sep 12, 2008 8:25 PM CDT
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OT: what is the current situation on Ben Gordon's contract situation
2008 Cubs: Who needs nine innings, when you only need a 7th?
by Chanman25 on
Sep 13, 2008 10:45 PM CDT
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As far as I can see it's still a stalemate...
The Bulls not willing to pay over the luxury tax.
Gordon unwilling to accept 9.5 million a year for multiple years.
The bulls have a “qualifying offer” on the table, under the terms of the “Collective Bargaining Agreement”, to retain his rights until another club offers more than 6.4 mil (Clarification?).
At that point they can match an offer, however no team with enough cap space seems to be interested.
In the mean time it seems that Ben Gordon’s agent possibly fabricated a story that seemed to indicate a Russian club’s interest, but that later turned out to be falsified.
Now, here we sit, waiting for Gordon to most likely play one more year under the “qualifying offer”.
I’m sure that’s way more information than you were hoping for, but just writing the whole thing out was oddly pacifying.
Don't call me doughboy!
by Khalid El-Amin on
Sep 14, 2008 2:23 AM CDT
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That Russian rumor
started at such an unlikely place I doubt Gordon’s agent planted it. Some Greek blog started the rumor that every reputable place ignored until an English speaking blogger “found it”. Not sure why everyone paid so much attention to it when not one part of its creation made any sense at all.
Everything I post is speculation. I have no insider information nor ideas deemed concrete enough by those who are self-elected to regulate post content.
by cranscape on
Sep 14, 2008 2:59 PM CDT
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Yeah, true or not
It’s a non-story. What’s an agent supposed to, use the same tactic JR did? “I don’t have any other offers, so I guess the Bulls are right”. Brilliant.
by California Al on
Sep 15, 2008 10:19 AM CDT
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I expect Rose to come off the bench behind Hinrich, a lot like Baron Davis did with David Wesley during his rookie year. Hinrich is a good player and it will hard for a rookie point guard to unseat him.
by NBR on
Sep 16, 2008 4:41 AM CDT
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First time poster....
New here, but just wanted to say that D Riose should start from day one. I don’t really think the Bulls area playoff team this year, and that being said, we just just develop Rose, Tyrus, Thabo and Noah…..and I hate writing that too, as we Bulls fans have had to wait far too long already….
by tomspy77 on
Sep 17, 2008 3:54 AM CDT
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DRose too raw to start opener
He can’t shoot yet and I honestly don’t think we’re gonna witness tremendous passing displays very often during his first year. I think he’s gonna have to learn NBA defense first, or he’ll be a liability compared to Hinrich. Hinrich didn’t waste time pretending he belonged on the USA team this year so I’ll think he’ll show up to play and overachieve this season once again. That being said, I firmly believe we see DRose starting before the All-Star game for any of a variety of reasons. I like Kirk, and It’ll probably come down to keeping Kirk or Ben. I prefer Kirk by a landslide! The Bulls don’t play in elementary school so they can’t let everyone who tries hard play. I like Ben’s character but since we have Deng and DRose, I think we’re set on character for quite a while. Thabo seemed like he might be the answer at either 1 or 2, but his development has been shaky since his rookie campaign. 1’s out of the question, but his uncertainty even at the 2 will probably play into a decision to keep Hinrich, who has shown flashes of competently playing 2 for short stretches. Hinrich will definitely teach Rose defense the right way also. Not sure Hughes or Thabo are capable of anything mentor-like at all at this point. Gordon might want to pay attention too. And how come no one has noticed Ben hasn’t progressed mentally since his rookie year? Forget streaky, he just can’t seem to overcome certain mental obstacles like beating a good press at half-court, which I never thought would be the case with him. DRose has a playmaker mentality, and even if he’s a poor shooter, I still think his basketball IQ puts him above almost any other player on the roster. I see him starting when the fans grow furious and Paxson bows to public pressure like he did when he drafted Rose.
by JayDangles on
Sep 19, 2008 7:53 PM CDT
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