SBNBA Olympic Basketball primer
I don't really care about Olympic basketball or who wins. I think the only Bull participating is Nocioni, and, well....
BUT! If you do care (and who am I kidding, it's pro-level basketball so I'll watch it), two of SBNation's finest, AttheHive and GreenBandwagon, have been running through all rosters to get you ready.
Here are the previews thus far (look for Spain at Green Bandwagon on Friday): China, Argentina, Iran, Lithuania, Angola, Croatia, Germany, Australia, Russia, Greece.
I saw a bit of a US exhibition, and they are fine, but not dominant. I wouldn't be surprised (let alone dissapointed) if they lost, if for any reason because the medal round is a single-elimination tournament. Wacky things can happen, you all have tattered NCAA brackets to prove it.
(post idea swiped from Indy Cornrows)
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I still think
They should have kept Tyson over Prince as the last spot. They need more height, and they are a KG/Tim Duncan away from (almost) a dream team.
B.J. for three.... KABOOM!
more importantly they need more players than can rebound and Tyson can certainly do that
by fundamentallysound on Aug 7, 2008 11:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Compare this team to 92 or 96
The original team had Ewing, Admiral, Malone, and Barkley, the 2nd team had Hakeem, Shaq, Barkley, Admiral, and Malone. That’s a crapload of rebounders.
This team has only Bosh and Howard to play that role, Boozer isn’t that great of a rebounder either.
I also love how the 6’6 Ben Gordon is getting a whole summer of love simply because he hits 3 pointers.
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by Ozzie Montana on Aug 8, 2008 12:04 AM CDT up reply actions
He's a 6'6 Ben Gordon ...
who defends worse.
it's especially easy for him because of the shorter FIBA three point line
I’d imagine Deng can light it up from FIBA 3 given his consistency on the super-long 2 point shot in the NBA that he takes so frequently. Extend your range by a step Lu and you become about twice as dangerous!
by fundamentallysound on Aug 8, 2008 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions
I think this will hurt them
Australia was testing a scheme that forced Team USA to shoot from 15’ and beyond. If they make em, great. But when they miss all the team has to do is corral the basketball and head in the other direction.
I still think Team USA takes the gold pretty easily.
by NBA Observer on Aug 8, 2008 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions
not to say i don't think they'll win
i do, but they could be in trouble if one of the big guys gets in foul trouble or even injured or something.
either that or just bring 2 PGs – do you really need kidd, paul, and williams??
kidd was overkill and he's been playing like ass during the exhibition games
paul and williams on the other hand have been money.
by fundamentallysound on Aug 8, 2008 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions
they wanted
His “gold medal experience” on the team.
B.J. for three.... KABOOM!
by chibullsfan03 on Aug 8, 2008 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Sucks that Amare elected to stay home
But, their main weakness is just not playing defense the entire game. They just gamble a shitload for steals, and it scares a lot of teams. Against Spain or Argentina, I doubt that tactic works.
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I recommend watching the Patrick Femerling (Germany) youtube video
I’ve seen unimpressive highlight reels (Luol’s), and then I saw this one. Nobody puts in easy layups off highlight-reel-worthy passes like PatFem.
That is hilarious.
Wow. That has to be the worst youtube video to actually promote a player I’ve ever seen. ‘I am tall and can make layups off of really good passes! Yay!’
If you're not disappointed that the US doesn't get anything less than Gold you've got problems.
and other than Australia(last EXE game-so starters sat a lot for rest/injury prevention) they’ve been pretty close to dominant. And ya their rebounding is suspect but everyone knows they’re a little small compared to the other teams but they easily make up for it with talent/athleticism.
I guess I just don't have the fire
inside.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Aug 8, 2008 8:22 AM CDT up reply actions
Lebron's block to close the Australia game
was pretty cool. Lebron was basically disinterested in the play, but still gathered for a two foot takeoff and easily swatted an easy layup from behind the offensive player.
I think the team is fine is they attack the rim and take it easy on gambling to force turnovers and allow effective team defense to create them naturally.
by NBA Observer on Aug 8, 2008 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions
Patrick Mills
Looked really good (he’s the Australian PG, currently playing for St. Mary’s). He was really quick, and made CP look kinda bad at some points of the game.
Stop
Hating on Nocioni! Noc’ll be back to form next year and will prove you and the naysayers wrong.
For this I hope Noc and the Argentines do really well in the Olympics….!
if the Argentines do well it's because of Manu and Scola not Noce
by fundamentallysound on Aug 8, 2008 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions
In prelims Argentina was remarkably weak
Noc still got points. Scola had 32 and 28 in the 2nd half against Angola. Yay.
by NBA Observer on Aug 8, 2008 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions
Nocioni gets awesome treatment in his 'at the hive' description...
Andres Nocioni – If Carlos Delfino is "fiery," then Noce is on a whole ‘nother level of insane. He’s been suspended for an altercation with Tayshaun Prince, given a flagrant one call for a hard foul on Dwyane Wade, and has had a fan throw a drink at him (luckily, even though he’s crazy, he’s not Ron Artest crazy). He’s the virtual definition of a "garbage" player, and I mean that in the best way possible. Nocioni excels in turning broken plays into points and wreaking havoc on the defensive end. He hustles on every possession and is a great defender as well. Better than a 36% three point shooter for his career, he gives Argentina a great offensive threat, some scrappy defensive ability, but perhaps most importantly, a legitimate enforcer. LBJ showboating after a throw down? Don’t be surprised to see Andres lay down the law.
by JockstrapNoah on Aug 8, 2008 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions
I'd actually love to see Noc lay down the law...
...and get into some sort of drama with Bryant or LBJ. That would be great.
by JockstrapNoah on Aug 8, 2008 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions
that analysis lost all credibility when it deemed Nocioni a great defender
I think it’s been firmly established here that he is anything but a great defender. He’s one of the main reasons the Bulls gave up one of the highest 3pt% in the league last year because he leaves his man and his incessant flopping leave shooters open because people can’t recover in time to his man or he can’t recover in time because he’s left the guy and is too slow to get back.
by fundamentallysound on Aug 8, 2008 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions
maybe the chicken-with-head-cut-off defense
is more worthwhile in international ball?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Aug 8, 2008 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Nocioni has been widely regarded as a terrific defender
internationally by numerous analysts and fans. While I haven’t seen too much of him internationally, my rationale for my analysis:
1. No hand-checking rules: Andres is pretty well known for being extremely physical on man defense. While this may cost him in the NBA (as his 4.4 fouls/36 min in the NBA attests to), it’s actually a positive attribute internationally. There’s a lot more leeway given to slapping offensive players around, and so this “weakness” for Noce in the NBA is actually a plus.
2. Short three point line: This one is in response to your “leaving his man too often” comment. In FIBA/Olympics play, guards and wings tend to hang around 20 feet from the hoop- or right at the short three point line. So even if Nocioni leaves his assignment frequently, he has a much better chance of recovering in time. Instead of having to hustle back to a 23 foot three point line, he can come back to just 20 or 21 feet to contest a jumper. 2 or 3 feet is a huge difference.
3. Bulls != Argentina: Feel free to agree or disagree with this, but playing for the 33 win Bulls is vastly different than playing for a defending Gold Medalist. Playing for national glory or playing for Win #34 against the Bobcats? In my estimation, one brings out slightly more inspired/energetic play than the other.
Now can I have some of my credibility back? :)
We'll begrudgingly accept him as a fine international defender
Just trade David West for Noce and all will be forgiven ;)
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by Ozzie Montana on Aug 9, 2008 12:20 AM CDT up reply actions
Haha, how about for Mike James?
I hear he’s projected as the next West.
In all seriousness though, what are you guys expecting to get for Ben Gordon in a S&T? Obviously New Orleans doesn’t have the pieces (or wait! Did I just hear the Rasual Butler isn’t going to jail??) but I’ve heard teams like Cleveland want him..
no trades giving Lebron a potent weapon to destroy the rest of the East and NBA
with for the rest of his prime. No thanks.
by fundamentallysound on Aug 9, 2008 12:48 AM CDT up reply actions
We'll do it
if we can move the Cavaliers to the West. They’re closer to there anyways.
Player I most look forward to see play in Beijing =
BigSofo, as always. He’s so much fun to see play.
The Game chose him !
Wow, 26% in the poll say Argentina will win the Gold
I’m reading that Greece and Spain are better than Argentina. And of course the United States are better.
Spain is the number one threat to beat the US, followed closely by Greece
Argentina is getting that love because they have players with more name recognition like Scola, Noce, and especially Manu.
by fundamentallysound on Aug 8, 2008 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions
US is not gonna lose a single game...
Yes, they need more rebounding but that’s not gonna be enough for them to lose. It would have been great to have Amare or Duncan or Tyson, but we are so much better in all other areas that we can afford that weaknness. As big of an aspect as rebounding is in this game of basketball, I don’t think it will be enough for us to lose. Some games WILL be close (i.e. Australia we already saw) but Team USA take the Gold.
Yao Ming and 3 seconds.
There is no 3 second rule in international basketball! I didn’t know this. Try driving to the hoop Kobe! There is a 7’5” dude sitting there just waiting.
Nate Robinson has dunked on and blocked Yao
Height doesn’t really matter when they’re standing and your flying.
Yeah but.
Not having to worry about where you are standing at all times has to be an advantage for super tall shot blocking defenders, right? All you have to worry about is that guy coming down the lane. Nate Robinson is awesome though, I’ve seen that youtube of him blocking Yao.
by JockstrapNoah on Aug 8, 2008 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Nicely put....
I hope someone dunks on Yao and then wags their finger in his face Mutumbo style!!!!!!!!!!!
Leuol Deng is playing for GB
Noce is not the only Bull.
USA demolishes China, sky still blue
Pretty ho-hum affair (by Team USA standards). The pressing defense leads to really easy baskets by the opponent, but by the 2nd quarter China’s guards just freaked out and kept turning it over. They might not have cracked 50 had they not gone bananas from 3 in the 1st half.
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China wasn't expected ot be good so no surprise with the win.
What really bugged me was our lack of outside shootings. Specifically our 3 point shooters choking. That was a bit painful to watch. As much as I like dunks, it would be nice if could spread things out a bit.
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That was one of the things that was great to see
With all the talk of preparing for the shorter NBA-line the US still came out and sucked like porn stars from the three point line. :D
I was really expecting a blow-out in this one and was suprised at the poor play by the US/semi-good play by China. Remember that this is probably the second worst team in the group so don’t be too happy with the victory. Much harder challenges lie ahead. International basketball has become much more competitive and thus also more entertaining to watch. There are now 7 teams that wouldn’t surpise me by beating the US. The Europeans and Argentina. With half the teams in the tournament and a strong showing the first day I feel the chances are very good for a few, I guess you would call it “upsets”.
My predictions for the results after preliminary play are as follows:
Gr. A
1. Lithuania
2. Argentina
3. Croatia
4. Russia
5. Australia
6. Iran
Gr. B
1. Spain
2. USA
3. Greece
4. Germany
5. China
6. Angola
With the US struggles from deep today the rest of the world stands a pretty good shot with their zone defences and better team play and shooting. Looking forward to the rest of the tournament! :D
Yeah
I don’t expect it to be easy. We might not have as a difficult time guarding three point shooters since not every team will have a center that demands as much attention (and their three point shooting success in the first half was pretty much the only reason they were in the game at that point), but our own looked pretty bad with the zone defense like you said. I just didn’t see a lot to like from today’s game. Maybe the next one will be a better indicator.
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They should have had Jason Kapono and Tyson Chandler instead of Kidd and Prince.
Gives them another 3-pt specialist so they just aren’t hoping that Redd happens to be on when they need him. Gives them another big. Kobe and LeBron can defend the wing just fine, and they don’t have to worry about expending injury on defense because the team is loaded for offensive players.
It’d make them bigger and better.
Ben Gordon for teamUSA
he’ll get a contract bump like Hinrich!
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Aug 10, 2008 6:47 PM CDT up reply actions
</ just being annoying>
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Aug 10, 2008 6:48 PM CDT up reply actions
And given Gordon's love of the gym, he wouldn't marry some shrew and drop out then
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by Ozzie Montana on Aug 10, 2008 7:51 PM CDT up reply actions
LeBron basically backhanded Angola the whole game today
Again, not an amazing victory, but they looked dominant enough, LeBron just used his size to do whatever he felt like.
I can’t believe China almost beat Spain. They must have gotten a good dose of nationalism or something to compete with Spain because they looked awful when the US played them (and not just because the US was so superior, they really do suck).
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Yeah, that was an amazing game to watch.
They had solid home support bordering on fanatism with constant booing of the Spanish team. They were also helped by the Spanish shooting poorly from three and on FT’s, missing lay-ups early and fumbling the ball away on several occasions. Really impressed by Rudy and RIcky. Portland is really getting a player and I want Ricky for PG for the Bulls! Screw DR! ;) He pestered the Chinese on defense and was a big part of the amazing comeback with several alley-oops to Pau. It was however Marc Gasol on the floor woth the game on the line in the last seconds (to the announcers, and my own, surprise). And it was he who tied the game with a fading shot while being bodied by Yao. Really entertaining game. :)
I mean the kid is 17!!
And it was he with the ball in his hands almost for the entire home stretch. Remember Spain also has Navarro and Calderon! Instead it was “the Ricky and Rudy-show”. (Ok, helped by Pau and Marc…)
I didn't see the game against China
but Marc Gasol did not look good against Greece. Worse, he looked fat and slow.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Aug 12, 2008 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions
He hit the game-tying shot while being fouled when they were about to lose
that’s basically what I gave him cudos for. Pau was more of a weapon the entire game and it was SHOCKING to see that he wasn’t on the floor for that play. But, hey, it worked out for them.
again, I didn't see it
how was Marc overall?
In the first game Spain sat Pau, Juan Carlos Navarro, and Rudy to start the game. Just goes to show that international coaches love showing off that they’re ‘coaching’ as much as NBA coaches.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Aug 12, 2008 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions
He was just ok.
Except for that major play at the end of regulation when he saved the game for them. Shot 3/4FG. 2/3FT. 8 pts 5 rebs in 20 minutes.
Pau was 13/16 29/8
He's nothing to be too excited about
It’s definitely not a Rudy Fernandez to Portland situation (I’m predicting a Manu type impact if/when they make the playoffs).
In the games he’s played, outside of that prayer to send the game into OT he hasn’t done anything to get me to think he’ll be anything more than average in the NBA.
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by Ozzie Montana on Aug 12, 2008 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, I really don't know what that starting line-up was about
Makes you think Pau did something or the coach is just trying to show who’s boss like some other coaches we’ve known…
I watched Lithuania take on Iran earlier
and Hadidi would be a REALLY nice addition to the Bulls.(Or any other NBA team for that matter.) He’s got size 2.18 meters and some nice bulk for a non-american.( What do you guys put in the food anyways? Steroids?...) He’s also got some nice post moves. He almost got a 20-10 against a decent Lit frontcourt of amongst others Javtokas. If we can we should get him.
Their talkative captain, Sarunas Jak, also had a nice game and is really an inspirational motor for them. Lit is gonna cause some trouble down the line.
Greece played really well against Germany in a game I was expecting to be closer. They’re also going t o be tough to beat.
Didn’t get to watch the Croatia game but I can’t wait to see what they can do.
Didn’t bother with the US-game… Come on, it’s fricking ANGOLA! For the US the tournament starts in two days. I can’t wait!
forget 20-10
is he mobile at all? Honest question. If he can’t rotate on defense, he won’t be on the court no matter how good his jump-hook is (or whatever he does). Aaron Gray got 20-10 once.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Aug 12, 2008 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions
Don't think Gray at all
He’s not built like Pop-N-Fresh, a current NBA comparison escapes me right now, but he’s built like you would expect a 7 footer from Iran. Not freakishly strong, but still has a big enough body where he wouldn’t get totally abused.
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by Ozzie Montana on Aug 12, 2008 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, he looked pretty mobile.
Hey, Aaron gray amost got 20-20 once… ;)
He’s not built like Gray at all. Much leaner but still strong.
However I have never seen him before and this is just one game but first impression was good.
Not about the Olympic play
But True Hoop has got to freaking calm down with his China bashing. Really, does this guy talk about basketball anymore? If he wants to write a human-rights/politics/link dump blog he shouldn’t be doing it on ESPN. I don’t usually go to the site during the offseason, but it’s just brutal.
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I didn't read it
And I guess now I won’t for sure… ;)
I just skip those posts
and any of the non-basketball. TrueHoop cares way more than I do about what NBA players think, about anything. His latest post about Deng says that his goal is to talk to him about a book that they both read. Riveting.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Aug 12, 2008 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions
well, it was a 'bullet'
he didn’t give me fair warning :)
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Aug 12, 2008 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions
They are hard to miss
He posts everything in bullet format, so even if you aren’t looking for it, it catches your eye.
The problem is that he just tries way too hard to make NBA players seem interesting. Some of them are, most of them are utterly boring.
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by Ozzie Montana on Aug 12, 2008 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Is there a more mundane aspect of the internet
than blogging done by NBA players (outside of Agent Zero, of course)?
When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer
Ah, yes. How could I forget about that one.
Quite the journey!
When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer
I think those blog articles
Where sports teams are compared to random things (wine, characters from LOST, etc). Also, blog fights are quite comical (as in stopmikelupica’s little diatribe against BaB last year, or FreeDarko’s rage against PER).
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by Ozzie Montana on Aug 12, 2008 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions
You got a link to this?
stopmikelupica’s little diatribe against BaB
Would love to read it.
And it’s funny you meantion FreeDarko vs. PER…over on Sactown Royalty and FanHouse, Ziller has a couple of articles based around the premise that Kevin Martin is a much better value than Iggy based on PER.
When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer
Woops. That was obviously a reply to Ozzie. My bad.
When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer
Watching the US/Greece game, if Theodoros Papaloukas
ever comes to the US, he’s an all-star. 6’7" PG who went toe to toe with Kidd, Paul, and Deron for 28 minutes and ended with 15 points 8 boards 2 assists (would’ve been more assists if there were any inside presence on his team). Maybe those who watched the game would agree… he’s a taller, better defensive, average shooting, slightly less crisp Steve Nash. Which maybe isn’t anything like Steve Nash at all :) but he’s a stud.
I was so disgusted with all the running
and missing shots and the wholw US winning-bit so I didn’t watch it.
Of course they had the worlds largest chip on their shoulder but Greece didn’t do much of what you have to do to stand a chance of beating the americans.
Control the tempy. SLOW. cause they wanna run to take advantage of their crazy athleticisim.
To do that you must take care of the ball and not turn it over all the time.
You have to hit your FT’s and pretty much every other shot u get.
All these things they didn’t do today.
Gah! Now it’s up to Spain. Good luck!
Positive thing for Spainin the 1st quarter...
they had 10(!!!!) turnovers… Plenty of room to improve in other words…
And the USians are getting away with alot of fouls. Refs suck!

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