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Sign and Trade Possibility for BG

I was looking through this hoopsworld article, and it says:

"Gordon and BYC:  Assuming Gordon would accept a contract starting at roughly $10 million a season, the Bulls would have to send out an additional player to offset the BYC factor.  Considering the $25 million still owed to Larry Hughes over the next two seasons, the Bulls would probably have to include Andres Nocioni, Drew Gooden or Ty Thomas in any Gordon package.

Gordon ($10 million) with Tyrus Thomas permits the Bulls to take in a maximum of $11,037,350.  The receiving team would be credited with taking in $13.7 million in salary for which they would have to send out a minimum of $10,919,904 to match.  Of course, Gordon's amount could be adjusted and other throw-ins included, but the parameters for a workable deal may be very narrow.

Gordon combined with Gooden enables Chicago to take in as much as $15,288,978 in salary.  The trade partner would need to send out at least $13,640,946.  The numbers are slightly higher for Nocioni, who makes about $850k more than Gooden."

That got me thinking of sign and trade possibilities, so I went to the trade machine. I looked through the other teams' rosters, and tried to find some teams that would like to trade for Gordon and give him the money he wants. The team needs to be: 1. willing to spend money. 2. a good fit for Gordon. 3. have players that the Bulls might like to trade for. and 4. have contracts that make the deal work (preferrably short ones).

One team that fits all 4 requirements is the Lakers.

The Bulls acquire Lamar Odom, Jordan Farmar and Trevor Ariza (or not, I just like him).

The Lakers receive Ben Gordon (s+t for 10 mil in first year), Andres Nocioni, Joe Smith trade exception, and Cedric Simmons (if possible/necessary).

I know that trade exceptions can't be combined and have to be traded separately, but I think the Bulls can trade it for Trevor Ariza and Jordan Farmar (and if they can only get one player in return, then it'll be Ariza and Farmar will be included in the other deal with Odom, and the Cedric Simmons cntract balances everything out I think).

This trade works for Gordon because he gets his money and goes to a team that he feels wants him more. It works for the Bulls because they get rid of Nocioni's terrible contract, settle the Gordon negotiation, and get young players (Farmar and Ariza) and a good player (and expiring contract) in Lamar Odom. The Lakers don't really like Odom (I think) and Gordon would be great on a team where he's surrounded by Kobe, Gasol, and Bynum. The Bulls could also probably get some draft picks from the Lakers (in the late 20s probably).

I would still like to keep Gordon, but if nothing can be agreed upon then I think this trade is a good trade for both teams, benefits Gordon, and is a lot better than the QO for everyone involved.

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Nice work!!

I like the idea!!

Still, I think that would leave the Bulls one trade short of putting up a decent team. They would have a hole at Shooting guard (Rose/¿?/Deng/Odom/Noah).

I think we should package Hinrich and Gooden for a more or less decent SG.

by Agusnico on Aug 7, 2008 6:16 AM CDT reply actions  

Sign & Trade BG

Personally, I do not see a sign and trade happening between the Bulls with BG. I do not see anything happening, and he will roll the dice with the 1 year contract 6.5 mil then try to break the bank next year. I know historically not the best offer, but I it is my gut feeling on what is going to happen.

Also, the only player that got me excited on the list is Joe Johnson, but that is not going to happen with Atlanta. The Bulls offseason is pretty much done. By the way, not crazy about Laker trade. The Bulls will stand pat, like usualy.

by Jesse07 on Aug 7, 2008 8:23 AM CDT reply actions  

Don't like...

I can’t see the Bulls taking back another gaurd when they are trying to free up the logjam in the back court. Odom is a decent player but he isn’t anything to get excited about. I’d rather gamble with what we have than get Odom.

If the Bulls can not find a trade partner let BG take the QO and then figure out a trade by the deadline with BG or Hinrich as the center pieces of the trade.

I know we all want something to happen but making a move just to make a move doesn’t help.

by J Theory on Aug 7, 2008 8:32 AM CDT reply actions  

"Assuming Gordon would accept a contract starting at roughly $10 million a season"

Is way too big of an assumption, since he wants much more. If he’s willing to take that though, screw the trade, we should keep him.

by BNeL21 on Aug 7, 2008 9:21 AM CDT reply actions  

the contracts can increase by 10.5% of the initial salary each year

a deal starting at 10 million dollars would pay Gordon very handsomely (more than Deng, who is starting at $9.4 million this year). So yeah, I think he’d bite on that sized deal, but the Bulls aren’t going to do that and I can’t see the Lakers trading bigs for smalls and I just don’t like the trade much at all.

by fundamentallysound on Aug 7, 2008 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

Why complicate the deal?

When Gordon and Noc for Odom works fine…

I really like Odom as a player, but this is a terrible fit for the Bulls…we have a newly signed $12 million SF and three players battling for minutes at PF, not that Odom should play PF…we need a third team involved to make this deal feasible…

by Dionysus2.0 on Aug 7, 2008 10:04 AM CDT reply actions  

The Lakers

are not likely to trade Farmar. A Gordon/Noc/Simmons for Odom/Ariza type deal might be interesting, but I would rather try to come to terms with Gordon and keep him on the team. I do like the idea of getting Odom.
Noc/Hughes for Odom as a starting point and some throw ins to make the trade work…now that I like alot!

Sign Alex Gordon to a life time contract!!!

by eboston on Aug 7, 2008 10:45 AM CDT reply actions  

Why Lakers?

I don’t see how this deal works for the Lakers at all? They have Radmanovic and Walton, so Nocioni gives then another unathletic 3/4. They lose their PG of the future (Farmar is 21, and I think is going to be really good). And having BG and Sasha off the bench are too similar and not enough minutes to go around unless they want to make Kobe a full time 3. (and if they made Kobe a 3, they have over $20 million being spent on Noc, Radmanovic, and Walton to back up Kobe).

I think it would be a steal for the Bulls talent wise, but what do you do with Rose, Farmar, and Hinrich? And do Tyrus and Noah get no time to develop if we have Odom and Gooden?

The financial terms in your post were useful about how much we have to take back and what not, but I don’t think this scenario works at all.

by rb22 on Aug 7, 2008 10:50 AM CDT reply actions  

nocioni

is pretty athletic. Just because he is white and looks like a barry family member doesnt mean he isnt athletic. If you look at him during warm ups he does some pretty nice dunks (I have seen him do 360’s etc). Not that thats proof but his problem isn’t his athleticism, espescially at the 4. Maybe he is a little slow laterally at the three.

by Sambossanova on Aug 7, 2008 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Noc is most effective when he faces up the defender

and uses some of that aforementioned quickness to get past his defender. If he’s put at the 3, he even has some decent spin/post moves at his disposal. It’s when he decides to “shoot” the Bulls back into a game by non-stop chucking threes or his matador/foul-a-lot style of defense that causes some disdain amongst the BaB commentators.

by RogersPark Kris on Aug 7, 2008 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

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