What Might Have Been (Cavs/Bulls)
Looks like the Bulls were gauging Deng's trade value before agreeing to his new deal, and Cleveland might yet be interested in Hinrich (but at what cost?):
"The Cavs tried to work a sign-and-trade with Chicago for Luol Deng, but the Bulls decided to keep him to the tune of $71 million over six years. They'd rather have Deng (both the Cavs and Bulls) than restricted free agent Ben Gordon, who wants a Deng-type deal. The Cavs do have an interest in Kirk Hinrich, but nothing may come of that for a while -- if ever."
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Your headline made it sound like some missed opportunity
Sasha Pavlovic is a TALL shooting guard though…
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Aug 4, 2008 10:58 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Sorry, thanks for the edit...
It would have been interesting to see who they were willing to trade for Deng, interesting that Ben wasn’t high on their list either, and interesting that they still have their eye on Kirk.
by POSEYHATER on Aug 4, 2008 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
btw, I didn't edit the title because of that reason
just to make the subject matter more obvious from the outside.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Aug 4, 2008 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not one piece
of Cleveland’s roster is even slightly tempting. Yich.
Asked what kind of player he expects to be in the next five years, he said: "Not a star, but like, a superstar. Something around, like, Chris Paul, Kobe Bryant, LeBron James, Kevin Garnett, Paul Pierce, something like that."
by BigBenign on Aug 4, 2008 11:01 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Actually...
Based on BG’s contract demands, a sign and trade of Gordon for Lebron straight up might work under the cap rules…
Asked what kind of player he expects to be in the next five years, he said: "Not a star, but like, a superstar. Something around, like, Chris Paul, Kobe Bryant, LeBron James, Kevin Garnett, Paul Pierce, something like that."
by BigBenign on Aug 4, 2008 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cleveland could use a consistent outside shooter :)
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by Ozzie Montana on Aug 4, 2008 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well, if we wanted a total salary dump
we could offer them Hinrich and Nocioni for Big Z and Pavlovic, which would shave payroll for this year by 2.65 million which translates into a much nicer offer for BG this year. Big Z would be a legitimate center for us, and would come off the books in 2010 (assuming he doesn’t exercise his ETO for next year, which I’d say is a good assumption). Pavlovic sucks, but he expires this year. Allowing him and Gooden to expire this year would give us a pretty sizeable amount of cap space for 2009 and then the expiring Big Z in 2010 would allow us to be players in that FA pool as well. On talent, we get killed in that trade and I’d be wary of pairing Hinrich with a superduperstar in the backcourt in our division / conference, but there are worse trades out there, I guess.
by fundamentallysound on Aug 4, 2008 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
actually pairing two outside shooters like Nocioni and Hinrich with Lebron
would be bad news for the Bulls. I take this deal back from the table, even though it would be nice to shave that 2.65 million off the payroll for this year, this deal makes Cleveland too dangerous (more a complement to what Lebron can do with so little than praise for the merits of Kirk and Nocioni).
by fundamentallysound on Aug 4, 2008 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think the Cavs do it
Big Z is their second-best player, and if you take him off the team they have Varejao/Smith/Wallace frontcourt, yikes.
Noc for Eric Snow shaves $700k, meh. I’m pretty sure Snow is going to retire, and at least save whatever owner has him some cash (if not cap space). I would not dump Hinrich merely for expiring deals. Noc…yeah, probably.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Aug 4, 2008 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
this
shaves off even more.
I don’t think Pax would do such a blatant salary dump. Maybe after he signed Gordon for whatever’s left under the tax after a pretend deal like this one. Don’t know how he’d handle the timing on those moves, though.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Aug 4, 2008 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
damn, my work is blocking the trade machine link
who are the players in that deal you linked to?
by fundamentallysound on Aug 4, 2008 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's Noc and Simmons for Snow.
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by bullhockey on Aug 4, 2008 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ah i see.
that would be interesting to send Simmons right back to the Cavs. isn’t there some part of the CBA that limits the ability of teams to send players back to the team that traded them less than a year after they were dealt from said team? I thought I remembered hearing that.
by fundamentallysound on Aug 4, 2008 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's if they're waived
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Aug 4, 2008 6:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cleveland too dangerous?
That trade would kill Cleveland. A lineup of Hinrich, Wally World, LeBron, Noc, Ilgauskas doesn’t win a title this year or next yaer, and it puts them over the cap in ‘09 – the last year of LeBron’s contract.
Without any extra help in ‘09, LeBron finishes his contract without a title and bolts to a bigger market. Cleveland is stuck with just Hinrich, Nocioni, Gibson, and Hickson, and we never hear from any of them again.
by YaoPau on Aug 4, 2008 9:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Quick
Name the starting lineup Lebron took the NBA finals.
Exactly.
Asked what kind of player he expects to be in the next five years, he said: "Not a star, but like, a superstar. Something around, like, Chris Paul, Kobe Bryant, LeBron James, Kevin Garnett, Paul Pierce, something like that."
by BigBenign on Aug 4, 2008 11:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
All Lebron needs is shooters with a pulse to be extremely dangerous
give him shooters that are atleast semi-competent (ala Kirk and Nocioni) and he’s uber-dangerous. Also adding Kirk to that already potent Cavs defense would make scoring against their backcourt (where most of our scoring comes from) really damn hard. I basically don’t want to give Lebron extra weapons.
by fundamentallysound on Aug 5, 2008 8:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
interesting they don't want gordon
yet if you go to the nba truth and rumors (fannation.com) it has them possibly pursuing JR smith. which as so many people have argued is the same person as gordon only taller!
haha. and cheaper.
by Jaina on Aug 4, 2008 11:54 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
much much cheaper.
that’s the key for the super capped-out Cavs. Also, they have LeBron who seems like he’d be more forceful in reining in JR than Melo or AI ever has been. The Cavs team defense is also so good that they would be able to hide someone like Smith much easier than his current team, the Nuggs, can. It’s all about fit. He would be a great fit there, I think, especially on the cheap.
by fundamentallysound on Aug 4, 2008 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's true
which is why i think gordon would also fit there – but of course he’s not cheap. just interesting how they wouldn’t even explore possible trades for gordon…
also dear lord… so glad we didn’t trade deng to the cavs. who would we have gotten back?? (echoing the rest of the sentiment in this thread)
by Jaina on Aug 4, 2008 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah pairing Deng with Lebron would have been death for the rest of the East for years and years
and would have ruined NJN’s 2010 plan for Lebron.
by fundamentallysound on Aug 4, 2008 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
agree with mainstream
Nothing that cleveland has is very tempting to / for the bulls. The only position of interest would be their starting center, but the salaries would not match up, nor would sense.
All that is stated in the originating article is that Cleveland wanted Deng….yea…well..no crap. Every team is interested in Deng. Every.
by chicago-homesick-blues on Aug 4, 2008 4:21 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
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