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[Ha! From a Bulls fan's standpoint, this is great news to see the org.-bashing Jordan-licking Eddie-Munster-clone gone. Although his dark apprentice Greg 'I hated Hinrich all along!' Couch will undoubtedly try and pick up the 'slack'. -ed.]

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wow

peace Jay. hated you but loved you at the same time.

by gobulls1124 on Aug 26, 2008 11:22 PM CDT reply actions  

really?

I just hated him.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Aug 27, 2008 8:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

Thank God

Will his incredible “outside opportunities” include running a gambling website, like Mike North is currently doing?

by Big D on Aug 26, 2008 11:55 PM CDT reply actions  

I suspect Mariotti is right

A little OT, but I’ve actually done a lot of research on media outlets and Jay strikes me as a smart rat… that is, leaving a sinking ship.

by Sports2 on Aug 27, 2008 8:36 AM CDT reply actions  

Jay was just on the Score with Mully and Handley

he kept mentioning how it was the fact that the Sun-Times didn’t have a more up to date web site and that print media is dead. Hence the reason he left. But with the Chicago sports scene being as busy (Cubs, Sox, Bears starting their season, etc) I feel that he could have waited and there there is more to the story than he is saying.

by RogersPark Kris on Aug 27, 2008 8:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

Probably

I should have said he’s right in the big picture, but jumping without a landing spot is typically not the wisest move.

by Sports2 on Aug 27, 2008 8:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

He is still on ESPN

but he may have been pushed a bit. the Sun-Times is in deep trouble, but it’s not the website, it’s Conrad Black that’s at fault.

Also, he still ripped Reinsdorf.

by KT on Aug 27, 2008 8:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

you are correct...

I work in media…radio and now cable…newspaper circulation has steadily declined.

Step 1 - Win lottery. Step 2 - Hire a coach. Step 3 - Win.

by Lt.Dan on Aug 27, 2008 6:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

He

can start his own website called Blogaiotti and live off the advertisements…

by J Theory on Aug 27, 2008 8:57 AM CDT reply actions  

Mariotti is right

Newspapers are dying and the future is publishing on the Internet. I don’t know why it took so long to figure this out.

If you’re a newspaper that isn’t monetizing your web presence effectively and supplying reliable, timely updates as people log on at 8-10AM, then you’re already dead. You just don’t know it yet.

Print newspapers in the future will be weeklies.

Also, the free daily Red Eye is a god awful piece of crap that far too many people read, but the only reason for that is because they want to read something and the other free stuff is worse than the Red Eye.

by NBA Observer on Aug 27, 2008 9:09 AM CDT reply actions  

heh

BlogBurst is an endless source of amusement.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Aug 27, 2008 9:19 AM CDT reply actions  

good grief

he really is a self-serving idiot – I listened to the whole Hanley and Mully interview and they soft-shoed it. I want someone to ask him about his ever-changing opinions and maybe how his Reinsdorf hate grew out of his obsessive love for Michael Jordon.

Oh, and how he can write about how the atmosphere is poisonous in the Sox club house when he hasn’t been in the Sox club house in years.

by KT on Aug 27, 2008 10:01 AM CDT reply actions  

I hated his constant

attacks on Ozzie, Reinsdorf and the Sox.

with that said, his story on the white sox championship was incredible.

what a loser. or maybe he’s just bipolar with a tremendous gift that he’s wasting.

by gman2849 on Aug 27, 2008 10:48 AM CDT reply actions  

This guy was garbage. He had no heart and wrote for the sole purpose of controversy. He would praise and rip teams for the same reasons in the same week:

The Bulls are back and have endeared themselves to the city by being scrappy hard-workers! The Bulls suck because Reinsdorf is cheap and is content with scrappy hard-workers instead of stars!

Dusty Baker has reinvigorated the Cubs and the team is poised to take its loyal fans to the promised land! Wrigley never looked better and it’s because the guys in Trib Tower finally got it right! Baker is the worst manager in MLB history and the team is trash, but that’s what the Cubs’ drunken idiot fans deserve! The Trib blew it because they are cheap money guys who know nothing about baseball! And Wrigley should be demolished!

Based on second-hand reports, he was just as hated by his co-workers as by his readers.

by Stay Chisel on Aug 27, 2008 11:07 AM CDT reply actions  

Wow

I felt like I was really reading a Mariotti column. Goodbye and good rittens!

by bigballa10 on Aug 27, 2008 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

He has no heart?

You mean he doesnt write like he loves the teams? When I want to hear from people with unconditional love for their teams I turn to Blogabull. When I want an objective opinion I go to guys like Mariotti.

Whether you love him or hate him the guy was very skilled and his readership was always very high.

I never understood how people could loath the guy so much for his opinions.

by chlutz508 on Aug 27, 2008 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

no I just hate him.

If you loved him you’re stupid. Mariotti had unconditional love for Mariotti.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Aug 27, 2008 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

and he had no real opinions

his only opinion was a contrarian one to generate controversy. Remember, we were making him more famous by talking about him!

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Aug 27, 2008 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

shhhhhhh

with every comment he lasts in the collective consciousness that much longer….

The poster formerly known as Freethefro.

by MPG on Aug 27, 2008 7:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

No

“He has no heart” meaning “he does not write from the heart, but from the most controversial POV at all times.” The reason people loathe him is because he stirred the pot at every opportunity, whether he believed what he wrote or not. Mariotti is the phoniest columnist in Chicago history. I’m OK with someone hating Chicago sports teams, so long as that’s what they really believe. This jag was nearly bipolar is his assessment of Chicago teams. One day the Cubs/Bears/Bulls are the feel good story of the year, the next they are the worst thing to happen to pro sports.

Mariotti went out of his way to find negative stories. It’s like he’s jealous of athletes and made it his life’s mission to try to tear them down. A friend of mine was at a Chicago club a month or so ago and said Mariotti was there, sitting by himself at a table for two. I thought that was so fitting. Who would want to pal around with someone who is so negative? Certainly nobody at the Sun-Times as (I have now confirmed) people were high-fiving in the hall when his departure became known. Bottom line, dude sucks.

by Stay Chisel on Aug 27, 2008 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Because Mariotti is a hackjob

The only journalist that covers sports in such a high-profile manner who is worse than Jay is Skip Bayless.

"I’m gonna rise up, gonna kick a little ass. Gonna kick some ass in the USA. Gonna climb a mountain, gonna sew a flag, gonna fly on an eagle. I’m gonna kick some butt, gonna drive a big truck. I’m gonna rule this world. I’m gonna kick some ass. I’m gonna rise up, gonna kick a little ass. Rock, flag, and eagle!"

by Ozzie Montana on Aug 27, 2008 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think you guys are representing the overly sensitive Chicago sports fans.

If you dont like him because he was really negative then thats fine, but our teams usually suck. They deserve to be criticized.

I think he makes a good point when he says that Chicago fans need to be spoon-fed.

I am as much of a kool-aid drinking Chicago Sports Fan as anyway, and hated most articles that he wrote. I guess I didnt like the harsh tasting reality of mediocre sports in this city.

by chlutz508 on Aug 28, 2008 8:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

Many didn't like him because he was negative

I’d say it’s more apt to dislike him because he was negative just to be negative. Which is entirely different.

by Sports2 on Aug 28, 2008 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

That makes more sense

What, did he just figure out that newspapers are slowly dying? He signed a hefty contract extension just a few months ago. I don’t know if the Sun-Times editors are smart enough to realize it, but Mariotti did them a huge favor.

by Big D on Aug 27, 2008 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

uhh

so when Editor Michael Cooke is asked about Mariotti’s resignation and he responds “You’re kidding?” he clearly must be ready to light the candles and blow them out.

by NBA Observer on Aug 27, 2008 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Like I said, they're not smart enough to realize he helped them out

The Sun-Times is losing a ton of money, so why give a huge contract to a columnist whom everyone hates? Judging by their circulation figures, he obviously didn’t sell many newspapers.

by Big D on Aug 27, 2008 5:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well, apparently they do realize it

http://blogs.chicagoreader.com/news-bites/2008/08/27/jay-mariotti-leaves-sun-times-and-hell-have-compan/

Jay Mariotti tells the editor in chief of the Sun-Times, Michael Cooke, Tuesday evening that he’s quitting. As of immediately. But on Wednesday he shows up back at the paper to tape his ESPN show, Around the Horn, in what Cooke calls “the nice little TV studio we built for him.”

“It’s for the last time,” Cooke tells me.

But why didn’t you throw him out? I wondered.

“This may escape Jay, but it’s the question of dignity,” says Cooke.

Cooke doesn’t want to get into the details, but he notes that Mariotti, in his 17-year career at the Sun-Times, threatened to quit many times before. The paper always found a way to change his mind, and Cooke supposes it might have been able to find a way once again." He gave us an opportunity to pull the trigger, which we’ve never done in the past," says Cooke. “This time we pulled the trigger.”

A couple months ago, the Sun-Times spilled a lot of its own ink publicizing Mariotti’s latest contract, which was supposed to keep him at the paper through May 2011. “It’s interesting that a guy walks out on a contract after spending a lifetime criticizing other people for not observing their their contracts,” says Cooke. “I’m sure that irony won’t escape our readers.”


Cooke adds, “We’re not hearing from grief-stricken fans. The truth is quite the opposite. Quite the opposite. We’ve gotten hundreds of e-mails, including ones that say ‘Now we’ll buy the paper.’ By all indications our circulation will go up.”

Anyway, he’s got other things to worry about. Bad times have been followed by worse times at the Sun-Times, and Cooke had to meet Tuesday afternoon with leaders of the Chicago Newspaper Guild, giving them the bad news that the paper needed to cut salaries to the tune of three columnists, a reporter, a photographer, and five editorial assistants. Going by guild scale, the combined yearly salaries of those positions comes to about $580,000.

So when Cooke received Mariotti’s memo that afternoon that said “I quit,” he had every reason to think, well, that’s convenient. With more on his mind than Mariotti, Cook wrote and emailed the following staff memo:
The Sun-Times continues to manage through the unprecedented newspaper economic downturn. While our circulation, in context, continues to be acceptable, advertising revenues are awful. So again we are left with no choice but to cut our costs to try to match the reduced income.
 
Today, we met with newsroom union representatives and presented a package of proposed staff cuts. The number has been reduced through recent attrition. We’ll be talking — and negotiating — over the next few days and I expect the picture to be clearer by the end of next week.
 
To state the obvious: this is awful. We are all anxious. However:
 
* We have cash which we can use to operate.
* We will be in much better shape, even good shape, when the slump ends.
 
I take my hat off to our newsroom. Every day, in tough circumstances and with diminished resources, we continue to publish a terrific newspaper with the kind of journalism that keeps people reading us.
 
Meanwhile, the next few weeks are going to be hard as we say goodbye to valued colleagues and good friends.
 
Michael
 

Says CNG’s executive director, Gerald Minkkinen, after the guild-management meeting “things happened that could change the picture.”

What?

“Jay Mariotti resigned.”

Mariotti’s salary is between him and the paper, but it undoubtedly represents a huge chunk of that $580,000. And so it was that Mariotti, instead of hearing back from Cooke, heard instead from a Sun-Times lawyer that his resignation had been accepted.

by Big D on Aug 27, 2008 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well, that's one way to spin it

Another might be to say Mariotti knew what was coming and saved some other guys’ jobs.

I mean, I’m not saying that’s what happened, and even if it did he’d never admit it and ruin his well-deserved reputation as force of malice and hot air.

by Sports2 on Aug 27, 2008 6:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's Deadspin

Certainly as believable as it is truthful. It’s Gawker Media. You know that bastion of accuracy and defender of their reputation.

by NBA Observer on Aug 27, 2008 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

it's the internet

you know that…

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Aug 27, 2008 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Quote...

I read two blogs daily, this one, and then DaBearsBlog.Com

I encourage Bears fans to check it out…

I think that Jeff, the Blogger over there had a great take on Mariotti.

He was everything I despised about modern sports journalism. He pounced on athletes from the moral highground usually reserved for Trappists monks. His contrarian “approach” was nothing more than negativity-mongering; a cheap attempt to gain attention through meanness of his spirit. His opinions were never accurate and never were they held accountable by his peers. He missed the true beauty of sports in his eagerness to find the ugliness of its participants. Worse than all that, he was never that good at making sentences.

Jay’s reason for quitting is simple: the newspaper business is dead. He’s right. The internet has taking over. But you’d think a man who loves newspapers so much would understand how pivotal their role will be in a medium of frightening ambiguity and anonymity. Now, more than ever, we need the editorial concept. We need journalistic checks and balances. I’ve read almost everything Jay Mariotti has written in the last ten years. I’ve held a copy of the Chicago Sun-Times in my hands four times. The “paper” might die but the “newspaper” never will – especially if they come to embrace their identity on this crazy magic box.

Ultimately though, Jay buries himself. “To see what’s happened in this business…I don’t want to go down with it.” He exits the stage as he always graced its wooden planks – with cowardice.

by kidronmusic on Aug 27, 2008 12:38 PM CDT reply actions  

Don't bring the Trappists into this!

They make excellent beer. I don’t think Mariotti can say that either.

by Sports2 on Aug 27, 2008 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah. I like that post.

I’m pretty happy about this. Mariotti was the worst columnist I’d ever read. His points rarely [if ever] made sense, but we get the Sun-Times every day so I’d read them anyways. And get kind of angry.
Good riddance.

by Prevenge on Aug 27, 2008 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well I thought the curt and rude response of the Sun-Times Editor,

after the Trib emailed an inquiry, was really interesting. It made me think that it’s not just Jay Mariotti who was a rude hack. Maybe there’s a manual they’re all following over there…

"It’d be ridiculous to hate someone for simply what they say in a sports blog. But I greatly dislike every syllable of your angst-filled, smarmy, nondescript, half-assed, elitist-garbage responses." –Rogerspark Kris

by bullhockey on Aug 27, 2008 1:31 PM CDT reply actions  

it may have been

the first he heard of it.

Mariotti didn’t send the sports editor his resignation, but the sports editors bosses.

by KT on Aug 27, 2008 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

you can't replace John Jackson!

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Aug 27, 2008 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wow.....Mike North and Mariotti gone in the same summer?

Truly a glorious age we live in.

"I’m gonna rise up, gonna kick a little ass. Gonna kick some ass in the USA. Gonna climb a mountain, gonna sew a flag, gonna fly on an eagle. I’m gonna kick some butt, gonna drive a big truck. I’m gonna rule this world. I’m gonna kick some ass. I’m gonna rise up, gonna kick a little ass. Rock, flag, and eagle!"

by Ozzie Montana on Aug 27, 2008 2:02 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Dear Jay Mariotti...

I thought you were a reactionary, sanctimonious, disingenuous moron, but I give credit where credit is due. Hence, I have to say that I absolutely, positively will not miss your daily strident screeds, your irrational musings, your pompous diatribes, your petty and transparent personal agendas, your prosaic writing, your nonsensical nicknames, your awkward attempts at pithy wit, your disdain for Chicago, nor your fat, plasticine, rouge red, jowly mash face.

Worst of luck to you.

LSU 38 OHIO STATE 24 - LSU IS THE NATIONAL CHAMPION AND I AM THE KING OF BOURBON STREET!!

by 1958ChiTown on Aug 27, 2008 4:40 PM CDT reply actions  

OMG
The Chicago Sun-Times and suntimes.com will continue to have the scores and the stories before anyone else, anywhere, and the deepest and most comprehensive stats and standings. We wish Jay well and will miss him — not personally, of course — but in the sense of noticing he is no longer here, at least for a few days.

Can that possibly be a real press release? If it is, I may start subscribing to the Sun-Times now.

by Big D on Aug 27, 2008 7:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Deadspin story is true

Rick Telander confirms it here, and has a few parting shots for Mariotti:

“Finally, hopefully forever, they called this person’s bluff,” said Telander. “You can only hold your breath and lie on the floor and pound your fist and kick your feet so many times. Why it took the paper so many years to do this is really just a tragedy.” The antipathy between Telander and Mariotti was mutual, but other sportswriters around town didn’t like Mariotti either. “I’ve got a lot of reporters jealous of me. To hell with them,” Mariotti told me a couple of years ago, when Ozzie Guillen called him a “fucking fag” and the press corps didn’t exactly rally round.

A tragedy? I asked Telander.

“Because the damage a ‘humorless loner,’ as you described him [I did], can do to an overstressed sports department is incalculable.” He said the sports department lost its cohesion and became “sinister and secretive and fuck your buddy. It was the worst possible teamwork conditions.”

Telander wondered, “Why, if you have somebody like this, do you wait for him to quit? Why don’t you just cut him? I will never know. The good thing is that this is a chance for rebirth. This is joy. A whole shitload of guys called me last night joyous! Ding dong, the witch is dead! I want to get everybody together. I want to have a team meeting. I want to give a fiery pregame prep talk and I want us to come charging out of the locker room with our guns blazing, not slinking out like a bunch of dirty little rodents.” He said, “Even on a sinking ship, if we’re going down let’s go down standing up and not on our knees.”

Is Stu Courtney the man to lead you? I asked.

"He’s been so undermined that I think this is his moment to shine too. He sounded like a new man today. He did, he sounded like a new man. He’s been made to eat shit for years because of this guy.

“I don’t even know to feel,” Telander went on. “I just don’t know. But if he’s gone forever, praise the lord.”

by Big D on Aug 27, 2008 11:29 PM CDT reply actions  

this reminds me

of when Telander had his brief stint on WSCR and tried to get the co-hosts (Buffone and J.Hood) into some casual team-building outside of work, and they were all weirded out. Then Rick would play his guitar….

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Aug 28, 2008 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

is that you?

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Aug 28, 2008 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

No

I think the Sun-Times is still pretty much garbage. I’d like to see them survive, because a two-newspaper town is vastly preferable to a one-paper town, but it doesn’t look good for them.

by Big D on Aug 28, 2008 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Roger Ebert has joined the fray

http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080828/COMMENTARY/808289997

Dear Jay,

What an ugly way to leave the Sun-Times. It does not speak well for you. Your timing was exquisite. You signed a new contract, waited until days after the newspaper had paid for your trip to Beijing at great cost, and then resigned with only an email. You saved your explanation for a local television station.

As someone who was working here for 24 years before you arrived, I think you owed us more than that. You owed us decency. The fact that you saved your attack for TV only completes our portrait of you as a rat.

Newspapers are not dead, Jay, although you predicted the death of the Sun-Times and the Tribune. Neither paper will die any time soon.

Job-hunting tip: It is imprudent to go on TV and predict the collapse of a newspaper you might hope would hire you. Times are hard in the newspaper business, and for the economy as a whole. Did you only sign on for the luxury cruise? There’s an old saying that you might have come across once or twice on the sports beat: “When the going gets tough, the tough get going.” Newspapers are not dead, Jay, because there are still readers who want the whole story, not a sound bite. If you only work on television, viewers may get a little weary of you shouting at them. You were a great shouter in print, that’s for sure, stomping your feet when owners, coaches, players and fans didn’t agree with you. It was an entertaining show. Good luck getting one of your 1,000-word rants on the air.

The rest of us are still at work, still putting out the best paper we can. We believe in our profession, and in the future. And we believe in our Internet site, which you also whacked as you slithered out the door. I don’t know how your column was doing, but we have the most popular sports section in Chicago. The reports and blog entries by our Washington editor Lynn Sweet have become a must-stop for millions of Americans in this election year.

After a recent blog entry I wrote about the Beijing Olympics, I woke up at 5 a.m. one morning, when North America was asleep, and found that 40 percent of my 100 most recent visitors had been from China. I don’t have any complaints about our Web site. So far this month my Web page page has been visited from virtually every country on earth, including one visit from the Vatican City. The Pope, no doubt. Hope you were doing as well.

You have left us, Jay, at a time when the newspaper is once again in the hands of people who love newspapers and love producing them. You managed to stay here through the dark days of the thieves Conrad Black and David Radler. The paper lost millions. Incredibly, we are still paying Black’s legal fees.

I started here when Marshall Field and Jim Hoge were running the paper. I stayed through the Rupert Murdoch regime. I was asked, “How can you work for a Murdoch paper?” My reply was: “It’s not his paper. It’s my paper. He only owns it.” That’s the way I’ve always felt about the Sun-Times, and I still do. On your way out, don’t let the door bang you on the ass.

Your former colleague,

Roger Ebert

by Big D on Aug 28, 2008 7:46 PM CDT reply actions  

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