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Blazers Offer Outlaw and Prz for Hinrich

The guy who broke the rumored Miller deal before McGraw and the others picked it up is reporting that the Blazers have offered Joe P. and Travis Outlaw for Hinrich. The Bulls have apparently countered with an offer of Gordon, which if it is true... wow, just wow. Anyway, I'd be fine with an Hinrich for JP and Travis Outlaw swap. An extra serviceable big and a young up and coming wing player with a developing skill set for a guy we need to clear out anyway isn't a bad deal.

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It's dead around here...

You can tell not much has been going on—it’s been 45 minutes and nobody’s commented on this.

Asked what kind of player he expects to be in the next five years, he said: "Not a star, but like, a superstar. Something around, like, Chris Paul, Kobe Bryant, LeBron James, Kevin Garnett, Paul Pierce, something like that."

by BigBenign on Aug 26, 2008 9:18 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

As Much As Hinrich Sucked Last Season...

I would rather keep him for now. I know we have Rose, but who else is going to play PG. I guess Hughes could play some PG relief, as could BG if we kept him. Both of those guys are more scorers then PGs. I like dumping BG alot better. Outlaw would steal minutes from Deng but would free up the possibility of dumping Nocioni. Wouldn’t be bad, but it doesn’t seem like a trade that would make us all that much better. Our problem is not a lack of talent, but a lack of top tier talent.

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by Bigred15 on Aug 26, 2008 9:19 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

dumping a good player is dumb

The Bulls can find a backup PG off the scrap heap, and the drop in production woudn’t be nearly as bad as playing Hinrich at SG.

by hscs on Aug 26, 2008 9:23 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I also don't understand why backup PG is that big of a concern

Gordon and the great Thabo can pick up some minutes in that spot as well.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Aug 26, 2008 9:46 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Gordon and what contract?

Did I miss something, or is BG still unsigned. Yeah…

by smash! on Aug 27, 2008 8:29 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Because the best alternatives

that we’re hearing being suggested are to play two shooting guards at the point to spell Rose. I don’t know how many teams do that willingly.

by messwiththebull on Aug 27, 2008 8:53 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

you forgot scrap heap PG

he can ‘initiate offense’ in a Duhon-esque way.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Aug 27, 2008 9:14 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

A backup PG may not be all that important

But some still needs to show Rose the ropes. I understand that Rose was the number one pick, but he is only 19 and the possibility is there that he could be a bust. We are also one injury away from have ZERO PGs on the roster if is Hinrich is traded.

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by Bigred15 on Aug 27, 2008 9:23 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

if he's a bust it doesn't matter

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Aug 27, 2008 9:26 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Outlaw's Noc-esque USG% is frightening,

but it’s a decent enough trade for Hinrich. Gah, I really don’t like the idea of two scrap-tastic forwards eating Thomas’ minutes, and it’s even worse if it costs Gordon.

by hscs on Aug 26, 2008 9:19 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yeah,

if they do the Gordon version of the deal, I will literally throw things.

by fundamentallysound on Aug 26, 2008 9:28 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

agreed

Gordon giftwrapped to the Blazers for yet more ‘guys’ is just awful.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Aug 26, 2008 9:58 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

They have Bayless

until he bombs, they would have no use for Gordon and his contract.

by messwiththebull on Aug 27, 2008 8:54 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Worst episode ever.

Prz makes $6.3M and Outlaw makes $4M, while Kirk only makes $10M.

So this deal would actually make it harder to sign Gordon, which is about the only potential upside I see to trading Hinrich. Especially trading him for an injury-prone clod an another tweener forward.

The fact that TechN9ne, who always comes across as a Bulls mouthpiece to me, suggests the Bulls didn’t laugh and hang up on Kevin Pritchard scares the fuck out of me.

And yeah, trading Gordon for those guys is similarly stupid. I also don’t see why the Blazers would think Gordon is sensible for them when they’re starting out a similar sort of player (Jerryd Bayless) on a rookie contract, they’ve got Roy, and they’ve got Rudy Fernandez. I thought Gordon made some sense for them several months ago when they just had Roy, but if I were the Blazers I’d go with the two very cheap high potential guys over the one expensive guy.

I can see why Hinrich would be a better fit for them since he’s a better facilitator than Gordon, but I don’t see any reason for us to take back Joe Palooka making $7M+ in 2010 and still not solve the Gordon issue either.

Yuck!

by Sports2 on Aug 26, 2008 9:38 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   1 recs

I disagree from the Blazers standpoint

they’d likely want Gordon because they’re interested in winning, and soon. Saying that Bayless is similar yet cheaper is more of a Bulls-type philosophy.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Aug 26, 2008 9:43 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

They are in no rush

they can afford to see if Bayless can give them what Gordon would at a much discounted price. Why overpay for anybody right now? They’re sitting pretty heading into the season and can afford to let this year play out to see how close they are to being a legit contender.

by messwiththebull on Aug 27, 2008 8:55 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

oh man

I didn’t do the contract math. I assumed the goal of the trade was to avoid the tax, not to become even more mediocre.

by hscs on Aug 26, 2008 9:43 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Getting something in return

Perhaps the Bulls management truly do not and cannot see eye to eye with BG (short joke?) and are simply looking to get something in return for his imminent departure at this point. Not saying I like it, just that Outlaw and JP for BG is better than a cloud of dust for BG.

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by BigBenign on Aug 26, 2008 9:46 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

the problem is that it assumes Portland WILL pay his salary demands

so if they can, why can’t the Bulls? Hasn’t the market then been set?

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Aug 26, 2008 10:04 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

though now that I type that

it makes a Gordon version of this deal seem far-fetched.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Aug 26, 2008 10:14 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

"Setting the market"

That term, I think, is largely full of crap, but I think if it means anything it means having an offer on the table. So, um, didn’t the Bulls “set the market” for Ben last summer when they offered $5/50M?

I keep hearing people (rumored to include John Paxson) try to talk around that, but it all seems like a bunch of talking points to me. Especially when the Bulls talked up last year’s offer as being at a discount due to having “security” against some sort of catastrophic injury. The Bulls set the market. They offered up a contract that, in fact, they believed was under what the players actually deserved. Which make’s Paxson’s recently reported “doing a favor” statement about last year’s offer pretty much full of it.

by Sports2 on Aug 26, 2008 11:22 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Who said they would?

The article talks about Portland approaching the Bulls for Hinrich. Not for Gordon.

by J Theory on Aug 27, 2008 9:04 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I guess the Bulls did

since they responded to the Blazers asking about Hinrich by trying to sell them Gordon

by Sports2 on Aug 27, 2008 9:06 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Even if they did

doesn’t mean they will want Gordon. Portland wants a PG not a shooting guard. That’s why there is a rumor out there of them talking to Memphis for one of there point guards.

by J Theory on Aug 27, 2008 9:13 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

the comment I was replying to said they would.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Aug 27, 2008 9:16 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I prefer LaFrentz

In the last few weeks I’ve been quiet, trying to understand how far this story about BG goes. But I’m starting to be sick of this… It’s time to Pax to do something. Trading with Portland might be, effectively, the best solution. We know the Bulls wont get in return a star. So, why not trade BG for someone like LaFrentz instead of Outlaw and Joe P?

LaFrentz is not going to make the Bulls better. But he’s contract is similar with what BG wants. And he only have one more year left… So, by the end of this year, we would have saved 24 million with LaFrentz and Hughes…

Please Pax, don't trade Hughes! Just make sure that he stays injured until... 2010!!!

by bull83 on Aug 26, 2008 10:06 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hughes has 2 years left

curse those big-market Blazers!

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Aug 26, 2008 10:07 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Completely forgot about that

Please Pax, don't trade Hughes! Just make sure that he stays injured until... 2010!!!

by bull83 on Aug 26, 2008 10:19 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Another team will get involved

There was a article or a chat where it was mentioned the best scenario for the Bulls was to come up with a three way trade. I can see this growing into a three teamer trade. Portland approached the Bulls for Hinrich and I don’t see them taking Gordon because as mentioned above they have Bayless.

Outlaw duplicates Deng/Noc so you see Noc being moved and that can happen in a three way. Hopefully the Bulls and Portland put there heads together and get someone like Memphis on the phone. I can see these three teams switching some players around and being competitive in the league.

Keeping as much assets around until the Bulls can make a trade for a superstar is the best scenario imo.

by J Theory on Aug 27, 2008 9:10 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That article or chat

said that because trading a BYC player is difficult an the author apparently didn’t know the Bulls had a trade exception.

As far as the Blazers, I think the deal on the table is pretty much a non-starter. As it stands, I don’t see why they’d want Gordon and I don’t want back what they’re offering for Hinrich.

On the other hand, I do see some potential for a deal. I could see things work out this way.

Hinrich. As a Bulls fan, the inducement for me to get rid of Hinrich is to sign up Gordon. Thus, there needs to be less salary coming back. Second, there needs to be no 2010 salary coming back, so we open up space there. Check out Portland’s salaries an we see there could be some options.

If the Blazers would have some interest in Nocioni there are a lot of things I’d be interested in. How about something like
Kirk, Noc, Simmons = $19.7M outgoing salary
for
Raef (expiring contract), Channing Frye (tall, can shoot), and Sergio Rodriguez (interesting backup PG) = $16.7M outgoing salary.

That clears the decks for us in 2010, gives us a couple of pieces to think about until then, and gives us an additional $3M in salary space this year before we hit the luxury tax in order to deal with Gordon.

I think, provided I could get serious with Gordon and get some assurance that he’d sign within that range if we finally make an a comparable offer to what we made last year, this is a great deal for the Bulls.

1- Rose, Sergio
2- Gordon, Hughes
3- Deng, Thabo
4- Gooden, Thomas
5- Noah, LaFrentz, Gray

Yes, we’re rebuilding, but the core pieces would be in place and the rest of the guys are short-termers. That’s the reality of the situation whether we make a trade to reflect it or not.

I also think that’s a very good trade for the Blazers. Kirk and Noc aren’t bad players, and they seem to be nearly ideal fits for the (many) pieces they already have in place.

by Sports2 on Aug 27, 2008 9:43 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I like ALOT

and if a superstar becomes available before the trade deadline imagine how juicy a Gooden – LaFrentz offer will look…

by J Theory on Aug 27, 2008 9:47 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Portland LOVES Frye

and he loves Portland.

From Portland’s perspective, I don’t see how this resolves much.

Hinrich’s a better PG than anyone on the Blazers right now. Will he be in two years? Maybe, but not likely. KP’s not in a hurry to win this year, so that’ll be a big Q. Does Hinrich fit well? Do you need someone that good? Roy, Oden, Alderidge, Bayless, Fernandez will be options ahead of Kirk. Do you need someone as good as Kirk, then? You have Blake already, who shoots better from outside and can get those guys the ball. Do you drop a solid backup C for a 5th option on offense and better pg D?

The Noc part is more intriguging, but the dude can’t make offensive plays like Outlaw. All signs point to Outlaw finally starting to work on his game (in five years, this will be the first time he practiced in the off-season and conciously tried to improve). That’ll be worth seeing. More worth seeing than how Noc would fit.

But, the biggest question of all is why would you trade Hinrich for cap-space, and we apparently would give you cap-space for Hinrich? Given all the questions surrounding how well Hinrich would work for the Blazers, could they keep their cap-space and find a better fit?

Seriously, because of how bad of a fit Hinrich would be (if the blazers didn’t make another move), they’d probably be more interested in Nocioni (at a different price). Everything changes if other moves are made. Just don’t expect to see the Blazers enter the season with one SF.

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by hobobob on Aug 27, 2008 2:49 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Indeed

We all have love affairs with our backup power forwards. But yeah, Hinrich will be better than the other PGs on your roster in two years. Who are the other ones? Fernandez and Bayless look like SGs more than point guards and Sergio has largely been a bust.

So yeah, Hinrich is still your starter in two years. My prediction would be that only one of Rudy and Jerryd really tops out, and if that’s the case you’d be better off starting one of them with Roy at the 3 and Hinrich.

We’d trade Hinrich for cap space because
1. We just hitched our wagon to Derrick Rose
2. We need to free up salary to sign Gordon
3. We’re a team that needs cap space and flexibility to change things up.

You’d trade for Hinrich because he actually is a good fit for you. He’d be your best PG by a mile, and there’s a good chance he’ll still be your best PG by a mile in a couple years. Even if he’s not, he seems like a fairly good fit next to a slight guy like Rudy or Bayless who don’t project as top notch defenders. With solid inside play backing him up, Kirk would take the tougher defensive assignments when paired with either of those guys.

And who’s to say you find a better fit with cap space? The nice thing you’ve got going is that much or your team’s core is set, and it’s set with a couple guys who project as real stars. You need good role players around them, and slightly more veteran guys. From that perspective Hinrich and Nocioni both fit the bill.

by Sports2 on Aug 27, 2008 3:30 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Alright, I'm nearing the sold point on Hinrich

As for the love affair, if you’ve ever been to portland, you know we’re just weird. Frye fits right in. You guys would eat him alive. No question. New York did and they’re sissies.

Could we at least dump a point on you to open some roster space? Rodriguez is super exciting. And, we’ve got this kid in Finland that could end up being pretty good. At least we could get him over here some day.

If cap-space is important, why not take Webster (instead of Outlaw) and reject his contract next year?

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by hobobob on Aug 28, 2008 2:14 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Outlaw and Prz for Hinrich?

Um, do it. DO IT NOW!

You still have to move Nocioni. Good thing he injured his knee at the Olympics.

I guess Portland is a little more comfortable with Rudy Fernandez after watching that Gold Medal match. Throw in that Oden looks pretty good and that makes Prz expendable.

Blazers want to win NOW. Hinrich gets them there. Outlaw and Prz do not.

by NBA Observer on Aug 27, 2008 9:13 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Aug 27, 2008 9:17 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Moving Noc is a necessity to this even making some sense

and it’d have to be done as part of the deal. I don’t trust them being able to sort him out later.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Aug 27, 2008 9:25 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Why?

Why, why, why the fuck would we do that?

I mean, I really don’t see what we get out of it besides
1) An vastly inferior player still clogging our salary cap structure in 2010 (Pryzbilla)
2) A complete redunancy
3) Slightly less room to sign Gordon

by Sports2 on Aug 27, 2008 9:19 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't

know why they would do it either. But if they do; they better move some pieces to keep Gordon or it will not make sense at all to me. I thought the reason for the hardballing with Gordon is to keep Hinrich (and no I do not believe the luxury tax BS, they just don’t want to keep Gordon).

by J Theory on Aug 27, 2008 9:23 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Okay

So I agree that Portland is trying to offer a bad deal to see if the Bulls bite. Just to play around with this rumor some more what would you (or anyone else that wants to jump in) think would be a good counter offer from the Bulls?

by J Theory on Aug 27, 2008 9:25 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'd add more players from both ends

Bulls get
Przybilla
Outlaw
Blake
LaFreantz

Blazers get
Hinrich
Nocioni
Hughes

by NBA Observer on Aug 27, 2008 10:36 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

does it reduce '08 payroll to sign Gordon?

Also, why would the Blazers want to kill their 2009 cap space? Plus they’re giving up 50 games a season of the great Joel Przybilla!

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Aug 27, 2008 10:49 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sorry, Hughes will become your expiring contract just like what Raef is for us

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by Norsktroll on Aug 27, 2008 2:41 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I like Przybilla

as the backup center we need. We need rebounding from this position for 48 minutes. We’re still going to need this entering next season.

Factor in that I think Przybilla is a player you can move at any trade deadline so if you need to dump salary you’ll have options.

I also see no room to sign Gordon. He’s not going to take the money offered to him. It’s too low and BG knows the club is using the luxury tax to squeeze him. BG stands to be a better player, making money he deserves, on another team. That team is the Knicks in my opinion. I just don’t know if it gets done.

by NBA Observer on Aug 27, 2008 10:24 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Pryzbilla will be the best back up center in the league

And Pritchard knows it. I don’t think this will happen for you guys, sorry.

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by twiggs on Aug 27, 2008 1:14 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well fine.

You just lost the best backup point guard in the league.

by RogersPark Kris on Aug 27, 2008 1:19 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ha! Thanks, I'll stick with who we have.

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by twiggs on Aug 27, 2008 1:26 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

We have a starting point guard

Blake. And yes, a backup center is more valuable to us right now because we have several guards to go to on the bench.

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by twiggs on Aug 27, 2008 1:31 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

keep telling that to yourself

It’s not like it didn’t rear its ugly head around game 41 of last season.

by NBA Observer on Aug 27, 2008 1:36 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

indeed, Blake is pretty ugly.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Aug 27, 2008 1:46 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hmm?

I think she’s referring to Brandon Roy.

Having a cheap, dependable PG next to the real playmaker of Roy isn’t crazy. I’d say the Blazers need a tough backup center over the upgrade over Blake.

Hinrich would be an upgrade, but not worth losing cap space and big man depth over. The Blazers got plenty of bigs, but all are PFs except Oden and Przybilla. The Blazers don’t need to lose that depth before knowing what’s the what with Oden.

Hey, ya guys want Diogu though? He was a lottery pick!

Mortimer

by Mortimer on Aug 27, 2008 1:44 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   1 recs

+1

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by twiggs on Aug 27, 2008 2:05 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I was actually high on Diogu before Indy got him

now one can only hope he can have a career as fruitful as Mike Sweetney’s.

by messwiththebull on Aug 27, 2008 2:08 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I liked Diogu as well

low-post scorer, Bulls should’ve been on that :)

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Aug 27, 2008 2:09 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah, we really don't know what we got there

Maybe he’s the steal of that trade— Bayless (hopefully) better than Jack, Rush should be good (I think he will be) but not better than Martell or Outlaw and thus wouldn’t play, and McRoberts for Diogu could be the real difference maker.

We really don’t know what Diogu is capable of doing, because of his injuries. He’s still really young and had a GREAT college career.

He’s so undervalued now, even by Blazer fans. He could beat out Frye for the backup PF spot, but Frye is working out pretty hard… I dunno.

I have no clue what Diogu could become.

Mortimer

by Mortimer on Aug 27, 2008 2:27 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Outlaw's contract at $4 million seems pretty movable, since he can play SF and some PF

But it looked like moving him at some point in a package for a real SF upgrade (and no, please no Noc) or keeping him around as a backup was the way to go. We will se.

That the Blazers would really want to move a reliable backup center (especially defensively) in Pryz now before having seen what Oden can do over a full season where he will get in foul trouble some nights while he learns the game would be news.

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by Norsktroll on Aug 27, 2008 2:51 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That vastly inferior player changes EVERYTHING on the boards and D

just cause he can’t score, does not mean he has no game. Chicago would be a much more formidable team with Pryz than with Hinrich. Hinrich is the better player, of course

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by hobobob on Aug 27, 2008 2:52 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Usually, but you're in a unique position

Rose is going to be much better than Hinrich and the quicker he gets minutes the quicker he reaches his potential. So, would Hinrich be better as a backup than a guy who can lock up the middle on D and grab boards? Seems like you’re missing some serious interior presence. If you don’t have Rose, you’re better with Hinrich, but you won the lottery.

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by hobobob on Aug 28, 2008 2:08 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I too like this trade.

Bulls need the back court depth for those times when Noc doesn’t want to defend anyone and is in full chuck mode or when Noah is not providing any offense.

I don’t see why the Bulls are so protective of Hinrich. He’s the type of player that is most effective at facilitating and with Rose here he is completely expendable. He’s not a great 2 and the Bulls would be fine with the 3 man rotation of Gordon/Thabo/Hughes.

by RogersPark Kris on Aug 27, 2008 9:23 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If this means that Noc's contract is pawned off somewhere

I’m totally cool with it.

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by Illini15 on Aug 27, 2008 9:43 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Blazer's Edge is high comedy right now

This is from an actual, real post (seriously):

If…they were to offer us Deng or Rose, we’re all ears. Otherwise, poo-poo platter. I think Chitown is still mad about the Ty Thomas for Aldridge deal. They want to compensate for that pritch-slap by fantasizing about doing the same back to us.

Must be all those drugs out on the west coast.

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by Illini15 on Aug 27, 2008 9:54 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Unless they are willing to take Nocioni

than this deal makes no sense. Outlaw wouldn’t even get playing time in Chicago.

I wouldn’t make a trade with Portland unless they were willing to send us Fernadez or Bayless or give us immediate cap relief. Otherwise they are just wasting our time.

by DangerMouse on Aug 27, 2008 10:10 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

How much is the Darius Miles signing playing a role here?

The Celtics inking Miles makes things quite difficult for the Blazers if he plays more than 10 games this next season.

by NBA Observer on Aug 27, 2008 10:29 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

they could be fishing to reduce '09 payroll in any way

they’re still under the cap but obviously Miles puts them less under.

That of course makes the Bulls a bad trade partner since they’re also looking to shave off salary. Maybe if there was a way for the Bulls to reduce ’08 salary, yet the Blazers to reduce ’09

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Aug 27, 2008 10:34 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I would like to move Hinrich

But I don’t know how much this deal helps the Bulls. I’m expecting Hinrich to bounce back this year after such a lousy year last year. This clears out the backcourt glut but doesn’t help much salary wise and we have too many guys at the 3 adding Outlaw. Chances are Pax will sit on his hands as usual so it’s probably much adieu about nothing.

by bigballa10 on Aug 27, 2008 11:21 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

bad trade for both sides

Hinrich is the best player in that deal and it provides no immediate relief and not enough long term relief, so whats the point. I suppose Pryzbilla is more of a need but he’s not very good. Even if we could fiddle with the trade so that we got some immediate wiggle room under the luxury tax, we’d just be doing it in order to overpay Gordon, who is going to have to relent at some point to signing for less with us, with another team through a sign and trade or take the qualifying offer. No thanks on doing a lop sided trade just for that.

As for the Blazers, this eats into their 2009 salary in which they’re clearly hoping to make a big splash, which seems like a good plan to me as long as their are great players available in free agency next year (blanking on who they might be). Then they wait and see how Oden, Aldridge and Bayless develop around the already solid Roy and Fernandez (based on what I’ve seen). Hinrich is good but he’s not a max player like they might be able to get next year.

by JSlakov on Aug 27, 2008 1:36 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

We don't want

your scrubs.

Oden/Pryz
LMA/Frye
WebFoot/Trout
Roy/Rudy
Blake/Bayless
**Champs 08-09**

by BigCelPhone on Aug 27, 2008 1:46 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I never heard of a perfect NBA trade, have you??????

My fellow BlogaBulls, this is a good trade for both sides. Portland finally gets a descent play maker and scoring at the 1 while Roy can score in efficiency. This only make them more deadly in the playoffs. Far as us, the Bulls, we can get a shooting guard that we have wanted all alone. Outlaw is like Tyrus Thomas with guard/perimeter ability, and I’m dead serious. This guy was coming off his best season last year and his story is crazy too. He didn’t even know how to dribble coming out of high school, now look at him. Przybilla is a guy that’s a necessity. He has what we are lacking in the front court right now: size, defense presence, and skilled scoring.

by D.Rose23 on Aug 27, 2008 2:43 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'd prefer dead

(in commenting context only, of course)

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Aug 27, 2008 3:01 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I’m sorry but if Jerry don’t approve of this trade – he’s sipping boo boo sherbet. Hinrich for a skilled big and this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2Z4nxdjpnE

That dude is like MJ how he moves.

by D.Rose23 on Aug 27, 2008 2:50 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hellz yea

I’d do this trade for sure if it would Gordon involved. I wouldn’t do it for Kirk though.

by illini23 on Aug 27, 2008 4:34 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

disappearing comments

I tried to eliminate most of the ‘trash-talky’ Bulls-Blazers elements of this thread, they served their real-time purpose but I figure since the lack of news will make this a somewhat interesting topic for this week, might as well preserve some of the actual discussion.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Aug 27, 2008 5:23 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

uh, whoops

Guess I was wrong, thread has already been buried :)

I’ll re-open the trash-talk comments!

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Aug 29, 2008 10:15 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

rats

I’d have to do it one-at-a-time. Screw that.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Aug 29, 2008 10:16 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Since the Bulls need to receive less salary,

and will get back a pack-up Center in Priz, why not just throw in Aaron Gray, this way we cut a bit of payroll, just enough to up our offer to Gordon a little bit and hopefully resign him long term.

So : Hinrich/Gray for Priz/outlaw

The Game chose him !

by Diabolo on Aug 28, 2008 3:57 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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