BlogABull 5th Anniversary Retro-Post: "2006 pre-draft meltdown"
It's true (and a bit strange, to be honest): BlogABull (including its previous independent blogspot incarnation) is celebrating its 5th anniversary. Rather than merely the usual single self-serving post, this year I've instead decided to extend my self-congratulations through the summer. I'll be picking out some landmark posts through the years for reflection and laughs about the blog and the franchise it's covered in that time. So consider it my thanks to all the readers over the years: needless to say, it's more fun for me with all of you around to share it.
If you thought that the Rose vs. Beasley debate was intense, the lower-stakes-but-many-more-options discussion over what the Bulls should do with the #2 overall pick was fairly head-spinning. I particularly enjoyed writing this rant.
This was originally published 06/15/2006. Titled "This draft has officially driven me insane".
This site has gone bananas with the comments/diaries lately. I can't remember a draft with such chaos at the very top, everybody seems to have their own ideas for what Pax should do on draft night. But don't worry, there's nothing I like more than making mean-spirited generalizations, so I think I have everyone figured out! You're likely in one (or actually...more than one) of the following groups:
- Don't be an idiot, take Tyrus Thomas: He can, uh, jump high. Disappeared in a few games over the season, but came up big in a couple tourney games I had money on! Nobody cares if he's really 6'7" and he thinks he's a SF. The unquestioned success of the Phoenix Suns proves that you don't need a player over 6'7" on the floor, ever.
- Don't be an idiot, take LaMarcus Aldridge: We need a post scorer, he can score in the post. Can it be any more simple than that? May have some competitive issues, but that worked out fine with Eddy Curry. Plus he's a little thin. But...so....tall! Finally, saying "the man in the middle" when introducing the starting lineups will have some substance!
- Don't be an idiot, take Brandon Roy: He's the most NBA ready, which means he may never be any good. But he won't let passes bounce off his face that first season, which always makes me sad. Doesn't fill our most pressing need, but the Phoenix Suns have proved with their back-to-back NBA championships that you can field a roster with all guards.
- Don't be an idiot, take Rudy Gay: Best chance at being a superstar, even though he didn't really feel the need to do so in college. And you always take best available, unless you're the Hawks and you get mercilessly ripped on for doing so. Doesn't matter that he plays the same position as Luol Deng and Andres Nocioni. I can tell this guy is better than those two because I once saw a clip on youtube of him dunking over 3 guys from Rutgers. It was sick, really, you should check it out.
- Don't be an idiot, take Adam Morrison: How many times have we needed someone to take the big shot in a close game? Those high-pressure WAC games will prepare him well for NBA crunch-time. And the Phoenix Suns have proven in their multi-decade-spanning dynasty that you do not need to play defense.
- Don't be an idiot, take Andrea Bargnani: Do YOU want to be the guy who passes up on the next Dirk? How about the next Skita? I don't care if he likes to play in the perimeter, those European guys are known to be tough, he'll relish the painted area in the NBA. And the Phoenix Suns, who I need not remind you have forced the NBA to have the play a team of all-stars every night because of their dominance, have proven that the more foreign players you have, the better. And have you seen the 'Da Brat'-backed highlight clip?
- Don't be an idiot, trade the picks for a veteran: Shhhh....nobody knows that this draft class is weak, but I do. And we can use that secret knowledge to our advantage. Pierce for #2 and Duhon? Garnett for #2 and Sweetney? It's the #2 pick! You can't win with all kids, but luckily the Bulls will be the only team that realizes it, so trading for veterans should be easy.
- Don't be an idiot, trade the picks for a 2007 pick: Shhhh.....there's this guy coming out next season, his name is Greg Oden. Nobody knows about him, but I do. So we can get another teams 2007 pick and not tell them that the '07 draft class is way stronger than this one!
Everybody accounted for? I think deep down I'm 'Aldridge guy'. I have a feeling Pax may have predisposition to becoming 'Thomas guy'. Which Bulls fan are you?
See, now if I were that type of dolt (as opposed to another type), I could pound my chest over wanting Aldridge all along. However, it's been long since established that Tyrus Thomas was the correct pick, is indeed awesome, and certainly far better than the jump-shooting ninny suffering from Joe Smith career path syndrome. (ok, Brandon Roy, even with his old man lower extremities, could've worked out pretty well)
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"it's been long since established that Tyrus Thomas was the correct pick"
By who? I’d trade Tyrus straight up for Roy or Aldridge in a heart beat.
Don't call me doughboy!
by Khalid El-Amin on
Aug 24, 2008 12:00 PM CDT
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ugh
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Aug 24, 2008 12:02 PM CDT
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you'll eat those words
in a few months once Tyrus starts getting consistant minutes under a coach how allows hiim to grow next to a point guard who can penetrate and put him in a position to use his elite athleticism effectively on offense. Rose made Joey Dorsey look like Dwight Howard — He’ll make Tyrus look like a young Shawn Marion come February.
by abb on
Aug 24, 2008 12:15 PM CDT
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I'll eat those words?
I swear, the Tyrus love around here is fueled by blind rage sometimes. I merely think we would have done better with Roy or Aldridge, but that doesn’t mean you have to take your TT posters down.
However, I’ll gladly eat my words if it means that Tyrus suddenly transforms into a “young Shawn Marion”… Good luck with that magic trick! Especially the part where he starts hitting threes at close to 40% while averaging 21 points a game like he did from 01-03… His third and fourth year in the NBA by the way.
While you’re at it do you think you can get Aaron Gray to start plaing like Amare?
Don't call me doughboy!
by Khalid El-Amin on
Aug 24, 2008 12:32 PM CDT
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There's no doubt that Roy and Aldridge have performed at a higher level
but I still think there’s a decent chance Tyrus ends up being the best of them (what with Roy’s knee and Aldridge’s “Joe Smith syndrome”). Not a better-than-50% chance, but not much lower I don’t think.
by potato0328 on
Aug 24, 2008 12:37 PM CDT
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I agree, there is always a chance...
Especially with an injury, although it looks like Roy won’t miss any time, and who can say that TT won’t have an injury down the line too? Considering his game relies so heavily on his elite athleticism, how awful would it be to see him labor through an injury?
Lastly, and this is really all I can say about TT speculation with regards to “how good” he might someday be…
Considering how badly BG negotiations have gone, and considering how poorly the Bulls have developed TT already, who can say that he won’t leave after his rookie contract expires?
I’m just saying.
Don't call me doughboy!
by Khalid El-Amin on
Aug 24, 2008 12:51 PM CDT
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Which is why he'll get his minutes this year
They will really wanna see what they got before contract negotiations start.
That’s when you will truly be able to see who the real Tyrus is
by Option27 on
Aug 24, 2008 1:15 PM CDT
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And such is the risk with "high potential" guys...
Especially when they come out of college after only one year.
Trust me, I want TT to be great, but I do have to say that the expectations are probably greater.
Rose will probably struggle this year, so will TT by proxy I would assume, the difference is that we have two more guaranteed years with Rose than we do with TT. I guess we’ll see how it all works out soon enough.
Don't call me doughboy!
by Khalid El-Amin on
Aug 24, 2008 1:35 PM CDT
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'negotiations'
maybe the Bulls will keep Tyrus on the bench for the purpose of labeling him as a ‘bench player’ when talking extension.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Aug 24, 2008 3:53 PM CDT
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maybe I need an 'ugh' button?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Aug 24, 2008 12:44 PM CDT
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Why not...
It’s much easier than engaging in a conversation… I forgot, is this a blog?
Don't call me doughboy!
by Khalid El-Amin on
Aug 24, 2008 12:58 PM CDT
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it's meant to be fun
you being offended by my self-mocking assessment of Thomas and Aldridge ruined that fun.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Aug 24, 2008 1:00 PM CDT
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Well then I apologize...
Seriously, I didn’t realize you were being sarcastic.
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by Khalid El-Amin on
Aug 24, 2008 1:02 PM CDT
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like potato said above
there is still a chance Tyrus turns out better. And given the state of the team at the time it did make sense to take him. It was only mild-sarcasm: Tyrus love still reigns.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Aug 24, 2008 1:12 PM CDT
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I disagree
with the state of the team at the time part. I think that Aldridge would have fit right in and we may have beaten the Pistons. Then again we may have beaten the Pistons if Skiles had played Thomas more. We’ll never know.
by JSlakov on
Aug 24, 2008 1:14 PM CDT
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Given the perceived state of the team
As perceived by a group of fans and management that retrospectively appear to have been drunk, high on crack, naked, driving a car, and masturbating at the time.
by Sports2 on
Aug 24, 2008 2:23 PM CDT
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in a Wendy's drive-through?
what were they wrong about then. They still don’t need a player like Aldridge. They need what Tyrus could be (which he’s not yet).
The perception gap could’ve been in the guards, where Roy would’ve made a pretty nice trio with Hinrich/Gordon.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Aug 24, 2008 3:55 PM CDT
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Can I have a Frosty with that?
Either Aldridge (who I was not high on, I’ll readily concede!) or Roy would have been pretty obvious fits. I spose I disagree that they didn’t need a guy like Aldridge. He seemed and seems like a pretty classic PF/C who would have done fine next to Chandler (who was still on the roster). No, he’s not a superstar, but he’s certainly a well above average player who we’d be better off with.
I think the perception gap, at least from where I was though, wasn’t about position per se, but about the idea that the Bulls were so stacked they could afford to swing for the fences on a high risk guy.
We weren’t. Either up front or in the backcourt. It was also pretty much folly to suggest we try and trade anyone in our back court for Roy.
In short, I think perceptions were pretty much wrong all around.
by Sports2 on
Aug 24, 2008 6:47 PM CDT
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When Marion was 22...
the age Tyrus is now, his 2nd year in the league, the first year he got starters minutes, he posted:
36.2 minutes
17.3 points, 10.7 boards, 2.0 assists
1.7 steals, 1.4 blocks
On 48% from the field, 25% from 3pt.
If Tyrus gets equivalent minutes (and Rose is healthy), I see him putting up those numbers by mid-season (more blocks, fewer steals).
LaMarcus, on the other hand, will see his scoring average drop a touch, and his rebounds drop substantially — not saying he wouldn’t be fine on a team that doesn’t have Greg Oden, but he’s not the elemental force that Tyrus is, he can’t defend the same way, and he can’t run the floor the same way. Roy is, of course, another matter…
by abb on
Aug 24, 2008 4:43 PM CDT
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I love it...
Elemental Force
Earth, wind, fire, and Tyrus
by Jamaicanpi on
Aug 24, 2008 6:47 PM CDT
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And what will you eat if none of that happens?
Don't call me doughboy!
by Khalid El-Amin on
Aug 24, 2008 7:25 PM CDT
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we'll call up the big prediction board and rub his face in whatever it was!
sheesh.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Aug 24, 2008 9:25 PM CDT
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awesome
I hope someone remembers to bring up these posts six months from now.
Khalid, didn’t you play with Ben Gordon in college? Or did you leave before his time, I seem to remember going to a game in ’99…Any chance you could call him up and see how the negotiations are going?
by abb on
Aug 25, 2008 10:10 AM CDT
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You have to understand...
what love he might be getting now is equivalent to what hate he’ll be getting if he turns out to be a bust.
by Wake on
Aug 24, 2008 1:40 PM CDT
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Nobody hates busts
He’s gotten love for so far being a bust. A million voices crying excuses and welcoming home the prodigal son. He’ll get hate if he somehow turns it up, 18 or 20 points a game and expects to be paid more than the MLE in a couple years.
by Sports2 on
Aug 24, 2008 2:27 PM CDT
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it'd be a bust
if he didn’t play well in limited minutes.
Then again, there is Thabo…
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Aug 24, 2008 3:56 PM CDT
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You're correct Sports2
The hate will never come, when he’s given minutes this year.
I suspect he’ll be a monster on defense, force many steals, average 4 blks, run the floor, average 15+ ppg… And the Bulls will have a problem resigning him later because of the salary cap.
or
I suspect his occassional monster dunks will not be enough to compensate for his lack of basketball IQ on the court, out of position mistakes, fouling, missing the rim on contested jumpshots from 18 feet out. His actions will then cause VDN to limit his minutes, evenually Paxs will trade him at basically no value (expiring contract) and he will be forgotton. Out of sight Out of mind.. Just like Ben Wallace.
In either situation, Tyrus Thomas will never be hated on BaB.
by exult463 on
Aug 24, 2008 5:54 PM CDT
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excellent parsing
Of the different camps regarding the ’06 draft — could you do the same for the camps regarding the way the franchise should approach Ben Gordon? A similar breakdown would do a lot to hone the discussion…
by abb on
Aug 24, 2008 12:10 PM CDT
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That anniversary post
had approximately 10 references to Paxson Trust
Palm Sunday summer 2006 … Crucifixion Sunday coming at a theatre near you summer of 2009.
by exult463 on
Aug 24, 2008 6:04 PM CDT
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well at least it wasn't as annoying
as Pritchslaps.
Then again, Pritch gets to work without tax constraints.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Aug 24, 2008 9:26 PM CDT
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Maybe, but I suspect he wants to stay under the lux cap anyway
just to prove he can build a champion with that constraint.
And I do agree, the Pritch-slap term is annoying. I’ve commented on Blazers Edge that it was funny the first five or ten times I saw it there, but now I and a bunch of other BEdger’s are tired of it and think it makes Blazer fans sound arrogant. You know, like Laker fans.
I know very little about TT other than what I’ve read on BE about the TT/LA comparisons we do and you do. We’re high on Aldridge (and beer) and I’m glad that some of you Bulls fans are beginning to appreciate him, too. Regarding Thomas, I’m wondering if his situation is somewhat like the one we have had with Travis Outlaw. Tons of raw athleticism, emphasis on the raw, and a low basketball IQ. Outlaw (finally) had a breakout year last season, winning some close games for us in the final seconds with his hops, ability to get his shot off, and a surprising fearlessness about taking a Big Shot at the end of tight games.
What happened to get Outlaw to that point? First, the team has been patient with him. It’s not easy for a lot of teams to do that. Chicago was expected to contend for the Eastern Conference crown at the start of last season, and the pressure was on Thomas to perform now. A lot of young players are going to wilt in that situation, maybe he did a little? Outlaw joined the Blazers when they were on the downhill portion of the Jail Blazer era and never faced huge expectations his first few season. He gets a lot of sympathy from Blazer fans because he’s such a sweet, quiet kid and he was on a team of older, crusty troublemakers. Small wonder he didn’t grow much. That changed when Kevin Pritchard took the reins and brought-in young, good-character guys like Roy and Aldridge. I think it did wonders for Outlaw’s confidence and comfort level.
Second, the Blazers found a way to communicate better with Outlaw. It turned out that a different method of teaching worked much better for him than the typical way they worked with players. He suddenly began absorbing information a lot better and it’s been reflected in his play. He still has a lot of holes in his game and he has a lot to learn, but now we’re seeing steady improvement. It’s a great success story. Maybe there’s a lesson there for the Bulls with Thomas.
Finally, Blazer fans have had to learn and are still trying to learn not to worry about personnel decisions in the past. Those of you who feel bad about not taking Aldridge or Roy should note that we could have had Chris Paul instead of Martell Webster. (FYI, Kevin Pritchard, who was on-staff but under then GM John Nash, lobbied hard for Paul but was overruled. He is a smart guy…) The thought of a Paul-Roy backcourt in Portland makes Blazer fans weak in the knees.
Yet if we had drafted Paul, we probably would have been a better team the following season and consequently had a lower draft pick, which means we would not have lucked into the Greg Oden sweepstakes (yes, I know he hasn’t done anything yet, but trust me, your eyes will soon be wide open in astonishment). It’s the same situation with your team. A better season last year would probably have meant no Derrick Rose, so it’s all good, regardless what happens this season with Thomas. Keep the faith, and maybe in two or three years the Bulls and Blazers will meet in the NBA finals.
Asked his specialty in the kitchen, Oden paused and said, "Hamburger Helper and tuna fish."
by MiledAnimal on
Aug 24, 2008 10:42 PM CDT
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i'm torn
i think i’m an ‘aldridge’ guy, because the year the Bulls first got back in the playoffs, with 47 wins i believe, and Eddy Curry playing well, that might’ve been the best of the four years they’ve made the playoffs. a low post scorer would’ve been great. easy buckets. the Bulls exert so much energy just to get an open look. but ‘trade for vet’ guy looks real appealing. man, KG woulda been so great. even Pierce.
real funny post, btw. made me laugh. ‘Phoenix Suns multi-decade-spanning-dynasty.’ LOL!!
by BULLieving in Miami on
Aug 25, 2008 2:37 AM CDT
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Curry was already gone.
In fact, that’s how they got the #2 pick in the first place.
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Aug 25, 2008 10:09 AM CDT
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I'm an idiot
I thought you were referring to Aldridge and Curry playing together.
Though I was confused because you’re calling Aldridge a low-post scorer.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Aug 25, 2008 10:10 AM CDT
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well...
i mean, he was billed as a low-post scorer coming out of college. i just get frustrated at Tyrus chucking up 18-footers when he should clearly be attacking the rim. unless he develops that shot.
by BULLieving in Miami on
Aug 25, 2008 8:16 PM CDT
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I was definitely...
In the Roy camp. Definitely, in fact, I couldn’t understand what anybody was thinking when they talked about Tyrus or Bargani, or even Lamarcus. I understood the trade for a veteran logic, but I didn’t think any of them were really available to us.
Brandon Roy was said to be a prototypical shooting guard who does everything well, on both sides of the court. He had a NBA ready game and body, and unless an injury ruined his career, he was the safest choice.
I pictured him starting at the two, with Gordon coming off the bench, or as part of at trade package.
If I remember correctly, the story at the time was that Paxon thought that Thabo was so good, and saw him as attainable, so we didn’t need anybody else at the 2, And thereby we would focus on the two PF’s with our 1st pick.
by kidronmusic on
Aug 25, 2008 1:00 PM CDT
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I was on La Marcus side but I am glad that the Bulls took TT
It was a risk. Something like a forbidden word for Pax & crew. We do have a lot of good players and La Marcus would have been another one. By choosing TT they took a gamble at greatness. Maybe it will pay off maybe not but sometimes you have to try the higher bet to get a fat pay
by JustAnotherFan on
Aug 26, 2008 7:40 PM CDT
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Nice to look back and have a laugh
I was kind of undecided between Aldridge and Thomas at first because I knew we needed someone who could score in the post. I saw Aldridge as a skilled big man who had some post skills and could face up. I remember being sold on Tyrus after really looking at his rebounding and shot blocking numbers per 40 minutes. They were really eye popping and I felt like (and still do) he could be a game changer. My biggest knock on Aldridge was that he seemed (and still does, although not as much as I thought) soft and didn’t seem to have the toughness to play against NBA power forwards. I think the Bulls have just done a poor job of working with Tyrus up til now, but he still is very productive, when he actually gets minutes.
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Aug 27, 2008 12:39 PM CDT
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