Quick word on Bulls 'downgrades' going into the season
If I say it's too early to worry about season previews...is it also too early to proactively dismiss some points from those season previews?
Here's how I spin some conventional wisdom:
The Bulls have a rookie coach: The Bulls now have a coach who the players don't hate. They also have someone who isn't an imbecile, like that one President Logan-looking guy who coached the last half of the season. They have a top-notch veteran assistant coaching staff, so even if Vinny forgets when the TV time-outs are he'll have help.
The Bulls have a 19 year old point guard: First, he's ridiculously talented. Second, he's replacing a big pile of suck that accounted for the minutes at PG last season.
See? Two upgrades.
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how will a rookie coach deal with Tyrus Thomas' attitude?
by hscs on
Aug 14, 2008 8:33 PM CDT
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Sounds like Adrian Griffen might soon be available
Since Gordon’s too short to even deserve the QO, the Bulls should bring him back to keep TT and the rest of the youngsters in line. Heck, I think Adrian’s 6’5", he’s big enough to be the SG next year.
We have every right to dream heroic dreams. Those who say that we're in a time when there are no heroes, they just don't know where to look.
Ronald Reagan
by snley on
Aug 14, 2008 8:40 PM CDT
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I don't want A-Drain anywhere near this roster
but you have to remember he did start for the Mavs in the many regular season games and in the playoffs over Terry, no?
by messwiththebull on
Aug 15, 2008 9:02 AM CDT
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I was being sarcastic in saying I wanted Griffin
but the fact that he was starting in the Finals and “guarding” Wade will always prevent me in feeling any longing for Avery Johnson as a coach.
We have every right to dream heroic dreams. Those who say that we're in a time when there are no heroes, they just don't know where to look.
Ronald Reagan
by snley on
Aug 15, 2008 9:04 AM CDT
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Agreed.
Another eerie similarity Avery had with Skiles.
by messwiththebull on
Aug 15, 2008 9:04 AM CDT
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BG is not greedy.
BG is taking care of himself. The Bulls FO has tons of money which they’d rather not spend, if they can find a way not to. So, business is business. Ben Gordon shouldn’t bunge.
I hate it when fans think that players should play for pence, just for a winning chance. These guys have short careers and get taxed to shit. the Bulls FO is bleeding money.
We, as fans, should support BG. The bulls need to make a better offer and clean up the SG position swamp.
by chicago-homesick-blues on
Aug 15, 2008 11:49 PM CDT
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He's being ironic
Facetious, sarcastic, whatever ya wanna call it. HSCS is just joshin’, fun-like.
Mortimer
by Mortimer on
Aug 16, 2008 12:50 AM CDT
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I bet Rose dribbles too much too.
Don’t forget Thabo is Swiss, and mysterious, and… and Larry Hughes used to lead the league in steals.
by hscs on
Aug 14, 2008 8:35 PM CDT
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Don't be a wise ass troll
Everyone knows Thabo isn’t mysterious. He’s just the reincarnation of Scottie Pippen circa 1994, only the short, selfish, megalomaniac Ben Gordon stands in his way.
"I’m gonna rise up, gonna kick a little ass. Gonna kick some ass in the USA. Gonna climb a mountain, gonna sew a flag, gonna fly on an eagle. I’m gonna kick some butt, gonna drive a big truck. I’m gonna rule this world. I’m gonna kick some ass. I’m gonna rise up, gonna kick a little ass. Rock, flag, and eagle!"
by Ozzie Montana on
Aug 14, 2008 10:05 PM CDT
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I thought Burns' reasoning was specious
but pretty much every team can look at itself and think it improved this time of year. When the rubber hits the road, a lot of folks are going to be wrong. So, um, I guess I don’t have a lot of optimism despite thinking we’re probably somewhere north of the 13th seed. Looking at the playoffs and barring a major injury, I see:
Locks
Boston
Orlando
Cleveland
Detroit
Philly
Probables
Toronto
Washington
Fighting for one spot
Indiana
Chicago
Atlanta
Milwaukee
Charlotte
No way
New Jersey
New York
Meh… I like us compared to the team’s we’re fighting with, but I don’t feel great about that either.
by Sports2 on
Aug 14, 2008 9:23 PM CDT
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Toronto isn't that great
Jermaine O’Neal killed the Pacers franchise, and he’ll probably do the same to the Raptors. He’s a 6’11" version of Larry Hughes. As for Washington, every year they look decent on paper, and every year they get hurt and fall off. It’s too early to put them ahead of the Bulls.
You forgot the Heat though. They could be very good.
by YaoPau on
Aug 14, 2008 9:38 PM CDT
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Ooops
I predict the Miami Heat are sucked into the Bermuda Triangle.
Yeah, I’d put them in the “Fighting for one spot” category until I see them show up with a legit PG.
by Sports2 on
Aug 14, 2008 9:54 PM CDT
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Riley won't rest until he gets Hinrich?
by exult463 on
Aug 14, 2008 10:11 PM CDT
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that's why,,,
He’s going to trade Marion for Kirk and Nocioni…
I hope.
by kidronmusic on
Aug 15, 2008 2:19 AM CDT
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Will that help us?
Love the package deal of a departing Hinrich and Nocioni, but where would we play Marion?
I prefer the option of trying to package Hinrich and Nocioni to send them to the Lakers for Odom and friends.
by NBA Observer on
Aug 15, 2008 8:28 AM CDT
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Hell, who cares, the expiring deal is enough reason
by messwiththebull on
Aug 15, 2008 9:06 AM CDT
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that's a good enough reason
I don’t expect us to compete for the playoffs in the upcoming season anyway.
I peg us to something like the Miami Heat in Wade’s rookie season. If we make it, great. If we don’t, no big deal.
by NBA Observer on
Aug 15, 2008 9:41 AM CDT
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Where would you play Odom?
Marion at PF, like with the Suns, would be great on the Bulls. He’s still really good.
Might limit Tyrus minutes of course, but I’d rather have Marion limit Tyrus’ minutes (and have Tyrus see what he should be) than Nocioni.
Odom brings the same tweener “where do ya play him?” problems. Odom is good sometimes, but Marion is still good most of the time.
The Lakers owner is pretty penny-pinchy, even if he doesn’t always seem like it, and now that Bynum, Gasol, and Kobe cost so much I doubt he’ll wanna take on Nocioni/Hinrich level contracts. He owns one of the most popular teams but as far as NBA owners go he isn’t very wealthy and relies on the big stars coming to him and getting whatever role players you can get, not overpaying for the role players.
So, I don’t think the Lakers are a viable dumping ground for big, long contracts if they aren’t a star player.
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by Mortimer on
Aug 15, 2008 1:02 PM CDT
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Where to play Odom?
Um…er…yeah, about that.
I really don’t know. lol
Forget I mentioned Odom. It was more or less a name that came up as negotiations with Deng appeared to be going nowhere and the club was still in need of contract dumps from Hinrich and Nocioni.
The discussion revolved around playing Tyrus Thomas at the 3, Odom at the 4(where’s Deng play? which is why this is moot now) on the offensive end and the two would switch on defense. Tyrus guards the 4. Odom guards the 3. Odom would play point forward so having Tyrus play the 3 wouldn’t give away ball handling in the front court.
by NBA Observer on
Aug 15, 2008 1:07 PM CDT
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the East will be better
I don’t mean better in terms of playoff seed, and to a lesser extend win totals, I’m talking more in terms of the team just being better. They won 33 games last year and were awful on both ends.
And while the Simmons school of championship building sees no difference in being .500 and fighting for an 8th seed and being a sure-fire lottery team, I do.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Aug 14, 2008 10:09 PM CDT
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Boy, I dunno
Defensively I think our problems were mainly up front and I don’t see how we improve unless Noah or Thomas really make a quantum leap and also gain a good bit of muscle. Having two very young and fairly slight guys defending your paint is almost guaranteed to make you a bad defensive team. I don’t dislike Gooden or anything, but unless one of the kids makes real strides we’ll be bad.
Offensively, to me, we’re only better if we retain Gordon and that’s looking pretty iffy although I think I’ve got more hope than most on that front. Will all of these guys, by the way, who are saying Gordon isn’t worth what he’s been offered be mad if we’d actually signed him?
by Sports2 on
Aug 14, 2008 10:22 PM CDT
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They'd love it
Because every time he missed a shot, they could say “Gee if only we had a guard who wasn’t the shortest 6’2 you’d seen….”
"I’m gonna rise up, gonna kick a little ass. Gonna kick some ass in the USA. Gonna climb a mountain, gonna sew a flag, gonna fly on an eagle. I’m gonna kick some butt, gonna drive a big truck. I’m gonna rule this world. I’m gonna kick some ass. I’m gonna rise up, gonna kick a little ass. Rock, flag, and eagle!"
by Ozzie Montana on
Aug 14, 2008 10:23 PM CDT
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I'm against giving him a deal the size of Deng's
But if they do, I’ll remain an optimist.
I think Gordon is a very good player who fits well with our point guard of the future. Even if we over pay, I won’t be too upset.
I think the real reason the debate is so heated here is because everybody has had a couple long months to debate. So most of us are rooted in our opinions and we’ve pretty much all gotten on each others nerves by now.
by kidronmusic on
Aug 15, 2008 2:23 AM CDT
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Word on that last point.
"Wait, just let me listen." - Scottie Pippen
by OldSkoolSloan on
Aug 15, 2008 5:29 AM CDT
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I just enjoy discussing the Bulls in the summer
Since the draft, you would not think we had a basetball team in Chicago.
"I’m gonna rise up, gonna kick a little ass. Gonna kick some ass in the USA. Gonna climb a mountain, gonna sew a flag, gonna fly on an eagle. I’m gonna kick some butt, gonna drive a big truck. I’m gonna rule this world. I’m gonna kick some ass. I’m gonna rise up, gonna kick a little ass. Rock, flag, and eagle!"
by Ozzie Montana on
Aug 15, 2008 4:02 PM CDT
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hmm...
I’m not sure if that meant basketball team or baseball team.
But, I too enjoy it…
Although I’m going to spend a little more time focused on the Bears soon.
by kidronmusic on
Aug 15, 2008 4:37 PM CDT
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not having Gordon's a different story
I’d rather not get into…again.
I think their problems defensively can be mostly fixed by renewed effort.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Aug 14, 2008 11:52 PM CDT
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I think we were 11th in Defensive Efficiency last year
So I definitely agree that any “problems” therein will be solved by a greater and more consistent defensive effort. Defense is NOT the problem with this team at the moment.
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by Jivas on
Aug 15, 2008 4:35 PM CDT
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How did the team stack up defensively
before the Wallace trade and after the Wallace trade?
I’m sure someone produced a fan post with these numbers. Don’t allow me to suggest we WERE a good defensive club before the Wallace trade in the 07-08 season, but I still want to know if we declined or improved after the trade.
by NBA Observer on
Aug 15, 2008 9:43 AM CDT
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Good question
I don’t remember much analysis on that, but my non-numbers based analysis from watching was that we sucked before the trade and sucked afterward for somewhat different reasons.
Pre All-star break they scored 94.7 and gave up 100.4 (-5.7)
Post All-star break they scored 101.8 and gave up 100.4 (+1.4)
If someone wanted to break that down into points per possession my guess would be that the post break (and largely post Wallace) numbers would be slightly more “impressive” still, but overall not that great.
by Sports2 on
Aug 15, 2008 12:14 PM CDT
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One problem
The opponents points do not change if you view them for each month, which is how I assume you got your numbers. The offensive numbers do change to reflect the 16 or so games each month. The opponents points always say “82 games”.
I’ll do a quick C&P job of the schedule results to see the differences before and after Wallace and before and after Skiles.
by NBA Observer on
Aug 15, 2008 12:44 PM CDT
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Numbers
With Skiles
Bulls 91.96
Opp 96.72
Without Skiles
Bulls 99.68
Opp 102.04
With Wallace
Bulls 94.87
Opp 97.75
Without Wallace
Bulls 101.83
Opp 105.28
by NBA Observer on
Aug 15, 2008 12:57 PM CDT
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Yes...
“Will all of these guys, by the way, who are saying Gordon isn’t worth what he’s been offered be mad if we’d actually signed him?”
Yes! BG’s all-around game is NOT going to lead us to a championship!!
Therefore, because I do not believe that Kirk or BG will be part of a Bulls championship run (both would make too much money for coming off the bench anyways), I see a long term contract for BG as detrimental as we have now with Nocioni.
by StephenAA on
Aug 15, 2008 10:41 AM CDT
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Gooden is more....
Than just a stopgap for minutes and a expiring contract..he is the answer to our low post scoring,and at least a year of certainty down low for the Bulls….Gordon might be the answer to your scoring needs,But Gooden is definitely an asset and not a liability…….Lotto team or not,we have one starting spot figured out….Hinrich might be the 1 or 2,Rose might start at the 1,Hughes might start at the 2,Deng will definitely start at the 3,Hoah might start at the 5,and Gooden will definitely start at the 4 as long as he is in a Bull uniform….we definitely have problems,but as long as Deng has a healty back,we know our starting 3,but we definitely have our starting 4!
by dakidfromchitown on
Aug 20, 2008 2:58 PM CDT
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We need to get a center
then we’er at the bottom of the top 5
by hlac on
Aug 14, 2008 10:53 PM CDT
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This is pretty much how I feel
We’re not going to be great, but our competition will be less than stellar. At the very least, we’re about a thousand times more interesting wot watch this season.
by Frank the Tank on
Aug 15, 2008 10:16 AM CDT
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A Team Comparison...
I think the Bulls may do a little better than what you are predicting.
However, the brand new coach is the huge question mark.
Let’s compare by position the team of 2 year ago that won 49 games and this upcoming team.
06-07 Bulls:
PG: Kirk
SG: Gordon
SF: Deng
PF: Brown
C: Wallace
08-09 Bulls:
PG: Kirk – Same or Better!
SG: Gordon / Hughes / Thabo – Same or Better!
SF: Deng – Same or Better!
PF: Gooden / TT – Same or Better!
C: Noah – Worse or Same!
I see the Bulls realistically winning at least 42 games this season.
But again, the new coach is the question mark!
by StephenAA on
Aug 15, 2008 11:05 AM CDT
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Predicting
That Kirk, BG, and Luol will all be the same or better than their ‘06-’07 seasons is dubious at best, especially with Hughes and Thabo added to the BG formula. I’d be ecstatic if Kirk came anywhere near that level of production again (I’d also be shocked), and that season also represented high water marks for BG and Luol, who nevertheless have better chances to duplicate (or in Luol’s case, to exceed) their performance that year.
And while P.J. wasn’t much to watch, his defensive plus/minus numbers were unbelievable…we only gave up something like 89 points per 100 possessions with him on the floor (too busy/lazy to look this up to verify exact #s). I’d be surprised if Gooden or (more likely) TT could provide the same level of overall impact that P.J. provided that year.
The fact is, it’s hard to venture what our current level of ability is, as last year doesn’t make for a great point of reference either.
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by Jivas on
Aug 15, 2008 4:40 PM CDT
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Dude
Hinrich and Duhon weren’t that bad, both played like good backup PGs. Yet, they both had real NBA experience over 82 game seasons.
Ease your expectations on this 19 year Derrick Rose, this is a great leap for a kid just 18 months ago was playing in a high school basketball tournament . Rose will show flashes(minutes during a few games) of a superstar, but not with consistency..
With the current roster, and coaching staff, we’ll suck for a while!
by exult463 on
Aug 14, 2008 9:24 PM CDT
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Agree and disagree
I agree that we can’t put too much faith in D Rose (nickname, ideas, anyone? How bout “Flower Power” or “The Thorn” as in, “you want the rose, but you get the thorn, sucka!”) at the start of this season. He’ll need time to adjust and I don’t see him playing more than 20 mins/night.
At the same time, I don’t think “we’ll suck for a while!” I’m a man of science, and simply looking at the numbers (assuming past performance predicts future results), I think the Bulls will vastly improve if they return to their non-suckiness. Deng, Hinrich and Gordon would all improve their scoring numbers if they simply return to the mean. Noah should be better this season. Gooden can actually play. Thomas is an X factor, but he played well in limited minutes last season and, if nothing else, we should get that.
I know the Bulls may not make the playoffs, but we won’t suck, even if The Thorn isn’t sticking it (get it?) to people every night.
"Wait, just let me listen." - Scottie Pippen
by OldSkoolSloan on
Aug 14, 2008 9:36 PM CDT
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Ha.
Wow, those nicknames are terrible…
Flower Power is the least intimidating nickname since people started calling Thabo the Swiss Mister.
by kidronmusic on
Aug 15, 2008 2:26 AM CDT
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'never nervous' pervis
very not intimidating nickname
by BULLieving in Miami on
Aug 15, 2008 3:44 AM CDT
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Yeah, they sucked
I was joking with those two. But I’m not joking when I say that today’s nicknames are some of the sorriest I’ve ever heard. The lack of creative nicknames does more to imperil sports than doping and gambling combined. This must be remedied! Think of the children!
Long live Ty Rise, Flash Gordon, The Pampas Bull (Noce), The Iron Man from Sudan (OK, pulled that out of my ass), the Duck Tail, The Thrilla in Vanilla (Hinrich) and now Poison (for D. Rose…get it…the song…“Every rose has its thorn…”).
Winners, each and every one!
"Wait, just let me listen." - Scottie Pippen
by OldSkoolSloan on
Aug 15, 2008 5:40 AM CDT
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I've been pushing "One Dot" for Rose
As in “1 dot 7 percent chance the Bulls had of getting the number one pick.” Matches his uni number too. Hasn’t taken off but I will continue to use it. Join me! We’re all going streaking!
by paxson43 on
Aug 15, 2008 11:03 AM CDT
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Well...
So is “Pooh” or “The Great Pooh-dini” :)
How about DR1 lol
B.J. for three.... KABOOM!
by chibullsfan03 on
Aug 15, 2008 10:29 AM CDT
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True
Saying they will suck every other day does give you lots of “I told you so moments” every time there’s a failure.
"I’m gonna rise up, gonna kick a little ass. Gonna kick some ass in the USA. Gonna climb a mountain, gonna sew a flag, gonna fly on an eagle. I’m gonna kick some butt, gonna drive a big truck. I’m gonna rule this world. I’m gonna kick some ass. I’m gonna rise up, gonna kick a little ass. Rock, flag, and eagle!"
by Ozzie Montana on
Aug 14, 2008 10:03 PM CDT
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it's the exult way
I may have to retire his jersey when Pax finally leaves.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Aug 14, 2008 10:07 PM CDT
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what was the longest winning streak this past season?
did we ever have a 4+ game winning streak? How about this for an obtainable goal: Beat last years longest winning streak.
by exult463 on
Aug 14, 2008 10:07 PM CDT
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never even got to 3
but I assume you knew that.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Aug 14, 2008 10:09 PM CDT
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come on...
I’m not so negative? I forget details and not so much a stats man. Yet I like the stats you guys present. I don’t like excuses. Over a 5 game series a team can fall into a slump and lose to a lessor team, but over a 82 game season…you are who your record says you are!
We’ll need Deng, Gooden and Gordon bringing their A-games daily. Anything from Rose will be gravy. Kirk’s disposition (shoulders) and play during the first 5 games of the season will dictate his performance for the rest of the year. It will be good if he raises up for the level of competition and bring his A-game with outstanding conditioning gained during the off-season.
by exult463 on
Aug 14, 2008 10:35 PM CDT
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i think 2 in a row 3 times
i dunno. i already threw away my fridge schedule. it became sad to look at.
by BULLieving in Miami on
Aug 15, 2008 3:47 AM CDT
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Rose an immediate upgrade?
Do you folks think that Rose will be an instant upgrade at the point?
by Dave W on
Aug 14, 2008 9:39 PM CDT
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Not instant as in Day 1
Let’s take Durant as some kind of random example. He was pretty horrid for the 1st half, finding his way in the league and asserting himself as a leading scorer. After the ASG, he was on fire, and captured the ROY award. I see Rose having a similar initial struggle with trying to be a leader, distributor, and scorer. However, he is committed, and the Bulls are obviously putting a lot of weight into his abilities. I suspect he’ll play like an All-Star once January/February rolls around, and challenge Oden for the ROY.
Gasp Optimism on BaB!!!!!
"I’m gonna rise up, gonna kick a little ass. Gonna kick some ass in the USA. Gonna climb a mountain, gonna sew a flag, gonna fly on an eagle. I’m gonna kick some butt, gonna drive a big truck. I’m gonna rule this world. I’m gonna kick some ass. I’m gonna rise up, gonna kick a little ass. Rock, flag, and eagle!"
by Ozzie Montana on
Aug 14, 2008 10:02 PM CDT
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other candidates for ROY:
high scoring:Beasley
Blazers: Bayless (with Brandon Roy out)
by exult463 on
Aug 14, 2008 10:14 PM CDT
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Brandon Roy isn't missing any regular season time due to his surgery.....
And, I fail to see how the SG trapped in PG’s body Bayless will be that good. I mean, don’t we hate that guy on our team? He’s terrible, right?
Beasley…I thought so early on, but after watching Wade in the Olympics, I’m pretty sure him LeBron are going to have monster years on otherwise mediocre teams.
"I’m gonna rise up, gonna kick a little ass. Gonna kick some ass in the USA. Gonna climb a mountain, gonna sew a flag, gonna fly on an eagle. I’m gonna kick some butt, gonna drive a big truck. I’m gonna rule this world. I’m gonna kick some ass. I’m gonna rise up, gonna kick a little ass. Rock, flag, and eagle!"
by Ozzie Montana on
Aug 14, 2008 10:20 PM CDT
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Westbrook
When the OKC Carpetbaggers traded Ridnour, they handed the keys to Westbrook. He’s got a couple scorers to pass to, so he could be in the running.
by ziffle on
Aug 14, 2008 11:17 PM CDT
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They seem like a team that could use Gordon
They also have fuck all that I’d like to have back from them (aside, obviously, from Durant, who they won’t give up for anything).
by Sports2 on
Aug 14, 2008 11:25 PM CDT
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Optimism's good
Holy shit, how can everyone be discounting the team so badly? They’re better at center (no BW), better at PF (Gooden sets a good minimum bar for TT to get pt), I suspect Deng will be better w/o the contract tension, and also think there’s a good chance for the backcourt to improve w or w/o BG. Add the quantum leap in coaching staffs, and there is every reason to look forward to a fantastic second half.
by California Al on
Aug 15, 2008 2:27 AM CDT
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you really discount the value of Joe Smith
first half of the season .. everyone on BaB even thought we would still make the playoffs,
after the trade we stunk worst or equally as much!
Out of slight out of mind …
by exult463 on
Aug 15, 2008 11:20 AM CDT
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Um, check Gooden's stats after the trade
He replaced Smith’s production, the problem was B0$#%^ sucking the life force from the team, and them not trying at all on defense (and offense as well).
"I’m gonna rise up, gonna kick a little ass. Gonna kick some ass in the USA. Gonna climb a mountain, gonna sew a flag, gonna fly on an eagle. I’m gonna kick some butt, gonna drive a big truck. I’m gonna rule this world. I’m gonna kick some ass. I’m gonna rise up, gonna kick a little ass. Rock, flag, and eagle!"
by Ozzie Montana on
Aug 15, 2008 6:25 PM CDT
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Smith was good
and carried a lot of the offensive load since Wallace was no offensive threat at all. The fact we didn’t do much better after the trade can be partially attributed to how the coach used the players we had left. Gooden, Tyrus, and Noah can all decently defend but more importantly score. Even Noah can at least put rebounds back in and has young legs and motivation. I think that used right those three will be an improvement over the beginning of last year. I really liked Smith’s game and will miss his ten footer, but I still think having all five guys offensively capable (instead of the Wallace and Duhon show we got a lot which was pretty much 3 on 5) we will not have the extremes of last year. Extremely bad in this case.
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by cranscape on
Aug 15, 2008 7:11 PM CDT
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Smith was good.
But I thought his game was redundant to Deng’s, and Gooden’s was more complimentary. It was a very morose atmosphere w Wallace and numbnuts being the co-conspirators. I saw a lot to like in the young players, but it was every man for himself as the year played out. Noah has very good if not textbook skills in the post. If he, TT and Rose get synced, there’s a lot of material for the staff to work with. It’s possible to build something enjoyable and maybe very good out of that trio. And with Deng, Noc, Kirk, Gooden, Thabo, BG and Hughes to choose from, they may be able to put a real contender together.
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Dude, any change is better than watchin Hinrich run the point for another season.
if were not going to be contending anytime soon then why hold back D. Rose behind HINRICH? Fuck that i’ll kill myself if i have to watch Kirk stink it up again.
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Aug 15, 2008 2:40 AM CDT
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If Rose is playing at an All-Star level when January/February rolls around
I’ll eat my hat or some such thing (figuratively speaking, of course).
I’ll also be beyond ecstatic.
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Aug 15, 2008 4:41 PM CDT
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Hinrich and Duhon were especially bad last season
for the position, it was 14.7 PER.
And actually, I think that’s high, considering somehow they have Hinrich with a 15.1 PER at the point even though overall he was 13.1
Basically, both Hinrich and Duhon (11.1) were below average. It’s a pretty low bar for Rose.
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Aug 14, 2008 10:06 PM CDT
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and dare I say
you’re free to assume Kirk will have a better season too.
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That's what I'm saying
A return to the statistical norm from Kirk, Deng and Gordon means a better offense, less need for other guys (Noce!) to pick up the slack, less chuck-tastic three pointers, less long rebounds that lead to fast breaks for the other team and on and on.
I think we’ll be in a good position to make moves at the all-star break when everyone’s stock has risen a little bit.
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Aug 15, 2008 12:46 AM CDT
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Is there a quick way to determine "league average" by position?
Just glancing at the final four teams in the NBA last season I see PER numbers much better than 14.7, naturally of course. They all had better point guards.
by NBA Observer on
Aug 15, 2008 9:47 AM CDT
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quick for you meaning someone else does it for you?
I’m guessing if 82games doesn’t have it, then you’re just sifting through each team.
I’m still curious how they have Hinrich’s per-position PER at both guard spots winding up higher than his actual overall PER.
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wrong
Just asking if someone has ALREADY done this. No sense in spending a bunch of time reinventing a wheel that already exists.
by NBA Observer on
Aug 15, 2008 11:19 AM CDT
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or using google? :)
as far as I personally know, it’s not out there. By Hollinger’s definition, 15 is an average.
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Yes.
If he’s not then we’re all screwed. I think his playmaking ability will be evident earlier on than our conservative estimates but I prefer expectation management. I also think Rose’s scoring will be there day one. The kid is ridiculously explosive.
by messwiththebull on
Aug 15, 2008 9:10 AM CDT
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I think that Rose and Hinrich
will be an immediate upgrade over
last years Hinrich and Duhon.
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Kirk,BG,Deng........
Let them have great years….but…BG,might be on a QO…wrong answer….Hinrich might be better,but,what does that mean for PointGod Rose? Hughes still is on our team, and Gooden is the only thing we know for sure…with 30 minutes,he will produce 11-9…everything else is up in the air…Damn…this is my favorite team in the Universe,but i don’t have any answers for what we are to expect,especially if we are starting Noah at Center and TT is getting plenty minutes which I have no problem with?
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Aug 14, 2008 10:43 PM CDT
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We are probably the only team in the league...
With only one starting position set…Deng…every other position there will be a significant debate…
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Aug 15, 2008 12:49 AM CDT
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I still think
even at that we are in a better position than we would be with, say, Duhon locked in. While we don’t have people locked in, I feel better about the possibilities.
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Aug 15, 2008 7:34 AM CDT
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Hate to say it....
But if we got Duhon,we are not wanting Kirk to tutor PointGod Rose….Cd at least starts the season as the starter,and then at the glimpse of Rose getting comfortable,Du goes back to the bench…But Jerry’s Kid Kirk demands to play,and I don’t see the VDN crew throwing Rose in there day 1 …………..We have Kirk,so Rose will have to wait til they can find an adequate replacement for Rose in a back-up PG and then move Kirk somewhere where they promise Jerry they will do his oldest boy right and start him! We will be better w/o Du,but if Rose is to be as good as everybody thinks,Kirk will be taking away from his minutes until he is moved…Larry Hughes and or BG will command minutes at Sg,and Kirk will not replace Hughes in the starting line-up if he is still part of the team if only to showcase Hughes for a trade……so,Du is an adequate back-up,but Kirk is the face of the team…probably the worst player in NBA history to be announced last for his respective team!
by dakidfromchitown on
Aug 20, 2008 8:26 PM CDT
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Injuries will change this picture quickly
Most of his predictions would be great if it was last year
1 Boston
2 Pistons
3 Philly
4 Cleveland
5 Bulls
6 Toronto
7 Miami
8 Milwaukee
Bulls will be better than expected. Everyone was predicting them to go to the eastern conf finals, they fell but they are still a lot better than people are giving them credit for.
The one thing that I do think is going to happen to frustrate a lot of fans is I don’t think D Rose is going to play as much as we want. Gooden will be solid and he will be the low post option we where searching for. Tyrus is still going to be light years away from where we want him to be. Noah is going to contribute in a huge way. This SI writer is smoking crack.
I don’t think Orlando will be as good as last year.
injuries could bring that team down quickly. I don’t see hedo having the same year he had last year in terms of stats
Washington will also enjoy its annual injury season
Atlanta is about to self destruct
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Aug 15, 2008 12:46 AM CDT
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I'm sorry
…but counting teams out of the playoffs because of injuries that haven’t happened yet is kind of silly. Injuries could bring any team down quickly. Not to mention the fact that Orlando and Washington have good players at more than 1 position.
Washington played a good portion of their season without Arenas and still made the playoffs. Someone in the state of Florida will teach Howard how to post up and he will only get better. Atlanta lost Childress, but they have a real point guard now, and the guy who had my vote for ROY in Al Horford (and that Joe Johnson guy too)
oh, and I like Noah’s energy as much as the next guy, but I don’t think he’ll ever contribute in a huge way. Hes the Junkyard Dog 2.0, and I’m fine with that.
by darksmokepuncher on
Aug 15, 2008 7:27 AM CDT
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except as a rookie Noah contributed in a huge way
just not in the flashier box-score stats.
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Aug 15, 2008 9:42 AM CDT
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i think atanta is better than fighting for one spot
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Aug 15, 2008 8:15 AM CDT
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Why?
Players departing: Childress(arguably the best 6th man in the NBA, cleans up for low percentage jump shooters)
Players arriving: Maurice Evans, Flip Murray, Randolph Morris, Thomas Gardner, Othello Hunter
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Aug 15, 2008 9:53 AM CDT
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Banking on continued improvement of young players
like Josh Smith and the under the radar breakout season potentially in the making for Marvin Williams. Marvin gave the Celtics fits in Round 1 of the playoffs.
Am I that optimistic on ATL? Not really but I do think it would be a disappointment if they didn’t make the playoffs.
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Aug 15, 2008 9:57 AM CDT
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I think they're going to be terrible
And Woodson’s fired by New Years. They only won 37 games last season, and replaced Josh Childress with Flip Murray, yuck.
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Aug 15, 2008 10:20 AM CDT
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Technically they replaced Childress with Mo Evans
but still, ack.
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Aug 15, 2008 10:25 AM CDT
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They won't be great, but with a full season of Bibby, that should help make up for the loss of Childress
Mike Woodson’s going to ride that Mike Brown train of surviving on barely meeting low expectations from a terrible franchise.
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by snley on
Aug 15, 2008 10:31 AM CDT
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Bibby's trending downward.
though he was an upgrade over what they had.
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Hawks continue to obtain duds at the guard position
Bibby
Speedy Claxton
Acie Law
Salim Stoudamire
Ronald Murray
… .. I guess Kirk wouldn’t be an upgrade
over this dud bunch mention?
Well they do have allstars/futures in Joe Johnson, and Al Horford, and decent players in Josh Smith, and maybe Marvin Williams?
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Aug 15, 2008 11:29 AM CDT
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Kirk and Noce for Bibby actually works as a deal
Bulls get out from under both contracts, shed $3M for this season, plus Bibby expires at the end of the year. Hell, I’d even throw in a protected first rounder for that kind of deal.
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by snley on
Aug 15, 2008 11:47 AM CDT
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That would be spectacular
Then we could send Bibby and Hughes on a double-secret mission to find Nicole’s real killer and play Rose, BG, and Thabo in the backcourt all season.
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by Jivas on
Aug 15, 2008 4:44 PM CDT
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Or...
We could have them engage in some sort of cage match, last man alive gets to ride our pine all year.
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Aug 15, 2008 4:47 PM CDT
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I'm so excited...
I’m seriously running this through the Trade Machine to see if it works. The Hawks get an upgrade at the point, a replacement for their departed SF/6th man, and we shed a boatload of unwanted salary and free up playing time for younger and more deserving players. Only question will be in the Hawks would be willing to take on the salary.
And….it works, but I think we need to take back Speedy Claxton as well, which is fine by me:
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=1981245661150&teams=1144&te=&cash=
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by Jivas on
Aug 15, 2008 4:57 PM CDT
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Deal.
Enjoy not playing Speedy Claxton.
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Aug 15, 2008 5:06 PM CDT
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You don't have to take back Speedy in my deal.
Just that annoying cash.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=6119812456&teams=411&te=&cash=4:1
Second, inadvertent effect, frees up more money to overpay BG.
by Dionysus2.0 on
Aug 15, 2008 6:23 PM CDT
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I'll be damned
I was so certain that it wouldn’t work, that I didn’t even bother trying. Nice. I’d have to think we’d get a pick back as well (not that I want to add any more 19-year olds to the roster anytime in the near future).
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by Jivas on
Aug 15, 2008 6:55 PM CDT
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Sorry, should have saved you the trouble and posted
a link to the trade machine. I was quite pleasantly surprised with that.
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by snley on
Aug 16, 2008 9:34 PM CDT
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Or....
we have Bibby fake a injury like he did last year and have him sit after game 20 so we have a great rotation as previously mentioned!
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Aug 20, 2008 8:36 PM CDT
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Almost forgot about Horford!
I think he’s a year away from his breakout but averaging a double double is not out of the question. I’d love to have this kid on the Bulls.
by messwiththebull on
Aug 15, 2008 12:09 PM CDT
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He's double double material in 08-09
He’ll be there this upcoming season.
by NBA Observer on
Aug 15, 2008 12:59 PM CDT
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They have to shoot above average to make the playoffs
If they’re still putting up a large number of bricks they let their best putback player walk to Athens for nothing.
High percentage shooting most likely helps most teams make the postseason anyway.
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Aug 15, 2008 11:21 AM CDT
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Bulls have one significant downgrade from last year!
Let’s go back in history (October-December 2007) who was basically the best player on the Bulls roster and also provided good offense?
He’s currently not on the team: Joe Smith.
Gooden replaces Wallace and Simmons replaces Joe Smith. Tyrus? Noah step up offensively? Never seem non-offensive players take an offensive leap comparable to a 1st pick, even if that pick is Joe Smith.
Smith, a 1st pick in the draft, may have been average most of his career, but we were only ok to see him go just because of the Wallace package leaving Chicago.
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Aug 15, 2008 11:10 AM CDT
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I think power forwards with some inside scoring skill
do better in chicago because of the rest of the league paying more attention to our outside shooters.
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Aug 16, 2008 2:08 PM CDT
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The big question mark regarding how we do this year is Rose.
I hate to put extra pressure on this rookie but for us to have a good year he would have to be a significant contributor and make others better. We may have to wait a year for this to happen. I’m hoping we are all pleasantly surprised.
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Aug 15, 2008 11:56 AM CDT
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but remember
how the team preferred Duhon to Hinrich last year because of his point guard skills?
well even if Rose doesn’t become a massive star this year, he should bring an immediate upgrade for the rest of the team as a true point guard.
Also, Rose is much more nba ready and skilled then say Tyrus. (Think rookie impact of Gordon and Deng)
That means that Rose Deng and Gordon makes us a three headed scoring monster (as opposed to the occasional Hinrich, who now comes in as a very good bench upgrade)
This doesn’t even speculate on what the younger, less offensive talented players will have developed for this year. (Noah, Tyrus, Thabo)
or even what a full training camp involving gooden will bring…
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Aug 16, 2008 2:18 PM CDT
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It's pretty sad to be considered about three spots below the Bobcats
and #13 in the East considering all the high picks over the last several years.
Either we can’t pick ’em, develop ’em, coach ’em or trade for good ones!
Something seriously wrong here.
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Aug 15, 2008 12:42 PM CDT
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The predictions
last year were equally misleading. I don’ t think we will be as bad as they say. After all, last year we were not as good as they thought we’d be. They seem to be wrong a lot. We have a lot to prove now, Deng’s signed contract, new motivation, hopefully some trades yet to come, a top draft pick, new coach…I’d say there is a lot of potential there. If we fail, well, that is what they are predicting. I think we will do better than that, but likely won’t pick up steam until after all the nightmare road trips in the first half of the season.
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by cranscape on
Aug 15, 2008 12:57 PM CDT
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Can't it be all of the above?
I lean away from the “pick’em” category though.
by NBA Observer on
Aug 15, 2008 1:00 PM CDT
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We had so many bad things happen last year I'm optimistic
something unexpectedly good will happpen this year. I will not be a Negative Nancy until after October 28th. Last year the game that made me a Negative Nancy was the November 24th, eleventh game of the season against the Knicks at MSG. We were pathetic. I knew this was a predictor of bad things to come. I created new curse words in the game string. I was even too negative for Matt. Ugh – bad memories.
2008-9 will bring smiles to our faces.
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Aug 15, 2008 3:49 PM CDT
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I agree
We have a coach who seems to understand player development
Two VERY experienced assistant coaches
Some very versitile players that fit what our new coach is looking for
But we still need a center.
by hlac on
Aug 15, 2008 5:32 PM CDT
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Yes! Huge 'UPGRADE'
No more Boylan and Skiles! or Skiles and Boylan!
Actually Pete Myers stunk during his 1 day temporary head coach game before Boylan was selected.
Myers substitions and players he gave minutes too was just as brainless as Boylan!
by exult463 on
Aug 15, 2008 8:05 PM CDT
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Irrational.
The Bulls add the number one overall pick in the NBA draft and eliminate the distraction of a mid-season coaching change, but the pundits somehow still prognosticate that we will be worse (relative to the rest of the East) than we were last season.
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He's a 19 year old rookie!
Tyrus potentially a 2nd pick hasnt made an impact. Durant, 19 year old didn’t do much to will his team to playoffs. Things happen. Oden hasn’t made a impact towards winning a game yet in the NBA.
Now your second point (coach situation) has merit!
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Aug 15, 2008 8:10 PM CDT
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The Talent level in terms
of Tyrus and Rose have been considered very different. Whereas the year tyrus was picked, there weren’t any players considered to be all stars or even immediate impact players coming out of school, we have been given a consistent perception that Rose and Beastely will be.
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Aug 16, 2008 2:24 PM CDT
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upgrades? WTF.
So, if you’re driving a 1986 rust-bucket Blazer, and you upgrade the fuel pump with a fuel pump from a 1984 VW Rabbit, is it an upgrade?
Upgrading parts of a whole only work out if the parts work together. (Was Shaq an upgrade in PHX? hmmmm. Webber in Detroit? Iverson in Denver?)
Rose and Vin appear to be great upgraded pieces, but we (the fans) need to see this rust-bucket play as a team.
Now, Beasley? That kid is an upgrade to any team…like nitrous is to any car. (I haven’t gotten over the draft yet.)
by chicago-homesick-blues on
Aug 15, 2008 11:58 PM CDT
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I see where Gordon is leaving.
If they would trade Hughes for a 4 or 5 with a similar contract, it would sure help!
by hhirb on
Aug 16, 2008 6:39 AM CDT
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Did I not write that in English?
Whereto is he going? You said you knew WHERE he is going…
by BAB-Bass on
Aug 16, 2008 11:25 AM CDT
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Gordon to Europe....
I wish I had that inside track to to know where BG is going too?
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Congratulations
to Kirk and Jill HInrich on the birth of their daughter, Kenzie Elizabeth 7ibs. 7oz. on Aug. 14th.
Good luck Shawn Johnson, Lolo Jones and Doug Schwab. Bring home the gold!!!
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Aug 16, 2008 10:33 AM CDT
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Ah, cute name!
Congrats to them; hope everyone is doing well.
Man-slave, bring me my PB&J!
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That baby is undersized
What a bust!
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But is she a pure point?
"I’m gonna rise up, gonna kick a little ass. Gonna kick some ass in the USA. Gonna climb a mountain, gonna sew a flag, gonna fly on an eagle. I’m gonna kick some butt, gonna drive a big truck. I’m gonna rule this world. I’m gonna kick some ass. I’m gonna rise up, gonna kick a little ass. Rock, flag, and eagle!"
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Hinrich is a team player. He even had the baby in the off-season so he wouldn't miss
any games.
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not physically
I’m sure if the mope look returns like last season, the excuse will be out there.
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Congrats to Pax and Dorf...
They had a baby named Deng,and they are treating their other son like crap!
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Bulls have also downgraded
The level of excitement NBA FA’a in the coming years.With the Deng and BG thing taking place over 2 summers,and one still at an impasse,this would have to “downgrade” the level of excitement the rest of the leagues FA’s are looking at this organization…I am sure players always root for player to win negotiations by putting themselves in the same position as the player that’s going through some things with any organization…So,I would think if I was an NBA player thinking about going to the Chicago ballclub,I would be saying to myself….“Damn,they drafted these guys and they gave them the blues for 2 summers,they threw the Bank at Ben Wallace who can’t score a lick and was on the down swing of his career,But they won’t sign back their own high valuable draft picks…I don’t know if I will go there and wonder how they act if we have a mutual option and they are near the salary cap”….just thinking…that has to be a downgrade..even if you sign BG today
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Aug 22, 2008 5:35 PM CDT
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I need some sort of parsing program
for your comments…dotdotdotdotdot
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Aug 24, 2008 3:57 PM CDT
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Seriously, what happened to friendly words like 'of' and 'that'?
Come on now.
Getting at your points, though, err … what you just said only matters for their draft picks, who don’t really care/have any choice.
Anyone the Bulls would really want in FA would be near a max value anyways, unless we need to sign Duhon Redux 2.0 for $7 million a season or something. It doesn’t paint Chicago as the friendliest ballclub to deal with, though.
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