I know it’s fair game to dissect everything, but I wouldn’t peg Gordon as someone who would be a detriment in the locker room if he came back. Now, if he came back on just the QO, that’s a different story.

I actually did notice that.

He was kinda bitter about it

The perception that everyone felt Philly WANTED to keep Iggy, and it was just a haggle over money issues. Iggy was more of a ‘keep at most any cost’ and Gordon’s situation seems like a ‘keep if we can lowball him a bit’.

I’d say there is also a perception that perhaps the Bulls and Gordon don’t want each other that badly, so the argument that no one else has/can offer him something comes from that point of view.

Of course, having a RFA get no other offers doesn’t mean much and until an official offer is known it’s hard to tell who really has interest in a RFA who might not sign with his team or not.

I don’t think it’s unfair to say Gordon wouldn’t get more elsewhere, but it’s not really the same as the Iggy situation. Philly clearly wants to keep him. If the Bulls are using luxury tax excuses, it doesn’t seem the same.

Mortimer

iggy is a monster have you watched him play?

if the bulls had one player on their roster who was that agressive they’d be in much better shape. and by “being agressive” i don’t mean chucking without restraint like BG.

To the term “holding out” applied to a player who is not under contract. The player has no less, and no more, of an obligation than the team does to agree on a contract, and using terms like “holding out” when no contract has been agreed upon unfairly places the burden on the player. This is one very small example of how public response has traditionally been turned against the players in contract (or collective bargaining) negotiations.

Don’t mean to pick on anyone here, this is just a big pet peeve of mine. A player who is unsigned, and who does not report to camp/practice/etc., is NOT holding out. At least not any more than the team is also holding out.
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(And if you read some of my other comments, you’ll know that in this individual case I believe Gordon to suffer from delusions of grandeur regarding his worth).

I’m not one to hold a grudge on an internet blog discussion forum. You’re the one that’s constantly about to break your keyboard over your head every time you post and always talking to everyone else around here like they’re 10 years old. Not exactly my problem.

if I was him that’s what I would aim for. Hoping that the Bulls come close to Ellis’ numbers even if it’s less. If it doesn’t happen then accept the QO and wait till next year.

and if I’m the Bulls I’m staying close to what there offering and if needed raise the numbers some at the last minute. I see what there doing because as a real estate agent we play these games all the time when negotiating.

EVERYTHING?

Are you sure you don’t want to reign that back in?

Sure, draft position is something that agents will talk about when it’s in their clients best interest. But if it’s not, don’t think for one second that a player or agent cares about draft status… I’m pretty sure Monta Ellis and his agent weren’t on the edge of their seat waiting to see what Von Wafer signed for.

Rookie deals are based on draft position. Every other deal that player will ever sign is based on his value to the team that signs him.

Or Darko, extremely high picks who showed not-much during their rookie deals but somehow make people think they still got something left to show…

...then your 2nd deal has ZERO to do with where you were drafted except with stupid GMs and agents trying to say anything positive he can about the player.

And if your agent is hyping up your lottery selection, that means you didn’t do much else. To me, it’d be embarrassing to use where I was drafted as a bargaining ploy since that was 4 years ago, and it shows I hadn’t done anything else I can make my case with.

Where you were drafted only matters, financially, for your rookie deal.

Mortimer