Summer League Game Thread: Chicago @ Indiana
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 8, 2008 3:35 PM CDT
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PrintWell, yesterday's threads were definitley a shock. Close to 800 comments total on a summer league game.
If you're not aware by now, you must go to the Orlando Magic website to watch these games. They are being streamed live, so if you're at work and can't watch, well you suck at life. Hopefully NBA Observer records the game and is able to send it to whomever is eager to watch it later on.
Obviously, this game doesn't have the big hype of yesterday, unless you are pumped about the Tyrus Thomas/Shawne Williams matchup. I think most people (myself included) are just desperate to see some aggressive play from Rose from the get-go, and some play from Noah and Thomas that doesn't harken comparisons to 5th grade basketball. The rosters for both teams are here
Chicago Bulls basketball: Where 3/5 of the starting lineup is alarmingly medicore ;)
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I vote for Thomas to play, play more and play regularly.-Sam Smith
I think we're going to see a much more aggressive
Rose this game. Hopefully he’s realized that we didn’t pick him just to dribble down court and pass to the wing. Beasley stepped on court with an air to take over immediately. Rose didn’t do that. I think he’s going to try today.
Should be fun.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
Kevin Durant is going to play in the next game for OKC.
Apparently, he was a late addition. Unless the announcers are lying.
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yup...
its gonna be nice to see that westrbook-green-durant combo
too bad...
they’ll never catch up to portland (in terms of their own division)...they have no oden or LMA
by chicagosports23 on Jul 8, 2008 7:23 PM CDT up reply actions
I just tuned in for the Heat game
Everybody’s favorite player from yesterday, Beasley, 1-13 from the field?? Is that right or did I not hear that correctly?
I believe that is correct.
He has gone from a Hall-of-Famer to a scrub in the course of one summer league game.
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wonder what song he's singing.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 8, 2008 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions
I have an inkling he is going to get blocked a lot in the League.
It doesn’t mean he won’t be an effective player, of course, but many of his shots are ripe for blocking.
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That's what I saw looking at hm before the draft.
There were so many inside shots in college that an NBA caliber help defender would have swatted. And offensive rebounds he wouldn’t get n the NBA. He’s going to score, but it’s going to come facing up outside.
It'll hurt his efficiency a little bit
But he’ll still be able to score from the outside with great volume, if slightly less efficiency, and will be able to pick his spots/defenders to take inside.
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Of course. I've said all along that he's
likely a version of Carmelo that rebounds. But, I thought it was also pretty clear his game didn’t translate perfectly to the NBA. He’ll be an All-Star because he can score and looks so smooth doing it.
Or maybe yesterday Beasley just
wanted to show Pax that he made a mistaken picking Rose at #1. But I still believe Rose was the right pick.
Please Pax!!! Can you trade Hughes???
P.S. These announcers need to stop fawning over Chalmers.
Enough.
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He had a good game.
Was agressive the way I would have liked to see Rose play yesterday.
What I want them to do is NEVER say “Soul-eater” EVER again in reference to TT…
majo trouble all day watching the heat game...
happen to anyone else?? seems to be showing in slow mo
yea same here
not really slow mo but it plays fine for a little, then it just freezes at one spot for a few seconds while the announcers keep talking, then skips forward to the spot where it’s at
Who was Beasley guarding?
Brook Lopez? If so he had got pwned on both ends of the court.
That'd be sweet, especially if the mascot was named Lionel
We have every right to dream heroic dreams. Those who say that we're in a time when there are no heroes, they just don't know where to look.
Ronald Reagan
Hell no. Mascot would have to be Snarf.
But, unfortunately, I doubt that OKC will really adopt the name “Thundercats.”
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That's what I get for trying to recall a name from a show I haven't watched in 20 years
We have every right to dream heroic dreams. Those who say that we're in a time when there are no heroes, they just don't know where to look.
Ronald Reagan
I guess they're not calling the Bulls game later this afternoon...
Don’t know if there will still be video. Bummer.
You know
I actually don’t mind that AT ALL.
No “soul-eater” Tyrus is just FINE by me..
What killed me
was the deification of Super Mario Chalmers. God almighty.
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by MPG on Jul 8, 2008 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Anybody??
anyone know the link where you can email ‘em? i tried orlandomagic.com and navigated through it but can’t find it.
he can really handle his balls.
on the home page. lower left corner.
click “watch live.”
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by MPG on Jul 8, 2008 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions
YA this link is WAYY better
it opens the feed on windows media player only minus all the advertisements and nba broadband stuff.
by AFireInside661 on Jul 8, 2008 6:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Cubs apparently just traded for Rich Harden
Someone here will want to hear that information.
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They want to have Thonus on their new "pregame show"
They’re getting requests to have Thonus on before tomorrow’s Bulls game.
LINK to day two miami vs new jersey box score
http://www.nba.com/media/magic/Game_4_Box_Score.pdf
beasley played a weak game vs NJ’s C sean williams. Why couldn’t noah do the same? i mean beasley went 0-9 fg in the first half?! i think it was vodoo magic yesterday.
by AFireInside661 on Jul 8, 2008 6:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Offensive boards are important
They keep possessions alive. Dribbling off your knee out of bounds on the other hand….
at lunch today
there was a tv on and it showed some clips of the game yesterday, including tyrus’ nice swat on beasley. looked good – glad i caught it since i missed most of the game.
5 minutes till game time
just a cam watchin the bulls team warmup. prob just me but why does derricks brother go everywhere he goes? damn let the kid grow up, just my opinion though.
by AFireInside661 on Jul 8, 2008 6:09 PM CDT up reply actions
They all have
friends that travel with them, stay at their house/hotel, warm their car up. They call them entourages. It is quite normal. Rose has his brother. Not really a big deal. Probably better than a bunch of old high school friends.
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The announcers said that they wouldn't be doing the 3rd game...
....but they didn’t indicate whether it would be webcast, or whether anyone else would be calling the game.
It may just be sneaker sounds and the crowd for the 3rd game.
by BullsFanInSeattle on Jul 8, 2008 6:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Rose is 0 for..
during shootaround. Missed a handful or 3s and blew a finger roll. It’s gonna be a long day for him it seems…
Silence
So is this game just going to be silent?
It has started.
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Tyrus and Rose are in midgame form..
Tyrus fouled a jumpshooter
Rose mishandled and turned the ball over…
If you are not even
a fan of the Bulls why are you here? All you post are negative things.
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I'm a die hard Bulls fan, actually
Just calling them as I see them.
I wish they were better.
If I wasn’t a Bulls fan, why would I be watching Summer League?
If you were a Bulls fan....
...why would you be critiquing the Bulls in Summer League?
I don’t doubt you’re a Bulls fan, but you get the point, right??
by BullsFanInSeattle on Jul 8, 2008 6:20 PM CDT up reply actions
I know it sounded negative...
but it’s more cynicism than hate.
Here’s a positive note: Rose does look fast.
I'm all for objectivity....
...but coming out of the gate with ‘mid-game form’ comments comes off as snide.
I just want to see Rose’s handles. Does he push the team up and down the floor as expected? The results of those possessions are not necessarily of the greatest import to me right now.
by BullsFanInSeattle on Jul 8, 2008 6:23 PM CDT up reply actions
He pushes nicely, but...
I don’t really like the 1/4 court outlets he’s been doing. He’s more productive with the ball in his hands to bring the ball up.
He’ll get it together sooner than later.
It is just disconcerning
since you don’t like Noah, Tyrus, or Rose and seem to love Beasley. We have what we have. Might as well try to like what we have because it isn’t changing.
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I like those guys
but just don’t like how they are playing.
I don’t get down on Noah, because I know what he brings. He’s a solid player (not too up, nor down)
Tyrus and Rose have a great ceiling, but they need to be more consistent (raise the floor a bit).
after 2 games in summer league
rose must be more consistent. you are right.
Point made more toward Tyrus, but
I did watch the majority of Memphis’s games last season (I have a buddy who plays in the band there and I watch to see him on TV, heh).
Rose was not that consistent in college. He picked up his game later in the tourney.
Clutch factor is a good attribute of his, but clutch only comes into play if its close…
Tyrus was the same way in college
While I was happy they got him in the draft (I wanted him over Aldridge), Tyrus, too, was a tourney star.
Flashes of brilliance that hasn’t become a consistent part of his game were seen in college too…
That looked more
like a travel than a foul on Tyrus. I forgot how annoying refs could be.
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dood
and he got a steal and didn’t give it up to Rose when he called ro it and fell victim to the ‘pull the chair away’ and fell on his ass.
by AFireInside661 on Jul 8, 2008 6:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Tyrus looking a lot better today
Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky
Rose doesn't look nervous like yesterday
his d is more intense and he’s being pretty aggressive pushing the ball. just seems like he has a problem getting through screens. he’s created like 4+ fastbreaks and we just scored like 9 points in less than two minutes because of them.
Defense
looks a lot tighter and they are actually moving the ball around with the offense more. I like Rose’s speed right now. Tyrus is attacking the rim. It doesn’t reflect in the score so much, but it looks better than yesterday.
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TT is running the floor too
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tyrus has a nice shooting stroke from the free throw stripe
bodes well for him developing a dependable jumper
roger that
and once they took the lead the bulls whole attitude changed they got intense and their energy increased like a mofo. someone just low-bridged rose’s hamstring.
by AFireInside661 on Jul 8, 2008 6:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Tyrus is definitely running up the court
Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky
not sure summer league is where noah excels
he plays better under pressure, in actual games
He didn't play last year
could be part of it.
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Paxson starts game 3 today as a genius for not taking Mbizi
Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky
one problem i see for rose in summer league
is that the other wings are intent on handling the ball
I noticed that a lot in the first game
He’d pass…and then never get the ball back again. Some of these guys are fighting for a spot on a roster. They are obviously going to act like it and keep the ball in their hands.
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this will be a good game to rewatch
hopefully bulls observer comes through, this ones starting off well.
Is it safe to say that...
....Tyrus has never played with a PG as quick as Rose, and Rose has never played with a PF as quick as Tyrus?
I’m just wondering if these two don’t have a much larger learning curve together, due to the fact that they’re both freaks.
by BullsFanInSeattle on Jul 8, 2008 6:30 PM CDT reply actions
it's too bad we couldn't get the commentators
i miss Tangerine Man already
he can really handle his balls.
TT
did he get more tattoos?
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Do you know how much stronger the Bulls get
when we get dribble penetration from the SG position and he gets to the rim to finish/foul?
We need this bad.
Aaron Gray has boosted his speed!
He actually moves down the court nicely, now.
Rose dribbled off of himself again after being trapped… Note to Rose, we have BG for that already.
Enough with the unrefuckinglenting pessimism
Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky
I gave Big Man some love
I actually think he could be a decent post-player. Like a bigger Brad Miller-type. Loved his game in college.
rose is being way more up tempo and aggessive
arran gray is noticeably quicker, and tyrus has improved his ballhandling. we scored like 12 points in under 3 minutes yo.
by AFireInside661 on Jul 8, 2008 6:38 PM CDT up reply actions
so are we playing against a high school basketball team?
rose has made some QUICK moves to the hoop…aaron gray just botched a layup off one of his feeds.
rose isn’t overly assertive in looking for his shot….at memphis he started to really look for his shot later in the year….he found his place on the team before he really started to assert himself on the offensive end….it wouldn’t surprise if he does the same with the Bulls….and I don’t think that’s a terrible thing.
yeah
i get the sense he doesn’t know when he should take over and when he should defer.
how many points does rose have?
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
points, assists, rebounds, the whole shebang I mean
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by MPG on Jul 8, 2008 6:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Who is the center on the other team?
He’s made some nice plays. A nice tip dunk at the start and has broken up a few plays.
Before the flame force comes, this is not an anti-Bulls post, but I want to know who that guy is…
which feed are u using?
the nba.com or chicagobull.com? try bulls.com cuz it’s without all the broadband advertisements/stuff.
by AFireInside661 on Jul 8, 2008 6:43 PM CDT up reply actions
that was a bigtime block...
it was on his own man, not a helpside block
That was a good set
Rose got an easy open jumpshot.
Didn’t go in, but that’s the kind of ball movement he can bring.
Tyrus also back in
Rose is getting pretty good at drawing contact
That little up and under move gets the defenders every time.
he is going to get to the line a ton
the Bulls need a guy like that. I wouldn’t be surprised if he shot 7 fouls shots a game his rookie season
i wouldnt be surprised if he missed 4 of them...
he’s been looking pretty shaky on the line
he can really handle his balls.
would you like a crown
as king of the naysayers?
His FT shooting was well documented in college
The whole Memphis team couldn’t shoot from the line that well.
On the other hand, they kept getting to the line which is good.
Would you rather shoot 5-10 from the line or 4-4?
More chances is better in my book
you would think he could pass on the layup and just dunk it
his arms are long and he has the hops, i think hes just a little bit alligator-arms when he goes in the paint.
by AFireInside661 on Jul 8, 2008 6:48 PM CDT up reply actions
VERY NICE
rose getting a board (love to see him do that).
Pushes it himself, threads the needle to a cutting big, Noah for the slam
and then the opposite happens second time around
rose’s lob pass to noah in transition gets stolen … bounce that pass!
Rose '08
You know, some of these summer league guys confuse me
Why would you work so hard to get a roster spot, if you’re going to play such shitty defense?
Tyrus
doesn’t our team have enough jumpshooters?
true
that shooting stroke looks like it’s improved though
tyrus has got the shotblocking, rebounding.....
but how would you rate his ‘court sense;’ that’s my big concern with him.
I see him with the ball in his hands, and he’s still far from comfortable. His basketball IQ on the offensive end still seems like a young, raw-talented player. I just hope we can get him a whole lot of dunks this year.
who is number 6?
I like him better than the other wings
the former Kansas guy?
ha. I thought he sucked in college. that may speak to the level of competition out there.
ya and then he swished the 11 footer on the other end.
by AFireInside661 on Jul 8, 2008 6:58 PM CDT up reply actions
I particularly enjoyed
the sequence where his man took a shot and then went around him for the rebound and lay-up while he stood and watched…
I love the camera man
totally is following the Bulls more than the other team.
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that's definitely true.
and those bulls uni’s are nice….
Screw that
If he gets to the line 20 times, he’ll make 10
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 8, 2008 7:02 PM CDT up reply actions
and put the other team in foul trouble.
I agree with those thoughts
Love how they
Have the ENTIRE coaching staff assembled for summer league
:D
The entire coaching staffs are pretty much there for every team.
The only difference is that most of the head coaches just sit in the stands.
i'm not sure
but i think rose just asked VDN to go in for the last shot of the half – gotta like that
Game tied 35-35 at the half
Rose looking much better so far. Being more aggressive, getting to the FT line.
Noah still looks like he’s high.
Tyrus playing much better than yesterday.
noah looks like he's still recovering from a weekend
with Bob Marley.
Wonderign the same thing
but whatever they are, dude should have a whole lot more assists.
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by MPG on Jul 8, 2008 7:06 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm impressed with his ability to get into the lane,
hang in the air, find an open guy. Not so impressed with what happens after that, though. :)
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by MPG on Jul 8, 2008 7:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe 5 or 6 points
I don’t remember him get a jumpshot. But i think he got made some layups
Please Pax!!! Can you trade Hughes???
No announcers, no stats until the end of the game.
Doug Thonus posted halftime stats yesterday at Real GM, but nothng today yet.
Liked Noah getting that inbound pass
not much of a fan of Rose jump passes though. He’s done it a few times, and it’s irritating to see
I'm hoping that Deng's watching and sees that
Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky
could be a lot of easy points for him
Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky
I could do without Derrick Rose's
two foot passes to the wing. VDN needs to say something.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
whoa tyrus
Asked what kind of player he expects to be in the next five years, he said: "Not a star, but like, a superstar. Something around, like, Chris Paul, Kobe Bryant, LeBron James, Kevin Garnett, Paul Pierce, something like that."
He looked like Keith Langford out there.
Except better.
Nobody really
since the trades for Rush and Hibbert aren’t official yet.
Need to work on some fundamentals...
Like getting an arm up in shooters faces. This reduces FG% alot
And not jumoing on pumpfakes. Espc when the player still has his dribble.
Yes, Tyrus, I’m looking at you…
thats what I'm talking about
Asked what kind of player he expects to be in the next five years, he said: "Not a star, but like, a superstar. Something around, like, Chris Paul, Kobe Bryant, LeBron James, Kevin Garnett, Paul Pierce, something like that."
hahaha the extremely audible "what!?" was perfect for summer league
Asked what kind of player he expects to be in the next five years, he said: "Not a star, but like, a superstar. Something around, like, Chris Paul, Kobe Bryant, LeBron James, Kevin Garnett, Paul Pierce, something like that."
ugggghhhh
tyrus is treating this like a joke. why bother playing if you’re not going to give up the ball. once.
Asked what kind of player he expects to be in the next five years, he said: "Not a star, but like, a superstar. Something around, like, Chris Paul, Kobe Bryant, LeBron James, Kevin Garnett, Paul Pierce, something like that."
Oy
Tyrus. ::shakes head:: just dives into the lane so senselessly sometimes.
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If we're going to play a game predicated on screen rolls...
...will someone please tell Tyrus that he actually needs to set a screen sometime instead of slipping it. Maybe we could actually force some mismatches. Tyrus has learned well from Noce, the master of the ineffectual slip screen.
Ben Wallace
was great at “setting” the screen and slipping to the basket for… no reason
To get fouled and then miss both.
That was the reason, I think.
Plus 1,000,000
Watching Noce not set screens and wait to get the ball is one of the goddamn most annoying things about watching Bulls games.
TT is still young enough, hopefully he’ll learn. He should watch Noah.
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Was supposed to have more there
Watching Noce not set screens and then wait to get the ball back is one of the worst memories of Bulls hoops the last few years.
TT is young enough, he might learn. He should watch Noah.
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Getting a little animated here.
Rose can’t do much if his teammates are just standing around. At least get out of the damn lane so he can drive.
It's frustrating that he seems like the only guy interested in a team game.
Everyone else is either hogging to try to make the squad or just screwing around.
enough about tyrus...
look at how rose has been playing recently! (in a bad way)
he can really handle his balls.
he needs to hang onto the ball more
too selfless. maybe he CAN learn a thing or two from tyrus.
Asked what kind of player he expects to be in the next five years, he said: "Not a star, but like, a superstar. Something around, like, Chris Paul, Kobe Bryant, LeBron James, Kevin Garnett, Paul Pierce, something like that."
What has been bad about his play
He’s been doing his job, his teammates are too reckless with the ball
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 8, 2008 7:31 PM CDT up reply actions
He's not a great shooter
We already knew that. That will get better with more practice.
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 8, 2008 7:32 PM CDT up reply actions
summer league
i hate all these hacks in summer league. it makes the game so boring and definitely isnt impressing the coaches if these guys are trying to earn a roster spot or camp invite. they should just play real basketball without reaching in on every possession.
by kite on Jul 8, 2008 7:33 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Has Tyrus had an alleyoop in either game?
This should be happening every 5th time down the floor.
Have you not noticed
how there are always four guys in the lane? The spacing isn’t good for alleyoops.
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wtf is joakim doing?
i like the effort but its really useless to go for a steal on every inbound pass.
and
I’m sure Sonics, Suns and Magic fans preferred that Payton, KJ and Penny did it
I hope VDN tells Rose to be more aggressive at some point this summer.
Just so he can get some practice at it.
it's the two foot passes that kill me
it’s not real ball movement, and he just hands it to somebody else. Those need to stop. (Last time I mention it)
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by MPG on Jul 8, 2008 7:39 PM CDT up reply actions
he needs to learn to be the primary ball handler
he keeps giving up and those guys on the wings are gunning. Good lesson for when he’s playing with Mr. 41% aka Larry Hughes
I failed to see anyone play any legit D at all
It’s like a playground game, everyone just hacks each other
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 8, 2008 8:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Much of this is because they aren't running any offense.
Most of Rose’s experience at Memphis was in a structure. Once we get the real team together, there will be more of that. However, he should be taking this opportunity to work on his improvisation skills. I put the onus on VDN to tell Rose that he should be trying some things, getting creative, breaking out of his shell a little bit. Use summer league to get better playing with chaos.
Tyrus' handle
I wish that Thorpe had informed TT that he would be so dangerous if he would actually work on his ballhandling. With the emergence of his 10-15 ft game, it would be nice if we could count on him to take two strong dribbles under control and finish strong at the rim instead of barreling through the lane and throwing up crap. He’s a hybrid 4 at best – if he can’t back down his man, he at least better face up and score consistently at the rim. Haven’t seen that out of him in three years. Not sure what he’s paying IMG for.
But, I can’t wait to see what Lu’s added to his game thanks to his work with the Thorpedo.
Sure in two weeks, Thorpe should have turned him into
Karl Malone. These two days have reminded me why i stopped reading game threads. Derrick Rose, Tyrus, Noah, and aren’t going to be different players than they were three months ago. What were people expecting to see? Because this is exactly what they should of realistically been expecting to see.
I don't know what you guys thik
But i ddin’t liked what I saw in this quarter, Actually, i hated
Please Pax!!! Can you trade Hughes???
Gray with a reverse layup(in)?
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first total clear-out I've seen
nice
Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky
funny
I thought Rose was the one who played with the team and Beasley was the one who was an isolation wonder
Rose's college offense was all isolation
Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky
but
one of the reasons we drafted him was because he’s going to get his teammates involved.
"Rose's offense"
As in—How he get’s his own points. How he helps his teammates with assists is a separate thing entirely.
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he said
“Rose’s highlights”. a nice assist is a highlight to me
ok, ok, you're right
a 20/10 guy yada yada yada. Now jump on the bus or hush up. You’re just flaming now.
by California Al on Jul 8, 2008 9:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Stop trolling.
When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer
its dealt with
nothing I can do now but hope I’m wrong but I think its funny that people are wanting isos for Rose when the whole point of drafting him was that hes a point guard.
Don't know why
you’re making that up.
I think everybody viewed him as a better end of clock isolation option than Ben Gordon.
Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky
um...
so you’re saying we didn’t draft him because he’s a point guard? Sure, he can isolate at the end of the clock (although I’d prefer this being done by someone who can shoot) but the plays people have been talking about weren’t those situations so I’m not sure what your point is.
maybe if you re-read it more slowly
you’d get it.
Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky
actually
my reading comprehension is quite fine, thanks. maybe you should work on yours because I didn’t say I don’t think he should isolate at the end of the clock, I said its funny that people are wanting the offense to be “isolate for Rose”
People just want to see isos because they want to see Rose be athletic.
He’s never run a pick-and-roll offense, so he doesn’t have the instincts for it yet. Iso and pick-and-roll are pretty much your two options in the disorganization of summer league. Rose’s “point guard” skills will be on full display once he and the rest of the team start practicing their real offense.
that's a good point
see how much better this communication thing works if you’re not accusing people of making things up and questioning their reading abilities?
You'e trying to own the gracious moral high ground? After this?--
“I thought Rose was the one who played with the team and Beasley was the one who was an isolation wonder”
Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky
in case you didn't get it
from that post, you could have read my numerous following posts where I explained that I was commenting on what some posters wanted to see, not actually about Rose and Beasley’s abilities. If people wanted to see one on one scoring than they should have wanted the Bulls to draft Beasley. That was my point. And I wasn’t being 100% serious.
OK. Here's what it is for me.
You know, and anybody who’s been reading this for the past month knows I wanted Beasley. I liked all the good stuff about him, and wasn’t turned off by the questionable or bad stuff about him.
But he’s not our guy. Derrick Rose is—and will be for the foreseeable future. I just see no benefit to ripping him or digging at his backers.
I want to like the guys we have, and to that end I’m attempting to focus on every single positive about his game that I can find.
Yes I rip Ben Gordon—but that’s primarily motivated by my feeling that he no longer wants to be here. Every single little piece of ‘news’ we’ve had about Gordon indicates he’s leaning away from, rather than towards the Bulls. If he changes his tune I’ll probably get back in his corner, but at this point I already see him as half-way out the door.
Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky
I understand
and I’m not really ripping him, and I guess I shouldn’t be digging at people but I have to admit that I’m still kind of mad at the franchise. They’ve made so many terrible decisions that I hated since MJ left and I’ve been against almost all of them and turned out right. I can’t help but think this is going to be another.
You’re right though Derrick is our guy and I do think he’ll be good and have been encouraged by some things in the summer league but it also seems clear that he’s pretty far away from being the star that some people claimed he’d be right away. That fact has spurned on my other controversial talk about letting Gordon and maybe even Deng go because we’re going to be bad next year I think, even with those two guys and we might as well start looking to the future and not signing guys who have not proven they can be stars to long deals.
Love that reply:
“I’ve been against almost all of them and turned out right.”
Folks, we’re among brilliance here. Absolute genius. We have a certifiable Theo Epstein-esque NBA GM on BlogABull.
not really
how hard was it to see that trading Brand for Chandler was stupid, trading for Jalen Rose was stupid, signing a declining Ben Wallace was stupid and trading Chandler for PJ Brown was stupid? These were all mind boggling to me. And there’s little moves here and there that were equally questionable. I don’t think it takes a genius to not have been happy with these moves
That's five moves of... 40? 50?
What about Eddy Curry? A good move you were against? Hinrich? Nocioni? Bad moves you were for? I can’t wait to see your blog.
well
I will go on record saying that I wanted us to resign Curry, definitely before the heart problem and that kind of muddled things but I still wanted to see how a team of Curry, Chandler, Deng, Gordon and Hinrich could have grown together. I think its hard to really hate on Curry when the Knicks are such a waste of a franchise and I am a firm believer that situation is a huge part of a player’s development.
However, I agreed wholeheartedly with the Crawford trade. Resigning Hinrich I was for and remain for, Nocioni’s deal is too long as I’ve said from the start but I think he gets too much hate. I also wanted the Bulls to draft Roy or Aldridge over Thomas and Ronnie Brewer over Sefolosha. I wanted Iguodala over Deng. I didnt want to trade JR Smith for nothing. But these aren’t huge deals compared to the ones I mentioned that are still hard to get over as a Bulls fan. And I fear greatly that passing on Beasley will be the same level of mistake.
So what's your point?
Every sane person knew Krause screwed up the team royally with those 2 trades. You’re not the first person to realize that, and no offense but you’re like 6 years late with your criticism.
Paxson messed up signing Ben Wallace, again something a ton of people realized. Paxson was aloof for not using PJ Brown’s expiring contract, but again something most people realized.
So, again, you’re unhappy with moves that have been dissected to the point of exhaustion. And, somehow, that implies Rose won’t be a superstar?
I think if the Bulls drafted Beasley we wouldn’t have heard a single word of criticism of you for the same exact roster.
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 9, 2008 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions
well
it wouldn’t be the exact same roster, they’d have Beasley instead of Rose who would have been a good fit with our current team and would not require a massive overhaul.
Obviously my complains about these moves aren’t new, my point is that as a fan these frustrations build up and I can’t help but feel like they just made another terrible move that could set the franchise back for another 5 years. If Rose becomes a superstar, and I’m not saying thats impossible by any stretch, then its all great but my fear has been that its a huge roll of the dice when Beasley would have been a sure thing.
I think it has a lot more to do with
you saying Rose over Beasley was a mistake since two months before the draft and continuing to say that in different forms over and over.
So we let Deng and Gordon go
And have an 8 man roster for the season? Or do you think Demetrius Nichols and JamesOn Curry are acceptable replacements?
And please show me the comments where everyone was claiming Rose was going to be great from the get-go. Really, almost every person on this site with some common sense has acknowledged 1000 times that Beasley was the safe pick, and Rose was the long-term project. The point was the Bulls aren’t contending for a title now anyways, they were better of building a team for the future.
The whole Beasley/Rose debate hinged on “Beasley is great now, but Rose will be better in 5 years.”
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 9, 2008 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions
Its workable
C-Noah, Gray
PF-Gooden, Thomas
SF-Nocioni, Sefolosha
SG-Hinrich, Hughes
PG-Rose, Hughes
And thats assuming we sign 0 free agents.
I don't think
we have to tank. We’re going to be bad either way. Just make logical choices in deciding to resign Deng and Gordon and don’t let the difference between being the 8th worst team and worst team affect your decision.
Excellent explanation
All he’s run at the college level is isos. Maybe vdn could have installed ddm for the summer league just for shits and giggles. He’s a 19 yr old rookie. I expect him to pretty much suck this year and hope he’ll have the capacity to work his game into a great NBA pg’s game around year 3 or 4. If you want to be a naysayer in the meantime, he’ll provide plenty of fodder.
by California Al on Jul 8, 2008 10:04 PM CDT up reply actions
so when he makes a good play
everyone is suppose to be upset because that isn’t the exact good play they wanted. get over it.
Haiku on Aaron Gray
Gray
Black and white
Especially the white
Ummm...do you know what a haiku is?
First line – 5 syllables
Second line – 7 syllables
Third line – 5 syllables
Thanks for playing.
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I think you'd have to mention the 'summer' league in there somewhere, too
Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky
Do know what a quibbler is?
I know a haiku has a certain structure to it. Or maybe I didn’t know and somehow stumbled upon the fact that it contains three lines.
I guess everyone here qualifies
3. petty or carping criticism; a minor objection.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/quibbler
Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky
The problem with the written word
The reader does not always take away the tone of the message that was intended by the author.
The complaints are fair, if the original message misunderstood.
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Woah. You can't quibble about a Haiku.
Either it is a Haiku or it isn’t. The syllables matter. And bonus points for mentioning seasons, usually fall and spring, but its summer so you got to mention the summer league.
Aaron Gray Reverse
summertime sweat dripping
false optimism
by JockstrapNoah on Jul 8, 2008 10:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Brief summary?
Sorry, I’ve been busy the last couple of hours because of the Rich Harden trade. Does anyone mind briefly summarizing what I’ve missed? Rose? Thomas?
Thanks!
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I think we have some
(for real this time) recording the stream for us.
Everything I post is speculation. I have no insider information nor ideas deemed concrete enough by those who are self-elected to regulate post content.
gray's playing real well
one of our few bigs with any touch around the hoop.
rose has finished a tough, tough layup or two
James-On looks like he could step right into Duhon's vacated shoes.
And I mean that as a compliment toward James-On.
believe so
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
by MPG on Jul 8, 2008 7:55 PM CDT up reply actions
I like
this improved shooting touch from Tyrus, but am I the only one who thinks its way too obvious when he’s gonna shoot and when he’s gonna put his head down and drive?
jesus tyrus
I love you. I hate you. I…I’m going to go buy your jersey.
Asked what kind of player he expects to be in the next five years, he said: "Not a star, but like, a superstar. Something around, like, Chris Paul, Kobe Bryant, LeBron James, Kevin Garnett, Paul Pierce, something like that."
I'm going to wait to see that he's on the opening day roster first!
:)
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you gotta love it
JamesOn Curry is fighting hard to get to travel with the team.
Oh they'd have to room together
on road trips. Pooh and Pee suite.
by NBA Observer on Jul 8, 2008 7:58 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
thank god
the Bulls are going to win this. It was one thing to lose to the Heat but this team has like one NBA prospect. It was looking bleak for a while but now we’re hitting everything. First win of the Rose era!
was a lot of
cheers after that putback
B.J. for three.... KABOOM!
by chibullsfan03 on Jul 8, 2008 8:01 PM CDT up reply actions
his ballhandling has been real tight
and his court vision has looked good. i’d like to see him get a spot.
not a good sign
our reserves our playing better than the starters…
"Move over Oscar Robertson and Jerry West, because the greatest guard in basketball history has just been drafted."
-Ron Coley (Assistant at Laney High School on June 19, 1984 the night Michael Jordan was drafted)
Our starters looked half asleep.
For Noah and Tyrus, I’m guessing that it’s hard to get pumped for these games after playing all last season in the big show. Rose just looks like he’s deferring to anyone who will let him defer.
I liked Tyrus.
Noah looked like he was wheezing out there though.
Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky
I liked Tyrus' skill set.
That jumper looked really consistent. If he can add an up-and-under to that, he’ll be really hard to stop. But I still think he looked disinterested, too; wasn’t crashing the boards, wasn’t even really trying that hard in help defense (which he seems to enjoy).
I also liked that Rose and Tyrus
kept up a steady stream of communication out there.
Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky
Perhaps trying to avoid injury?
Just a guess, but when you are not fighting for a spot on the roster getting tangled under the rim with a bunch of scrubs and rolling an ankle probably doesn’t sound like a good move. I know what one of their players fell on Rose’s leg I held my breath a second. It would be nice if he got an opening to do something spectacular, but with the lanes all clogged I’d rather he not do anything stupid.
Everything I post is speculation. I have no insider information nor ideas deemed concrete enough by those who are self-elected to regulate post content.
Noah did look a bit green
and out of breath. Not smoking so much should fix that though. I like the guy, but he looks winded. In both games.
Everything I post is speculation. I have no insider information nor ideas deemed concrete enough by those who are self-elected to regulate post content.
well deserving
of the hug/slap on the butt by Noah
B.J. for three.... KABOOM!
by chibullsfan03 on Jul 8, 2008 8:06 PM CDT up reply actions
NICE SPLIT
jameson
Asked what kind of player he expects to be in the next five years, he said: "Not a star, but like, a superstar. Something around, like, Chris Paul, Kobe Bryant, LeBron James, Kevin Garnett, Paul Pierce, something like that."
aaron gray
looks like an all-star
"Move over Oscar Robertson and Jerry West, because the greatest guard in basketball history has just been drafted."
-Ron Coley (Assistant at Laney High School on June 19, 1984 the night Michael Jordan was drafted)
Picking up where he left off
last season
Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky
Two games into his career, and Del Negro already has a win
A staggering performance from the sidelines tonight.
Don't quibble with a come from behind win...
Dum spiro spero! (While there is life, there’s hope!)--Leon Trotsky
You gotta be kidding me
The Clippers and Warriors are just doomed to fail at everything.
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 8, 2008 8:37 PM CDT up reply actions
they sure threw the whole FA market
innto a flux…
i feel bad for davis and the clips
and brand’s a greedy mofo… he just went to the sixers for the money, after the clips went through all the trouble to try and make the team better by getting Davis.
he can really handle his balls.
can you blame him?
I mean, ultimately it is a business…he made a business decision. Reminds me (not identical tho) to the boozer fiasco….
i guess the film production scene has def picked up in Philly for Brand to leave his side biz in LA.. lol
KC's Blog
Rose exits with 7:58 remaining and has a conversation with athletic trainer Fred Tedeschi while pointing at his right knee. Rose has battled tendinitis in that knee since college./blockquote>not good
Rose needs to spend the rest of the summer working on that jumper
If he gets that, he could easily average 18 points a game. Tyrus was much better, was picking the right spots to shoot his midrange jumper. What he needs to work on is just harnessing his initial burst of speed.Too often he decides to charge into the lane without really reacting to the defense in front of him. If he’s more patient, he’s going to have less of those stupid mistakes.
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 8, 2008 8:45 PM CDT up reply actions
That's a great point.
Watching Beasley and Tyrus yesterday really pinpointed that main issue with Tyrus’s face-up game. Beasley moves just fast enough to beat his defender while staying in control, while Tyrus always tries to sprint to the hoop. When it works it’s amazing, but it doesn’t really work that often.
(And I’m done complimenting Beasley for today.)
Rose had 7 assists
NICE!
But he only got 2-9 on FG. He definitely needs to improve his shoot. Specially his jumpshot
Please Pax!!! Can you trade Hughes???
for anyone who says rose is a bust
is not a true basketball fan because every top prospect PG that came into the league struggled for first couple years but then matured and got better, just look at the top 5 (cp3,nash,williams,ect) so dont give up on the young kid even his first two years hel struggle but onto my other thing i honestly thing Noah was the worst decision to be picked at number 7 (or was it 11?) not sure doesnt matter the boy has no offensive game what so ever, he cant shoot the ball… i mean he was an ok college player but i think he went that high cause the gators won the championship he dint deserve it.
Go blazers!
Oden...Aldridge...Roy.....THE REAL BIG THREE
Aldridge sucks ;-)
Sorry, just a reflex. Good point on the patience with pg’s, but I respectfully disagree about Noah. He’s no scorer, that’s for sure, but I think he can be a Marcus Camby-type guy – an important piece on the right team.
You have to consider where the Bulls thought they were during that draft.
They(we) were considering ourselves a step away from the conference finals. They were looking for a piece that would help immediately not a project for the future.
Eh?
When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer
This is the only blog I post at, so I can't really get it confused
with the message board I usually post at. Fortunately.
When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer
haikus
seven foot white guy
dominating summer league
must be aaron gray
expecting too much
of rose in the summer league
trolls on blogabull
low b-ball iq
can jump with the best of ‘em
hope he grew an inch
p.s: sorry for the negativity; i love the bulls… i just suck at making haikus.
arrested for pot
no offensive game at all
looks stoned on the court
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