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Who will I incessantly rip on now?

Chris Duhon is no longer a Chicago Bull.

The writing's been on the wall for months, but it's still odd to realize he won't be back. I'be been trying to restrain any premature celebrating of his departure, because I still thought he'd find a way to worm his way back on the roster. But even if the Bulls originally thought they'd put up a fight, they were certainly scared away by a nearly-MLE offer from the Knicks. (Apparently they've really clamped down on the wasteful spending: "We'll overpay you, but for only two years, buddy!")

Back to Chris Duhon sucking as a Bull and how much I hated it. A lot of it wasn't really his fault. He was the apple of Scott Skiles' eye, the type who'd give it his darndest even when overmatched, which was pretty much always. Skiles even used him to guard LeBron James on more than a-plenty of occasions.

But is it Duhon's fault that he was so often over-used and mis-used? Not really. As purely a backup PG who'd get only 10-12 minutes a night, he'd be fine. He doesn't turn the ball over, can hassle opposing PGs effectively, and he'll give you one game a year where he hits a half-dozen three-pointers. Maybe given limited minutes and strict instructions when to shoot (especially instructions to shoot when open...man how I detested that), he'd be especially effective.

But this contract is the second multi-yeared-and-millioned deal he's received in his career, and it's the essence of what is wrong with having Chris Duhon on your team: someone, likely in a decision-making position, will look at his skillset and 'intangibles' (though that strangely clashed with his off-court habits) and think that since he's an 'unselfish' and 'smart' player, that more minutes is a good thing.

It's not.

Duhon gets praised as a 'pass-first' point guard. But he's not 'pass first'. He's 'ass first'. His most preferred style of play is to play like ass. Then pass, then shoot. Oftentimes never getting to that third one, crippling your offensive flow, and ticking me off.

But no longer...and it's almost sad. (Wait, I forgot for a second that the Bulls just used the #1 overall selection to take a point guard.) So long, Duh! Despite your absence, consider this space, and apparently at least one Chicago bar (yes, those are my dainty hands in the photo), places where your legacy will remain intact.

P.s.: Duhon sucks.

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Stop Hating on Duhon

He was the most underappreciated Bull ever and I guarantee he’ll be a great starter in the future.

PS Duhon

by Belize on Jul 6, 2008 8:10 PM CDT reply actions  

At least

we still have Larry Hughes and Aaron Gray.

by YaoPau on Jul 6, 2008 8:24 PM CDT reply actions  

and Noc

Though who knows who VDN will appreciate more/less than Skiles did.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 6, 2008 9:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wait...

So the point you are trying to make is…?

by Syxx on Jul 6, 2008 9:23 PM CDT reply actions  

Wait - this is a photoshop, right? RIGHT?!?!?!

When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer

by Illini15 on Jul 6, 2008 10:04 PM CDT reply actions  

LOL at that t-shirt

Actually, I’m not sure who looks worse. At least Duhon’s chest is covered.

by Ozzie Montana on Jul 6, 2008 10:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's basically the worst/most corny/pathetic T-shirt I've ever seen.

I’ve never been much of a Duhon hater, but man, I just lost a ton of respect for him after seeing some of these pics. His T-shirt collection is straight-up embarrassing.

When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer

by Illini15 on Jul 6, 2008 10:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

While we're here

You deserve props for your contribution to the Bulls blogosphere through Bench Duhon, SC. My all time favorite post was the Trillionaire one.

What’s the future for your site? Will you be reporting on Duhappenings in NY?

by paxson43 on Jul 6, 2008 10:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Best Shirt Ever

I want that shirt. I like this guy… NY will be lots of fun for him. Thank God though he aint our PG

by NamingRightsOnSale on Jul 7, 2008 5:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

That blog is mega.

KUTGW

When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer

by Illini15 on Jul 7, 2008 9:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Duhon got...

the best off the wall celeb photos…damn this dude was bored

by Belize on Jul 7, 2008 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Matt hints at it

But the real problem with Duhon was with Skiles’ usage pattern with him (i.e. overuse). Duhon was a helluva 2nd round draft pick for Paxson, and is a valuable rotation player for the reasons mentioned above, but was doomed to be hated by fans of this city due to Skiles’ overreliance on him and Skiles’ asinine maneuver of yanking Gordon for Duhon every time BG made a mistake.

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by Jivas on Jul 6, 2008 10:15 PM CDT reply actions  

Yeah, you can't fault Duhon for Skiles' perpetual hard on for him

But, whatever, both of them can go to hell. I hope the Bulls beat the Bucks and Knicks by an average of 15 pionts a game.

by Ozzie Montana on Jul 6, 2008 10:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

LOL
He’s ‘ass first’. His most preferred style of play is to play like ass.

Classic.

by BNeL21 on Jul 6, 2008 10:15 PM CDT reply actions  

Oh, and to answer the question in your header

It’ll be Andres Nocioni, if he’s still on the team this coming year.

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by Jivas on Jul 6, 2008 10:18 PM CDT reply actions  

You'd think he'd have a leg up, having finished last season in second to Du,

but Matt seems to be giving Kirk a pretty good audition for the “rip on” position here lately. This could be one of the more exciting training camp battles this fall.

Larry Hughes is a solid dark horse though – don’t count him out if he ends up starting and/or getting 30 minutes a night. ;)

If nothing else, taking Rose will at least piss off Pat Riley.

by wjb1492 on Jul 6, 2008 10:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

NO way

Not happening. Did you not hear Paxson, we got BG, Kirk, Thabo, Rose and then we have hughes too! it was something like that…

by NamingRightsOnSale on Jul 7, 2008 5:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'd never heard this story before

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/2008/0/04/2008-07-04_chris_duhon_agrees_in_principle_to_twoye-1.html

Also, Duhon’s lifestyle concerned team officials, who felt that the 25-year-old enjoyed the nightlife too much. When Duhon played at Duke, he would often sleep at the house of coach Mike Krzyzewski to prevent him from staying out late.

Yeah, let’s hand that guy a big contract in the biggest city in the country. Nothing can go wrong there.

by Big D on Jul 6, 2008 11:33 PM CDT reply actions  

I think

Shane Battier slept over Coach K’s for different reasons.

by JSlakov on Jul 7, 2008 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

Ha!

On Behalf of Sue, Wjb, Bullshooter, and all the other Hinrich fans...Ill keep the Hinrich Hope coming...There will be light....

by piccolomair on Jul 7, 2008 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

this post makes me think about

how different the playing times COULD/SHOULD change with our new coach.

I think having fired Skiles on Xmas points to Paxson’s commitment to our young guys.

actions speak louder then words.

throw in his coaching staff moves…...

actions.

by gman2849 on Jul 7, 2008 12:10 AM CDT reply actions  

just to answer the title

Andres Nocioni seems like the winner

I vote for Thomas to play, play more and play regularly.-Sam Smith

by tyrus4prez on Jul 7, 2008 1:48 PM CDT reply actions  

Larry Hughes. . .

insanely overpaid + terrible shot selection = Blog-A-Bull’s new whipping post

by ChiCity85 on Jul 7, 2008 1:58 PM CDT reply actions  

The funny thing is

Chris Duhon basically outplayed Ben Gordon last year. However, on here…everyone is praising Ben Gordon while hating on Chris Duhon. Yes, Gordon has more potential and has a history of contributing better than Duhon…but last year he was horrid and got outplayed by Duhon. It just goes to show that pretty much what the majority cares about is a sweet jumper and that’s it.

by Parrotman on Jul 7, 2008 2:01 PM CDT reply actions  

Yep you're right

Orrrrrrrrrrrrr the fact that the Bulls already have 2 PG’s who are better than Duhon, one who was the 1st overall pick in the draft. Duhon is irrelevant, and the fact that the Knicks gave him the full MLE is comical.

by Ozzie Montana on Jul 7, 2008 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Umm

what in the world do the Bulls point guards have anything to do with Chris Duhon as a player? This isn’t about how Chris Duhon fits on the Bulls…it’s about how ridiculous that one guard who did terrible gets praised…while another guard who did better gets ridiculed.

by Parrotman on Jul 7, 2008 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

you're perfectly entitled to think that Duhon is better than Gordon

I, in turn, think that’s stupid.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 7, 2008 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Saying Duhon did better than Gordon last season

Isn’t the same as saying Duhon is better than Gordon…since Gordon was better the previous 2 years. However, anyone who didn’t see how badly the team did with Gordon on the floor last year is stupid

by Parrotman on Jul 7, 2008 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Gordon did terrible?

Did we watch the same season? He wasn’t as good as in previous years, but he was by far our best scorer. Duhon’s 3-6 points a game isn’t going to win us games. The rest of his stats were nothing to get excited about either. Duhon was given minutes to show us what he was capable of. And he did. And he is leaving because he just isn’t that good.

Everything I post is speculation. I have no insider information nor ideas deemed concrete enough by those who are self-elected to regulate post content.

by cranscape on Jul 7, 2008 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

It was so bad last season

that practically everytime the other team went on a huge offensive run you were guaranteed to see Gordon on the court. Here’s a breakdown on the impact “our best scorer by far” had on the games:

Offense: On court: 105.5 Off court: 104.7
Defense: On court: 111.9 Off court: 103.4

On the other hand…Mr. 3 to 6 points Duhon:
Offense: On court: 105.0 Off court: 105.3
Defense: On court: 107.0 Offcourt: 109.1

Clearly this team would have been lost without Gordon’s explosive offensive potential last year….

by Parrotman on Jul 7, 2008 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes it's Gordon's fault for the team's shitty play last year

Christ, how many times must we go through this. You can’t blame last season on just a single player. They were all terrible, mismanaged, horribly coached. Gordon is at his best when the team was running their drive and kick offense well. If the other 4 players are just going through the motions, what the hell is Gordon supposed to do?

by Ozzie Montana on Jul 7, 2008 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh I get it

It’s pure coincidence that whenever Gordon is on the court the team’s defense suffered much much worse than when anyone else is on the court. I love how people just want to sweep this under the rug.

by Parrotman on Jul 7, 2008 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

It matters

Because who cares what Duhon did last year, it became irrelevant when they drafted Rose.

Ben Gordon isn’t getting that much praise on this site. There are tons of people who wish to see him gone, and most who like him acknowledge he is a flawed player. Yet, I’d take Gordon and his defensive deficiencies(aka he is small) over Duhon’s mediocrity in every facet of the game.

by Ozzie Montana on Jul 7, 2008 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

well let's see

If Duhon is now irrelevant because Rose is drafted…then there wouldn’t be criticism about his game to respond to is there?

by Parrotman on Jul 7, 2008 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

oh and..

If Duhon is mediocre at every facet of the game…Gordon is terrible at every facet of the game besides shooting

by Parrotman on Jul 7, 2008 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Scoring?

Boston showed in the finals…good defense beats good offense. Guess which one Gordon isn’t good at?

by Parrotman on Jul 7, 2008 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Did the Celtics not score at all?

I’m fairly certain the Celtics boasted 3 All-Stars who are capable of getting their own shot and catching fire at any point in the game. That, coupled with defense wins a title, not amazing defense and a mediocre to bad offense. That’s why the Bulls have gone nowhere the past 4 years.

by Ozzie Montana on Jul 7, 2008 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Celtics

was a defensive team that could score…yes they were good at both…that’s how they won the championship…but they were better defensively than they were offensively. The Lakers were better offensively than they were defensively.

by Parrotman on Jul 7, 2008 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Celtics were GREAT defensively

I fail to see how Chris Duhon offers that much of an upgrade defensively over Ben Gordon. If Rajon Rondo were on this team, then your argument would make sense. With Duhon, it doesn’t.

by Ozzie Montana on Jul 7, 2008 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

let's see

one is the worst defensive player on the team…one is an above average defensive point guard….I don’t see much of a difference at all

by Parrotman on Jul 7, 2008 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

stop digging.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 7, 2008 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

you mean

stop having an opinion that differs from your own?

by Parrotman on Jul 7, 2008 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

What is your opinion?

You do realize that a ton of people dislike Ben Gordon? That his deficiencies have been covered ad nauseam, and there’s a good contingent of people on this site that prefer Kirk to start at the 2?

Your opinion that Duhon was better than Gordon last season is irrelevant. Duhon is gone. Why don’t we talk about how good Joe Smith was last season?

by Ozzie Montana on Jul 7, 2008 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Didn't I already answer this for you?

I’m responding to the people that make Duhon relevant

by Parrotman on Jul 7, 2008 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Duhon overrated by Knicks, underrated by Bulls

Name me a better backup point guard in the league last year. Jose Calderon was in a class by himself when he didn’t start, but he’s the starter now so I can only think of two: Luke Ridnour (demoted) and Jordan Farmar.

Chris Duhon is a top 3 backup NBA point guard. Maybe if lottery pick Kirk Hinrich didn’t play so shitty last year, Duhon wouldn’t have had to play so much. So like Matt pointed out, it wasn’t entirely his fault.

Come on now people, how good do you expect a 2nd round overachiever to be? He’s going to be exposed even more as a starter, especially since he’s passing to crappier players. But overall he was solid as the Bulls backup PG and he was taken for granted the last couple of years.

Rose '08

by Orange Juice on Jul 7, 2008 2:30 PM CDT reply actions  

we go through this about once a month

there’s about a dozen better backups than Duhon.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 7, 2008 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Kirk Hinrich is one!

::cracks self up::

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 7, 2008 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

name them!

Hinrich doesn’t count! but he would be a hell of a backup and if that miraculously happens, how would it be possible to criticize him as a backup?

Rose '08

by Orange Juice on Jul 7, 2008 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

here

http://www.blogabull.com/2008/4/26/461061/we-need-a-true-pg#5522330

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 7, 2008 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't understand this

Duhon was a UFA, would you prefer we signed him to the full MLE so we could lock up a top 3 backup PG?

Duhon was an OK player, nothing more nothing less.So, why are we constantly arguing over such a “meh” player?

by Ozzie Montana on Jul 7, 2008 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks

I haven’t laughed this hard all summer. Duhon was a good second round pick. The frustrasting thing about him is that he got worse each year. Some of this may have been Skiles’ fault as he apparently told Du that if he wanted pt he could never take a shot or drive to the basket. Watching the Bulls on offense with Du and Wallace for extended periods was the most painful thing I’ve endured in 42 years as a Bulls’ fan.

by El Toro de Goro on Jul 7, 2008 3:51 PM CDT reply actions  

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