Nets thinking about Nocioni

by bull83 on Jul 4, 2008 7:59 AM CDT

Honestly, if the Nets want so much Lebron James, I don’t understand why they are considering trade for Nocioni. But still, the NJ.com is reporting that the Nets are thinking about getting Noce (please God, make it happen).

The Nets' payroll restrictions are a bit more flexible than agents were led to believe when the free-agent market opened.

For example, the Nets believe they still remain in the running for the likes of Eduardo Najera and Keyon Dooling -- two of the very few players they agree deserve three-year commitments -- but not so much for guys they think are worth only two (Mickael Pietrus, etc.).

"I don't think the two years is a hard and fast rule," one agent said yesterday, remaining anonymous so as not to hurt the Nets' ability to compete in the market. "And that's especially true if they can make a trade."

They are pursuing that as well, with Andres Nocioni being one of their primary targets. The veteran forward is available, GMs throughout the league confirm, for one reason: Chicago needs to slash payroll in order to give Luol Deng the $55-60 million to re-sign.

Though Nocioni has four more years left on his contract, the numbers descend (from $8.0M to $6.6M), and he could be a catalytic practice element the Nets need in their gym.

If it's true, they would make us a favor, because Noce's contract is bad for someone that isn't a starter. So, what could we get from the Nets if they really want to make this trade? Vince Carter, or do you think he’s like McGrady and he’s already OLD (31) for us?

Let’s speculate again…

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Well I know what Option's thinking...

Noc for Yi.

And Rose to Yi for the score!

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by MPG on Jul 4, 2008 8:11 AM CDT 0 recs

Hey, that actually is what I was thinking!

But the salaries don’t match.

by Option27 on Jul 4, 2008 12:22 PM CDT up 0 recs

i could care less what we get...

as long as we cut payroll.

I’m surprised the Nets want him honestly.

by swede2287 on Jul 4, 2008 9:56 AM CDT 0 recs

Dave D'Alessandro is normally pretty good, but...

Though Nocioni has four more years left on his contract, the numbers descend (from $8.0M to $6.6M), and he could be a catalytic practice element the Nets need in their gym.

That’s pretty dumb.

by hscs on Jul 4, 2008 10:33 AM CDT 0 recs

$6.6m is not gonna seem like a lot in 4 years for a spark off the bench, if that is still something that noc can be at that time.

the inflationary nature of contracts will be such that the only way you have starters making less than that is if they are rookies or sophomores. by 2011 there will be a lot of bench guys in the nba making that or more. the contract length is bad, but the structuring is actually very good.

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by MarketMaker on Jul 4, 2008 3:18 PM CDT up 0 recs

Krstic

This is the perfect opportunity to unload Noc and solve the problem of having no post scorer. Since the Nets have given up on Krstic the bulls should have them sign and trade him with a salary starting at $6.6M (The minimum to make a straight trade for Noc work under cap rules) and decreasing from there. The bulls would have a forward and center rotation of Deng, Thomas (i still truly believe that as soon as that jumpshot of Tyrus’s gets more consistant he can play some minutes at SF), Noah, Gooden and Krstic.

by smashbrickley on Jul 4, 2008 10:47 AM CDT 0 recs

Bingo!

I’d love to add Krstic if he’s back to being healthy; he doesn’t rebound that well, but he’d be the interior scorer that we’d be looking for. It would need to preface a separate deal of Drew Gooden, since there wouldn’t be enough minutes to go around otherwise.

(I should note that I pretty strongly disagree on TT playing minutes at the 3, as discussed on other threads.)

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by Jivas on Jul 4, 2008 12:49 PM CDT up 0 recs

I don't think the Nets have Kristic's rights anymore, which means he's not theirs to trade.

by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 4, 2008 3:51 PM CDT up 0 recs

I believe you are correct!

by chgobr on Jul 4, 2008 3:55 PM CDT up 0 recs

Interesting

I had read somewhere – I thought it was Chad Ford – that the Nets could still sign-and-trade Krstic, but I could certainly be wrong here.

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by Jivas on Jul 4, 2008 4:42 PM CDT up 0 recs

Stromile Swift and Maurice Ager

Have expiring contracts of 6.2 and 1, respectively. I imagine we could buyout Ager to keep the roster spot and then use Swift’s contract as trade bait.

by The90sBullsRevival on Jul 4, 2008 11:26 AM CDT 0 recs

That would work too!

I’d be happy to be free of Noce’s contract in and of itself – I’m sure we could get a 2nd round pick or two to compensate for the loss of picks in the Asik trade.

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by Jivas on Jul 4, 2008 12:50 PM CDT up 0 recs

Noce is underrated

I am not against a trade if it helps us get a post player but why people pick so much. He is a great sixth man for the bulls and a much better defender than posey, for instance. His numbers match with tyshaun prince. He’s been playing too much out of his position (3) which hurt his numbers but still it would absurd trade him for nothing.
There is a bunch of teams where maybe Noce could be a STARTER considering who they have for the position: Nets, Grizzlies, TWolves, Hornets, Raptors, Knicks, Clippers (now without magette) and of course, the Lakers

by JustAnotherFan on Jul 4, 2008 2:44 PM CDT up 0 recs

You just compared Noce to Tayshaun Prince and James Posey?

I would take both of them in a heartbeat over Nocioni.

by Ozzie Montana on Jul 4, 2008 2:57 PM CDT up 0 recs

I hear your point But

I could NEVER allow Psy into a bulls uniform. Plus he was overrated this year because of team he played with.

by gman2849 on Jul 4, 2008 6:39 PM CDT up 0 recs

He wasn't overrated on Miami

He did the same things for both teams, he just got more credit this season.

by Ozzie Montana on Jul 4, 2008 6:58 PM CDT up 0 recs

He played with a couple of all stars

there as well. which makes me believe his skills are overrated. Maybe he would be that good on a team without all stars.

by gman2849 on Jul 4, 2008 8:31 PM CDT up 0 recs

You can play good defense anywhere, not just with superstars

Noce doesn’t play defense, ergo his play is very exasperating. His good traits only come out when the team is winning, so if they suck, he sucks.

by Ozzie Montana on Jul 4, 2008 8:39 PM CDT up 0 recs

Also I'd hate him less if he wasn't signed to such a stupid contract.

by Ozzie Montana on Jul 4, 2008 8:39 PM CDT up 0 recs

I think this point hits home...

There’s a lot to like about Nocioni…mainly that he puts 100% effort on the court at all times. He never takes a play off and though he’s reckless at times, you never have to worry that he’s not passionate about winning.

But…you give him a fat salary like he has, and now he has a whole new set of expectations to live up to. I’d hate to see him go because he does a lot of things every team needs, but I agree, if you can package him in a deal to get a legit post scorer, you have to do it.

by POSEYHATER on Jul 5, 2008 12:15 PM CDT up 0 recs

I understand Ozzie

What I mean is that his contract is heavy for the bulls because he is a bench player. But he would fit other teams in the starting lineup. So there is good trade opportunity. Beside his contract is lower each year (biggest checks payed up front)

by JustAnotherFan on Jul 5, 2008 12:39 PM CDT up 0 recs

Me neither but still half the league is after him

by JustAnotherFan on Jul 5, 2008 12:36 PM CDT up 0 recs

HOW IS NOCE underrated

he came in the leageu at 24 thats a grown ass man he suppose to do whatever it is you seem to like about him to do so much, he is just a flopper who is out of control wearing an iverson sleave lol

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by danny c on Jul 4, 2008 4:32 PM CDT up 0 recs

Matt is probably on vacation in Jersey and planted this to make his weekend

I’ve never been a big Kristic fan. I’d rather try to get a 1st round pick, even if it was lottery protected for 2009. I do not believe Jersey will make the playoffs and we might get lucky and get a decent pick in 2010 which would be a great chip to have. I would take S Swift only if we got a first round pick. I doubt Jersey would go for a fist round pick but you never know.

by chgobr on Jul 4, 2008 2:59 PM CDT 0 recs

Of course, but I went the route of making a simplistic, broad generalization

Works much better.

by Ozzie Montana on Jul 4, 2008 3:27 PM CDT up 0 recs

Noc is a quality

player. In the right system and his role clearly defined. This guy adds
real value. The Bulls and Paxson just make critical mistakes, especially
with his 6 year contract signing which cast him totally out of any favor with
chicago fans could have for him.

I hope he lands somewhere and the fans value him, in addition his contract
is getting better since we (Bulls) consume the first year (or two).

by exult463 on Jul 4, 2008 4:33 PM CDT 0 recs

I don't see how this trade will happen.

The only way to make the salaries match and make it something Jersey would want to do is if they traded Vince Carter + Stromile for Noc + Hughes. That would get them more salary relief in 2010 b/c Noc’s contract would be much smaller than Carter’s at that point for them. I don’t see Pax taking Carter, and I agree that’s the right move; he wouldn’t fit what we’re trying to do, and he’d hinder our financial situation much more than just keeping Hughes on the books for the next two years.

Alternatively, they could trade us Stromile or Bobby Simmons for Noc (with filler on either side to make the numbers work), but I don’t know why they would want to unless they really think Noc could be part of their rebuilding plan. His contract is longer than either of those guys, so it hurts in 2010 more than just letting either of them come off the books. Plus, he’s older. I don’t get it. From our perspective, I think we do it for either Simmons or Stromile. If Stromile, we give him some run as a back-up and maybe he shows us something, or use him as an expiring chip this year toward the deadline to help reshape the roster. If Simmons, we pay the tax for a couple of years (after resigning Deng and Gordon), but in two years both he and Hughes come off the books. If we’ve traded Hinrich by then, we’re looking at some nice cap space ourselves (not LeBron-level space, but there will be other pickings that summer too).

by arjoseph on Jul 4, 2008 5:02 PM CDT 0 recs

who do the nets have that would help our team?

vince is soft and everyone else is wack. Oh, we could use brook lopez, but i debt that would happen.

by FUTURE12 on Jul 4, 2008 9:49 PM CDT 0 recs

"help" is not the right word, but maybe Bobby Simmons?

He has a bad contract ($10M a year), but unlike Noc, it’s for only 2 more seasons.

And, yes, I know he was a bust for Milwaukee …but he’s a great contract year player! ...which would only be 1 more season away !

Shorter years means more financial flexibility.

by KentuckyBullsFan on Jul 5, 2008 2:01 AM CDT 0 recs

JZ & LEBRON

They are going to hold on to Bobby’s contract. Like arjoseph said above if for some reason Paxson wanted Carter he could do Stromile & Vince for Hughes & Noce, but I also doubt that would happen. Simmons & Hughes contract would be 20 something million under the cap in 2010 for NJ. They would jump on that trade in a second – the Bulls would be asking for a first round pick.

by Jesse07 on Jul 5, 2008 9:34 AM CDT up 0 recs

The bulls have a nice team

it’s not great but is nice. Why sould we fill our roster with crap?

by JustAnotherFan on Jul 5, 2008 12:40 PM CDT up 0 recs

what a great way to cap the weekend

I will now dream of a Nocioni dump deal.

Look at it this way instead of getting hung-up on whatever trash the Nets send. Right now Noc’s minutes can be taken by Thomas and Sefolosha. So that’s a good trade.

Bulls ‘needs’ are backup Center and perhaps backup PG (some Hinrich insurance). Just take the Stro Show (expiring deal) and give him Aaron Gray’s minutes (and perhaps meal stipends). At worst, they can at least use Stromile as a ‘scared straight’ program for Tyrus Thomas as to how not to let your career turn out :)

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 6, 2008 11:01 PM CDT 0 recs