Gordon considering playing overseas

[From the FanShots. I do not endorse commenter mwtb's tough-guy talk. I am a big softie and want everyone overpaid and happy. -ed.]

Another negotiating ploy, no one's falling for it. I will laugh my @$$ off once the dollar starts to recover vs. the Euro.

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oh no

this is bad new for the bulls. now they have to take contrct talks with Gordon seriously because now there is a very strong possibilty that we could lose him for nothing

by Rose1 on Jul 28, 2008 4:24 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I really really really don't get the tough-guy talk

“I will laugh my ass off”. Oh hahaha. Ben Gordon is trying to get fairly compensated for his work, hi-larious.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 28, 2008 4:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

No that I think it's off-limits to find contract negotiations (or pretty much anything) funny

but why root against the team’s best players?

(Note: The Bulls cannot sign Monta Ellis for more. I looked into it)

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 28, 2008 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'm a big meanie

I just find it funny how players are citing the stronger Euro but what happens when the dollar starts rallying? Do they opt out of their contracts and try to come back over to the U.S.?

by messwiththebull on Jul 28, 2008 5:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

We're going to have a league of forex traders

by messwiththebull on Jul 28, 2008 5:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Dollar aint going nowhere...

but down. It might rally from time to time but not for a progloned period. So, you won’t be laughing anytime soon.

But this aint a economy blog….

by scottie33 on Jul 28, 2008 6:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

The dollar has a long way to go, bro.

The rate now is 1(EUR) to 1.5741 (USD) but the dollar’s value has only been declining since the euro’s banknotes were introduced in 2002. Remember the euro was initially thought to be equal to the dollar! Anyways, at the rate it’s going anyone truly interested in making bank has to consider this. Especially someone with a business acumen and european passport like BG.

It’s not even about the Euro’s strength, it’s about the dollar’s weakness… The dollar is making the peso look sexy right about now.

Anyone signing a contract right now will get alot of money, asap. Even if the dollar starts to recover tomorrow (or with a new administration) it will take a long while before it’s equal. By that point, the money’s been in the bank collecting interest for years….

by smash! on Jul 28, 2008 6:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

You know how a run is over when all the dumb money starts jumping on the bandwagon?

All these NBA players going long the Euro makes me want to short the hell out of it. All we need now is someone like Darius Miles saying he wants to be paid in Euros and then I’m going all in.

by messwiththebull on Jul 28, 2008 7:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I have no idea what your post means? :)

Dumb money starts jumping?
NBA players going long the Euro?
Want to short the hell out of it?
And where are you going “all in”?

by smash! on Jul 29, 2008 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Sorry

I’m going to leave non b-ball lingo where it belongs: in another forum.

by messwiththebull on Jul 29, 2008 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I just thought you were typing too fast and left out a few words...

I really wanted to know what you meant though:)

by smash! on Jul 29, 2008 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

This morning, the Euro has had its biggest decline vs. the dollar since 2004

by messwiththebull on Aug 8, 2008 7:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

smash! is right

and don’t forget their contracts are tax free!

by JustAnotherFan on Jul 28, 2008 10:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Not quite tax free...

Unless the club is paying them additional money to cover the taxes. If they retain American citizenship they still have to pay taxes just like the rest of us. The only difference is the form they use to file it.

by bosh on Jul 29, 2008 8:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I think that's actually what the clubs do

(but I don’t remember where I heard/read this.)

by potato0328 on Jul 29, 2008 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

they're getting short-term contracts

with opt outs. The bigger concern is if these billionaire Euro owners aren’t fudging their ability to pay.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 28, 2008 8:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Word is Ben Gordon is looking into a currency hedger

anyone on BaB interested? The only catch is that you have to come to work driving a BG7 car.

by messwiththebull on Jul 28, 2008 8:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

He was probably asked

if he would consider it.

"Definitely, it’s a possibility now with the euro being so strong,"

, that sounds like an answer to a question. What’s he supposed to say? No? it’s not a possibility? We all know he’s one of the best spoken players in the NBA. So to say that he is just saying it cause the EURO is better is dumb.

Do they opt out of their contracts and try to come back over to the U.S.?

Yes, I read somewhere that they have opt-out clauses after each year. So that is definitely possible.

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by Goostafer on Jul 29, 2008 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I don't mind if this is all bullshit

as long as it gets the Bulls braintrust to have some sort of urgency.

Then again, maybe I shouldn’t have forgotten how awful the coaching search went.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 28, 2008 4:41 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Rick Sund probably said the same thing

Pax damn well better take it seriously, even if it is a bluff. Shouldn’t they at least be pursuing sign-and-trade opportunities? If Gordon goes to Europe, that’s the worst possible scenario for the Bulls, because they’ll get no compensation. Gordon was the third freakin’ pick in the draft; you don’t let those guys go for nothing unless they’re complete busts.

by Big D on Jul 28, 2008 4:55 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Sund sounded like an idiot

saying afterwards something to the effect that he can only operate under the NBA’s rules, and since Childress wasn’t bid on by NBA teams he didn’t do anything wrong. Sadly, I expect similar mealy-mouthed crap from Pax/Reinsdorf.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 28, 2008 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

*expect it if Gordon left

I do not actually think Gordon’s leaving.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 28, 2008 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

"once the dollar starts to recover vs. the euro"

i guess hope springs eternal. i’ve been waiting for the dollar to recover so i can go to europe for 2 years. on vacation, not to play basketball…

by DangerMouse on Jul 28, 2008 5:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

dollar recovery will be staled indefinitely

after US government prints up 500 billion in new monopoly bills to bail-out freddy mac & fannie mae.
Euro money will continue to be attractive. I believe it will also begin to attract players a bit better than MLE, like Gordon.

Expect 1 euro = 2 dollars shortly. Now does that mean Childress contract becomes worth 40 million in US dollars? Gordon could sign a 2 year 20 million euro, potentially equaling 20 million annually in US dollar conversions.

If this is true, why wouldn’t he leave, after becoming a wealthy man, and then come back to the NBA two years later after being named Euro MVP?

by exult463 on Jul 28, 2008 8:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

"Expect 1 euro = 2 dollars shortly."

lol

by NBA Observer on Jul 29, 2008 7:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

"Shortly" is relative, but the growth towards this is hapening fast

http://finance.yahoo.com/currency/convert?from=EUR&to=USD&amt=1&t=5y

If you have a better investment steady growth tip, I’d be really interested..

by exult463 on Jul 29, 2008 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Even at 3 to 1

It’s like leaving a top company job for a start-up… and If Gordon really wants to go, I am not going to OVERPAY to keep him.

The NBA needs a cooler name for it's championship. Super Bowl, Stanley Cup, World Series... NBA Finals. bleh.

by Buso be Hacu on Jul 29, 2008 9:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Gordon and Deng

Cant give away our assets for nothing. We just can’t do it.

"It was shock. You almost feel you have three or four innings to play, but you go home." -- Alex "Mr. March" Rodriguez after losing to Mexico in the WBC

by haze on Jul 28, 2008 6:13 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Yes we can

History and economics says we can let them go, but better to find a way to increase their value for draft pick, or better overall player, or maybe they will elevate their games here. I just don’t feel they particularly neec to keep Gordon or Deng. Pay them what they’re worth for 3 years, okay. Pay them top dollar for 5-6 years, no.

The NBA needs a cooler name for it's championship. Super Bowl, Stanley Cup, World Series... NBA Finals. bleh.

by Buso be Hacu on Jul 29, 2008 9:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

this is ass talk...

nothing more

by masputo on Jul 28, 2008 6:26 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

hahahaha

someones pulling a ventura…....

by masputo on Jul 28, 2008 6:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

We all know you don't really want

everyone overpaid, Matt. ;)

If nothing else, taking Rose will at least piss off Pat Riley.

by wjb1492 on Jul 28, 2008 6:39 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I would like to work for Matt

by messwiththebull on Jul 28, 2008 7:28 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs

Unless you happen to be Nocioni

by paxson43 on Jul 28, 2008 7:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

heh

exactly.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 28, 2008 8:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

you couldn't work for me

as you don’t seem perceptive enough to get the facetiousness of my comment…

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 28, 2008 8:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I was being facetious as well

so I guess that means you couldn’t hire me. Duh-duh-DUH!

by messwiththebull on Jul 28, 2008 8:31 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I am terrible at hitting "reply"

back to the naughty corner I go.

by messwiththebull on Jul 28, 2008 8:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

fireable offense.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 28, 2008 9:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

And I'm considering moving to Berlin

But sadly, it’s just not gonna happen

by Option27 on Jul 28, 2008 8:34 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Really?

Where is that commenter here who kept insisting there are East German basketball players in the present tense. You could help him on his quest of finding basketball players from East Germany. I wouldn’t spend too much time on it though.

Everything I post is speculation. I have no insider information nor ideas deemed concrete enough by those who are self-elected to regulate post content.

by cranscape on Jul 28, 2008 8:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Why wouldn't BG play a season in Europe?

Ben wants, and deserves, more money than the Bulls are willing to offer. There aren’t many sign and trade options out there for Ben, no team has cap space to sign him outright at the money he wants, and he consistently says, so to speak, “the team has too many guards”.

Doesn’t this make BG a prime candidate to play in Europe? He can shoot and score. He’s an undersized SG, but these players are well represented in Europe. They won’t play the tempo Ben prefers, but he would be able to create his shot the way he likes. He signs a similar deal to Childress with player options to leave after one season or two seasons to return to the NBA with a more attractive array of teams with cap space.

The Bulls will still own his rights, but if successful in Europe Ben can hold the option of returning to play there for as long as he wishes.

by NBA Observer on Jul 29, 2008 7:39 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

He could probably play point in Europe

though I’m not sure that’d re-endear him to NBA teams.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 29, 2008 9:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Okafor's deal should be the final nail that caps negotiations at $12m

I can’t see how D&G can argue that they should be paid more than Ellis an Okafor. $9m-$12m should be the high and low end, I’m thinking.

And I don’t think Ben could play point in Europe, Mars, or even in a bizarro world NBA. Remember those really bouncy superballs? That’s what it looks like BG is dribbling when he plays the point.

You know BG reads BaB. I’m pretty sure he does. Sorry about all the heat, Ben. I root for you when you’re in a Bulls uni.

by messwiththebull on Jul 29, 2008 9:14 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

yeah i can't imagine how they could get more.

I’m not a big okafor fan but….

deng and gordon can’t draw okafor-money…..he’s a double-double guy every year and we know how this league values those guys.

by swede2287 on Jul 29, 2008 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Just read a rumor we might be pursuing a trade for KRSTIC...

But that rumor won’t come to fruition.

He just signed a contract overseas for two years.

by swede2287 on Jul 29, 2008 10:05 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

It's already been reported in the Kristic fanshot

The Game chose him !

by Diabolo on Jul 29, 2008 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs

This seems to put an end to the guessing of what Deng/BG could be maxed out at

Okafor may not be a superstar, but he’s a legit double-double big man, and that’s quite valuable considering he’s only 25. Deng’s offer should max out at this same level, I can’t see how he doesn’t view it as fair considering what the other young talented players around the league have been netting.

I was a multiple time all star throughout my little league career. Won 5 championships- 4 in a row- thats more in a row than MJ… (kenwo4life@aol.com)

by Ozzie Montana on Jul 29, 2008 2:13 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

You have news it was offered to him this year? Or that he doesn't think that much is fair to him?

by tyger1147 on Jul 29, 2008 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Just speculating like the other 1000000 comments here

I (and it seems most management types) would rather pay 72 million to a solid big man, than a perimeter player. However, I still think 12 million a year for Deng is what he’s worth considering how the majority of us feel he will bounce back rather nicely from last season and possibly improve with Rose as a teammate.

Who knows what his agent has been telling him what is a “fair” offer from the Bulls. I think most would agree that anything in the 60-70 million range over 6 years is pretty levelheaded for a player of Deng’s talent.

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by Ozzie Montana on Jul 29, 2008 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Okay. Just making sure. So you think they were offered that much but didn't think it was fair?

That may be the case, as you said, we’re just speculating, but that’s not the feeling I’ve got at all.

by tyger1147 on Jul 29, 2008 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

More and more I'm thinking that D&G

do think those deals are fair but maybe the Bulls are indeed lowballing these two guys. Just from the articles that have come out over the past few days and BG’s various interviews. I think BG really wants to resign and would jump at last year’s deal in a heartbeat. I don’t know where Deng stands but he’s been pretty silent on the matter.

by messwiththebull on Jul 29, 2008 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

That's the speculation I've seen too.

It wouldn’t shock me, but I guess it’s all just speculation in the end.

by potato0328 on Jul 29, 2008 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

The difference is average-at-best years, and Rose

The 2006-08 Bulls have peaked. As far as the future goes, it is with Rose, and for the right deal, I am sure they would trade anybody else. This team is no longer centered around Luol Deng or Ben Gordon. I would gladly overpay them for 2 to 3 years, but I can’t sign them to big deals for more than what I think I can trade for what I need in the future.

The NBA needs a cooler name for it's championship. Super Bowl, Stanley Cup, World Series... NBA Finals. bleh.

by Buso be Hacu on Jul 29, 2008 10:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Gordon Thinks He Should Be the Highest Paid Bull

The Bulls remain far apart in negotiations with guard Ben Gordon, also a restricted free agent. Gordon’s agent, Raymond Brothers, has told the Bulls that Gordon should be the highest-paid player on the team because he has led the team in scoring each of the last three seasons.
The Bulls aren’t expected to guarantee up to $80 million over a maximum six years for Gordon, so if negotiations continue to stall, the sides might pursue a sign-and-trade deal. Gordon would have to approve such a move. Gordon also has strongly considered signing the team’s qualifying offer of $6.4 million for next season, after which he would be an unrestricted free agent. —Chicago Sun-Times

If this is true, then I am surprised. If Gordon’s agent believes that, then I think he has an unrealistic view of his client’s worth. Gordon wouldn’t garner any where near $80 million from anyone in the league, even not the team he’s been successful with.

by swede2287 on Jul 30, 2008 10:44 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs