Hold on to the guards. All of the guards.
At least for now.
Granted, this may be completely unwise. The Bulls have a glut of very good guards, guards who just a season ago were regarded as the talented core of a rising team. Kirk had just averaged 16 and 6 with 43% shooting from 3, and added a spot on the NBA's all-defensive second-team. Gordon had just averaged 21.5 ppg, and his fg%, assists and rebounds had risen each year he played. Led by these two guards, as well as Luol, they thrashed the defending champs in the playoffs and gave Detroit a run for their money in the second round. Then, last year, a combination of contract squabbling, selfish play, injuries and obscenely inept coaching derailed everything. Cats and dogs living together. Mass hysteria!
Now the Bulls have added a rare talent at point guard. Rare as in uncommon, but also rare as in raw. (wow that was awful. this is why there are professionals for sportswriting, no?)
I'll say point blank that I put more stock into a three year trend of good, improving play, than I put in one awful year: especially with all the confounding factors of coaching, contracts, and injuries. It's not either/or, of course. However: Kirk and Gordon can play at a very high level in this league, and I know this because I've seen it. I don't think it's inconciveable that they'll return to a level that, if it's not the same, is at least elevated from where they are. And in Gordon's case, playing with a penetrating, pass-first point like Rose may actually elevate his game. Even (gasp) to tropospheric Monte Ellis heights.
I want the season to open with a three guard rotation of Kirk, Gordon and Rose. Thabo and LH will have to ride the pine for awhile. Here's why:
1) Every potential trade out there stinks. There's nothing at present that makes sense for the Bulls. Just look at the right column of our much enjoyed BaB. It's like a potential-trade graveyard. It's like Sam Smith's shoebox. Luckily, the season changes these things. "Contenders" start to blow; people get injured; player's stocks fluctuate. I believe our players' values will rise because I think they're going to have a stable coaching system, health, and (hopefully!) contracts. Then, when they've elevated NBA opinions (which are absurdly fickle), we can make a deal. For something that doesn't stink. But it doesn't make sense to deal just because of an unsightly glut of guards when...
2) Rose isn't ready to run the point alone. Or if he is ready, we shouldn't simply assume that he is. The kid is 19, possesses an exceptional handle, physical and mental attributes, and will be (I think) a top point guard in the next few years. Summer league doesn't mean much, granted. But what does strike me as apropos is his development at Memphis. It took time, not because he couldn't take over at the beginning of the season, but because the important thing from his (and I would argue, from an elite point guard's point of view) is facilitating team success. Getting everybody involved. And then you get yours, or take over, which is exactly what he was doing at season's end. I'm not sure we want to screw with this successful pattern by having him be the only point on our roster (ie don't trade Kirk). And I damn well want the dude at the end of those passes to be an elite shooter (ie don't trade Ben).
3) The best players should play. There's a lot of Thabo love on this site, and I've been guilty of it myself, but I'd like throw out the idea that he might be the fifth-best guard on our roster. For me he's lost the allure of the unknown, and whatever cred he got for spraying JoeJoe with silly string. He doesn't have elite lateral movement, which is why he isn't an elite defender, and his shot has the trajectory of a bullet. He can rebound, yes, but I'd rather my guards could actually handle the rock. And he's never produced more that Kirk, Ben, or even LH, who I hope never to see out of his warm-up uni. This isn't to say I wouldn't mind Thabo as a fourth guard/back up small forward. Which brings me to my final point...
4) Trade the players who ain't that good who can still be traded. And that means Noce. Somehow his gritty, flopping, gunning and grunting game still has value around the league. But I don't think he's near the caliber of Kirk or Ben, and he's getting up there in basketball years. (Someone should do a scale of human-years, basketball-years, and dog-years. We'd probably find out that Robert Horry played to the ripe old age of 100.) Anyhow, Noc is the only player on the Bulls whose value I see declining. His frenetic play is going to wear down his body, and frankly, I think he's one of the worst team defenders in basketball. God only knows why people think he can play D...but they do.
So that's my defense of inaction. Or at least, temporarily abated action. Rose, Hinrich and Gordon at guard. Deng and Sefo and sf. T2, Gooden and Noah down low. VDN lathering equal parts brilliantine and groovy vibe over it all.
Not great, but I could live with it.
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You've got a point with Thabo
He’s 24 already, so we can cross “Future Star Shooting Guard” off our lists.
There are a couple ways Thabo can improve though. 1) If he gets a jumpshot, he’s good enough defensively to start in this league. Bruce Bowen and Raja Bell did it and started for two of the best teams in the league. 2) Turn Thabo into a point guard, and he won’t need a jumpshot. He already has a decent handle, and at 6’7” he can see the whole floor. It might take a couple years for him to develop the vision and leadership it takes to star at that position, but Chauncey Billups managed to do it (not that Thabo is Billups).
Either way, I’d like to see Thabo get an increase in minutes this season. I could see him being one of the league’s best bench players for a long time, and it would be a shame to sit him another season when he’s still able to make strides.
I see your points with Thabo,
but how (or porappropriately, when) does he get his minutes. Assuming the Kirk/Ben is our starting backcourt, I think Rose being the first guard off the bench would be the best way to develop him. That would make Thabo the 4th “guard” in the rotation, which doesn’t bode well for accumulating minutes.
Granted, if Kirk or Ben isn’t around come the start of the season, Thabo shouldn’t have many issues getting backcourt minutes.
--Torch
Yeah, I assume someone will be moved before the season
If Gordon signs the QO, that’s $37 million tied up into just our PGs and SGs. If we extend him, we’re over $40 mil. I’d say there’s little chance the current roster sticks.
We need an angel to take Larry Hughes off our hands.
Unfortunately, Isiah Thomas and Billy King no longer have jobs. Any other ideas?
Larry Hughes riding the pine is just wishful thinking.
If you think K. Hinrich is starter caliber, then some could easily argue why Larry Hughes is the same. His handle, playmaking, and defense is solid- his shot is suspect. You can say pretty much all the same things for Kirk.
I think I (and we, I guess) just hate the "high-volume" aspect of Hughes.
Especially since the sole focus of our franchise should be on developing our young guys (and not letting Hughes take 25 shots away from them every game).
Kirk actually knows his shot is suspect.
Hughes thinks he’s Michael Jordan, and he is, but without the ability to play good basketball. He’s like if Jordan was as good at basketball as he was at baseball!
...
OK, that was a bit of an overstatement [maybe an understatement, now that I think about it] ... but he’s really, really bad. And he makes people that play with him worse. He’s like Duhon in the sense that he has a game a year or so where he shoots good, only that game is like 60%, and he shoots 20 times a game in all the games he’s off.
good stuff
but i still hear that larry will probably start. can we just start him and then win the tip, call a timeout and bring in gordon? and i like the idea of keeping kirk for all the reasons, and u gotta take in roe’s knee too. even though its not big, it could be some kind of problem in an 82 game.
"It is playoff time. Whoever responds and changes quicker is going to win four games and then go to the next round." - Toni K
Nice post
I think most of it makes alot of sense. I think Kirk/BG/Rose is a solid 3 man backcourt rotation with Thabo getting some minutes at the 2 if his defense is needed for certain matchups, but mainly being used a a backup 3. I don’t think Thabo will ever be more than a solid wing defensive specialist off the bench. I wonder what trading trading Noce gets us in return in a trade… maybe a backup big who can shoot and hopefully has a shorter contract? I do think dangling Kirk along with one of our young frontline guys should be looked into, but I don’t think it should be done unless it gets us a top tier frontline guy.
Thank you
at this point I don’t care what we get for Nocioni as long as it’s contract friendly and doesn’t demand a whole lotta minutes. Getting that top tier front line guy is what I’m all about. If Kirk produces at a relatively high level, we can do exactly that. At this point, Paxson’s main concern should be consolidating talent. We can’t do that in this market. But it almost always works out that, over the course of a season, those opportunities present themselves. And I’m talking about Detroit with Wallace, Laker with Gasol.
Will Pax make a move? I don’t know. I do believe, however, that he’ll try (and has tried).
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
You're right - if anyone goes before the season it should be Noc.
Plug in Thabo as the backup SF and that helps clear the guard logjam a bit. If Hughes is only given limited minutes, things could work out okay even with Kirk and BG both still around.
When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer
I wish we could just cut Hughes, give him a buyout.
Wonder if Paxson’s talked to him about it. I really don’t like the idea of hughes on this team, even though he’s better than Wallace and his contract clears in the magic summer of ‘10. We can give him limited minutes, like 0. He can get some minutes if every other guard gets injured!

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